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Magda Hassan
09-28-2010, 06:50 AM
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Dr. Marys Monkey

Lee Harvey Oswald, the JFK assassination are part of this chronicle

Interview with Edward T. Haslam.
In "Dr. Mary's Monkey," Edward T. Haslam weaves a tale of intrigue involving polio vaccines, secret laboratories, a gruesome death, romance, and, yes, monkeys.
Would you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald and the assassination of JFK are also part of this chronicle? Set in New Orleans in the fifties and early sixties, it demonstrates that truth is way stranger than fiction.
Haslam set out to discover what his father, a former Commander in the U.S. Navy and a Professor of Orthopedic Surgery at Tulane, had come across in the New Orleans medical community that not only offended his sense of medical ethics, but also frightened him into silence.
When a small child Haslam had sat in Dr. Mary Sherman's lap during one of her visits to the Haslam home. It was to be expected then that her murder, which remains unsolved to this day, would have been a painful event for the whole family. Nevertheless, the senior Haslam, just before his death, would not reveal to his son what he had learned. Only that very powerful people were involved and his son should think twice about "crossing swords" with them.
Haslam's search goes back to 1952 when Dr. Alton Ochsner persuaded Sherman, a well-known and respected cancer researcher and faculty member at the University of Chicago, to come to New Orleans. Ochsner was a prominent surgeon, an influential figure in New Orleans political circles, president of the American Cancer Society, and a staunch anti-communist. He promised Sherman a partnership in his clinic, her own cancer laboratory that would never want for funds because of Ochsner's connections, and an associate professorship at Tulane Medical School.
http://www.capecodtoday.com/images/09-Blogs/Dr._Marys_Monkey.jpg (http://www.trineday.com/)What were the events over the next fourteen years that led to Dr. Sherman's murder in July 1964- eight months after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy?
The answer to this question begins with the 33,000 Americans a year who had contracted polio during the early fifties. Parental fear that their child would be the next victim of this crippling, and often deadly, disease put enormous pressure on American medical researchers.
A significant step forward occurred when researchers found they could use the kidneys of rhesus monkeys as the culture for growing a vaccine. In early 1955, Dr. Jonas Salk announced that his vaccine would prevent polio. Following his instructions, five commercial laboratories began producing it in preparation for mass inoculations set to begin in April of that year.
As a precaution, Dr. Bernice Eddy, a researcher who worked for the National Institute of Health (NIH) in New Orleans, was ordered at the last minute to safe-test the Salk vaccine. Her finding was shocking: the vaccine itself could cause paralysis.
It heralded the biggest fiasco, to date, in the history of American medicine: unbelievably, the top dogs in the medical community decided to go ahead, anyway.
In a display of unimaginable arrogance, Ochsner, who had holdings in one of the five laboratories, inoculated his own grandchildren to demonstrate that the vaccine was safe. Both contracted polio. His granddaughter recovered from her paralysis but tragically his grandson died.
Estimates vary, but a significant number of other children also died or had permanent paralysis. Later on, in 1960, Dr. Albert Sabin was believed to have saved the day because his oral vaccine used a weakened virus rather than the dead virus used by Salk. Moreover, it had already been tested extensively in other countries. It began to be distributed here almost five years to the day that Americans had begun receiving the Salk inoculations.
About this time, another unsung heroine of American medicine, Dr. Sarah Stewart proved that a virus caused cancer. NIH officials, in an attempt to muzzle their whistleblower, had shifted Eddy, a close friend of Stewart's, from working on polio vaccine to doing research on influenza. Nevertheless, Eddy began to quietly perform more tests on polio vaccines.
At an October 1961 meeting in Manhattan of the New York Cancer Society, Eddy made a career-ending move. Without the consent of her superiors, she revealed an even more alarming discovery than her first: both polio vaccines were contaminated with a cancer-causing virus!
Another fiasco even bigger than the first! And one with far-reaching consequences. Between 1955 and 1963, millions of Americans had been injected with, or had swallowed, a substance that caused cancer.
How could this have happened? The answer is that little thought had been given to the possibility that life-threatening viruses could be extracted from kidney cultures along with the polio vaccine.
What was done about it? Not much. Both Salk and Sabin resisted informing the American people of this development. A few heads rolled - but not many. The media paid little attention to this catastrophe. [Since Eddy had predicted that it would take thirty years for the cancers to develop, one might surmise that the medical community felt shielded by the prospect that a connection between the vaccine and a cancer would be difficult to prove.]
Haslam drew up charts from statistics obtained from the National Cancer Institute that show that the epidemic began in the 1985 (1955+30) when cancers of five of the body's soft tissues - the skin, breast, prostate, lymphoma and lung - began a dramatic increase.
He writes, "Remember the dreaded polio epidemic of the 1950s with its 33,000 cases of polio each year. Compare that to these numbers from 1994: 182,000 new cases of breast cancer diagnosed; 200,000 new cases of prostate cancer diagnosed; 500,000 new cases of lung cancer diagnosed. The increase in any one of these diseases in the years since 1985 was greater than the entire polio epidemic at its peak!"
It is a significant part of this expos that these key discoveries were made in national institutions like the NIH based in one particular city. New Orleans was the gateway to the United States for South American countries. Many came to the city for medical treatment. Dr. Ochsner's Clinic, in particular, with its posh accommodations became a destination for Latin America's elite. Ochsner's rabid anti-communism grew out of his personal friendships with dictators like Anastasio Somoza of Nicaragua, Juan Peron of Argentina, and Tomas Gabriel Duque of Panama.
Ochsner was incensed by Fidel Castro's successful 1959 rebellion in Cuba against the US-backed dictator, Fulgencio Batista. Many anti-Castro Cubans and their allies felt that either the 1961 disastrous Bay of Pigs assault or the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis should have occasioned a full-scale invasion of Cuba to "free the Cuban people from the Castro dictatorship." [Of course, none of these people had expressed any concern for the Cuban people when Batista, a real dictator, had been in power.]
A 1976 report from Senator Frank Church's Select Committee on Assassinations showed that the CIA had been busy for more than a decade with inventing new ways to murder Castro. Was using the cancer-causing polio vaccine one of these ideas?
[Douglas's research combined with Haslam's gives us a fairly complete picture that Oswald's activities in New Orleans that portrayed him as a friend of Cuba was part of a plan for Oswald to be involved in carrying out this mission. It also helped set him up to be the "patsy" for President Kennedy's assassination.]
Ochsner had recruited Judyth Vary, a young woman not yet twenty, to work in one of his labs. Almost immediately upon her arrival in New Orleans in May 1963, a bit ahead of her employment date, she became the protg of Lee Harvey Oswald who had recently returned to his native city. He helped Vary get settled and find work. During this period, Vary married her fianc, Robert Baker, who came to the city for the ceremony but left immediately for a summer job in the Gulf of Mexico.
Oswald worked with Ochsner, David Ferrie and the local Mafia boss, Carlos Marcello, as well as the CIA and FBI. Vary noted that the Oswald family had apparently had a long relationship with Marcello. David Ferrie had had a rather checkered career as a seminary student, a pilot for Eastern Airlines, and an operative for the CIA. By the time Vary came to know him, he was wearing a homemade orange wig and painting his eyebrows with a black greasy substance. An unforgettable looking character.
Both Vary and Oswald eventually received cover jobs in the Reily Coffee Company where they could come and go in order to do their undercover work. No questions asked. Even though Oswald was also married, had a small child and another on the way, it was not long before the two began an affair that ended with Lee's murder in November of that year.
Ferrie did experiments on mice in his own apartment, but he also rented another that housed an underground lab. It was here that Vary was soon put to work, inspecting new batches of mice that were brought into the secret lab by one or another of the anti-Castro Cubans who came and went from an upstairs apartment. After destroying the mice with the most advanced tumors, Judyth would remove the tumors, grind them up in a blender and take the mixture to Dr. Sherman's home a few blocks away.
Dr. Sherman's work In New Orleans included teaching at Tulane Medical School, doing operations at Charity Hospital, staffing at several children's hospitals and working in Ochsner's Clinic. It appears that another secret lab was at the US Public Health Hospital. Perhaps Sherman started out to develop a vaccine to cure cancer. But ended up dedicating herself to perfecting a biological weapon from the cancer-causing monkey virus.
According to Vary-Baker, Dr. Sherman, herself, helped convince her that it was their patriotic duty to develop a biological weapon that could kill Castro before he unleashed "nukes" on the United States.
When the virus became fast-acting at killing not only mice but also monkeys, it was determined that it needed to be tried on a human. An inmate at Angola State Prison who volunteered for the experiment was brought to the Jackson State Mental Hospital not far from New Orleans where he died from an injection.
Judyth wrote a letter to Dr. Ochsner, complaining that the inmate did not know the possible consequences of the experiment. An angry Ochsner terminated Judyth as well as Oswald from any further connection to the project. In the fall she went back to Florida to a lab job in Gainesville that Ferrie had found for her. In mid-October, Oswald was transferred to Dallas. The two kept in touch by using Mafia safe lines through an arrangement that Ferrie had worked out.
Oswald told Judyth of the plans to assassinate Kennedy and that he hoped to be able to prevent it. If he came out of it alive he promised that they could carry out their plans to elope to Mexico, get quickie divorces, and get married. Their last conversation was on Wednesday, November 21st, two days before the assassination. Instead, Oswald ended up at the age of twenty-four being the scapegoat for the president's murder and being murdered himself. [James Douglas covers this in his book, The Unspeakable, that has been the subject of an earlier posting on this blog.]
Ferrie called Judyth to tell her that her life would be in danger if she ever told anyone what she knew. [Silent for more than thirty-five years, her book, Me and Lee, is about to be released by Trine Day Books.]
Sherman's grotesquely disfigured body was found in her apartment early in the morning of July 21, 1964. Her right arm had been entirely burned away, leaving only a bone extending from her shoulder. Her right rib cage was gone and her insides lay exposed from her shoulder to her waist. Her face was unrecognizable.
Investigators determined that her body had been taken from another location and placed in her apartment. Incredibly, an autopsy showed that she was still alive after the burn and that the fatal wound had been a stabbing that penetrated her heart. Subsequently, she was stabbed and slashed several times after death and a fire was set in her apartment to make her death look like a random murder or a burglary gone wrong.
The most likely instrument for the hideous incineration of one side of her body was the linear particle accelerator that was secretly installed in the US Public Health Hospital where US Marines guarded it. Sherman would have had access to it and undoubtedly used it in her experiments because the accelerator can be depended upon to weaken a virus with great precision while being relied upon to not kill it.
Was Dr. Mary Sherman killed in July 1964 on the eve of hearings that Warren Commission investigators held in New Orleans because she couldn't be relied on to keep quiet? Neither the motive for her murder nor those responsible for it have ever been identified. In fact, the investigation of her murder was abruptly terminated at the end of two weeks. Who would have had the power to shut it down? [Could the fact that Allen Dulles, a former Director of the CIA, served on the Warren Commission have anything to do with it?]
The story does not end here. Was any use made of this cancer-causing virus? Haslam points out that this virus was labeled SV-40. What about the other 39 viruses found in the vaccine? Was one of them the AIDS virus? If so, how did it get out into the world? Was HIV-1 an undesirable mutation that resulted from using radiation on SV-40? Haslam discusses the ways in which this virus could have gotten into the blood stream of the world's population.
To learn more, go to [I]TrineDay.com (http://www.trineday.com/) to order the book.
[One of the earliest uses of a biological weapon happened in this country at the end of the French and Indian Wars that the British won. The British commander, Jeffrey Amherst, agreed to his lieutenant's request to give smallpox infected blankets to the Native Americans who had fought on the side of the French and were conducting a guerrilla war against Amherst and his troops.]

