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Mark Stapleton
03-22-2010, 12:08 AM
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25028.htm


The Dark Face of Jewish Nationalism
9/11 - The US Military Knows Israel Did It

Audio interview below

By Dr Alan Sabrosky



The differences between Jewish nationalism (Zionism) and that of other countries and cultures here I think are fourfold:

1. Zionism is a real witches' brew of xenophobia, racism, ultra-nationalism and militarism that places it way outside of a "mere" nationalist context — for example, when I was in Ireland (both parts) I saw no indication whatsoever that the Provisional Irish Republican Army or anyone else pressing for a united Ireland had a shred of design on shoving Protestants into camps or out of the country, although there may well have been a handful who thought that way — and goes far beyond the misery for others professed by the Nazis;

2. Zionism undermines civic loyalty among its adherents in other countries in a way that other nationalist movements (and even ultra-nationalist movements like Nazism) did not — e.g. a large majority of American Jews, including those who are not openly dual citizens, espouse a form of political bigamy called "dual loyalty" (to Israel and the US) that is every bit as dishonest as marital bigamy, attempts to finesse the precedence they give to Israel over the US (lots of Rahm Emanuels out there who served in the Israeli army but NOT in the US armed forces), and has absolutely no parallel in the sense of national or cultural identity espoused by any other definable ethnic or racial group in America — even the Nazi Bund in the US disappeared once Germany and the US went to war, with almost all of its members volunteering for the US armed forces;

3. The "enemy" of normal nationalist movements is the occupying power and perhaps its allies, and once independence is achieved, normal relations with the occupying power are truly the norm, but for Zionism almost everyone out there is an actual or potential enemy, differing only in proximity and placement on its very long list of enemies (which is now America's target list); and

4. Almost all nationalist movements (including the irredentist and secessionist variants) intend to create an independent state from a population in place or to reunite a separated people (like the Sudeten Germans in the 1930s) — it is very rare for it to include the wholesale displacement of another indigenous population, which is far more common of successful colonialist movements as in the US — and perhaps a reason why most Americans wouldn't care too much about what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians even if they DID know about it, is because that is no different than what Europeans in North America did to the Indians/Native Americans here in a longer and more low-tech fashion.


During the podcast, Dr. Sabrosky predicts the US will eventually go to war with Israel.

Magda Hassan
03-22-2010, 01:25 AM
During the podcast, Dr. Sabrosky predicts the US will eventually go to war with Israel.
That boggles the mind doesn't it? But on the other hand the US lives for war. Any where. Any time. Any one. The only part of the economy still working to any extent.

Ed J has been trying to contact Dr Sabrosky to get some more military references for the information in this article and podcast. I'm not sure if there has been a response as yet.

Ed Jewett
03-22-2010, 05:22 AM
Yes, I have been assembling the video/audio and text around this story/claim, and I did indeed write to a "last known" e-mail address for the doctor, a 10-year Marine veteran (Lt. Col. ?]. a graduate of the Army War College and a curriculum coordinator or something at the War College. I have had no response thus far and -- with this many hours gone -- I don't expect to get one. But he is a recent signatory to Patriots for 9/11 where you can find a bio and a statement. (See below.)

As has been pointed out in private conversations, it is certain that many in the US Military are: a) right wingers; b) Christians, sometimes of fundamentalist or evangelical type; c) of other type; d) of uncertain type; amnd e) of unknown type.

Tensions, both political and military, are currently high... on the psychological (Rahe) stress scale .. are probably at at least DefCon 4.

Similarly, I did also reach out to a known contact [someone who has been closely associated with high military officials for most of his long adult life, including most recently a former XO of a missile boomer] for affirmation and got it -- alas, non-attributable -- that the US military -- at the intel level -- is well-aware that 18 Arabs with boxcutters "run" by some fellow with a kidney illness living in a cave somewhere in the Hindu Kush could not have pulled off this event.

But you don't have had to have earned a doctorate from Harvard with a five-year billet in military intel as a G-2 to be able to figure this out.

Especially close to a decade after the fact...

Surely anyone in the military -- then, and now -- is going to play their cards very closely to their chests. There is too much at stake.

Here is what I have thus far:

US Department of Justice Asked to Regulate AIPAC as a Foreign Agent of the Israeli Government

WASHINGTON, March 17 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The US Department of Justice has been formally asked to begin regulating the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) as the foreign agent of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. A 392 page legal filing presented by a four person IRmep delegation in a two hour meeting with top officials of the Internal Security Section substantiated the following case for AIPAC's immediate registration:


AIPAC is a spinoff of an organization already ordered by the DOJ to register as an Israeli foreign agent. In November of 1962 the American Zionist Council was ordered by the Attorney General to begin filing disclosures as an Israeli foreign agent under the 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act. http://www.irmep.org/1962Order.pdf Six weeks later, former AZC employees incorporated the American Israel Public Affairs Committee in Washington, DC, taking over the AZC's lobbying activities. http://www.irmep.org/AIPAC.pdf AIPAC did not register as a foreign agent.
AIPAC's founder Isaiah L. Kenen was the chief information officer for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs in New York and for a time duly registered in that role. http://www.irmep.org/Kenen.pdf The Justice Department ordered Kenen to personally re-register after he formally left the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs to head up private lobbying and publicity for the Israeli government at the nonprofit American Zionist Council. Kenen never complied with the order. http://www.irmep.org/order.pdf
Espionage related FBI investigations in 1984 and 2005 reveal AIPAC's ongoing stealth foreign agency activities. Declassified FBI files released on the Internet last week reveal that in 1984 AIPAC and the Israeli Ministry of Economics were investigated for jointly obtaining and circulating classified US economic data to obtain favorable trade benefits for Israel. http://www.irmep.org/ila/economy In 2005 Pentagon Colonel Lawrence Franklin pled guilty and two AIPAC employees were indicted for obtaining and circulating classified US national defense information to Israeli government officials allegedly in the interest of fomenting US action against Iran.
AIPAC's executive committee consists of the original member organizations of the AZC in addition to newer members. The Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations, the umbrella group of AIPAC's executive committee, is housed in the same New York office as the World Zionist Organization – American Section, a registered foreign agent that is heavily involved in illegal settlement expansion according to Israeli prosecutor Thalia Sasson.

