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Magda Hassan
04-21-2010, 10:08 PM
Polanski's Ghost Writer
A film review

By Gilad Atzmon

April 21, 2010 "Information Clearing House (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/)" -- It is somewhat puzzling that director Roman Polanski, who has managed to evade justice for more than three decades, decided to make a film chronicling a disgraced British PM in his attempt to escape the War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague. Polanski's latest movie is based on Robert Harris bestseller (The Ghost). It tells the story of a fictional ex British PM Adam Lang (Pierce Brosnan) who though once hugely popular, is now totally despised. Lang is in exile in the USA with his wife Ruth (Olivia Williams). He fears extradition to The Hague Tribunal.
The main protagonist, who leads the film from beginning to end, is a ghostwriter (Ewan McGregor). He is hired by a publisher to write Langs biography following the mysterious death of Langs previous ghostwriter. The new recruit soon discovers that something with the Langs is not exactly kosher. The Langs, it turns out, were working for the CIA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_AerBW0EcI

The resemblance between Adam Lang and Tony Blair is more than obvious. Adam Lang is a handsome dark-haired guy, he is athletic, he is charming, he is slick, he is a war criminal but he is also venerable, he flips easily. The film tackles the most devastating chapter in recent history, the transformation of Anglo American liberal democracy into a lethal killing machine, fueled by pathos and righteousness, a chapter British society is not yet mature enough to deal with. Once again, it is artistic, creative minds such as Harris and Polanski who are engaged with questions the Chilcot Inquiry would never dwell upon.
So far, any conventional attempt to outline a rational or logical narrative that would explain the logos behind Tony Blairs conduct from 2002 onwards, has failed miserably. Blair launched an illegal war based on a fabricated dossier. He took the country into conflict in spite of some serious opposition from within the military, the intelligence, the cabinet, the Labour party, the media and the general public. During this process Blair mounted some severe pressure on intelligence officers and legal experts to approve his lethal agenda. Blair was also clinging to Zionist fund-raisers and supporters within the media. It is far from clear why he did it.
The Blairites offer two explanations that are supposed to suggest a rational motivation behind Blairs wars. One presents Blair as a devout Christian. However, murdering 1.5 Iraqis in the name of God was not going to work in the 21st century. Besides, a nation that voted Labour was not necessarily going to be happy to find out that it ended up with a messianic Crusader. The other Blairite explanation refers to moral interventionalism. This particular spin is largely promoted by Zionist (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/the_blair_years/article2886677.ece)s and Neocons (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/feb/16/foreignpolicy.iraq) within the British media and academia. Yet, launching a Zionist war and committing genocide in the name of morality is an even more embarrassing excuse than using God. Seemingly, there is no patriotic narrative that would justify Blairs policies and crimes. Clearly the lack of any sincere political reasoning led to the invention of Adam Lang, a fictional American CIA pawn planted at the heart of British politics.
http://www.gilad.co.uk/storage/The-Ghost-Writer-1.JPG.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1271843195396 As much as Lang resembles Blair, one may still notice that Adam Lang lacks some key figures that were associated with the Blair leadership. Adam Lang operates without a Lord Cash Machine (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/michael-levy-lord-cashpoint-470299.html) or a Friend of Israel backer who sorts things out. He also suffers from the absence of a submissive legal expert, someone who may remind us of Lord Green Light (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/7083544/Lord-Goldsmith-tells-Iraq-Inquiry-why-he-gave-green-light-for-war.html). Nor is there a mention of the Wolfowitzes or Perles. Interestingly enough, not a single word about the Zionist Neocon (http://eustonmanifesto.org/) enthusiasts within the British Media is registered in the film. I guess there is a limit to what we can expect from Polanski, a film genius who brought The Pianist to life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itR0-I9idXk

In Polanskis The Ghost Writer, it is not the Zionists who run the show and drag us into one war after another, it is actually the CIA and Adams wife Ruth who set us all up. In Polanskis cinematic universe Adam Lang is merely a puppet, a charming yet nave actor from Cambridge University who was recruited by a foreign intelligence agency. Lang himself may fail to understand what he was all about. He is innocent he may even be a victim. In Polanskis film Adam Lang is almost a tragic figure, a pathetic narcissist exploited by evil forces. This interpretation may help us to understand why Polanski who is currently fighting an extradition order to the United States for a sex assault committed many years ago, chose to make a film about a war criminal ex-world leader on the run. The true story, Polanski may want us to believe, is slightly more complicated than it seems.
This presentation of Adam Lang as a victim is obviously there to break the resemblance with Tony Blair. It leaves Adam Lang, the tragic figure, in safe fictional territory but it leaves us also with an incomplete task. Whether Blair was a CIA agent, subject to blackmail, a devout Christian or a moral interventionalist we still have to make sure that he is delivered in one piece to the Hague to face justice. We owe this to the millions who lost their life in the name of his phony ideology. http://www.gilad.co.uk/storage/tony_blair.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=12718432 89907