Ed Jewett
09-28-2010, 08:29 AM
For The Record

FTR #644 Interview with Ed Haslam About Dr. Marys Monkey

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Intro*duc*tion: Con*tin*u*ing our explo*ration of the ground*break*ing research of Ed Haslam (http://spitfirelist.com/?s=%22Ed+Haslam%22), the pro*gram sets forth some of the major points of inves*ti*ga*tion from Eds lat*est book, Dr. Marys Mon*key (http://drmarysmonkey.com/). A New Orleans Native, Ed Haslams life*long inves*tiga*tive path*way (http://www.themonkeyvirus.com/) into events over*lap*ping the milieu of the assas*si*na*tion of Pres*i*dent Kennedy and appar*ently iatro*genic (man-made) epi*demics con*sti*tutes a nar*ra*tive that is both thrilling and ter*ri*fy*ing. Sup*ple*ment*ing and expand*ing an inves*ti*ga*tion first pub*lished in Eds 1996 title Mary, Fer*rie and the Mon*key Virus (http://spitfirelist.com/?p=27), this vol*ume intro*duces the remark*able story of Judyth Vary Baker, a bril*liant can*cer researcher recruited to work on a clan*des*tine project in which viruses were irra*di*ated. Appar*ently inau*gu*rated in order to cre*ate an anti-cancer vac*cine, the project mor*phed into an effort to cre*ate bio*log*i*cal weaponry (http://spitfirelist.com/?tag=bio-weapons), ini*tially to assas*si*nate Fidel Cas*tro and, per*haps, to cre*ate geno*ci*dal weapons. Among Ms. Bakers co-workers in the project were (allegedly) Lee Har*vey Oswald. After a rup*ture with Dr. Arnold Ochsner, the med*ical lumi*nary who presided over the project, Lee allegedly trav*eled to Dal*las to attempt to pre*vent the assas*si*na*tion of Pres*i*dent Kennedy (http://spitfirelist.com/?tag=jfk) by ele*ments of U.S. intel*li*gence. Unsuc*cess*ful, he was framed for the crime and mur*dered before he had a chance to defend him*self. After the 1964 mur*der of Dr. Mary Sher*man, the Ochsner asso*ciate who was a piv*otal mem*ber of the projects staff, the deadly mutated viruses appear to have fallen into the hands of mur*der*ous right-wing extrem*ists con*nected to the intel*li*gence community.
Pro*gram High*lights Include: Syn*op*sis of the impor*tance of the city of New Orleans to Amer*i*can polit*i*cal and eco*nomic infra*struc*ture; dis*cus*sion of the sig*nif*i*cance of New Orleans as a cen*ter for research into trop*i*cal dis*eases; overview of the impor*tance of Tulane Uni*ver*sity for research into trop*i*cal dis*eases; the med*ical and polit*i*cal career of Dr. Alton Ochsner; dis*cus*sion of the careers of three remark*able female med*ical researchers (Mary Sher*man, Sarah Stew*art, Ber*nice Eddy); review of the fun*da*men*tals of the New Orleans com*po*nent of the assas*si*na*tion of JFK; dis*cus*sion of a soft-tissue can*cer epi*demic cur*rently man*i*fest*ing itself in the United States as a result of the con*t*a*m*i*na*tion of the polio vac*cine with a can*cer caus*ing mon*key virus (http://technorati.com/tag/SV40)SV-40; dis*cus*sion of the pos*si*bil*ity that the AIDS epi*demic may be man made (http://spitfirelist.com/index.php?s=biological%20warfare) (FTR#16 (http://www.spitfirelist.com/f016.html) may prove par*tic*u*larly use*ful in research*ing this sub*ject.) The Virus and the Vac*cine (http://tinyurl.com/4nn5uk) by Deb*bie Bookchin and Jim Schu*macher fleshes out the story of the SV-40 con*t*a*m*i*na*tion of the polio vaccine.
http://spitfirelist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/virusvaccine.gif (http://www.thevirusandthevaccine.com/abouttheauthors.html)1. The pro*gram begins with analy*sis of the Cres*cent City as a vital eco*nomic and polit*i*cal engine. The North*ern*most port of the Caribbean and the gate*way to the Mis*sis*sippi Riverthe largest com*mer*cial water*way in the United StatesNew Orleans has long occu*pied a piv*otally impor*tant posi*tion in Amer*i*can eco*nomic infra*struc*ture. With agri*cul*tural prod*ucts such as cof*fee, sugar and bananas com*ing up from Latin Amer*ica and U.S. farm prod*ucts such as corn and wheat, as well as fin*ished indus*trial tools and goods going down to Latin Amer*ica, New Orleans has been a com*mer*cial epicenter.
The eco*nomic power cen*tered in the Cres*cent City pro*duced deriv*a*tive polit*i*cal and national secu*rity influ*ence. The pro*found strate*gic sig*nif*i*cance of the port of New Orleans ele*vated that city andto an extent, the state of Louisianato dis*pro*por*tion*ate influ*ence in both Con*gress and the national secu*rity estab*lish*ment. Among the leg*isla*tive lumi*nar*ies from Louisiana:
. . . F. Edward Hebert, Chair*man of Armed Ser*vices Com*mit*tee of the U.S. House of Rep*re*sen*ta*tives. Taxes start in the House, and bud*gets start in Com*mit*tee. As Chair*man of the House Armed Ser*vices Com*mit*tee, the entire U.S. mil*i*tary bud*get and the vast major*ity of the CIA bud*get started on Heberts desk. One of his jobs was to hide most of the CIA bud*get in the U.S. mil*i*tary bud*get. He was known as the militarys best friend.
Allen Elen*der, had been in the U.S. Sen*ate for over 40 years. He was the senior sen*a*tor when [for*mer Louisiana Gov*er*nor] Huey Long was the junior sen*a*tor in the 1930s. Ellen*der sat on the Armed Ser*vices Com*mit*tee of the U.S. Sen*ate and got Heberts bud*get through the Sen*ate. Between the two, they made sure that Louisiana received its fair share of mil*i*tary and space contracts.
Rus*sell Long, the son of Huey Long, was Major*ity Whip of the U.S. Sen*ate, Chair*man of the Senates pow*er*ful Ways and Means Com*mit*tee, and mem*ber of the Sen*ate Bank*ing Committee.
Hale Boggs, Major*ity Whip of the U.S. House of Rep*re*sen*ta*tives, was the 3rd most pow*er*ful man in that body, and was con*sid*ered by many to be LBJs man-in-the house. . . .
Dr. Marys Mon*key by Ed Haslam; Trine Day [SC]; Copy*right 2007 by Ed Haslam; ISBN 9780-97779530-6; p. 30. (http://ftrreading.blogspot.com/2006/07/dr-marys-monkey.html)
2. The loca*tion of New Orleans and the resul*tant trop*i*cal dis*ease prob*lem it has encoun*tered has made the city a focal point of med*ical research into afflic*tions such as malaria and yel*low fever. Although not as well known as some US insti*tu*tions of higher learn*ing, Tulane Uni*ver*sity has assumed great sig*nif*i*cance in trop*i*cal dis*ease research. Much of that research has involved using pri*mates as exper*i*men*tal subjects.
. . . In Louisiana, the Delta Regional Pri*mate Cen*ter opened its doors in Novem*ber 1964 with Tulane Uni*ver*sity serv*ing as the host insti*tu*tion. This took the mon*key virus research out of down*town New Orleans and put it in 500 wooded acres near Cov*ing*ton, Louisiana across Lake Pontchar*train. Today, that lab*o*ra*tory has over 4,000 pri*mates, thirty sci*en*tists, and 130 sup*port work*ers, plus a pub*lic rela*tions direc*tor whose job it is to boast of the centers virus research espe*cially on AIDS, and to point to the improve*ments in lab secu*rity, such as the high-security zone, where researchers and staff shower and change clothes before approach*ing or leav*ing the 500 mon*keys infected with simian AIDS. . . .
Ibid.; p. 23.
3. Next, Ed syn*op*sizes the career and activ*i*ties of Dr. Alton Ochsner and his lofty stand*ing in the med*ical com*mu*nity. A famous sur*geon who helped to pio*neer blood trans*fu*sion pro*ce*dures, Ochsner became a dom*i*nant influ*ence at Tulane Uni*ver*sity and in New Orleans. Of par*tic*u*lar note was his rela*tion*ship with Latin Amer*i*can elite infrastructure.
. . . The Latin Amer*i*can angle was a nat*ural for a med*ical clinic in New Orleans. And as we noted ear*lier, New Orleans was Americas com*mer*cial pipeline to Latin Amer*ica, and Tulanes rep*u*ta*tion was golden in the region. For a group of Tulane doc*tors to form a med*ical clinic to serve the needs of the Latin elite was great news for those who could step on a plane in their cap*i*tal city and be in New Orleans quicker than most Amer*i*cans. To pro*mote his clinic, Ochsner made over a hun*dred trips to Latin Amer*ica dur*ing his career, and became friends with its rulers. . . . Among his friends, Ochsner counted Anas*ta*sio Somoza, Nicaraguas for*mer Pres*i*dent (and dic*ta*tor), who was run out his coun*try by rev*o*lu*tion*ar*ies in 1979. Thos rela*tion*ship is what one might call a per*sonal one, based on the let*ters in Ochsners per*sonal papers. . . Ochsner and Somoza shared mutual anti-Communist objec*tives. Somozas per*sonal physi*cian, Dr. Henri DeBayle, sat on the Board of Direc*tors of Guy Banisters infa*mous Anti-Communist League of the Caribbean. Another patient was Juan Peron the pres*i*dent (and dic*ta*tor) of Argentina. Fol*low*ing the lead of these dic*ta*tors came the oli*garchies of Latin Amer*i*can coun*tries, which had not devel*oped their own health care systems. . . .
Ibid.; pp. 178179.
4. Ed out*lined Ochsners reac*tionary polit*i*cal ori*en*ta*tion, includ*ing his oppo*si*tion to the civil rights move*ment and, above all, his mil*i*tant anti-Communism, which led him to found INCAthe Infor*ma*tion Coun*cil of the Amer*i*cas. An appar*ent intel*li*gence front, INCA recorded an inter*view on New Orleans radio sta*tion WDSU fea*tur*ing Lee Har*vey Oswald pro*claim*ing his sup*posed Marx*ist sym*pa*thies. (To hear this inter*view and back*ground infor*ma*tion about INCA, see FTR#621 (http://www.spitfirelist.com/f621.html).) Ochsner devel*oped numer*ous links to the intel*li*gence com*mu*nity as the Cold War progressed.
. . . In Octo*ber 1959, after two years of work*ing in a Sen*si*tive Posi*tion, pre*sum*ably with the FBI, the FBI con*ducted yet another Sen*si*tive Posi*tion inves*ti*ga*tion on Ochsner and for*warded their find*ings to an unnamed U.S. gov*ern*ment agency. Sev*eral days later, on Octo*ber 21, 1959, the FBI, free*ing him up to accept an assign*ment from the other undis*closed agency. So what was hap*pen*ing in 1957 and 1959? Why would they have needed the ser*vices of a doc*tor? And what did they need from this doc*tor that they could not get from the legions of other doc*tors already work*ing for the U.S. gov*ern*ment in one capac*ity or another? These are impor*tant questions. . . .
Ibid.; p. 182.
5. The impor*tant ques*tions noted above receive a two-track answer in Eds book. In New Orleans, we view the con*flu*ence of the covert oper*a*tions being con*ducted against the regime of Fidel Cas*tro in Cuba with attempts at deriv*ing a vac*cine to neu*tral*ize a deadly, cancer-causing viral con*t*a*m*i*nant in the polio vac*cine admin*is*tered to mil*lions of Amer*i*cans. One of the major focal points of Dr. Marys Mon*key con*cerns the SV-40, a simian ver*sion of the deadly poly*oma virus which causes mul*ti*ple can*cers in mul*ti*ple species. Because the polio vaccines virus was grown on mon*key kid*neys, SV-40 found its way into the vac*cine when the polio viruses were har*vested for vac*cine pro*duc*tion. Out*lin*ing the story of the con*t*a*m*i*na*tion of the polio vac*cine with SV-40, Ed presents that account in con*junc*tion with the story of three remark*able female physiciansDr.s Sarah Stew*art, Ber*nice Eddy and Mary Sher*man. After dis*cussing the fail*ure of the ini*tial polio vac*cine, Ed writes:
. . . In the after*math of the deba*cle, Ber*nice Eddy was taken off polio research and trans*ferred to the influenza sec*tion by the thank*less NIH man*age*ment. She shared her frus*tra*tions with a small group of women sci*en*tists who ate brown-bag lunches on the steps of one of the lab*o*ra*to*ries. There Eddy met a tena*cious sci*en*tist named Stew*art, M.D., PhD., who was wag*ing her own bat*tle against the offi*cial par*a*digms of bureau*cratic med*i*cine. Ber*nice Eddy and Sarah Stew*art became close friends.