According to Grant F. Smith, director of IRmep, the case for reregulating AIPAC as a foreign agent immediately is compelling. "AIPAC was designed to supplant the American Zionist Council as the arm of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the United States after the DOJ ordered the AZC to register as a foreign agent. As such, Americans should have full public access to biannual FARA registrations detailing AIPAC's publicity campaigns, lobbying expenditures, funding flows, activities of its offices in Israel and internal consultations with its foreign principals - particularly over such controversial issues as illegal settlements and US foreign aid."
Concerned organizations and individuals who wish to supplement the Department of Justice filing or participate in future negotiations with law enforcement officials should contact the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy, Inc. at info@IRmep.org or 202-342-7325. IRmep is a private nonprofit that studies how warranted law enforcement and civil action can improve U.S. Middle East policy.
SOURCE Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy
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Planning for a Post-Israeli Warworld (http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/planning-for-a-post-israeli-warworld/)

or

http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/planning-for-a-post-israeli-warworld/

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Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former director of studies at the US Army War College says "The Military Knows Israel Did 9/11"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsWcQXr1Nk8

Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a graduate of the US Army War College. He can be contacted at docbrosk@comcast.net

Alan N. Sabrosky, PhD – Former Director of Studies, Strategic Studies Institute and holder of the General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research, U.S. Army War College. A Marine Corps Vietnam veteran with 10 years of service. Graduate of the U.S. Army War College. Teaching and research appointments have included the United States Military Academy, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), Middlebury College and Catholic University. While in government service, he held concurrent adjunct professorships at Georgetown University and the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS). Writer and consultant specializing in national and international security affairs, lecturing widely on defense and foreign affairs in the United States and abroad. His published work includes thirteen books or monographs and over one hundred forty articles, chapters and book reviews. Author, co-author, or editor of Prisoners of War: Nation States in the Modern Era (http://www.amazon.com/Prisoners-War-Nation-States-Modern-Era/dp/0669171417/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268849337&sr=8-1) (1990), The Recourse to War: An Appraisal of the "Weinberger Doctrine" (http://www.amazon.com/RECOURSE-WAR-APPRAISAL-WEINBERGER-DOCTRINE/dp/B001165WGE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268850023&sr=1-1) (1988), Alliances in U.S. Foreign Policy (http://www.amazon.com/Alliances-U-S-Foreign-Policy-Collective/dp/0813371953/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268849337&sr=8-2) (1988), The Strategic Dimension of Military Manpower (http://www.amazon.com/Strategic-Dimension-Military-Manpower/dp/088730155X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268849337&sr=8-3) (1987), Polarity and War: The Changing Structure of International Conflict (http://www.amazon.com/Polarity-War-Structure-International-Relations/dp/0813370000/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268849831&sr=8-2) (1985), Great Power Games: The Sino American Power Transition (http://www.amazon.com/Great-Power-Games-Transition-Monographs/dp/0930690133/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268849337&sr=8-6) (1982).


Essay "Treason, Betrayal and Deceit: 9/11 and Beyond" 9/10/09:

"The official 9/11 Commission's work and report were at best an incomplete exercise. Many people dismiss the findings of the Commission, and that includes its co-chairs [ Thomas Kean (http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/#Kean) and Lee Hamilton (http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/#Hamilton) ]. Many others who utterly distrust the 9/11 Commission report, dismiss the US Government’s explanation of it, and point to both an official cover-up and an “inside job,” include veteran fighter pilots, EMTs (Emergency Medical Technicians), air defense experts, experienced commercial pilots, demolition experts, architects and civil engineers – none of them professions that inherently attract and retain the gullible and credulous.

Several things are very clear to me from a careful assessment of both official and critical evaluations of the 9/11 attacks. First, the striking aircraft alone simply could not have brought down either of the two buildings in the manner in which they fell, much less a third building which was not hit by a plane (I expect the one intended to do that as a "cover" had ended up in that Pennsylvania field), given the available physical evidence and a wealth of expert testimony. This means the attackers had assistance on the ground, and it had to have been active before the attacks occurred: preparing buildings for controlled demolition is not something done haphazardly in the midst of chaos.

Second, only two intelligence agencies had the expertise, assets, access and political protection to execute 9/11 in the air and on the ground: our CIA and Israel's Mossad. Only one had the incentive, using the “who benefits” principle: Mossad. And that incentive dovetailed perfectly with the neo-con’s agenda and explicitly expressed need for a catalytic event to mobilize the American public for their wars, using American military power to destroy Israel’s enemies. Only the unexpected strength of the Iraqi resistance kept Syria and Iran from being attacked in the second Bush Administration. Thus, the evidential trail for 9/11 and the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq run from PNAC, AIPAC and their cohorts; through the mostly Jewish neo-cons in the Bush Administration; and back to the Israeli government. None of the denials and political machinations can alter that essential reality. Terms such as treason, betrayal and deceit do not overstate the case against them.

Finally, we need to take a hard look at why the mainstream media (MSM) have paid more attention to Sarah Palin’s wardrobe than they have to dissecting blatant falsehoods, discrepancies and inconsistencies in the US Government’s treatment of 9/11 and its aftermath. And the reason is that on this issue, all are on the same side, and the official line is the one they all prefer – “all” meaning the PNAC alumni who took over the Bush Administration’s national security apparatus and their counterparts in the Obama administration, AIPAC and the rest of the numerous Jewish PACs, the MSM owners and Israel." http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23460.htm


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Mullen asserted that he was open to a U.S. attack on Iran

By Alan Sabrosky

America's Titanic Rushes the Iceberg

A very strange thing must have happened to Admiral Michael Mullen, Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS), on his way to his recent talk at Washington's National Press Club.

