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Peter Presland
08-19-2010, 02:55 PM
I commend this article to one and all. It is titled:

Welcome to the New and Improved Police State

and it was posted on the internet less than 24 hours after the collapse of WTC7.

It is by Dave McGowan and it confirms him as pre-emininent among contemporaries who can see the Anglo-US-NATO empire for what it is (IMHO). Most of it was written whilst the attacks were in progress! Talk about prescience! Alongside his work on 'The Pedophocracy' it qualifies him as a genius in my book.



I have done a brief intro and posted the full article on Wikispooks (https://wikispooks.com/w/index.php?title=Document:The_First_9-11_Sceptic&action=submit).
The original is still up on McGowans own site here (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/wtc.html)

Dawn Meredith
08-19-2010, 04:33 PM
Incredibly perceptive article. He asks all the right questions and provides all the right answers. Not even 24 hours after it occurred, while the rest of us were still reeling in shock.

Dawn

Peter Dawson
08-19-2010, 11:40 PM
He's also supremely convinced that the moon landings were faked. Which is entertaining to watch, I must admit, but it does make you think twice about other things he's supremely convinced about - his Laurel Canyon series (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html), for example.

Magda Hassan
08-20-2010, 12:21 AM
I love the Laurel Canyon series. There are some real gems in there like the movie studio in Wonderland Drive.

Jack White
08-20-2010, 01:26 AM
He's also supremely convinced that the moon landings were faked. Which is entertaining to watch, I must admit, but it does make you think twice about other things he's supremely convinced about - his Laurel Canyon series (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html), for example.

But...the moon landings WERE faked.

Myra Bronstein
08-20-2010, 07:05 AM
I have a low opinion of the Laurel Canyon series but I'm already on record with that: http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=698&highlight=Laurel+Canyon

Peter Dawson
08-21-2010, 12:34 PM
He's also supremely convinced that the moon landings were faked. Which is entertaining to watch, I must admit, but it does make you think twice about other things he's supremely convinced about - his Laurel Canyon series (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html), for example.

But...the moon landings WERE faked.

Is there a consensus here about the moon landings? Or are you being facetious, Jack? I've never seen any (at the end of the day) convincing arguments or evidence that they were faked. I'd much prefer it if they were faked, and I'd prefer it if I were convinced that they were faked, but as I say, nothing has convinced me that they were faked, including Dave McGowan's writings. Though it's fun to read someone having a red hot go at scoffing at the "faked" moon landings.



What's the story about the movie studio in Wonderland Drive, Magda? I've read them all, but I can't recall.

The Laurel Canyon series reminds me a bit of the numerologists who pull significant numbers out of thin air and find earth-shattering significance in the timing of the most obscure and the most mundane occurrences. Like, why is it so surprising that people flocked to the same place - Laurel Canyon? Being trendy is trendy - surprise, surprise - especially for people who want to keep up to date with the latest trends. Being at the cutting edge of where-it's-at often involves moving to the "in" suburb, or the "in" street.

And the whole "sons and daughters of military/CIA workers" trend can also be seen to have a possible mundane explanation. The offspring of people who are high up in the military/intelligence power structure are more likely to take a leading role in challenging that power structure, as a part of the routine requirement that they challenge the authority of their parents. And they're more likely to feel confident enough to challenge the power structure because their parent's status has given them the confidence to do such a thing. Just like the kids of rich people are far more likely to have the confidence to take on and succeed with far more lucrative projects than their non-rich contemporaries are likely to take on and succeed at.

Though I do think all this stuff should be explored, and all leads chased down, because obviously there's been plenty of funny business going on.

Jack White
08-21-2010, 01:01 PM
He's also supremely convinced that the moon landings were faked. Which is entertaining to watch, I must admit, but it does make you think twice about other things he's supremely convinced about - his Laurel Canyon series (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html), for example.

But...the moon landings WERE faked.