Sarah Stewarts name remains vir*tu*ally unknown today, despite her huge con*tri*bu*tion to mod*ern med*i*cine. Not only did she prove that some can*cers were caused by viruses, but sub*se*quent research on the virus she dis*cov*ered led to the dis*cov*ery of DNA recom*bi*na*tion, which is one of the most pow*er*ful tools in med*ical research today. . . .
Ibid.; p. 204.
6. More about Dr.s Eddy, Stew*art and their dis*cov*ery of Poly*oma and the SV-40 con*t*a*m*i*na*tion of the polio vaccine:
. . . In 1957, Stew*art and Eddy dis*cov*ered the poly*oma virus, which pro*duced sev*eral types of can*cer in a vari*ety of small mam*mals. Poly*oma proved that some can*cers were indeed caused by viruses. Her dis*cov*ery offi*cially threw open the doors of can*cer virol*ogy. . . . But it raised some dark ques*tions about ear*lier deeds. Before long, Yales lab*o*ra*tory dis*cov*ered that the poly*oma virus that had pro*duced the can*cer in Stewarts mice and ham*sters turned out to act like Simian Virus #40 (SV-40), a mon*key virus that caused cancer.
In June 1959, Ber*nice Eddy, who was still offi*cially to the flu vac*cine project, began think*ing about the polio vac*cine again. This time she was wor*ried about some*thing much deeper than polio. The vaccines man*u*fac*tur*ers had grown their polio viruses on the kid*neys of mon*keys. And when they removed the polio virus from the mon*keys kid*neys, they also removed an unknown num*ber of other mon*key viruses. . . . Eddy grew sus*pi*cious of the polio vac*cine and asked an excru*ci*at*ing ques*tion: Had they inoc*u*lated an entire gen*er*a*tion of Amer*i*cans with cancer-causing mon*key viruses? She con*ducted her research qui*etly, with*out alert*ing her NIH super*vi*sors. . . .Her impli*ca*tion was clear: There were cancer-causing mon*key viruses in the polio vaccine! . . .
Ibid.; pp. 2067.
7. Like Dr.s Eddy and Stew*art, Dr. Mary Sher*man should be a focal point of seri*ous fem*i*nist research. These women achieved pro*foundly sig*nif*i*cant gains in the field of med*ical research at a time when pro*fes*sional advance*ment for women was dif*fi*cult. Dr. Sher*man even*tu*ally landed in New Orleans as a pro*tege of Dr. Alton Ochsner. Ed the*o*rizes that her net*work*ing with NIH mem*bers, includ*ing Sarah Stew*art, may have resulted in her par*tic*i*pa*tion in a project to irra*di*ate viruses in hope of devel*op*ing a vac*cine to pre*vent the pro*jected HIV-generated can*cer epidemic:
. . . [Intel*li*gence agent and Gar*ri*son inves*tiga*tive tar*get David] Fer*rie and the angry Cuban exiles may have been will*ing to develop a bio*log*i*cal weapon to kill Cas*tro, but I per*son*ally had not thought that Dr. Mary Sher*man (or the other doc*tors) would have know*ingly been party to the secret devel*op*ment of a bio*log*i*cal weapon. I did, how*ever, think that she might have been will*ing to be part of a covert effort to pre*vent an epi*demic of can*cer! Espe*cially, if com*pe*tent can*cer researchers whom she per*son*ally knew and trusted thought it was pos*si*ble, and if she believed that bureau*cratic pol*i*tics or pro*ce*dures were ham*per*ing the process at the national level. They Key Words are knew and trusted. . . . Mary Sher*man and Sarah Stew*art were friends and class*mates in Chicago for three years. . . . .
Ibid.; pp. 2189.
8. In New Orleans largely as a result of her pro*fes*sional rela*tion*ship with Dr. Ochsner, Sher*man crossed into the world of covert oper*a*tions because of that same rela*tion*ship. As seen above, Ochsner was very polit*i*cally active and well con*nected with the national secu*rity estab*lish*ment. Part of the anti-Castro covert oper*a*tions milieu in New Orleans, Ochsner appears to have been involved withamong other activitiesan attempt at irra*di*at*ing viruses in order to cre*ate a bio*log*i*cal weapon with which to kill Fidel Cas*tro. This alle*ga*tion comes from yet another bril*liant female can*cer researcher, Judyth Vary Baker. A sci*en*tific prodigy, Judyths can*cer research drew the atten*tion of top med*ical author*i*ties while she was still in high school. Judyth Vary Baker con*tends that she, Dr. Sher*man, Lee Har*vey Oswald, Dr. Alton Oschner and David Fer*rie were work*ing on a project to use irra*di*ated viruses to develop a bio*log*i*cal war*fare agent to kill Cas*tro. The oper*a*tion was pig*gy*backed on the project to pro*duce the can*cer vaccine.
. . . Was Judyth the tech*ni*cian in David Ferries under*ground med*ical lab*o*ra*tory? She admits that she was, despite the obvi*ous legal, eth*i*cal and secu*rity con*se*quences of doing so. Were they irra*di*at*ing cancer-causing viruses to develop a bio*log*i*cal weapon? Judyth par*tic*i*pated in that oper*a*tion, and has said that their use of radi*a*tion was both delib*er*ate and cen*tral to the design of the project. Was the oper*a*tion in David Ferries apart*ment con*nected to an oper*a*tion at the U.S. Pub*lic Health Hos*pi*tal? Judyth says it was. . . .
Ibid.; p. 305.
9. With polit*i*cal extrem*ists of Ferries ilk in charge of the deadly viruses being made under the aus*pices of the project, the organ*isms may have been used in a geno*ci*dal, ethnic-cleansing application.
. . . The Ferrie-Sherman under*ground med*ical lab*o*ra*tory may have started with the noble and patri*otic mis*sion of pre*vent*ing an epi*demic of can*cer in Amer*ica; but once the work started, once the power to move can*cer from ani*mal to ani*mal was estab*lished, once the abil*ity to change viruses genet*i*cally was demon*strated, once the more vir*u*lent viral strains were iso*lated, once the means of trans*mis*sion was estab*lished, once Mary Sher*man died, and once [intel*li*gence agent and anti-Castro oper*a*tive] Guy Ban*is*ter died, then the lab*o*ra*tory, the ani*mals and the viruses were left in the hands of David Fer*rie. He could eas*ily have per*verted the labs resources into a bio*log*i*cal weapon if he wished to do so, pick*ing the most vir*u*lent strains and deliv*er*ing them to a tar*get. . . Given his his*tory of vio*lent polit*i*cal acg*tivigties and his record of men*tal insta*bil*ity, the ques*tion is dis*turb*ing: What would David Fer*rie do if he real*ized he held the power to change his*tory in his hands? . . .
Ibid.; pp. 28081.
10. Through*out the pro*gram, Ed fills in the pic*ture of David Fer*rie (http://spitfirelist.com/?s=%22David+Ferrie%22), his long*stand*ing work for ele*ments of U.S. intel*li*gence, his work for New Orleans crime boss Car*los Mar*cello, as well as his rela*tion*ship to the milieu of the JFK assassination.
11. Ed the*o*rizes that AIDS may have stemmed from the irra*di*a*tion of viruses under the janus-faced can*cer research/biological war*fare project:
. . . SIV is the Simian Immun*od*e*fi*ciency Virus, one of sev*eral mon*key Viruses known to have con*t*a*m*i*nated the polio vac*cine. The more car*cino*genic SV-40 has received most of the press. SIV, a single-strand RNA retro*virus, is con*sid*er*ably smaller than SV-40 (a double-strand DNA virus). The tech*nol*ogy of the 1950s was not able to fil*ter SIV from the viral extracts. Fur*ther, researchers of the day did not con*sider retro*viruses to be dan*ger*ous, so they basi*cally ignored them. AIDS has taught us how dan*ger*ous retro*viruses can be. If the project in New Orleans was inten*tion*ally expos*ing SV-40 to radi*a*tion they have exposed SIV to radi*a*tion at the same time. Sim*ply stated, HIV-1 is a mutated form of SIV. Did the muta*tion which changed SIV into HIV-1 occur when SV-40 was exposed to radi*a*tion? Was this the moment of con*cep*tion of AIDS? Could this artificially-induced muta*tion explain why HIV-1 is mutat*ing so rapidly? Why it is behav*ing so unnaturally? . . . .
Ibid.; p. 305.
12. Using the National Can*cer Institutes own sta*tis*tics for the inci*dence of can*cer from 1973 to 1988, Ed came to some very dis*turb*ing conclusions:
. . . Was [Dr. Ber*nice] Eddys pre*dic*tion of a can*cer epi*demic accu*rate? Did the epi*demic ever hap*pen? If it did, wouldnt it show up in the can*cer sta*tis*tics? . . . A real epi*demic should be easy to spot due to its size. So I dug out the can*cer sta*tis*tics pub*lished by the National Can*cer Insti*tute in 1989 and started related lit*er*a*ture. Two things became clear: 1. We were los*ing the War on Can*cer, and 2. We were in the midst of an ongo*ing can*cer epidemic. . .
Ibid.; pp. 210211.
13. One of the most intrigu*ing aspects of the book is Eds search for the lin*ear par*ti*cle accel*er*a*tor used to mutate the viruses. It was located at the U.S. Pub*lic Health Ser*vice Hos*pi*tal in New Orleans. It was a defect in this par*ti*cle acceleratordeliberate sab*o*tage in Eds opinionthat killed Dr. Mary Sher*man. The offi*cial story of Dr. Shermans mur*der has it that she was mur*dered by a sex*ual preda*tor and her body set afire. As Ed notes, that could not account for the severe burns on the body, that could only have been gen*er*ated by tremen*dous heat. For a more com*plete under*stand*ing of the foren*sic evi*dence in Dr. Shermans mur*der and the story of Eds hunt for the loca*tion of the lin*ear par*ti*cle accel*er*a*tor, read the book!
. . . If Mary Sher*man was killed by a lin*ear par*ti*cle accel*er*a*tor, then the cen*tral ques*tion was clear: Where was the lin*ear par*ti*cle accel*er*a*tor located? and then a series of related ques*tions: Upon whose prop*erty did Mary Sher*man die? Whose rep*u*ta*tion was her masquerade-murder intended to pro*tect? Upon whose author*ity was the inves*ti*ga*tion into her mur*der shut down? I thought about these ques*tions each time I looked at the book, and I won*dered if I would ever find the answers. . . .
Ibid.; p. 245.
14. It appears that some of the viruses mutated in the project were suc*cess*fully tested on a prison inmate vol*un*teer. Judyths objec*tions to the test led to a break between Ochsner on the one hand and Baker and asso*ciate (and lover) Oswald on the other.
. . . The Sherman-Ferrie-Vary exper*i*ments suc*cess*fully cre*ated aggres*sive can*cers in mice and (at Judyths sug*ges*tion) these new can*cers were tested on mon*keys. They worked, killing the mon*keys quickly. But there was a miss*ing linkthey needed to know if their can*cer cock*tail would actu*ally kill a human. It was decided to test their con*coc*tion on a pris*oner from Louisianas Angola State Pen*i*ten*tiary who had vol*un*teered for the exper*i*ment . They brought him to the Jack*son State Men*tal Hos*pi*tal (near Clin*ton, Lou*siana) where he was injected with their new bio-weapon, and died. . . It was a seri*ous tac*ti*cal error on her part, but Judyth has always been very strong-willed and uncom*pro*mis*ing on cer*tain issues. Dr. Ochsner was equally strong-willed and uncom*pro*mis*ing in his response, before slam*ming the tele*phone down: You and Lee are expendable! . . .
Ibid.; p. 325.
15. Hav*ing orig*i*nally assumed his pro-Castro/communist cover in order to deliver the bio*log*i*cal weapon to Cuba in order to kill Cas*tro [accord*ing to Baker], Oswald then attempted to inter*dict an attempt to kill Kennedy in Dal*las. Instead he was killed and framed for the crime. The pro-Castro cover, arranged by Ochsner, INCA et al. pro*vided a per*fect ruse for cov*er*ing up the crime by mak*ing it look as though a com*mu*nist had done it.
. . . Judyths phone con*ver*sa*tions with Lee Oswald con*tin*ued until Wednes*day, Nov. 20, 1963. Dur*ing the final emo*tional phone call, Lee made it clear to Judyth that there would be a real attempt to kill Pres*i*dent Kennedy on Fri*day at one of three loca*tions in Dal*las. Lee told Judyth that he believed a man named David Atlee Phillips was orga*niz*ing it. He told Judyth to remem*ber the name. How*ever he got there, Lee was now inside the assas*si*na*tion plot try*ing to kill Pres*i*dent Kennedy, and con*sid*ered it his duty to stay in posi*tion and under*cover until it was over, telling Judyth, If I stay, there will be one less bul*let fired at Kennedy. . . .
Ibid.; p. 327.