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David Guyatt
04-22-2010, 07:55 AM
And this brings me back to an old chestnut --- was prior leader of the Labour Party, John Smith, killed or did he die naturally of a heart attack in 1994. Had he survived, dear "Tone" would've never amounted to anything, let alone the grinning bucket of puke he became. Smith had the Labour Party in his pocket and was much admired and much loved and was an old fashioned Labour politician.

From his Wiki entry:


John Smith was appointed Shadow Chancellor by Neil Kinnock in June 1987 after Party's General Election defeat. However, he suffered a heart attack whilst Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer on 9 October 1988 and was forced to spend three months away from Westminster to recover. On that occasion, he had complained of chest pains the night before, and had to be persuaded to cancel a flight to London so he could go to hospital for a check up. He was examined at the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary by an ECG. The doctor who examined him said "Whatever it is, we don't think it is your heart". Then Smith suddenly collapsed and was briefly unconscious before coming around. He spent three days in intensive care before leaving hospital on 20 October 1988, to make a full recovery.

Smith made modifications to his lifestyle by going on a 1,000 calorie diet, cutting down on rich foods and fine wines, giving up smoking and taking up Munro bagging and by the time of his death he had succeeded in climbing 108 of the 277 Scottish Munros (mountains over 3,000 feet above sea level at the summit). His weight dropped from 15 stone 5 pounds (98 kg) at the time of the first heart attack, to 12 stone 10 pounds (81 kg) when he returned to Parliament on 23 January 1989.

Is it possible that 'Tone' was recruited by the CIA and became their boy to run the UK and that Smith was an impediment to this plan and had to go via the old heart attack accident?

Is it possible that Polanski's recent troubles stem directly from this film that appear to out Tone as an asset of the boys in Virginia?

Magda Hassan
04-22-2010, 11:57 AM
It has occurred to me in the past. It is something I have never checked out but it does fit oh so well.

Jan Klimkowski
04-22-2010, 06:59 PM
I read Robert Harris' puerile The Ghost.

It has a ridiculous cop-out twist, which may amuse Paxman and his mates, but is in reality just pathetic.

Blair/Lang is indeed presented as an innocent victim of comicbook dark forces which he neither comprehends nor understands.

The book is not revolutionary. Nor radical. Let alone a challenge to MSM consensus constructed reality.

It doesn't sound as if Polanski's film is any more radical or subversive than the book. But I s'pose we'll have to wait and see.

Helen Reyes
04-23-2010, 02:06 PM
I browsed through the e-book when we were discussing Polanski's arrest in another thread. I didn't detect great literautre but didn't look too closely. I took the book to be filler for the central message: Blair and probably Brown are CIA agents.

How much did Romek Sikorksi work behind the scenes to get Polanski freed, if at all? What were the Kaczynski cabinet making of the sudden arrest of Europe's oldest fugitive from American justice, the Holocaust survivor who called himself Romek Wilk? Is this the same Sikorski who wrote Full Circle[i]?


Radek Sikroski was born in Poland in 1963. He played an active role in Solidarity and was granted political asylum in Britain in 1982. After studying at Pembroke College, Oxford, he worked as a freelance journalist, contributing to the [i]Observer, the Spectator, the Sunday Telegraph, and Encounter. He is the author of Dust of the Saints: A Journey to Herat in Time of War. He served as a deputy defense minister in the first freely elected government in Poland after Communism. Sikorski has written for The National Review, The Wall Street Journal, Foreign Affairs, and Rzeczpospolita, Poland's newspaper of record.

If Polanski was threatening Blair's candidacy as President of Europe, the post assigned to the limp dish rag Rompuy after Blair's name was more or less rejected by France and other EU members on the continent, why would the presumably UK-affiliated Sikorski push for Polanski's release or at least home-arrest, so he could finish the film?