He oddly asserted that Iran was indeed an "existential threat" to Israel (nice of the Israelis to have provided that sound bite), that he was open to a U.S. attack on Iran (which is no threat whatsoever to the U.S. ) to forestall that supposed danger to Israel, and that the attack "would also be incredibly destabilizing."

The thesis reviewed
In reality, only the anticipation of potentially catastrophic consequences is accurate. Regardless of what Arab governments do, the Arab street may explode. Iraq -- whose population, police and armed forces are largely Shia, and which now has good ties with Shia Iran -- could easily turn on the Americans in their midst, with gruesome consequences. Oil prices would skyrocket. And that is just for openers.

As for "existential threats," Israel certainly knows something about them, because that is precisely what Israel itself poses to Palestinians. But the idea that an Iran which might someday acquire a handful of crude nuclear weapons would somehow threaten the existence of Israel with its massive nuclear arsenal and American-designed air force surpasses lunacy. The Israelis know this. What they want is for the U.S. to remove their only surviving competitor in the region at America's own expense.

Moreover, Iran has not gone to war against its neighbors in modern times (Iraq invaded it in 1980). But Israel and the U.S. between them have gone to war and invaded other states on a variety of pretexts more than the rest of the world combined, since the end of the Second World War. Civil wars have been commonplace, but not international wars and cross-border interventions, which are visibly Israeli and American specialties.

The Face of Leadership?
Now, the fact that the good admiral sees nothing wrong with the U.S. going to war in the service of another country's interests is bad enough. But that he would do so knowing that a disaster of some sort could ensue defies belief. It is the equivalent of the captain of the SS Titanic being forewarned of an iceberg dead ahead, yet ordering the helmsman to hold his course and the engine room to increase the ship's speed.

I hope Mullen was simply parroting the script given him by the Pentagon's political leadership, which would be yet another strike against perpetuating civilian "amateur hour" in the national security process, just to keep the grave-diggers at America's military cemeteries gainfully employed. It would be more than painful to think he actually believed such nonsense, or lacked the character to refute it when he heard it.

We have been there before. One of the most compelling memories I have from the Vietnam War is the awareness (after the fact, I confess) of the abysmal arrogance and ignorance of most of the civilian so-called "leadership" in the Pentagon, compounded by the fact that not a single ranking general or admiral resigned in protest over what they knew in their professional hearts, minds and souls to be appallingly self-destructive and futile policies imposed on them by those superiors, and the President himself.

Beyond Arrogance and Ambition
A U.S. attack on Iran, alone (which Israel prefers) or in concert with Israel, would be the fourth misery in this decade directly attributable to assorted Israeli agencies, politicians and policies: the 9/11 attacks that set the whole train in motion, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and now potentially Iran. With "friends" like Israel, the U.S. will certainly not lack enemies.

Nothing much can be expected from the U.S. Congress in forestalling a war with Iran, and that is no surprise. As Israel's cheerleader and apologist, bought or blackmailed (or both), it is doing its legislative best to force a needless confrontation and lay the groundwork for an unnecessary and destructive war. Congress is simply a key part of the problem.

Nothing much can be expected from the White House either, which is more disappointing. Perhaps President Obama merely lacks courage. Perhaps he has no convictions, and his words in Cairo were as empty as his reservoir of courage. Or perhaps Rahm Emanuel and company have such influence over him that he cannot stand against them. He is simply not part of the solution.

Then there is the professional military, especially the flag officers on the JCS. They have the potential to make a difference, setting them above their Vietnam-era predecessors. A concerted public statement by the JCS that an Israeli-inspired US war with Iran is not in America's interest, and that they oppose a decision that would take America into yet another costly and destructive war, would expose this particular exercise beyond any ability of the mainstream media to suppress it.

It could also cost them their careers, especially if it averted this contrived war. And I understand the significance of that, having once taken a stand at a much lesser level and lost almost everything. I am also sensitive to the concept of obedience to authority embedded in our military.

But obedience does not entail subservience, especially subservience to the dictates of a foreign country and its American lobby. The precepts of "Duty, Honor, Country" ought to be paramount, and the flag of the country they are sworn to serve does not -- at least not yet -- include a Star of David.

If they understand this, and understand in their hearts and their minds that "America's Zionist Wars" are antithetical to those precepts and to the welfare of the American people, then they will take a public stand and help derail this train. Otherwise the next decade will make this one look remarkably good.

-- Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a graduate of the US Army War College. He can be contacted at docbrosk@comcast.net.


-- Middle East Online

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On Luttwak’s “Coup d'Etat: A Practical Handbook”

http://bahoowah.blogspot.com/2007/06/blondet-on-luttwaks-coup.html

Edward Luttwak, the well-known military expert, an adviser on National Security to Ronald Reagan, is an ultra-conservative and a militarist with known links to the CIA, to friends in the Pentagon, to the military-industrial complex and, naturally, to JINSA.

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The airfield at Newburgh?!

What do we know about it?

And now this…

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Synagogue-Bomb-Suspects-The-Feds-Put-Us-Up-to-It-88579537.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR2010031901779_pf.html


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WeAreChange named as “hate group” by Southern Poverty Law Center

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/826.html




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Pentagon vs. Israel?

posted by Robert Dreyfuss on 03/16/2010 @ 1:00pm
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/dreyfuss/541707/pentagon_vs_israel

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How Petraeus could swing thinking on Israel

His belated recognition that U.S. and Israeli interests aren't always intertwined has particular impact

By Andrew Bacevich (http://www.salon.com/author/andrew_bacevich/index.html)

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/03/17/bacevich_on_petraeus_israel/index.html



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The ADL targeting ….Gen. Petraeus?
Kelley Beaucar Vlahos, March 19, 2010

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2010/03/19/the-adl-targeting-gen-petraeus/

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Israel is Boss


http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=content/freedom-rider-israel-boss

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Friday, Mar 19, 2010 04:20 EDT
Rampant patriotism breaches on America's right

By Glenn Greenwald

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/03/19/treason/index.html

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“If anti-Semitism didn’t exist, Zionists would have to invent it.
And in many cases, that is precisely what they have done.”