John Kowalski
09-29-2010, 11:47 PM
Magda:

I read the book, a fascinating story, though I really doubt the part about JVB.

John

James H. Fetzer
10-30-2010, 03:58 AM
I asked an expert on psyops to read ME & LEE. I do not mean to
imply that he is flawless, but I have found him to be reliable as
a source about a lot of matters where he knows a lot more than I.



Jim, I just finished reading "Lee and Me" by Judyth Vary Baker

which you sent me. I have many thoughts about it, but here are

my initial reactions:




1---This book is a monumental achievement that intel never

thought could happen and worked hard to see that Judyth's

story would never see the light of day. Cutouts, phony

JFK reserchers has also been used to try and discredit

JVB's story as well as vicious smear campaigns.


No matter what the critics can say or have said before it was

published, this book cuts through their lies like a red hot knife

through a block of butter. The evidence provided in this book and

available from other sources support it fully. So if critics can't

handle that, then too bad. Just like when Oliver Stone's movie

JFK was announced to be in production, the intel cutouts and

sympathizers started their campaigns to discredit the movie and

the evidence.



2---JBV is a survivor of unbelievably intense levels of manipulation,

processing and harassment using sophisticated psyops which has

continued ever since her days in New Orleans. She has most

likely always had a case officer assigned to watch her movements

and supervise her management by psyops, mini-psyops and

mini-cointelpro type actions.


This book is a celebration of the victory of JVB's life over evil.

She has beaten the deck stacked against her and has now

triumphed. This book is her victory celebration and confetti

parade all in one and is a big kick in the face to intel and those

that abused and persecuted her for so many years. Anyone who

is well informed about how intel uses psyops and mindkontrol to

manipulate their victims, will realize that everything JVB has written

about it in this book and her other postings on the internet fits 100%

with the way intel typically does business and harasses witnesses.



3---JVB is truly a genius and was selected by intel early on for special use

by intel. She was set to become a great American physician and

medical researcher for cancer, and her career was stolen from her

by evil, self serving men who used the war against communism and

the cold war to justify their rampant evil acts which culminated in the

murder of JFK, and the murders of LHO, Jack Ruby, Dorothy Kilgallen

and many other witnesses.



4---JVB's meeting with LHO was not a chance occurrence and like all her

events in New Orleans was planned and manipulated by intel.



5---JVB was a young, immature girl who was played according to her

emotion needs and processed very cruelly in order to be manipulated

and used by intel. One use was to keep LHO occupied and distracted

so that he would cooperate with "the plan", and he was used also to

keep JVB occupied and locked into the plan.



6---The book is disturbing, grotesque and alarming in what it reveals about

the fusion between intel, the military, the mob, academia, federal and

local govt, the courts, and intel. It reveals the vicious, murderous

underbelly of how the govt really operates and documents how the

actual transformation of our nation from a Republic to

fascist/stasi military run dictatorship occurred.



7---This excellent book shows how some of the most vicious and evil acts

were rationalized under the "fight against communism" and how every

rule of law was violated with no respect for human rights.



8---This book fills in many of the blanks that show beyond any reasonable

doubt that JVB has been telling the truth about her relationship with

LHO, and that LHO never did try and kill JFK, that he was set up as a

mindkontrolled patsy, processed by use of sophisticated psyops.



9---For the first time, the tradecraft of how intel agents are recruited,

processed, and manipulated is disclosed in step by step detail, which

itself is a major disclosure to the uninformed public who wants to

learn how this is done.



10---The book shows beyond any reasonable doubt the LHO was a

PROFESSIONAL INTEL OPERATIVE trained to use sex as a tool

to recruit and control (he did admit to JVB that he had sex with the

lady in Mexico for intel purposes). It shows how once one becomes

a professional intel operative, they can easily be reassigned (ie detailed)

to many other of the over 37 intel agencies of the US shadow govt,

many of which are now privatized (it has been estimated that approx.

80% of all US intel, psyops, and black ops have now been privatized).

LHO was recruited and trained by naval intel which owned him and

detailed him to his assignment in New Orleans which was probably

the FBI, although he likely worked with the CIA and Mob on a regular

basis too.



11--The book shows how sophisticated psyops was used to recruit and

manipulate Dr. Ochsner also and how he was pulled into the system

fighting communism. JVB's descriptions of INCA are important and

show how intel has infiltrated medicine, academia in the US and

foreign countries.



12--This excellent book shows how intel provides the rewards and

ego stroking needed to reinforcement commitment to their agenda

by the various players. All had to be promised a carrot on the end

of a stick which they could never quite each, consume or attain.



13--This excellent book shows that nothing has really changed since

the coup de etat surrounding JFK's murder brought in a whole

new form of govt (which is really the oldest form of govt, a military

dictatorship, only this time with hidden controllers buried in the

shadow govt). We now has a nazi/stasi fascist dictatorship that

is still in place with the same power groups pulling the strings and

all these groups are organized into what Ike called the "military

industrial complex", best referred to as the shadow govt (and

best described by Richard Boylan, Ph.D.).


After reading this excellent book it is easy to understand why intel

never wanted this information about their tradecraft exposed, and

never wanted the evidence that shows LHO was completely innocent

of the allegations he killed JFK to be available for all to examine.

Intel stopped "60 Minutes" and prevented the History channel from

re-broadcasting the "guilty men" segment as well as the segment

on JVB. This book explains why.

James H. Fetzer
10-30-2010, 04:07 AM
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2010/10/28/after-wall-street-ii-oliver-stone-should

After Wall Street II Oliver Stone should do JFK II The last key witness has finally been found
October 28th, 2010

Roland Michel Tremblay

The last key witness that Oliver Stone mentioned in the film "JFK" (1991), the one who could have solved and proved the conspiracy surrounding JFK's assassination, has finally been found. Her name is Judyth Vary Baker and her 606 page testimony titled "Me & Lee, How I came to know, love and lose Lee Harvey Oswald" has just been published at Trine Day Press. Jim Marrs, the long-time investigator and author of the New York Times bestseller "Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy", upon which the "JFK" film was based, asked in the afterword of Baker's book how she can still be alive today. Good question.