Is it possible Sikorski was working within the Kaczynski/Trusk cabinets on bhealf of Blair's alleged paymasters?

If so, would Blair and Sikorski's paymasters stoop to grand spectacle by decapitating the titular or symbolic head of the Polish Republic, president Kaczynski, in broad daylight (with light fog) in order to send a message to potential future threats to the paymasters' interests in Europe?

This is all speculation built on speculation and I don't have a firm enough grasp of Polish politics to gauge the likelihood of who is playing on whose side. And it wasn't CIA troops who arrived on the scene with guns blazing.

Jan Klimkowski
04-23-2010, 05:17 PM
OK - this is a deep politics forum, so I'm going to reveal below the plot twist at the end of The Ghost.

If you don't want to know, ignore the rest of this post.

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The twist is that Lang/Blair isn't CIA.

However, Lang's wife/Cherie has been CIA since her youth.

As I wrote above, this is a puerile, ridiculous, cop-out twist, which may amuse Paxman and his mates, but is in reality just pathetic.

I do not consider it likely that Polanski was re-arrested for buggering a 13-year-old girl because of his filming of The Ghost.

Helen Reyes
04-23-2010, 06:37 PM
That's right, I forgot it was his wife, even though I skipped to the end (no spoiler alert because the quality of the work doesn't really require it). Someone else told me Gordon Brown was the real CIA agent, but I never looked into it. I just extracted Sikorski's book from the moving box and the first paragraph in the prologue is interesting:



On the fourth of June, 1989, the day of Poland's first partly democratic election since the Second World War, I was deep in the Angolan bush, not far from the strategic Benguela railway. I had joined a unit of Jonas Savimbi's UNITA guerillas on a long trek from his base at Jamba to the battleground in the central highlands. They had been fighting a Cuban-supported Communist government in Luanda since the 1970s and I admired them. Later, Savimbi's personality cult, the dishonesty of my minders, and the atmosphere of voodoo superstition were to change my mind.

Very Heart of Darkness there. What's Sikorski's connexion with British intelligence, if any? Is this the same person who is Trusk's foreign minister?

I can't think of any other reason Polanski would be arrested at the time he was unless it was some horse trading involving US interests, UBS and bailouts, but that seems even less likely.

Paul Rigby
04-28-2010, 07:02 PM
In Polanskis The Ghost Writer, it is not the Zionists who run the show and drag us into one war after another, it is actually the CIA and Adams wife Ruth who set us all up.

http://radioislam.org/islam/english/jewishp/usa/lasttycoon.htm

Ann Louise Bardach, "The Last Tycoon," Los Angeles Magazine, April 2000


Roman Polanski has enjoyed a 20-year friendship with Milchan. "Dinners, parties, nightclubs," says Polanski from his home in Paris. "He's fun." In 1981, Milchan produced the French version of the stage play Amadeus, which Polanski directed and starred in as Mozart. "It was a big success and could have gone on for years, but I couldn't do it anymore," says Polanski, who adds that Milchan has also helped him with advice about distribution of his films. However, they have yet to make a movie together. "Of course, I've heard what people say: `Better to be friends with him than do business.' I know he's a tough businessman. Tough is fine, ruthless, no--but I haven't seen that."

Arnon Milchan = Mossad, arms dealer, propagandist for Apartheid. And, of course, Executive Producer of Stone's JFK.

No wonder the Israeli lobby angle gets no play in The Ghost.

David Guyatt
04-29-2010, 08:58 AM
That's right, I forgot it was his wife, even though I skipped to the end (no spoiler alert because the quality of the work doesn't really require it). Someone else told me Gordon Brown was the real CIA agent, but I never looked into it. I just extracted Sikorski's book from the moving box and the first paragraph in the prologue is interesting:



On the fourth of June, 1989, the day of Poland's first partly democratic election since the Second World War, I was deep in the Angolan bush, not far from the strategic Benguela railway. I had joined a unit of Jonas Savimbi's UNITA guerillas on a long trek from his base at Jamba to the battleground in the central highlands. They had been fighting a Cuban-supported Communist government in Luanda since the 1970s and I admired them. Later, Savimbi's personality cult, the dishonesty of my minders, and the atmosphere of voodoo superstition were to change my mind.

Very Heart of Darkness there. What's Sikorski's connexion with British intelligence, if any? Is this the same person who is Trusk's foreign minister?