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_5707.shtml

Magda Hassan
03-22-2010, 06:56 AM
Thanks for all that Ed. Lots to go through there. :beer:

Mark Stapleton
03-22-2010, 01:58 PM
Similarly, I did also reach out to a known contact [someone who has been closely associated with high military officials for most of his long adult life, including most recently a former XO of a missile boomer] for affirmation and got it -- alas, non-attributable -- that the US military -- at the intel level -- is well-aware that 18 Arabs with boxcutters "run" by some fellow with a kidney illness living in a cave somewhere in the Hindu Kush could not have pulled off this event.

But you don't have had to have earned a doctorate from Harvard with a five-year billet in military intel as a G-2 to be able to figure this out.




Reassuring and disturbing at the same time.

That was a hell of a post Ed.

The Sabrosky Youtube clip has already been pulled but there's other fascinating stuff there, Luttwak's 'Coup d'Etat' in particular. I think it can be more accurately traced to DP than 9/11 though. 9/11 was so over the top, I think they had to be already in control of all the levers to even consider it.

It seems like the west is now waking up to the elephant in the living room and the MSM can't stop the momentum. But we'll see.......

David Guyatt
03-22-2010, 03:14 PM
Good stuff Ed.


Second, only two intelligence agencies had the expertise, assets, access and political protection to execute 9/11 in the air and on the ground: our CIA and Israel's Mossad. Only one had the incentive, using the “who benefits” principle: Mossad. And that incentive dovetailed perfectly with the neo-con’s agenda and explicitly expressed need for a catalytic event to mobilize the American public for their wars, using American military power to destroy Israel’s enemies. Only the unexpected strength of the Iraqi resistance kept Syria and Iran from being attacked in the second Bush Administration. Thus, the evidential trail for 9/11 and the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq run from PNAC, AIPAC and their cohorts; through the mostly Jewish neo-cons in the Bush Administration; and back to the Israeli government. None of the denials and political machinations can alter that essential reality. Terms such as treason, betrayal and deceit do not overstate the case against them.

When two or more agendas collide action inevitably follows

Ed Jewett
03-23-2010, 04:08 AM
SABROSKY INTERVIEW TIES ISRAEL TO 9/11 (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/03/19/22329/)

by Gordon Duff (http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/gordonduff/)


http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ScreenHunter_17-Mar.-19-16.44-150x150.jpg (http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/sabrosky-interview-ties-israel-to-911/goldstone-report-omitted-us-guilt-in-israeli-war-crimes/)


DR ALAN SABROSKY, FORMER DIRECTOR OF STUDIES AT THE US ARMY WAR COLLEGE
“ISRAEL DID IT”
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
Meet Dr. Alan Sabrosky, a brave man, a USMC Vietnam vet, an American of Jewish ancestry and someone devoted to the security of the United States at any cost. Ask any Jew what it takes to stand up against the most powerful and ruthless group in the world, the Israeli lobby inside the United States.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMsdNl_13q4&feature=player_embedded


more about “SABROSKY INTERVIEW TIES ISRAEL TO 9/11 (http://vodpod.com/watch/3272312-the-military-knows-israel-did-911-pt1)“, posted with vodpod (http://vodpod.com/?r=wp)


Sabrosky has been calling for a new 9/11 investigation for some time. What makes him unique is that we have a Jew who can hardly be called “self-hating” or “anti-Semitic” or against Israel. He is consistent in everything he says. His point is that you are an American or you are an Israeli but you can’t be both, especially now with Zionism turning Israeli foreign policy into a “runaway train.” 9/11, as Sabrosky sees it was the watershed in a relationship between America and Israel that has gone from bad to unsurviveable, especially for America. He contents that AIPAC exercises near total control over the electoral process in America through the ability to outspend any other group and destroy anyone who stands against them.


The unwillingness of the US to stand with the international community on humanitarian and war crime issues where Israel is found in continual violation is, to Sabrosky, a critial issue. In discussion the US and her lack of support for the Goldstone Report, Sabrosky says:


US criticism of the HRC resolution should be disregarded, as Washington only parrots Israel’s wishes here…
… it might have been better to have included Goldstone’s condemnation of Hamas offenses as well, but it is legitimate as it stands for five reasons: (1) Israel committed the great majority of the violations; (2) Israel had an overwhelming preponderance of military power; (3) Palestinians suffered almost all of the death and destruction; (4) Israel has a long, sordid history of ignoring UN commissions and resolutions, and of attacking UN facilities and killing UN staff, as when the clearly marked UNRWA facility in Gaza was bombed; and (5) the HRC focus is properly on the actions of the oppressor (Israel) and not on those of the oppressed (the Palestinians).
Another is that it did not accord Israel the right of self-defense. But Israel’s claim to self-defense in its savaging of Gaza is specious, because Israel — like all occupiers and oppressors — has no inherent right of self-defense against its victims. Who, for instance, would have accepted Nazi Germany’s assertion that its brutal reprisals against the Czechs for their assassination of a Nazi commander named Reinhard Heydrich was an exercise in self-defense? No one, and no one should accept Israel’s claim, either.

A third is that holding Israel accountable for its actions will somehow endanger the Middle East peace process. But there is no peace process, simply meaningless discussions to the dead end (for Palestinians and the rest of the region) of Israeli hegemony, and under Netanyahu or any electable government in Israel, there is not and cannot be one. There will be an enforced peace imposed from outside of the Middle East, over the objections and obstruction of Israel, or there will be none at all.