It has not been easy. Baker decided to talk after 36 years of frightened silence, but after being confronted with death threats she had to leave the United States. She returned to the US twice, only to flee overseas due to ongoing stalking, harassment and several hospitalizations caused by what Marrs termed "freak accidents." In 2007 she was accepted as a political asylum seeker in Europe, the first ever non-combatant American woman to succeed in gaining asylum seeker status in the world. She is still struggling with character assassination over the Internet by people intent on destroying her as a credible witness, but her book is out now, and it changes everything. So much so that Oliver Stone could finally do a final and less static version of his film. Instead of telling us about what might have happened, he could now show us what really happened in 1963 in New Orleans and Dallas.

What happened is far more impressive and sinister than anyone could have imagined. Beyond the facts that the death of JFK opened the way to more wars, such as in Vietnam, ostensibly to fight communism while enriching the war industry, with the Mafia free of Bobby Kennedy's pesky presence countering corruption, we now know there is now a whole new angle to the story. And it is perhaps more important and worrying than even the assassination of a beloved President. Behind it all was the development of a biological weapon capable of killing anyone by injecting virulent cancer cells. Any such murder would, of course, look like a natural death.

This is what Lee Harvey Oswald, a US government agent, was working on with Judyth Vary Baker in the summer of 1963 in New Orleans, along with David Ferrie, Dr. Mary Sherman, and Dr. Alton Ochsner from the Ochsner Clinic, with the government and the Mafia waiting in the wings. That fact alone warranted that many witnesses had to be eliminated. If you check carefully, two of these witnesses died of a powerful cancer that spread quickly, without detection, that death ensued soon after its diagnosis -- the assassin of Oswald, Jack Ruby, who claimed to have been injected with cancer cells, and Clay Shaw, the central figure in the Garrison trial in Stone's movie, "JFK", who died in Ochsner's Clinic and was buried within 24 hours. Part of the whole story had been previously published in another significant book -- "Dr. Mary's Monkey" -- written by Edward T. Haslam. "Dr. Mary's Monkey" has become an underground bestseller. Haslam, the son of a prominent New Orleans doctor, wrote the foreword to Baker's book.

The extraordinary story of Judyth Vary Baker certainly came as a surprise to all main investigators, who had never heard of her before, although there are actually many oblique references to her in the extant body of evidence, as well as living witnesses who have verified that she was Oswald's close companion and lover in the months before the JFK assassination. Some still insist she made it all up, while others have concocted see-through lies to discredit her, preferring to protect their own theories and book sales. Strikingly, after nearly 50 years, new evidence and witnesses such as Baker are still being largely ignored in favor of well-financed TV specials and YouTube presentations. Foremost in these efforts is Vincent Bugliosi, who received a million dollars for his book, "Reclaiming History", which supports the Warren Commission's findings, and Gerald Posner (recently indicted for blatant plagiarism). Close at their heels is Gary Mack, whose robust six-figure salary at the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas depends on defending the so-called "sniper's nest" theory despite overwhelming new evidence that Kennedy was assassinated by a bullet from the Grassy Knoll. To this day, witnesses such as Baker are still not safe or free to talk, just like most significant classified information about the matter has still been kept from the public.

"How many authors do not dare have book signings?" Baker asked. "For my own safety, I'm unable to do so." Baker has turned down countless requests for interviews: in the past seven years since the History Channel presented Baker's story in a documentary ("The Love Affair"), only Dr. James Fetzer has managed to get an interview with her. Now that Baker's book has been published, it will become evident to all that no one could possibly make this up, especially when it answers and brings together all the pieces of a puzzle that so many have tried, unsuccessfully, to solve over the years. Those who read the book will also understand why so many witnesses died mysteriously, one by one, following the double assassination of JFK and Oswald, and why the various official investigations conducted were charged to convince the public that a demented lone nut -- Lee Harvey Oswald -- was Kennedy's assassin. If Jim Marrs, Edward T. Haslam, Fetzer and the producers of "The Love Affair" were convinced that Judyth Vary Baker was telling the truth, it was because she has told her story with striking candor, with a large amount of evidence supporting her testimony.

Judyth Vary Baker had only one wish when she was a young and promising lab researcher hired by Dr. Ochsner -- to discover a cure for cancer -- and everyone believed then that she could do it. She and her fellow research associates were led to believe that the New Orleans Project -- developing a biological weapon designed to assassinate Fidel Castro -- could have prevented the death of JFK and World War Three. Then, after Kennedy was killed, she was told to keep her mouth shut and to never again work in cancer research. But the little girl from Bradenton Florida still has up-to-date knowledge of the research being done today. "I still believe I could cure certain kinds of soft tissue cancers inexpensively," she says, "within five years, using modified bacteriophages." Bacteriophages are simple viruses that literally 'eat' bacteria, Baker explained, but they could be "genetically altered" to seek out certain cancers and literally eat them alive. "Bacteriophage therapy could also be applied to fight bacterial diseases such as tuberculosis," she said. "Resistance to antibiotics is becoming a problem that bacteriophage research could very possibly solve."

But Baker fears that as long as so much cancer research is financed by private pharmaceutical companies, that expensive chemotherapy will continue to be the center of research efforts, since bacteriophage therapy would be much cheaper and therefore less profitable. "We could have cured cancer decades ago," Baker insists. Because of the "profit factor," Baker believes that "if we ever develop an inexpensive cure for cancer, it will be due to independent research at universities, or in government-funded labs. An inexpensive treatment, such as one involving the direct use of bacteriophage, will not come from Big Pharma."

Me & Lee: How I Came to Know, Love and Lose Lee Harvey Oswald by Judyth Vary Baker (www.judythvarybaker.com (http://www.judythvarybaker.com)) and Dr. Mary's Monkey by Edward T. Haslam (www.doctormarysmonkey.com (http://www.doctormarysmonkey.com)) and Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy by Jim Marrs, offer the big picture --and finally link together -- all the major players in the conspiracy surrounding JFK's assassination. It is time for us to appreciate what transpired then and draw parallels as to what is happening today. Oliver Stone should produce "JFK II" so we can be aware and move on to real and tangible change and a durable peace. Such was, after all, the main dream of John F. Kennedy.

James H. Fetzer
10-30-2010, 04:18 AM
It is just possible that Judyth's book is going to make an impression with the public, in spite of skepticism from some quarters within the JFK community.

http://moralphilosophyofcurrentevents.blogspot.com/2010/10/judyth-vary-bakers-long-awaited-book.html

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010
Judyth Vary Baker's Long Awaited Book Now Available

Me & Lee: How I came to know love and lose Lee Harvey Oswald (Waterville, Oregon, Trine Day LLC, 2010) by Judyth Vary Baker is now publicly available and can be purchased through amazon.com HERE...

I read Edward Haslam's related book, Dr. Mary's Monkey (Waterville, Oregon, Trine Day LLC, 2007) a while back and had been eagerly anticipating my copy of Baker's book. It arrived roughly 10 days ago and I have now finished a careful methodical review. I found it to be well written, extremely englightening, full of complexity and overall a fascinating read. Judyth Baker's story is both inspiring and tragic.

Needless to say the assertions that Judtyh Vary Baker makes with regard to Lee Harvey Oswald's character, his involvement in concert with Baker, Dr. Alton Ochsner, Dr. Mary Sherman, David Ferrie and others in the clandestine project to develop a bioweapon in the summer of 1963 with which to kill Fidel Castro, Oswald's infiltration of the plot to kill President Kennedy and his alleged attempts to stop the assassination of JFK are earthshaking if true as they will alter the JFK Assassination research community landscape and US political history permanently.

I am currently in the process of writing a detailed review of Me and Lee which I will publish upon completion. I wholeheartedly recommend purchasing a copy of Baker's book to anyone who is interested in finding the truth about what happened to the 35th President of the United States and the American Republic thereafter. Given the deplorable state of affairs in contemporary America, Ms. Baker's book is fortuitous and timely.

To view multiple video interviews of Judyth Vary Baker see THIS...

--Dr. J. P. Hubert

http://moralphilosophyofcurrentevents.blogspot.com/2007/09/president-vows-to-veto-chips-bill.html

Judith Vary Baker, Lee Harvey Oswald, the JFK Assassination, Monkey Virus Induced Cancer and Dr. Mary Sherman

Editor's NOTE:

I have read Edward Haslem's book (Dr. Mary's Monkey: How the unsolved murder of a doctor, a secret laboratory in New Orleans and cancer-causing monkey viruses are linked to Lee Harvey Oswald, the JFK assassination and emerging global epidemics, Edward T. Haslam, IPG, 2007) which documents the history of the development of the Salk Poliomyelitis (virus) vaccine and the contamination of the vaccine with Monkey virus ([SV 40, the abbreviation for Simian Virus 40], also known as Polyoma virus) which has been found to induce cancer in humans.

Haslem's book also outlines the work of one Judyth Vary Baker who participated in a clandestine biowarfare project in New Orleans (summer 1963) the intention of which was to develop a fast-acting cancer with which to kill Fidel Castro. The project was headed by famed New Orleans surgeon Dr. Alton Ochsner and the "hands on" director was cancer researcher Dr. Mary Sherman.

Haslam has extensively investigated the claims of Baker who alleges that Lee Harvey Oswald was involved in the project with her, Dr. Mary Sherman as well as David Ferrie and that Oswald and Baker had a romantic afair during the summer of 1963. He reports that Sherman was involved in irradiating cancer causing monkey viruses utilizing a linear particle accelerator which he proved was housed in a Microbiology laboratory in one of the Public Health Service buildings in New Orleans in 1963.

Haslam also suggests that the AIDs crisis may be related to covert biowarfare related research conducted in the 1950's and 1960's.

The following video's contain some of the Judyth Vary Baker interviews conducted by JFK Assassination researcher Dr. James Fetzer and an interview of Ed Haslem by Wim Dankbaar and Jim Marrs (who wrote the forward to Haslem's book).

--Dr. J. P. Hubert

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Update on Judyth Vary Baker's Book: Ed Haslam Interviewed by Professor Jim Fetzer

Famed Surgeon and Former Head of American Cancer Society Engaged in Crimes Against Humanity if Judyth Vary Baker's Allegations are True!

Since my previous post, noted JFK Assasination researcher and author Professor James H. Fetzer has completed a fascinating radio interview with Ed Haslam the author of Dr. Mary's Monkey (TrineDay, Waterville, Oregon: 2007) regarding Judyth Vary Baker's new book; Me and Lee (TrineDay, Waterville, Oregon: 2010).

Ed Haslam has provided an incredible radio summary of Judyth's book which has further improved my understanding of the material covered in Me and Lee. I wholeheartedly recommend the radio interviw to readers. At this point I have only a few additional questions I would appreciate obtaining the answers to.

One of the most egregious and unethical things ever to have been done to an impressionable young and burgeoning medical scientist is what Dr. Alton Ochsner allegedly did to Judyth Vary Baker after she objected on moral grounds to the testing of their bioweapon on unsuspecting prisoner's. He purportedly not only ended her career in Medicine but threatened to do physical harm to her if she did not complete her part of the project at the Prison and remain quiet about what she had been involved in.