I can't think of any other reason Polanski would be arrested at the time he was unless it was some horse trading involving US interests, UBS and bailouts, but that seems even less likely.

There was an interesting essay in LOBSTER several years ago that showed that Blair, Brown and Mo Mowlem were all members of an American think-tank, or similar (can't recall its name just now), and as I remember it the essay suggested all three were captured assets of US interests. Does this mean CIA? Perhaps. But they were, it seems, working for the interests of a foreign power, not their own country.

Of course, this "betrayal" argument has little legs because it is commonplace for leading lights in Blighty to hold Uncle's coat-tails. Years ago Fred Holroyd told me that it was not at all unusual or even remarkable for the CIA station people to openly recruit officers from the British Army Intelligence Corps.

Jan Klimkowski
04-29-2010, 06:46 PM
For me, the central point about this puerile Ghost rubbish is that for 99% of the book, it leads the reader (and presumably viewer) to believe that Lang/Blair is a bought and paid for American intelligence asset.

Then comes the twist:

Sheeple - you can sleep easily. That nice Tony Blair/Lang isn't an American intel asset. Rather he's an honest man misled and betrayed by those around him.

The real Machiavellian one is Mrs Lang/Blair - aka Middle Englander Daily Mail's Cherie the Wicked Witch, and she is a CIA asset.

Effectively, this allows the public to indulge in a permitted "conspiracy theory" - ooh, was Tony CIA? - before the book (and presumably the movie) disses the "conspiracy theory" in favour of something truly ridiculous.

The Ghost is not radical.

It is not a danger to consensus reality.

If anything, this complete and utter waste of paper reinforces the status quo ante.

Helen Reyes
04-30-2010, 02:06 PM
Cherche la femme or however it's spelled in French. Yes. A cop-out masquerading as a plot twist.

I can't help thinking Blair is in some sort of secret cult, maybe he's an Ascended Master or something in some branch of Theosophy. It's just a weird feeling I get from him, but he seems like he's in a trance quite often. If that were true, Ghost doesn't go completely off-track, because Lang is controlled as Tony Blair is. Not that Blair would perceive himself that way, he would be the prime mover in a drama he helped write. With whom did he think he was co-authoring the script, and for what purpose? Did anyone else hear how Tony Blair signed a guestbook somewhere and put his home city down as Jerusalem? It might've even been at some place in Israel. Odd behaviour.

Magda Hassan
07-30-2010, 09:10 AM
Cherche la femme or however it's spelled in French. Yes. A cop-out masquerading as a plot twist.

I can't help thinking Blair is in some sort of secret cult, maybe he's an Ascended Master or something in some branch of Theosophy. It's just a weird feeling I get from him, but he seems like he's in a trance quite often. If that were true, Ghost doesn't go completely off-track, because Lang is controlled as Tony Blair is. Not that Blair would perceive himself that way, he would be the prime mover in a drama he helped write. With whom did he think he was co-authoring the script, and for what purpose? Did anyone else hear how Tony Blair signed a guestbook somewhere and put his home city down as Jerusalem? It might've even been at some place in Israel. Odd behaviour.
I reckon he is Opus Dei. Definitely not kosher though.

Jan Klimkowski
07-30-2010, 04:24 PM
Blair's sometime Education Secretary, Ruth Kelly, is a member of Opus Dei.


Ms Kelly is not only Catholic, but a member of the controversial Opus Dei group

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6290801.stm

Jan Klimkowski
07-30-2010, 04:26 PM
I don't necessarily believe the exchange below, leaked by who?, is correct in all aspects.

However, fwiw it is superficially amusing:


At the time of the furore over Mr Blair's appointment of Ruth Kelly as Education Secretary caused by her membership of Opus Dei the Prime Minister asked Canon Russ: "What is Opus Dei?"

"A rather strict organisation of the Church," the priest told him, adding: "General Franco had 11 members of Opus Dei in his government."

"I've only got one what's wrong with me?" the Prime Minister said.

Mr Blair spoke to Canon Russ several years ago about his desire to become a Roman Catholic deacon when he left Downing Street. He asked the priest: "Would this be possible?"

When Canon Russ told him it would usually take "two or three years" before he could be considered for such a role, Mr Blair replied: "The fact that I'm PM, could this make a difference?"