Is there a consensus here about the moon landings? Or are you being facetious, Jack? I've never seen any (at the end of the day) convincing arguments or evidence that they were faked. I'd much prefer it if they were faked, and I'd prefer it if I were convinced that they were faked, but as I say, nothing has convinced me that they were faked, including Dave McGowan's writings. Though it's fun to read someone having a red hot go at scoffing at the "faked" moon landings.




Though I do think all this stuff should be explored, and all leads chased down, because obviously there's been plenty of funny business going on.

Peter...check my website...


http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_index1.html

http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.htm


...and then get back to me.

Jack

Magda Hassan
08-21-2010, 01:32 PM
I don't think there is one consensus here about the moon landings. Jack is definitely in the 'Never Happened' camp. I'm in the 'Probably Happened' camp with a few question marks which have yet to answered to my satisfaction.

The studio at Wonderland was for decades a large clandestine and cutting edge film making facility employing hundreds of people and producing over 19,000 classified films and was only decommissioned in 1969 but it's functions only became known about in the 1990's. Which sort of makes the old canard about not being able to keep secret a big secret involving many people for a long time a bit moot.

Jack White
08-21-2010, 05:55 PM
I don't think there is one consensus here about the moon landings. Jack is definitely in the 'Never Happened' camp. I'm in the 'Probably Happened' camp with a few question marks which have yet to answered to my satisfaction.

The studio at Wonderland was for decades a large clandestine and cutting edge film making facility employing hundreds of people and producing over 19,000 classified films and was only decommissioned in 1969 but it's functions only became known about in the 1990's. Which sort of makes the old canard about not being able to keep secret a big secret involving many people for a long time a bit moot.

Magda...check these and get back to me.

http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_index1.html

http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.htm

Malcolm Pryce
08-21-2010, 08:33 PM
I think Dave McGowan's 'Wag the Moondoggie' series is simply brilliant. Well-written, very witty and compelling. It makes a great accompaniment to Jack's Apollo photo analysis which is also excellent. Whether they went or not, I think there's no doubt they faked the photography. And why would they need to do that if they really went?

Keith Millea
08-22-2010, 01:12 AM
I think Dave McGowan's 'Wag the Moondoggie' series is simply brilliant. Well-written, very witty and compelling. It makes a great accompaniment to Jack's Apollo photo analysis which is also excellent. Whether they went or not, I think there's no doubt they faked the photography. And why would they need to do that if they really went?

Hey Malcolm thanks for the heads-up on "Wag the Moondoggie".I'm a little braindead from the length of the thing,but I just couldn't stop from reading it.I think it's worth adding the link here.

part 1

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html

Peter Dawson
08-23-2010, 11:28 AM
Peter...check my website...


http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_index1.html

http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.htm


...and then get back to me.

Jack

The way I see it, whatever the truth is with the moon landings, they aren't the elephant in the living room while 9/11 truth is still unacknowledged by the larger population. 9/11 is just as important as the moon landings, and I'm far more confident that 9/11 was a staged job than I am about the moon landings. And JFK's assassination is second in importance after 9/11 truth.

Jack White
08-23-2010, 01:55 PM
Peter...check my website...


http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_index1.html

http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.htm


...and then get back to me.

Jack

The way I see it, whatever the truth is with the moon landings, they aren't the elephant in the living room while 9/11 truth is still unacknowledged by the larger population. 9/11 is just as important as the moon landings, and I'm far more confident that 9/11 was a staged job than I am about the moon landings. And JFK's assassination is second in importance after 9/11 truth.

You are correct. At this date, the only usefulness of the Apollo fakery
is that it provides a good case study in official deceit and coverup...the
malfeasance of Lyndon and Tricky Dick.

In importance...1, 911; 2. JFK; 3, Apollo.

Thanks.

Jack

Malcolm Pryce
08-23-2010, 05:02 PM
I wouldn’t disagree with that, but the moon hoax if ever accepted would, of course, blow 9/11 out of the water in terms of the ramifications. Imagine it! Not that there is even the slightest chance of it happening. It’s possible to engage many people on the 9/11 issue. We all know what happens if you question the moon landings. Even when that priceless piece of moon rock in the Dutch National Museum turned out to be a piece of wood last year nobody minded.