If Judyth Vary Baker's testimony is true, Ochsner violated international humanitarian as well as US law by directing that prisoners be injected with the weaponized cancer causing virus in the absense of their consent and violated the Hippocratic oath he undoubtedly took as a physician to first "do no harm."

The actions ostensibly undertaken by David Ferrie in clandestinely injecting prisoner's with the cancer-causing virus at Dr. Alton Ochsner's request was a crime against humanity, one which is comparable to the Nazi human experiments so forcefully repudiated at the Nazi War Crimes Tribunal after World War II.

It bears repeating, It is always and everywhere morally wrong to intentionally harm a patient irrespective of the circumstances. The alleged prisoners in question were utilized as human test animals the result of which was their death(s). In this case, a successful human experiment would of necessity demand the death of the subject--a situation which is beyond the pale for any medical doctor to have been involved in let alone one of such fame and professional reputation. It is truly unfortunate that this case was not brought to the Hague or other international criminal court of justice. Presumably, Dr. Alton Ochsner could be tried in absentia even at this late date.

Haslam who edited and wrote the forward to Judyth's book firmly believes in the truthfulness of her claims as does Professor Fetzer, and acclaimed JFK Assassination author Jim Marrs.

To listen to the interview, proceed HERE...

Needless to say, Judyth's story would make an excellent sequel to Oliver Stone's movie JFK as would the material which Ed Haslam presented in his book Dr. Mary's Monkey.

--Dr. J. P. Hubert, MD FACS

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10-30-2010, 04:24 AM
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5.0 out of 5 stars Poignant, compelling, and convincing (about the real Lee), October 20, 2010
By James H. Fetzer (Oregon, WI USA) - See all my reviews
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This review is from: Me & Lee: How I Came to Know, Love and Lose Lee Harvey Oswald (Hardcover)

As it happens, I have been privileged to know Judyth Vary Baker for several years now. I have interviewed her at least fifteen times on YouTube and featured her in blogs (which are archived at JamesFetzerNews and [...]). I also initiated a thread about her on The Education Forum, which had thousands of posts and became the longest thread in the history of the forum. I am convinced that she is "the real deal", which is also the name of my radio show, which is archived at [...]. But all fifteen can be found at [...].

I have done extensive research on the death of JFK, including editing ASSASSINATION SCIENCE (1998), MURDER IN DEALEY PLAZA (2000), and THE GREAT ZAPRUDER HOAX (2003). My recent publications on JFK include "JFK and RFK: The Plots that Killed Them, The Patsies that Didn't", "The Dartmouth JFK-Photo Fiasco" with Jim Marrs, and "RFK: Outing the CIA at the Ambassador", which has just appeared. (Just google "John F. Kennedy: History, Memory, Legacy", and download Chapter 30, "Revisiting Dealey Plaza: What Happened to JFK?" for an overview.) I am familiar with the twists and turns of assassination research and of the extent of the effort to keep Judyth's story from the American public, which have even forced her to live in exile.

In my opinion, there are three major reasons for these attempts to silence her. The first is that she humanizes the alleged assassin, which makes it more difficult for the government to continue with its charade that he was "a lone, demented gunman". The second is that it exposes methods and techniques employed by the agency to keep its covert activities in the background and away from public scrutiny. The third is that she exposes research to develop a bio-weapon to murder Fidel Castro and make it appear to have been due to "natural causes" under the direction of Alton Ochsner, M.D., Dr. Mary Sherman, David Ferrie, Lee Oswald, and herself. Lee was working for the very agencies that would ultimately frame him.

This is a gripping and absolutely compelling story told with emotional intensity and stunning candor. We already knew that the weapon he was alleged to have used cannot have fired the bullets that killed JFK. We also knew that he was on the 2nd floor in the lunchroom at the time of the shooting. We also know that he admired JFK and bore him no malice. Which means the man who was fingered by the Warren Commission for murdering JFK had neither the means, the motive, or the opportunity to have killed him. Now we know what was happening during the crucial months that Lee was in New Orleans prior to 22 November 1963 through this book, which brings the character and personality of the man who would be cast as "the patsy" to life.

This book ranks among the very best ever written on the assassination, including BLOODY TREASON by Noel Twyman, JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE by James Douglass, INSIDE THE ARRB by Douglas Horne, and LBJ: THE MASTERMIND BEHIND JFK'S ASSASSINATION by Phillip Nelson, most of whom I have also interviewed. (See, for example, [...]) ME & LEE belongs in this illustrious collection. Judyth Vary Baker has demonstrated her courage, integrity, and dedication to the truth and has made a major contribution to understanding the plot to kill our 35th president and has earned our admiration.

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4.0 out of 5 stars The Summer of '63 Ends with the Tears of Autumn, October 19, 2010
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It's somewhat difficult to read this book in the harsh glare of today's cynical society. But the author's honest memories, although almost incredibly naive as viewed within the current paradigm, seem perfectly credible in the context of 1963 America. So in reading this love story, researchers must get beyond the fairy tale and look at the apparent facts Baker presents. Her book Me & Lee, is full of "facts" many of which are astounding. According to her, Lee Harvey Oswald should be remembered as real person with strong but almost child-like feelings of patriotism and romantic love. He was her dear friend and lover in the Summer of '63. Only 24 years old, he was a disciplined, well-read, self-educated person of strong convictions. He had already experienced a lifetime of adventures, relationships, and tribulations: orphanage living, Mafia-related foster parents, parental divorces, Marine duty in Japan (playing the part of the good American and the bad American), travel to Soviet Russia in an attempted "defection", marriage to a young Russian woman with Soviet espionage connections, return to America (with the government giving him a pass on his apparent treason), shooting at General Walker in April 1963 (according to the Warren Commission), starting his own branch of a pro-Castro organization in New Orleans while working secretly as part of a conspiracy to kill Castro, falling in love with the author Judyth Vary Baker, rubbing shoulders with the powerful Dallas White Russian community, finding a job in a building located on Dealey Plaza (the perfect location to execute the crime of the century), and finally becoming the prime suspect in the killing of a Dallas policeman and the President of the United States. Then as a postscript, he is a victim of assassination (a live-TV first), and takes his place in the history books of the school children of America, as the "official", non-conspiratorial, "lone-nut", motivation-unknown killer of JFK.

With the publication of her book, Judyth Vary Baker has introduced many new juicy "facts" into the JFK assassination stew. Some may question her facts, but that is the nature of this historical beast. After 47 years, identifying and interpreting the Oswald "facts" has become almost impossible. But the nature of Oswald's life in New Orleans in 1963 has remained a mystery until now. The facts of that period of time have been few and confusing. The author illuminates this time with her personal reflections as a young cancer researcher hired to work on a secret project. The book deals with events of incredible historical impact but maintains a light-hearted, youthful tone often laced with tour guide detail. She describes an alleged major criminal/political conspiracy involving all the "usual suspects": Dave Ferrie, Clay Shaw, Guy Bannister, Jack Martin, Dean Andrews, Carlos Marcello and a couple of new players from the medical establishmentDr. Mary's Monkey: How the Unsolved Murder of a Doctor, a Secret Laboratory in New Orleans and Cancer-Causing Monkey Viruses are Linked to Lee Harvey Oswald, ... Assassination and Emerging Global Epidemics. However, some the well-known players, while acting out the same parts that Jim Garrison scripted in his trial, appear to have different motives. In her scenario, Ferrie and Oswald respect JFK and only want to kill Castro which will spare Kennedy's life. Others like Shaw are involved but their motivations are murky. It may be impossible to know understand the motives of the JFK/Castro/CIA/Anti-Castro/Mafia/FBI/Right Wing/political elements. One is left with the feeling that the "usual suspects" are really only puppets controlled by unknown hands. However, since the Warren Commission's case against Oswald is such a house of cards, the facts provided in this book provide more tools to undermine its conclusions: Is it true that Oswald was a paid agent of the government as Baker concludes? Did he know Jack (Sparky) Ruby as a close friend and conspiratorial co-worker? Was he part of a highly organized and financed plan to kill Castro? Did he deliver a cancer-producing device to a mental hospital in Louisiana as a test, which resulted in the murder of several inmates? If any of these "facts" are true you can fill in the blanks of Garrison's case and disregard the evidentiary weight of the Commission and its 26 volumes. If the author's facts are true, the Warren Report must have been based on falsified evidence, inept or non-existent investigation, and the clever omission and distortion of reality. Did all-powerful parties create a patchwork, cartoon-like picture of Oswald as the "lone nut" by forcing ill-fitting historical puzzle pieces into their positions and selling this as the "truth" to the American people? If so, the real truth was buried, the 4th estate was bound and gagged, and Americans now carry the psychological burden of knowing their political "parents" in Washington D.C. are at the very least hypocrites and at worst murderers.

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5.0 out of 5 stars Baker's Story Is Imperfect Enough to Be True, October 5, 2010
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Me and Lee tells us a story of a man we have all heard about. But we finally get to meet him.

Judyth Vary Baker recalls her relationship with Lee Harvey Oswald from the time they met in New Orleans in the spring of 1963 until their last phone conversation just two days before events in Dallas identified him to the public.

She introduces him as a "good man" and a "patriot." He helped her get a job, he revealed his secret life as a government agent concerned about protecting President Kennedy and consoled her over the turmoil in her life - a bad marriage, a new city to live in and an unknown future.

This refreshing, new look at Oswald will challenge preconceptions many people have had about him. Many will be willing to at least give her story a chance. And that is all that Baker asks for, as she states in the books final line, "I leave my testimony in your hands."

Those who wish to dismiss what she says will have to contend with several factors, among them: Baker's candor, her depth of detail and verification of much of the story.

Judyth Baker never claims to be a saint. She admits to having an affair with Oswald during a time in which both were married to other people. And she acknowledges she spent time with questionable company, including New Orleans mafia boss Carlos Marcello, on a questionable top-secret project designed to develop cancer cells to be used to poison Fidel Castro.

Even though she was only twenty years old during this time, she makes no excuses and allows herself to be seen in a less-than-sympathetic light at times. Her writing thus shows sincerity about herself.

Baker also gives details of her relationship with Oswald. She recounts phone conversations, places the two went and people they met. Her questioning of Oswald about his actions during this time provide a strong picture of what many have suspected all along: he served as an agent during the Cold War, pretending to be a Communist at times so as to provide cover for other activities.

And she provides in her Appendix many details that confirm her story, such as a portion of a tourist visa for Oswald to visit Mexico, her recounting of an interview with Anna Lewis as a person who knew her and Oswald and her conversations with people such as David Ferrie to provide a conclusion for such questions as why Ruby, a friend of Oswald's, would kill him.