I asked Canon Russ if, when Mr Blair was free from politics, he would accept the authority of the Roman Catholic Church. He was convinced he would, saying: "He has a lot of potentiality for good. He is still looking for the meaning in his life." But for the time being he was "two different people."

Although Canon Russ no longer sees the Blairs he was excluded from their circle after making critical comments about the Iraq War he writes to Mr Blair weekly and still sends him his sermons, which he says contain coded messages to the Prime Minister.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23401729-convert-blairs-been-a-catholic-for-25-years-already.do

Jan Klimkowski
07-30-2010, 05:14 PM
Fwiw:


The dictator, the saint and the minister

After weeks of speculation, the education secretary Ruth Kelly admitted this week that she receives 'spiritual support' from the secretive Catholic sect Opus Dei.

But even if reports of bizarre rituals are exaggerated, why would she be involved with the controversial group in the first place? Andy Beckett investigates

Just over half a century ago in Spain, a new kind of politician began to appear. As government ministers, they were young, energetic and highly competent. They were confident without being overbearing. And they seemed relatively free of fixed political ideas, except for a general desire to turn their old country into a modern, business-driven one.
During the 50s and 60s they opened up its economy to foreign trade and its poor southern coastline to lucrative tourism. They made themselves potential role models - complete with a suggestive group name used by some of their associates: the"third force" - for future generations of reforming European politicians.

Yet two things about the Spanish modernisers have hindered their reputation since. First, they did their work as part of the dictatorship of General Franco. Second, many of them were members of a new, highly conservative and highly controversial Roman Catholic movement: Opus Dei.

Since 1997, Ruth Kelly has been a similar modernising presence in British politics. As a Labour MP, Treasury minister, and now education secretary at the precocious age of 36, she has been busy, effective and - working closely with both Tony Blair and Gordon Brown - seemingly undogmatic. But being a British social democrat is rather different from being one of Franco's lieutenants. And so the revelation over the past five weeks, via a series of distinctly grudging admissions, that Kelly is also "in contact" (the organisation's words) with Opus Dei, and (in her words) receiving "spiritual support" from them, has been one of the stranger political shocks of recent British history.

All this has happened, moreover, at a time when, for non-political reasons, the notoriety of Opus Dei has been massively magnified. In Dan Brown's bestselling novel The Da Vinci Code, the organisation is famously portrayed as a murderous secret society whose crimes include concealing the truth about the Holy Grail. For all the exasperated reminders on the Opus Dei website that the book is "a work of fiction and not a reliable source of information on these matters", it is now even more awkward for Kelly to be the organisation's sole known representative in the House of Commons. As a prominent woman, with an assured manner, unmarked until now by any hint of political vulnerability or scandal, Kelly has had to watch her religious leanings being probed and dramatised with a certain relish in some quarters.

But a more interesting question perhaps than whether Ruth Kelly chafes herself with metal instruments or follows other Gothic-sounding practices ascribed to Opus Dei, is why a clever young politician, whether in modern Britain or Spain under Franco, would join the movement at all.

Before she became an MP, Kelly worked as an economist at the Bank of England and as a financial journalist at this newspaper. She studied at Oxford and the London School of Economics. Such a background in rational inquiry and the ambiguities of statistics, you might think, would not make someone receptive to a particularly unquestioning form of Roman Catholic faith.

Yet Opus Dei was founded, at least in part, to attract the ambitious professional classes. In Spain in the early 20th century, as in similar Roman Catholic countries, the church was anxious about a growing anti-religious scepticism. "Their great fear was losing the bourgeoisie," says John Allen of the National Catholic Reporter, one of the few relatively balanced authorities on Opus Dei. Around 1928 (the date is disputed), Josemaria Escriva, a young priest and law student with a pale, intense face and wire-rimmed glasses, decided to start a new Catholic movement. Opus Dei was not the first of its kind - new Catholic groups combining traditional theology with modern methods of spreading it already existed in Spain and France - but Escriva's scheme had a novel element. Opus Dei would, as its website puts it, promote "holiness in and by means of one's ordinary work".

Members of the movement would not withdraw from everyday life, like monks, but would pursue their secular careers - only now they would be "working according to the spirit of Jesus Christ". And Escriva had a particular kind of career in mind. "He wanted to reach the elite, those who shape culture," says Allen.