ZIONISM AND ISRAELI NATIONALISM
This is how Sabrosky describes the nature of Jewish nationalism as described within the term we call “Zionism”:
The differences between Jewish nationalism (Zionism) and that of other countries and cultures here I think are fourfold:
1. Zionism is a real witches’ brew of xenophobia, racism, ultra-nationalism and militarism that places it way outside of a “mere” nationalist context — for example, when I was in Ireland (both parts) I saw no indication whatsoever that the Provisional Irish Republican Army or anyone else pressing for a united Ireland had a shred of design on shoving Protestants into camps or out of the country, although there may well have been a handful who thought that way — and goes far beyond the misery for others professed by the Nazis;
2. Zionism undermines civic loyalty among its adherents in other countries in a way that other nationalist movements (and even ultra-nationalist movements like Nazism) did not — e.g. a large majority of American Jews, including those who are not openly dual citizens, espouse a form of political bigamy called “dual loyalty” (to Israel and the US) that is every bit as dishonest as marital bigamy, attempts to finesse the precedence they give to Israel over the US (lots of Rahm Emanuels out there who served in the Israeli army but NOT in the US armed forces), and has absolutely no parallel in the sense of national or cultural identity espoused by any other definable ethnic or racial group in America — even the Nazi Bund in the US disappeared once Germany and the US went to war, with almost all of its members volunteering for the US armed forces;
3. The “enemy” of normal nationalist movements is the occupying power and perhaps its allies, and once independence is achieved, normal relations with the occupying power are truly the norm, but for Zionism almost everyone out there is an actual or potential enemy, differing only in proximity and placement on its very long list of enemies (which is now America’s target list); and
4. Almost all nationalist movements (including the irredentist and secessionist variants) intend to create an independent state from a population in place or to reunite a separated people (like the Sudeten Germans in the 1930s) — it is very rare for it to include the wholesale displacement of another indigenous population, which is far more common of successful colonialist movements as in the US — and perhaps a reason why most Americans wouldn’t care too much about what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians even if they DID know about it, is because that is no different than what Europeans in North America did to the Indians/Native Americans here in a longer and more low-tech fashion.

Sabrosky is one of the few Americans who sees the nuclear threat of Israel as it is, blackmailing the United States, not only in how it could be used to draw America into an unwanted war, but how it could actually be used at some point to attack the United States itself. Only recently, Israel put Western Europe on notice that it would be attacked if its actions threatened Israel, attacked by nuclear weaons from Israel without warning. Martin van Creveld’s threat combined with Sabrosky’s analysis of Israeli intentions and culpability for 9/11 brings to mind something Sabrosky had once written.


He has always seen Moshe Dyan as a hero. Dyan saw Israel’s military role as that of a “junk yard dog,” ready to bite without warning, attack anything and anyone. Sabrosky notes that, eventually such an animal is always put down or as he puts it, ”the preferred response of everyone else is to kill that mad dog before it can decide to go berserk and bite.”

9/11
Sabrosky makes a case, not just for a coverup of 9/11 but goes much further. He points out as do so many that the physics of the attack are unworkable. He, however, is one of the few to point to a conclusion many find obvious but few have the nerve to admit, that it would have been impossible to stage 9/11 without the full resources of both the CIA and Mossad and that 9/11 served the interests of both agencies quite well.
There was nothing they could have wished for more.


Sabrosky (http://911falseflagarchive.blogspot.com/2010/03/dr-alan-sabrosky-former-director-of_19.html) also makes a point involving media coverage of 9/11:
Finally, we need to take a hard look at why the mainstream media (MSM) have paid more attention to Sarah Palin’s wardrobe than they have to dissecting blatant falsehoods, discrepancies and inconsistencies in the US Government’s treatment of 9/11 and its aftermath.

ZIONISM AND TREASON
The inescapable point isnt the 60,000 Americans killed or wounded in a war started out of treason or the world it threatens to destroy. Americans have been looking away from these glaring realities the way they looked away from Vietnam. Sabrosky leaves Israel and her American Jewish supporters who he sees as traitors with a warning:


If these Americans and those like them ever fully understand just how much of their suffering — and the suffering we have inflicted on others — is properly laid on the doorsteps of Israel and its advocates in America, they will sweep aside those in politics, the press and the pulpits alike whose lies and disloyalty brought this about and concealed it from them. They may well leave Israel looking like Carthage after the Romans finished with it. It will be Israel’s own great fault.

Do we take Sabrosky seriously because he is a Marine or a Jew? Do we wonder why the things he says reach so few? Is American in a shooting war where our biggest enemy sits behind us, killing us off, robbing us blind and whispering gently in our ears how much they love us?


It would seem so.


http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/sabrosky-interview-ties-israel-to-911/

Ed Jewett
03-23-2010, 04:11 AM
Note that there are three more additional "parts" on the YouTube series ...

Helen Reyes
03-23-2010, 02:30 PM
Ed Jewett: if you are seeking this man for an interview you might try:

http://www.123people.at/s/alan+sabrosky/united+states

If you know where he lives you can narrow the search down. It might not give you his email but it might, and you might be able to get a street address and then call information to get his home phone.

I listened to his interview on Ugly Truth podcast last night. My impression is he didn't offer any evidence he has for calling 911 a Mossad operation, although he might have some. All I heard was bluster. You might be able to get more contact details through the Army War College.

Ed Jewett
03-23-2010, 08:49 PM
Thanks, Helen. I did not get a "mailerdaemon" on the sending of my e-mail, so I believe I have an accurate address, one that was repeated in several recent article taglines as his "contact". I may continue to make an effort, but I suspect at the moment he is inundated with work, inquiries, etc. His commentary is suddenly widely available, and he appears to have set aside material in preparation for a "blitz" or he is quite prolific.

What I was after was not "evidence" but some better sense of his comment about "the military" knows...