The story of Me and Lee is for anyone who wants to learn more about one of the most misunderstood people in our nation's history. It is a story of a flawed man written by a flawed woman who has dealt with the passage of time in recounting it. Their imperfections do not harm the reading of the story: they make it all the more likely to be true.
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Magda Hassan
10-30-2010, 07:09 AM
Thanks for posting this Jim. We will have to keep an eye on the Amazon rating system too for any trolling there. Vince Palamara has had his blogs taken down and is banned from Amazon reviews (this is because of the new book by SS agent). 'They' will be watching. Now, of course, if Judith had written a book slamming Oswald and supporting the LN theory she'd be a) a wealthy woman b) 'respected' by the respectable c) protected by the powerful. But she is a woman of principle.

Albert Doyle
11-01-2010, 06:37 PM
Thanks for posting this Jim. We will have to keep an eye on the Amazon rating system too for any trolling there. Vince Palamara has had his blogs taken down and is banned from Amazon reviews (this is because of the new book by SS agent). 'They' will be watching. Now, of course, if Judith had written a book slamming Oswald and supporting the LN theory she'd be a) a wealthy woman b) 'respected' by the respectable c) protected by the powerful. But she is a woman of principle.



Like I said, eventually you'll have to show up at a 'gate' and deal with the 'gate-keepers' as Palamara obviously did. They hang-out at the gates. Since all decisions are made inside the castle walls they don't really care what the public does out there in the hovels.


Even better, if Baker later had her pro-Warren Commission version destroyed like Posner and Bugliosi she would be immune from any public exposure of it or having to credibly answer for it...

James H. Fetzer
11-01-2010, 07:39 PM
Gary Mack has written to me asking that I remove the sentence about him,
since, on the basis of discussions between him and the author and publisher,
it has been removed from the original. So here is the article without it,
which read in the original: "Close at their heels is Gary Mack, whose robust
six-figure salary at the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas depends on defending
the so-called "sniper's nest" theory despite overwhelming new evidence that
Kennedy was assassinated by a bullet from the Grassy Knoll." He told me he
has never had a six-figure salary and does not make the director's decisions.

I took the occasion to write to him about the museum's policies as follows:

Gary,

Yes, I got it. I will do something about it. Since we are in contact, will The
6th Floor Museum be changing its policy about not carrying any assassination
books that contradict the official account, such as BEST EVIDENCE, BLOODY
TREASON, ASSASSINATION SCIENCE, MURDER IN DEALEY PLAZA, THE GREAT
ZAPRUDER FILM HOAX, INSIDE THE ARRB, JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE, and
LBJ: THE MASTERMIND OF JFK'S ASSASSINATION? I would be glad to know
that the museum is taking a more even-handed approach toward his death.

Best wishes,

Jim

Unsurprisingly, he wrote back that the books in the bookstore are evaluated
on the basis of "their accuracy and objectivity". But he assured me that they
are available for reading in their reading room. I find all of this nauseating.


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After Wall Street II Oliver Stone should do JFK II The last key witness has finally been found
October 28th, 2010

Roland Michel Tremblay

The last key witness that Oliver Stone mentioned in the film "JFK" (1991), the one who could have solved and proved the conspiracy surrounding JFK's assassination, has finally been found. Her name is Judyth Vary Baker and her 606 page testimony titled "Me & Lee, How I came to know, love and lose Lee Harvey Oswald" has just been published at Trine Day Press. Jim Marrs, the long-time investigator and author of the New York Times bestseller "Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy", upon which the "JFK" film was based, asked in the afterword of Baker's book how she can still be alive today. Good question.

It has not been easy. Baker decided to talk after 36 years of frightened silence, but after being confronted with death threats she had to leave the United States. She returned to the US twice, only to flee overseas due to ongoing stalking, harassment and several hospitalizations caused by what Marrs termed "freak accidents." In 2007 she was accepted as a political asylum seeker in Europe, the first ever non-combatant American woman to succeed in gaining asylum seeker status in the world. She is still struggling with character assassination over the Internet by people intent on destroying her as a credible witness, but her book is out now, and it changes everything. So much so that Oliver Stone could finally do a final and less static version of his film. Instead of telling us about what might have happened, he could now show us what really happened in 1963 in New Orleans and Dallas.

What happened is far more impressive and sinister than anyone could have imagined. Beyond the facts that the death of JFK opened the way to more wars, such as in Vietnam, ostensibly to fight communism while enriching the war industry, with the Mafia free of Bobby Kennedy's pesky presence countering corruption, we now know there is now a whole new angle to the story. And it is perhaps more important and worrying than even the assassination of a beloved President. Behind it all was the development of a biological weapon capable of killing anyone by injecting virulent cancer cells. Any such murder would, of course, look like a natural death.

This is what Lee Harvey Oswald, a US government agent, was working on with Judyth Vary Baker in the summer of 1963 in New Orleans, along with David Ferrie, Dr. Mary Sherman, and Dr. Alton Ochsner from the Ochsner Clinic, with the government and the Mafia waiting in the wings. That fact alone warranted that many witnesses had to be eliminated. If you check carefully, two of these witnesses died of a powerful cancer that spread quickly, without detection, that death ensued soon after its diagnosis -- the assassin of Oswald, Jack Ruby, who claimed to have been injected with cancer cells, and Clay Shaw, the central figure in the Garrison trial in Stone's movie, "JFK", who died in Ochsner's Clinic and was buried within 24 hours. Part of the whole story had been previously published in another significant book -- "Dr. Mary's Monkey" -- written by Edward T. Haslam. "Dr. Mary's Monkey" has become an underground bestseller. Haslam, the son of a prominent New Orleans doctor, wrote the foreword to Baker's book.

The extraordinary story of Judyth Vary Baker certainly came as a surprise to all main investigators, who had never heard of her before, although there are actually many oblique references to her in the extant body of evidence, as well as living witnesses who have verified that she was Oswald's close companion and lover in the months before the JFK assassination. Some still insist she made it all up, while others have concocted see-through lies to discredit her, preferring to protect their own theories and book sales. Strikingly, after nearly 50 years, new evidence and witnesses such as Baker are still being largely ignored in favor of well-financed TV specials and YouTube presentations. Foremost in these efforts is Vincent Bugliosi, who received a million dollars for his book, "Reclaiming History", which supports the Warren Commission's findings, and Gerald Posner (recently indicted for blatant plagiarism). To this day, witnesses such as Baker are still not safe or free to talk, just like most significant classified information about the matter has still been kept from the public.

"How many authors do not dare have book signings?" Baker asked. "For my own safety, I'm unable to do so." Baker has turned down countless requests for interviews: in the past seven years since the History Channel presented Baker's story in a documentary ("The Love Affair"), only Dr. James Fetzer has managed to get an interview with her. Now that Baker's book has been published, it will become evident to all that no one could possibly make this up, especially when it answers and brings together all the pieces of a puzzle that so many have tried, unsuccessfully, to solve over the years. Those who read the book will also understand why so many witnesses died mysteriously, one by one, following the double assassination of JFK and Oswald, and why the various official investigations conducted were charged to convince the public that a demented lone nut -- Lee Harvey Oswald -- was Kennedy's assassin. If Jim Marrs, Edward T. Haslam, Fetzer and the producers of "The Love Affair" were convinced that Judyth Vary Baker was telling the truth, it was because she has told her story with striking candor, with a large amount of evidence supporting her testimony.

Judyth Vary Baker had only one wish when she was a young and promising lab researcher hired by Dr. Ochsner -- to discover a cure for cancer -- and everyone believed then that she could do it. She and her fellow research associates were led to believe that the New Orleans Project -- developing a biological weapon designed to assassinate Fidel Castro -- could have prevented the death of JFK and World War Three. Then, after Kennedy was killed, she was told to keep her mouth shut and to never again work in cancer research. But the little girl from Bradenton Florida still has up-to-date knowledge of the research being done today. "I still believe I could cure certain kinds of soft tissue cancers inexpensively," she says, "within five years, using modified bacteriophages." Bacteriophages are simple viruses that literally 'eat' bacteria, Baker explained, but they could be "genetically altered" to seek out certain cancers and literally eat them alive. "Bacteriophage therapy could also be applied to fight bacterial diseases such as tuberculosis," she said. "Resistance to antibiotics is becoming a problem that bacteriophage research could very possibly solve."

But Baker fears that as long as so much cancer research is financed by private pharmaceutical companies, that expensive chemotherapy will continue to be the center of research efforts, since bacteriophage therapy would be much cheaper and therefore less profitable. "We could have cured cancer decades ago," Baker insists. Because of the "profit factor," Baker believes that "if we ever develop an inexpensive cure for cancer, it will be due to independent research at universities, or in government-funded labs. An inexpensive treatment, such as one involving the direct use of bacteriophage, will not come from Big Pharma."

Me & Lee: How I Came to Know, Love and Lose Lee Harvey Oswald by Judyth Vary Baker (www.judythvarybaker.com (http://www.judythvarybaker.com)) and Dr. Mary's Monkey by Edward T. Haslam (www.doctormarysmonkey.com (http://www.doctormarysmonkey.com)) and Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy by Jim Marrs, offer the big picture --and finally link together -- all the major players in the conspiracy surrounding JFK's assassination. It is time for us to appreciate what transpired then and draw parallels as to what is happening today. Oliver Stone should produce "JFK II" so we can be aware and move on to real and tangible change and a durable peace. Such was, after all, the main dream of John F. Kennedy.

Magda Hassan
11-01-2010, 11:08 PM
Does this mean he is on a 7 figure salary now?

Phil Dragoo
11-02-2010, 12:08 AM
I am doubly pleased to have in my possession (thanks to the generosity of a fellow researcher) a copy of Judyth's Me & Lee at my elbow to pick up as soon as I've finished the highly-recommended and invaluable Murder in Dealey Plaza.

And speaking of Dealey Plaza, it's a slam-dunk it would only be concerned with historical accuracy in the manner of Warren, Posner, Bugliosi and the person apparently working pro bono--hence would not carry the above-named tomes.


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Ed Jewett
04-22-2011, 06:39 PM
While offline recently for an extended period of time, I read "Dr. Mary's Monkey".

I'll just keep reading and dealing with the local situations within my reach and ability while trying to increase my ability and capacity.

Point and case:
"Dr. Mary's Monkey: How the unsolved murder of a doctor, a secret laboratory in New Orleans and cancer-causing monkey viruses are linked to Lee Harvey Oswald, the JFK assassination and emerging global epidemics", especially chapter 9 entitled "the treatise" (referencing the texts found to have been in the possession of the wandering bishop David Ferrie, and with specific reference to the as-yet unread "THE VIRUS AND THE VACCINE: THE TRUE STORY OF A CANCER CAUSING MONKEY VIRUS, CONTAMINATED POLIO VACCINE, AND THE MILLIONS OF AMERICANS EXPOSED" by Debbie Bookchin and Jim Schumaker.

Some reference how "their" money is wasted on investigative witch hunts, but I have a skin in this game of a different nature.

And I wonder how this correlates to the findings in Seymour's "The Last Circle".