In 1939, Escriva published a book to guide these converts called The Way. It remains an intriguing read. Arranged in 999 short fragments, each a saying or instruction, its tone is by turns intimate, fierce and stiffly formal. How to behave at work is one preoccupation: "25 - Avoid arguments." "343 - Work! When you feel the responsibility of professional work, the life of your soul will improve." How to behave towards Opus Dei is another: "941 - Obedience [is] ... the sure way. Blind obedience to your superior ... the only way." "627 - Yours should be a silent obedience."

Opus Dei has always insisted that its teachings do not have political implications for its members. But sections of The Way seem to contradict this. There is 353: "Have you ever stopped to think how absurd it is to cease being a Catholic on entering a university, a professional association ... or parliament, like a man leaving his hat at the door?" And there is 46: "Don't you think that equality, as it is understood today, is synonymous with injustice?"

In truth, the context for Opus Dei's creation was as much political as religious. In Spain in the 30s, hostility between the Catholic church and the left was one of the causes of the civil war; Escriva spent the war on the run from leftwing forces. When Franco and the right emerged victorious, Opus Dei survived the bloodletting and paranoia that followed - fighting off allegations that it was a Jewish sect with links to the Freemasons - to work its way steadily into the upper levels of the dictatorship.

This involvement remains a sensitive subject. "Opus Dei is filed under F for Franco," concedes Jack Valero, the organisation's spokesman in Britain. "Some members worked in Franco's Spain, became ministers of his. But Opus Dei people are free to do whatever they wish politically. Other members were against Franco." He cites the dissident Rafael Calvo Serer, who was driven into exile in the early 70s and saw the newspaper he published closed by the government.

Allen confirms that by the latter stages of the Franco era, Opus Dei in Spain was divided "50/50" over the regime. Yet during the same period, Opus Dei was less than critical of other dictatorships. Escriva visited Chile in 1974, only months after Pinochet seized power, at a time when most international figures were staying well away. From Chile to Peru to Venezuela, allegations have followed Opus Dei, as it has recruited across south America, that its members have been senior participants in authoritarian coups and governments.

A charitable interpretation of these associations is that they are a consequence of Opus Dei's practice of seeking converts among "the elite", who are more likely to side with the generals when social turmoil threatens. In Britain, the movement opened its first "residences", for recruiting and supervising members, in university towns and cities in the 50s. Escriva, an Anglophile, saw the country as an international crossroads from which his message could be widely disseminated. He had a particular fondness for Oxford; a residence was established there in 1958. Kelly went to Oxford University from 1986 to 1989.

According to The Way, "the search for fellow apostles ... is the unmistakable sign of true zeal". One favoured method is to invite likely converts to a meeting. The Anglo-Italian writer and cartoonist Barry Fantoni has attended several. It started on the way to a restaurant one evening in Salerno in southern Italy, when a colleague at the university where Fantoni teaches part-time asked him if he wanted to go to an unspecified meeting. Intrigued, Fantoni agreed.

He found himself in a flat owned by a local lawyer. Sitting on chairs were "30 to 40 doctors and lawyers ... the influential people of the city of Salerno", and a young Spanish priest. There was no food or drink. For the next two hours the priest gave strident, conservative answers to questions from his audience about abortion and homosexuality and sex before marriage. "Some of the people there were not convinced by what the priest said," Fantoni remembers, "but there were no sharp intakes of breath."

The priest also mentioned repeatedly that "more people are needed". It gradually dawned on Fantoni that this was an Opus Dei meeting, and that his colleague was already a member. Although Fantoni did not speak at the gathering, he was invited again. "I'm thought to be influential, especially as I live in England."

He decided not to join. But he could see the draw: "If you're intellectual, it's appealing on paper. You're being called on to do the work of God. And if you're an active English Catholic, there isn't really that much [like it] for you to do."

Father Alban McCoy, the Roman Catholic chaplain at Cambridge University, sees "an appeal for certain temperaments. People with high energy levels, ambitions. Sometimes they want to channel these. Opus Dei gives them a clear identity, a disciplined approach to life." The religious historian Stephen Tomkins adds: "There is an element of flattery in being asked to join a group of intelligent, successful people." The fact that membership involves "many commitments", in Valero's words, gives Opus Dei further status. "Part of the appeal," Tomkins says, "is that it is demanding."

The movement currently has about 80,000 members. Its value to the Vatican can be gauged by the fact that Escriva was canonised in 2002, barely a quarter of a century after his death, an exceptionally short interval in the view of many commentators, and despite vigorous protests. The internet teems with assertions, often backed up with convincing evidence, about the extent of Opus Dei's financial and political leverage.