Who? Retired petty officers and Marine corporals? I was hoping he'd have leads to articles by leading currently-active or "influential" military leaders. Such information -- to the extent that it exists -- would be very interesting in terms of military affairs, US politics, and foreign policy. Some of that has been posted and shows appropriately-careful wording. Furthermore, there are web sites [Patriots for 9/11 Truth] that lists hundreds if not thousands names of people within the US government, military, foreign service, intel fields and other disciplines who are calling for a new investigation.

As for evidence, that is widely available in some corners where it has not been buried under a blizzard of counter-propaganda or the typical hasbara brigade flurry of counter-charges et al. Israeli/Zionist methods, technologies, ownership and management roles, are spread across the event. Let me be clear that I do not think Israel or the Mossad did this alone; neither do I think that certain limited US people did this alone.

This "evidence' -- recognizing that it cannot be called evidence until it is examined closely by a range of people from various disciplines, under certain rules of procedure and evidence and so on ... hey, there are JFK veterans here by the dozens ... or in some formal "court" of inquiry. The 9/11 Commission and its post-adjunct efforts haven't begun any such examination.

But if you need someone to post up a range of "exhibits", that can certainly be done.

What logical extrusions were possible would then be open to those here at "Deep Politics".

Ed Jewett
03-26-2010, 07:08 PM
Following on with the Sabrosky watch -- because it indeed is a curious issue in the midst of a lot of international events and posturing, and because I do not wish to be (or be seen as) a "hit-and-run" commentator, and because the implications of the entire enchilada are so gravid -- here is more "stuff".

As said earlier, there is a lot to wade through. I have shortened up the content of the first article, using excerpts only, in order to save bandwidth and the reader's eyes. But please click through the link and read the whole thing as it suits your interest....

Alexander Cockburn – Counter Punch March 19-21, 2010

"... Is there really a crisis in US-Israeli relations? Yes and No. Yes, because the world’s premier power doesn’t care to have its vice president publicly humiliated by a midget of a nation whose entire population is smaller than that of Los Angeles county. No, because the elected politicians nominally running the government of the world’s premier power live in mortal fear of the Israel lobby in the United States. This time, as always, No will carry the day. (You can find a detailed narrative (http://www.counterpunch.org/blankfort03192010.html) by Jeffrey Blankfort on this site today, from which much of this Diary is drawn.)"

"... as Stephen Green wrote in "Taking Sides: America's Secret Relations with Militant Israel" (Morrow, 1984) a quarter century ago, "Since 1953, Israel, and friends of Israel in America, have determined the broad outlines of US policy in the region. It has been left to American presidents to implement that policy, with varying degrees of enthusiasm, and to deal with tactical issues."

There are powerful forces in America that wish that this was not so, starting with the US military....."

Obama has harmed his image in the Muslim world and mortgaged his future - if and when he is elected president… If he sticks to them, once elected, he will be obliged to say, as far as peace between the two peoples of this country is concerned: ‘No, I can't!’

So yes, the crisis will soon be over, and no, there is no new era in US-Israel relations in the offing.
Source: www.counterpunch.org/cockburn03192010.html (http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn03192010.html)

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=12375


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"... what are SPLC's directors Morris Dees and Joseph Levin really worried about here[?]. We Are Change is simply an organization that wants a real investigation into 911. No sign of hate that I could see on their website. And why did former Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff suggest that the questioning of 911 truth was akin to holocaust denial [?]. Or how about Obama advisor Cass Sunstein? The Harvard professor who produced a paper that would call for the "cognitive infiltration" of 911 conspiracy groups. Could these guys have figured out like many of the rest of us that all roads to 911 truth lead to Tel Aviv[?]. Is there a conspiracy of treason among the supporters of Apartheid Israel in this country? It is beginning to look like it.

http://homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com/2010/03/southern-poverty-law-centeranother.html?zx=6ae2071d4dc13959

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““I can, I can tell you that I have heard the same thing from the directors of national intelligence agencies who’ve told me this in confidence to the extent that, I won’t say who they are, but I’ve been assured that they know and they can prove that Israel did it [9/11]. But of course what do you do when we can have this discussion about the Main Stream Media or Zionism…you know I mean uh when fact has to be certified by a news media that is owned or controlled by people who work directly for the Israeli government inside the U.S. then there will be no truth.”

““The underwear-bomber in Detroit was totally dropped on Israel’s door. Abdulmutallab’s Dad was not a banker out of Nigeria, he was a partner with the Mossad in the national defense industry. When the kid went to Yemen, he joined an organization run by two al Qaeda members who had just been released on the signature of Dick Cheney from Gitmo. Uh, the Yemeni government has proof and it has certainly offered the United States that the al Qaeda cell in Yemen is being operated out of Tel Aviv. The young gentlemen flew into Aregano where the government’s chief of security is one of my friends. I also deal with the Algerian government so I was able to track his movements through there. He arrived in Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam. With all the endless lies that went around. The endless lies. He had no passport and was wearing jeans and a tee shirt. He told authorities that he was from Sudan and he wanted to get on a plane to the U.S. In view of two American attornies, he was walked into a back room, out another door, and down a pilot runway by an employee of an Israeli security company. Within ten minutes he was walked onto a plane….”

“…if a population in a free democratic country is chronically misinformed by their news, systematically and chronically misinformed, and if they don’t have adequate information to make decisions, then they’re no longer a free people….”

