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Magda Hassan
09-24-2010, 10:18 PM
For the past 48 hours select material posted to the Stop NATO email list has not been allowed to go through to subscribers or to enter the archives.

This may be a problem with Yahoo Groups in general (much like language encoding problems in the archives and on occasion with the daily digest since February of 2009), but in view of recent correspondence received from Yahoo it may signal something else.

On August 19, 2010 the Stop NATO moderator received an email from the Military Times group (Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times, Marine Corps
Times, Defense News, Federal Times, Armed Forces Journal, Training &
Simulation Journal and C4ISR Journal) demanding that he immediately delete a news item from Navy Times posted on a list in Asia that I was not familiar with or face alleged copyright infringement penalties. (Complete correspondence is included below.)

The next day I explained matters to the Military Times representative, who never responded to me although I had offered to remove the item in question from the Stop NATO archives even though I had not been asked to (see below).

Four weeks later Yahoo informed me that it had arbitrarily removed a Stop NATO posting from the archives although at no time was an attempt made to contact me about it before the action was taken.

The Yahoo email also contained a paragraph, below, that states not only can an email group be shut down but that an individual's email account(s) can be terminated for emailing copyrighted news material, although the intention in doing so is strictly informational.

As can be seen in the exchange between the Military Times person and myself that follows, Yahoo is stating that it can terminate groups and individual email accounts even if one individual emails a second and that email is forwarded to a third party and ends up in the (eminently obscure) archives of an unrelated and unfamiliar email group's archives.

Thanks to the tireless efforts of friends, Stop NATO has a back-up/alterative server that is ready to continue the list (and preserve its archives) should problems with Yahoo continue.

Yours for peace,
Rick Rozoff

Fri, 9/17/10, Yahoo! Copyright <copyright@yahoo-inc.com> wrote:

RE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stopnato/

NavyTimes.com and/or NavyTimes.comís agent ("NavyTimes.com. ") has notified Yahoo! Inc. ("Yahoo!") in compliance with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act ("DMCA") that you have submitted to the Yahoo! Group stopnato copyrighted material which is proprietary to NavyTimes.com.. NavyTimes.com has further notified Yahoo! that you are not authorized to use the material in question at:


Yahoo! respects the rights of both its users and the owners and rights holders of intellectual property. In compliance with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and/or other applicable federal law, Yahoo! has removed and/or disabled access to the copyrighted material in question.

As you know, Yahoo! may terminate any and/or all services and accounts without notice. Without waiving or limiting any rights or remedies Yahoo! has or may have, you are hereby advised that our receipt of another notification alleging the unauthorized posting by you of another party's intellectual property in connection with any Yahoo! service may result in not only the suspension of all Yahoo! Groups for which you are the designated owner, but the termination of all of your Yahoo! services as well as the deactivation of your Yahoo! ID.

If you wish to attempt to resolve the matter by dealing with NavyTimes.com directly, NavyTimes.com may be contacted at:

Email: smahaskey@atpco.com
From: Rick Rozoff <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:47:30

RE: Unauthorized Use of Copyrighted Navy Times Material

Dear Denise,
I followed the link you provided - http://groups.google.com.pk/group/misc.activism.progressive/browse_thread/thread/491d4c2c5697eea6 - and it is apparently to the archives of a private email group in Pakistan, one I am not associated or even familiar with.

The news feature you mention is one of ten included in a daily digest of items I send out to a private, (unpaid) subscriber-only email list.

I credited the site, Navy Times; provided the date and the byline, July 6, 2010 by Gidget Fuentes, and even included the URL/link to the original feature.

In no manner did I misrepresent the origin, nature or ownership of the article. Moreover, at no time have I posted an Air Force/Army/Marine Corps/Navy Times item - complete or partial - on a website or even blogsite.

If I were to borrow a recording from a public library and a third party took it and, unbeknownst to me, made copies of it, I hardly see how I could be accused of copyright infringement.

If you insist, I will remove all Military Times material from the (private) archives of my own email list.

But I have some serious concerns about your indication that you might have recourse to legal action against me.