Allen says all this can be overplayed. "The Roman Catholic diocese of Hobart in Tasmania has more members than Opus Dei. There are 19 members of Opus Dei in the Curia [the powerful Vatican bureaucracy] out of a total of 2,600." These are statistics that Ruth Kelly may find herself deploying in the future.

Her voting record in the House of Commons on matters likely to be of interest to Opus Dei is ambiguous. Usually loyal to the government, she did not vote on a government proposal for unmarried and gay couples to be allowed to adopt, nor on two government-sponsored motions to lower the age of consent for gay sex. But she did not vote against them.

In a sense, all the mists of rumour and menace around Opus Dei, however troublesome for its members from time to time, are actually useful for the movement. "The magic is destroyed if they lose their secrecy and mystery," says McCoy. Then Opus Dei would be just one religious subgroup among many. I suspect they're not ready for that role quite yet.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/jan/28/religion.schools

Jan Klimkowski
01-21-2011, 09:25 PM
Given Seymour Hersh's claims that:


Hersh then brought up the widespread looting that took place in Baghdad after the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003. “In the Cheney shop, the attitude was, ‘What’s this? What are they all worried about, the politicians and the press, they’re all worried about some looting? … Don’t they get it? We’re gonna change mosques into cathedrals. And when we get all the oil, nobody’s gonna give a damn.’”
“That’s the attitude,” he continued. “We’re gonna change mosques into cathedrals. That’s an attitude that pervades, I’m here to say, a large percentage of the Joint Special Operations Command.”
He then alleged that Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who headed JSOC before briefly becoming the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, and his successor, Vice Adm. William McRaven, as well as many within JSOC, “are all members of, or at least supporters of, Knights of Malta.”
Hersh may have been referring to the Sovereign Order of Malta, a Roman Catholic organization commited to “defence of the Faith and assistance to the poor and the suffering,” according to its website.
“Many of them are members of Opus Dei,” Hersh continued. “They do see what they’re doing — and this is not an atypical attitude among some military — it’s a crusade, literally. They seem themselves as the protectors of the Christians. They’re protecting them from the Muslims [as in] the 13th century. And this is their function.”
“They have little insignias, these coins they pass among each other, which are crusader coins,” he continued. “They have insignia that reflect the whole notion that this is a culture war. … Right now, there’s a tremendous, tremendous amount of anti-Muslim feeling in the military community.”
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?6065-Seymour-Hersh-Many-in-Joint-Spec-l-Ops-Command-...-Kinghts-of-Malta

And Blair's call that the West must be prepared to follow the war against Iraq with one against Iran:


In his second appearance before the Chilcot inquiry the former prime minister repeated the warning he gave in evidence a year ago that Iran was a "looming, coming challenge" to the peace and stability of the whole region and must be tackled.

He accused the Tehran regime of fomenting terrorism and destabilising the Middle East, deliberately impeding chances of peace.

"The Iranians are doing this because they fundamentally disagree with our way of life," he said. "At some point we have got to get our head out of the sand and understand Iraq is one part of a far bigger picture right across the region. People are going to have to face that struggle."
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?2614-The-Iraq-Inquiry-Chilcott-s-Circus-Clowns-Come-to-Town/page11

I'm bumping this thread which contains potentially relevant material.

Opus Dei.

SMOM.

War against the "infidels", replacing "mosques with cathedrals".

Perhaps George W Bush's call for a "crusade" was precisely that.

David Guyatt
01-24-2011, 09:13 PM
It may be of further interest that the fragmentation of Yugoslavia was aided and assisted by SMOM and Opus Dei.

Robert Hutchison's book "Thy Kingdom Come - Inside the Secret World of Opus Dei" makes this quite clear.

In that, Hutchison states that Opus Dei has suborned the FBI, CIA, the Pentagon and other powerful bodies, that it has also forged an alliance with the Mafia - all in their holy war on Islam.

I've been trying to find an online copy of the book to link to, but am unable to locate one.

Jan Klimkowski
05-09-2012, 09:01 PM
I'm bumping this thread because I've now watched the film, and need to fix my quote accordingly:


The Ghost is not radical.

It is not a danger to consensus reality.

If anything, this complete and utter waste of celluloid reinforces the status quo ante.