Gordon Duff, Senior Editor of Veteranstoday.com
Gordon can be reached at: gpduf@aol.com

http://the-new-american-republic.blogspot.com/2010/03/global-national-intelligence-services.html

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Israeli Intelligence, Our Constant Companion

By Jeff Stein

March 25, 2010 "Washington Post (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/03/israeli_spies_our_constant_com.html)"

“...another of Mossad’s reason for being, as with all the world's spy services, is to make sure friends are really friends.
And judging by once sensitive FBI documents making the rounds in recent days, the Israelis have been at this task in Washington for a very long time.
The 21 documents, obtained by Grant F. Smith (http://www.amazon.com/Grant-F.-Smith/e/B001JRXLHM), a Washington, D.C. author who has made a career out of writing critical books on Israeli spying and lobbying, detail the FBI’s investigation into the theft of a confidential U.S. document on the Reagan administration’s position going into the 1984 U.S.-Israel Free Trade Area Negotiations.
Acting on a complaint that the document was circulating on Capitol Hill, the FBI discovered that an Israeli diplomat had acquired the paper and given it to officials at AIPAC, the lobbying group whose annual convention drew both Netanyahu and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton this week.
Although the document was classified only “confidential” (as opposed to Secret, Top Secret and higher), the FBI concluded that President Reagan’s “negotiating position concerning a trade agreement between the United States and the State of Israel is compromised because this report divulges those products and industries that have been identified by the International Trade Commission as being the most sensitive to imports from Israel."
U.S. trade officials were furious at the discovery, “most angered by the fact that the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) had apparently attempted to influence members of Congress with the use of a purloined copy of the ITC report and had usurped their authority,” the FBI reported (http://irmep.org/ila/economy/06201984.pdf) at the time.
Its investigation quickly hit a brick wall, however, when the Israeli embassy official who handled the stolen goods, identified as then-Minister of Economics Dan Halpern by Grant Smith in his 2009 book “Spy Trade (http://irmep.org/st.htm),” claimed diplomatic immunity.
“He indicated that he received this information in his official capacity as a diplomat, and that it would be against the principals of diplomatic work to divulge any information pertaining to the identity of the individual who provided him the report," the FBI reported (http://irmep.org/ila/economy/03071986DHALERN.pdf).
Because the man claimed diplomatic immunity,"active investigation into this matter will be discontinued at WFO [Washington Field Office],” the FBI said. “Washington Field will be contacted by the USTR or the ITC if pertinent information is developed regarding this or similar incidents."
In his March 13, 1986 interview (http://www.irmep.org/ila/economy/FBI_Halpern_Transcript.pdf) with the FBI, Halpern said "he received this information in his official capacity as a diplomat and that it would be against the principles of diplomatic work to divulge any information on the identity of the individual who gave him the report."
In any event, he told the agents, the report was all over town, and that "the Government of Israel did not ask to receive the report and stated that when the individual provided him with the report, the transaction was not conducted in a discreet or secretive manner."
Halpern is now on the executive committee of the America-Israel Chamber of Commerce (http://www.americaisrael.org/) in New York and the co-CEO of Iftic, a private business consultancy, according to his listing there.
But the trade-spy flap was small potatoes compared the arrest 18 months later of Jonathan Pollard, (http://www.amazon.com/Capturing-Jonathan-Pollard-Notorious-American/dp/1591146526) the naval intelligence analyst who passed upwards of a million pages of classified documents to his Israeli handlers, according to court documents. Under a 1987 plea agreement, Pollard is serving a life sentence.
Since then, Israeli intelligence operations here have hardly slowed. In 2005, U.S. counterspies overheard Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., agreeing to help a suspected Israeli agent lobby the Justice Department to reduce espionage-related charges against two former AIPAC officials. Harman denied my account (http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=hsnews-000003098436&cpage=1) in Congressional Quarterly, which was subsequently corroborated (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/us/politics/21harman.html?_r=1&ref=politics) by major news organizations.”


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25070.htm

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Lt. General Robert G. Gard, Jr. (http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/about/staff/rgard/), Chairman of the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation, discusses Israel’s ability to drag the US into a war with Iran, the difficulty of destroying Iran’s Natanz nuclear facility even with bunker-busting bombs, Pentagon war games that exposed serious US vulnerabilities to Iranian retaliation, the need to vastly reduce the number of nuclear weapons in the US and Russia and why the aircraft carrier-based US Navy is becoming obsolete.
MP3 here (http://scotthorton.org/radio/10_03_24_gard.mp3). (36:55)
Lt. General Robert G. Gard, Jr. is Chairman of the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation (http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/) where his policy work focuses on nuclear nonproliferation, missile defense, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, military policy, nuclear terrorism, and other national security issues.

http://scotthorton.org/radio/10_03_24_gard.mp3

http://antiwar.com/radio/


Articles referred to in the interview:

War game was fixed to ensure American victory, claims general

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/21/usa.julianborger

“How To Lose An Army” (William Lind)
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2006/dec/18/00022/

“Escalation dominance” is a widely-discussed term; Google for it. Here’s is one article from the first page of that Google search that has to do with nuclear strategies:

http://hem.passagen.se/replikant/nuclear_nightmare.htm

It is long, detailed, with many links, footnotes and references; a 24-page MS Word copy is available below.

Nuclear Weapon Effects Calculator

http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/nuclear_weapon_effects/nuclearwpneffctcalc.html (requires Java)

Helen Reyes
03-26-2010, 07:49 PM
Thanks, Helen. I did not get a "mailerdaemon" on the sending of my e-mail, so I believe I have an accurate address, one that was repeated in several recent article taglines as his "contact". I may continue to make an effort, but I suspect at the moment he is inundated with work, inquiries, etc. His commentary is suddenly widely available, and he appears to have set aside material in preparation for a "blitz" or he is quite prolific.

What I was after was not "evidence" but some better sense of his comment about "the military" knows...

Who? Retired petty officers and Marine corporals? I was hoping he'd have leads to articles by leading currently-active or "influential" military leaders. Such information -- to the extent that it exists -- would be very interesting in terms of military affairs, US politics, and foreign policy. Some of that has been posted and shows appropriately-careful wording. Furthermore, there are web sites [Patriots for 9/11 Truth] that lists hundreds if not thousands names of people within the US government, military, foreign service, intel fields and other disciplines who are calling for a new investigation.