If your copyright policy was a general one, every email news list and most every independent news website in the world would be shut down. Indeed, as there is no guarantee that even material contained in a private email between two individuals can not make the rounds, ending up posted somewhere, I fear that the universal application of your policy could prevent even the passing on of a news item between two individuals - a degree of proprietry exclusiveness and de facto censorship frightening in its implications.
Rick Rozoff

On Fri, 8/20/10, Denise Dorn <ddorn@atpco.com> wrote:

From: Denise Dorn <ddorn@atpco.com>
Subject: RE: Unauthorized Use of Copyrighted Navy Times Material
To: xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 8:02 AM

Dear Mr. Rozoff,

I do apologize for omitting the URL. The example is:

Denise Dorn
Army Times Publishing Company

From: Rick Rozoff [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 2:10 PM
To: Denise Dorn
Subject: Re: Unauthorized Use of Copyrighted Navy Times Material

Dear Tobias,
I have on occasion perhaps quoted a sentence of two from Navy Times, but never posted an entire feature.

You would kindly provide an example of what you allude to?

Appreciatively yours,
Rick Rozoff

From: Denise Dorn <ddorn@atpco.com>
Subject: Unauthorized Use of Copyrighted Navy Times
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: bwall@gannett.com,

Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 12:50 PM
Your site or a user of your site has posted copyrighted articles belonging
to Military Times Media Group. Some examples of such unauthorized use can be found at the following urls

[List of urls]

Military Times Media Group has the exclusive rights to these articles.
Please remove all such articles from your website immediately and cease and
desist from posting entire articles. Any continued posting or use will be
considered willful copyright infringement.
Our terms of service also prohibit framing and inline linking, in which our content is lifted from our sites and displayed on your site. For more information, see our terms of service
at www.militarytimes.com/terms.=20
Please respond to this e-mail within 24 hours confirming that each and every posting of Navy Times material has been taken down and
that you will not engage in any further unauthorized copying of Navy
Times materials.

Tobias Naegele
Editor in Chief
Army Times Publishing Co.
Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times, Marine Corps
Times, Defense News,
Federal Times, Armed Forces Journal, Training &
Simulation Journal and C4ISR

Magda Hassan
09-27-2010, 01:07 PM
http://www.wfol.tv/news/5363-yahoo-threatens-email-forwarding-to-protect-nato.html World Future Online September 27, 2010 Yahoo threatens email forwarding to protect Nato Written by Kazi Mahmood It appears that Yahoo, the popular email service provider, is combatting anti-Nato movements by threatening to close email accounts of anyone who is found responsible for simply forwarding an email to a group or any individual. In a personal letter to Wfol.tv, Rick Rozoff of the Stop Nato group based in the US explained that his Yahoo group called Stop Nato, which is a collection of articles worldwide on the activities of the Western military organization Nato, said he is being victimized. Rozoff expressed fears that the very future of two individuals exchanging news in emails could be prevented by Yahoo. This could happen if any news group or organization presses Yahoo to take action against specific movements. Rozoff said: "My appreciation for your posting the material on the joint Military Times/Yahoo threats to Stop NATO. If they get away with something like this they can create a precedent for preventing any two individuals from emailing any news item anywhere in the world." Indeed this would be a very dangerous precedent as it would stop the dissemination of information among friends and between groups and other organzations. "If I copy and paste an article on any topic - say, gardening - and you forward it to another person and down the line somewhere it is sent to an email group - Yahoo tells me they can cancel my ID, which is to say my email address, the one I use to set up and moderate groups. They then de facto shut down all groups I moderate." Rozoff added. "By the way, neither Military Times nor Yahoo wrote to me at the email address I used to set up and use to moderate Stop NATO; they wrote to me at another, one I usually use to post items." he said. Wfol.tv posted an article outsourced from Rozoff's Yahoo group, Stop Nato, which is a series of email exchanges between the 'Military Times' group, Yahoo and Rick Rozoff. The article can be read here: Military Times and Yahoo: http://www.wfol.tv/stop-nato/5355-military-times-group-attempt-to-halt-stop-nato-chicago.html