As for evidence, that is widely available in some corners where it has not been buried under a blizzard of counter-propaganda or the typical hasbara brigade flurry of counter-charges et al. Israeli/Zionist methods, technologies, ownership and management roles, are spread across the event. Let me be clear that I do not think Israel or the Mossad did this alone; neither do I think that certain limited US people did this alone.

This "evidence' -- recognizing that it cannot be called evidence until it is examined closely by a range of people from various disciplines, under certain rules of procedure and evidence and so on ... hey, there are JFK veterans here by the dozens ... or in some formal "court" of inquiry. The 9/11 Commission and its post-adjunct efforts haven't begun any such examination.

But if you need someone to post up a range of "exhibits", that can certainly be done.

What logical extrusions were possible would then be open to those here at "Deep Politics".

I just didn't hear him mention a single thing, not art students, not vans, not Silverstein, not various companies involved at WTC, not warnings to employees not to come to work that day, not warnings to Netanyahu to stay off planes that day... What I heard was him saying the US could wipe Israel off the map and that Americans would make sure that happened were the truth known. Would they really? Would they really believe "The Jews did 9/11" and crank up another one of those patriotic just wars to turn Israel into waterfront property? Or is there a diversion going on to blame a country far away, one that undoubtedly does have a connexion to 9/11, so that Americans don't strike out and hit someone closer to home, say, military intelligence?

That's why I'm interested in his evidence, whether it's hearsay from higher ranking officers or something else more concrete doesn't really concern me that much at this point. I think, I'm guessing, that it's just a straight forward analysis: WTC7 proves it was staged because if WTC7 was rigged to go down, so were WTC1 and 2. It's a logical assumption. Then add Silverstein to it saying WTC7 was "pulled" and some of the circumstantial stories and decide Israel did it.

Interesting timing and I hope both sides start hurling mud about 9/11, but I don't think either will. 9/11 truth has levels of clearance for official clients, subplots within larger stories, several cover stories, and I'll be damned if I know where all the missing mass went and how, how the buildings were vaporized on live TV beyond the thermite and other cutting charges.

Ed Jewett
03-26-2010, 09:03 PM
Indeed, Helen, mysteries wrapped in enigma wrapped in plausible deniability wrapped in political posturing. This is why we do what we do in the dialogues about deep politics. Much of our difficulty is when it plays out in current time, not when we have the luxury of stepping back and examining things over time. I will assume that some of the 'evidence" you've postulated -- there is information available even beyond what you've mentioned -- is what is in the back of the fellow's mind -- as is the more certain facts and events surrounding the USS Liberty, espionage, etc. -- and he hints at knowledge at intel levels which may be lacking in credibility because of the recent records of "cooked" intel.

So we watch, and wait, and vet.

My personal orientation due to history and training tends to focus more on "news" than deep research. News-watching now is made more difficult because so much news is cooked, or contains honey pots and traps, that posting something, even 18-24 hours old and appearing in other places, can get one's fingers burned. So I tend to try to vet to some degree, employ my own internal "crap detector" (which is imperfect and challenged increasingly by the sophistication of the crap dealers).

Our task, I think, or my task, given my orientation to currency and news, is to put information out into the ether where minds such as those assembled here can discern, detect, and shoot down (or warn others about) the potency of the "nugget" in question.

As a child, I very much enjoyed playing the simulation game "Diplomacy" and went on to become deeply interested in such multi-player theoretical exercises that I have written professionally about the art and was employed in the design of a game that "played" out in accelerated process to depict a simulated week inside an hour of real time. The engine of that virtual exercise involved ascertaining hidden critical information from others in a setting in which each player wore as many as five to seven hats. As a child, it was difficult -- using the counter-culturist Bill Walton's answer as to why he had joined 'the establishment' by turning professional in basketball -- to "get a good game up" in which his skill (23 for 24 in an NCAA Final Four game -- would be challenged (and thus improved).

So our challenge in this day and age is to utilize our mental OODA loop as well as Walton played hoops and process the data at higher speeds. Why, when discrnment of deep politics in the case of JFK for example has taken decades, do we need to "be quick"? Because ICBM's fly at 7 kilometres per second or Mach 15 (if the data I saw is correct), and because close in-shore sea-launched missiles can arrive faster than many can read this thread (or perhaps even this post).

Ed Jewett
03-26-2010, 09:37 PM
Is General Petraeus Anti-Israel? (http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2010/03/is-general-petraeus-anti-israel.html)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PG3ew_iFi3A/S6v7umROh9I/AAAAAAAASfQ/j_GuMcU5guo/s400/photo1.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PG3ew_iFi3A/S6v7umROh9I/AAAAAAAASfQ/j_GuMcU5guo/s1600/photo1.jpg)

Gen. David Petraeus, commander of Multi-National Force-Iraq, has been nominated to head Central Command, a position which was held by Adm. William Fallon until his unexpected resignation in March.
M. SCOTT MAHASKEY / STAFF (http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/04/army_petraeus_centcom_042308/)

'I Didn't Say Israel Intransigent' -- Jerusalem Post

Petraeus phones IDF chief to reassure him comments spun out of context [video].

Gen. David Petraeus, commander of the US Military's Central Command (CENTCOM), telephoned IDF Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi on Wednesday night to reassure Israel that comments attributed to him regarding supposed Israeli intransigence were spun out of context.

Read more (http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=171814) ....
http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=171814

Update: From the Horse's Mouth: Petraeus on Israel (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/boot/265971) -- Max Boot, Commentary Magazine
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/in...php/boot/265971 (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/boot/265971)

Max Boot has made the best comment on this affair, and I have quoted him below ....

.... Those who are either happy or unhappy about the administration's approach to Israel should lodge their compliments or complaints where they belong — at the White House, not at Central Command (General Petraeus).

Indeed.


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as posted by Snuffysmith, veteran news gatherer, discussion board moderator and blogger (especially on nuclear topics)


http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=117303&hl=