Ed Jewett
05-18-2011, 06:23 PM
Chapter 15 of Me and Lee [page 280-281] recounts the meeting on Saturday, May 11, 1963 between Dr. Mary Sherman, the author Judith Vary Baker, Lee Harvey Oswald, and David Ferrie. “Controlling the Human Mind - The Technologies of Political Control or Tools for Peak Performance”[/COLOR] by Nick Begich, Jr., the son of the Congressman killed with Hale Boggs, the most vocal critic among the Warren Commission members, in an Alaskan plane crash.]

“I doubt John Q. Public will ever have a clue,” Dr. Mary replied. “They certainly have no idea they were getting cancer-causing monkey viruses in their polio vaccines,” she added bitterly. Seeing my expression of shock, Dr. Mary went on to explain that she and a few others had privately protested the marketing of the SV 40-contaminated polio vaccine, but to no avail. The government continued to allow the distribution of millions of doses of the contaminated vaccine in America and abroad.

She said she was told that the new batches of the vaccine would be free of the cancerous virus, but privately she doubted it, noting that the huge stockpile of vaccines she knew were contaminated had not been recalled. To recall them would damage the public’s public’s confidence, she explained.....”

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“In 1957 Sarah Stewart M.D. PhD of the National Cancer Institute and Bernice Eddy, M.D. PhD of the National Institute of Health discovered SE poyoma, a cancer-causing virus present in their laboratory animals. It was soon cataloged as simian virus 40 (SV40), and its origin traced to monkeys. Studies around the world soon confirmed SV 40 as a cancer-causing agent.

Upon the discovery that SV 40 was present in both of the polio vaccines produced from rhesus monkey kidney cells, a new federal law passed in 1961 mandated future vaccines should not contain this virus. However, this law did not require that SV 40 contaminated vaccine stocks already produced be destroyed, so distribution of the tainted vaccine continued until 1963. Bottom line: the Boston Globe estimated that 198 million Americans were inoculated with SV 40-contaminated vaccines between 1955 and 1963. Some critics have alleged that SV 40 remained in the polio vaccines until the 1990s. Recent biopsies of tumors found SV 40 in a variety of soft-tissue cancers, although the American government continued to dispute its causal role.

Page 281, “Me and Lee”

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“Dr. Mary explained that several of the children in the polio ward at actually been crippled by the faulty polio vaccine. This was another reason Dr. Sherman was discretely engaged in polio vaccine research, and why she was so interested in the cancer-causing virus that had contaminated the polio vaccines. Dr. Ochsner’s horrific experience with the flawed polio vaccine that had killed his grandson and cripple his granddaughter put these two colleagues on the same page. Both were aware of the SV 40 contaminants still present in millions of doses of the vaccine, and both doctors realized its potential to cause an epidemic of cancer in the future.

For professional and political reasons both were publicly silent as the probe-vaccine propaganda machine churned out fresh publicity aimed at the unsuspecting citizen citizenry. They quietly search for a solution. Perhaps a benign strain of SP 40 to be used as a basis for vaccine. But as the political landscape changed, their well-intentioned covert medical project had gotten tangled up with the fanaticism and “patriotism” of the moment, and had been perverted into a biological weapon to kill Fidel Castro. We had to live with the knowledge that our government was withholding the truth about the safety of the new polio vaccine. Because I had been raised to trust my government, the shock to my young, patriotic soul was devastating.”

Page 329, “Me and Lee”

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“We’ve created a galloping cancer,” [said Judyth Baker].… We are developing this weapon to eliminate a head of state. But what if we get Castro? Will they really just throw this stuff away?”

“It could be used as a weapon of mass distraction,” [said Lee Harvey Oswald] simply.

“Yes… think I’ll Hitler would have loved this, to use against the Jews in those camps. They could say a plague went through.”

“Or to eliminate Negroes in Africa,” Lee said with a cold tone in his voice.”

Page 391, “Me and Lee”

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My wife was born in 1950 and received her polio vaccination in 1956. I met her in February of 1975 at a seminar and was spiritually betrothed to her the Friday, the 14th, on which I parted from her. She is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHYImlfwpN0 my funny valentine. “She is battling recurrent breast cancer (new lesions, one on each side) after beating the first occurrence 17 years ago. Recently she had a bilateral simple mastectomy, is completing a’ taxoter-rific’ course of chemotherapy, will undergo five weeks of weekday radiation treatments, and another five years of hormonal treatments. She is treated by a leading veteran oncologist affiliated with Harvard, and she and I both agree, after dealing with him and his team for months, that there is something they are not telling us.

Somewhere, too, there is a reference to the fact that the fellow selected to head the Rockefeller-funded Sloan-Kettering cancer treatment programs in New York is a veteran of the US chemical warfare world.

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Additional information comes from the book [I]Dr. Mary’s Monkey, written by Edward T. Haslam, published by TrineDay in 2007. The author is the son of his father of the same name, a professor of orthopedic surgery at Tulane University in New Orleans, a commander in the United States Navy. In the foreword, Jim Marrs notes an earlier book in which Haslam “was one of the first to bring to the public the now well-documented story of how the polio vaccines of the 50s were adulterated with the cancer-causing virus derived from monkey glands. Federal certification officers were aware of the possibility of the polio vaccine being defective but were pressured into approving the vaccine by powerful medical interests, including Dr. Alton Ochsner of New Orleans.

Once the magnitude of the cancer-causing viruses in the polio vaccines became known, a massive covert effort was undertaken in an attempt to find a cure or a preventative.....”

***** ****

In the prologue of the book by Haslam, he recalls a conversation with his father about something that had been “going on that the US PHS Hospital” in New Orleans. a description of his father and his career can be found at the bottom of page 3.

“In the late 60s, I heard about Mary Sherman’s connection to an underground medical laboratory run by a suspect in the murder of Pres. Kennedy. I was told there were using monkey viruses to create cancer. The possibility of this being used as a biological weapon was clear. The dark specter of unleashing the desired designer virus on the world haunted me. I even offered a sarcastic comment that the time: “the good news is if there’s a bizarre global epidemic involving cancer and a monkey virus 30 years from now, at least we’ll know where it came from.” [Emphasis by the author]…

As I poured over the official cancer statistics from the National Cancer Institute, I saw the dimensions of the massive epidemic of soft tissue cancers that had swept our country. An epidemic that had been all but ignored by our watchdog press. An epidemic that could reasonably be explained by the cancer-causing monkey viruses that had contaminated the polio vaccine of my youth.… I also noticed that names connected to the polio vaccine were names connected to Mary Sherman and to the investigation of the JFK assassination. I began to suspect that those secrets were somehow intertwined. A web of secrecy surrounding our national health. In the locking secrets that protected each other. Secrets which presented serious accountability problems for the people in power. I remember the warning my father had given me. I could see how unwelcome this news would be in many circles.”

Haslam went on to self-publish a book in 1995 entitled “Mary, Ferrie and the monkey virus: the story of an underground medical laboratory.” He could afford only print 1000 copies but did so with the hope the story might attract the publisher. Eventually 60 Minutes, the CBS-TV news show, contacted the author. They were investigating a woman who said that she had been in the underground medical laboratory I had written about in my book. That she knew Mary Sherman. That she had been trained to handle cancer-causing viruses. That she had been part of the effort to develop a biological weapon. That she knew Lee Harvey Oswald. 60 Minutes interviewed me in November 2000, having interviewed her and other researchers and journalists, but finally they decided not to air the story.

Three years later, in November 2003, the History Channel aired a story about the same underground medical laboratory. It was part of their series “the men who killed Kennedy”. A week later the History Channel reversed course the episode was withdrawn from circuit circulation, and has never been aired again.

“In the field of virus research, radioactive medical experiments greatly increased the danger of an already dangerous scenario. They introduced the capability of mutating viruses or been known to be deadly, and raise the possibility of creating both new vaccines and new super diseases.

Some of the scientists involved in the field of monkey virus experiments got extremely nervous about the dangers of such experiments, and warned their colleagues in the mid-1960s that of one of these monkey viruses mutated into a more lethal form and got into the human blood supply, there could be a global epidemic which would be unstoppable, given the current level of medical knowledge!” [See Zoonoses of Primates by Fiennes, Page 149.]

Haslam notes on pages 23-26 that the Delta Regional Primate Center in Louisiana opened its doors in November 1964 with Tulane University serving as the host institution. Its $4 million per year operating budget came directly from the US government’s National Institutes of Health.

Peter Gerone had been the director for 23 years, appointed in 1971, after having left the U.S. Army’s biological warfare Center at Fort Dietrich, where he had been one of their experiments on airborne transmission of diseases, as was Frank Olson, the focus of H. P. Albarelli’s book “A Terrible Mistake”.

“In 1975 he collaborated with representatives of the Defense Nuclear Agency, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, and the U.S. Army medical research Institute of Infectious Diseases to attend an NCI-sponsored symposium on “biohazards and zoonotic problems of primate procurement, quarantines, and research.” There he presented his paper on “bio-hazards of experimentally infected primates.” [Haslam noted Guillermo’s Monkey Business, page 173, as well as the article on cancer warfare by Richard Hatch in Covert Action, Winter 1991-1992 issue, age 18.]

Dr. Mary Sherman, whom we met above, was noted posthumously to be “internationally known bone specialist”; she was an associate professor at a prominent medical school engaged in monkey virus research, director of her cancer laboratory at an internationally famous medical clinic, and chairman of the pathologic committee of one of the most elite medical societies in America [the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons]. The medical articles she wrote were quoted for half a century. “So we asked the question again: what was a highly trained medical professional with impeccable credentials doing in an underground medical laboratory run by a political extremist with no formal medical training?”

“Kennedy’s White House and the CIA had very different ideas about how to stop communism, especially the expansion of Soviet influence in the Western Hemisphere. This policy dispute erupted into open conflict between the two camps. Many of the CIA’s activities worn traceable even by the CIA Inspector General. “undocumented expenditures” essentially meant that the CIA was refusing to be controlled by the White House. The situation oscillated between insubordination entries in. In 1975 when the Senate Intelligence Committee finally looked into these activities, Chairman Frank Church likened the CIA’s activities to “a rogue elephant rampaging out of control”. Actually the problem was even deeper. The question: who is running the government?” [Page 98-99]

On page 160, Haslam includes a picture of Dr. Alton Ochsner with William “Wild Bill” Donovan, both elected officers of the American Cancer Society.

Donovan, of course, was a celebrity in military intelligence circles. “He founded and directed the Office of Strategic Services, the WWII predecessor of the CIA. Much of the CIA’s Cold War leadership was recruited from Donovan’s New York law firm. Haslam had been reading Jim DiEugenio’s book “Destiny Betrayed: JFK, Cuba and the Garrison case” which noted that Ochsner was president and founder of the information Council of the Americas (INCA) which produced and distributed anti-Communist radio messages to Latin America. Ochsner was also president of the Cordell Hull Foundation, and had as one of his patients the mega-wealthy Clint Murchison of the Texas oil family. Haslam notes that the FBI maintained a file on Dr. Ochsner which shows his long relationship with the US military, the FBI, and other US government agencies.

On page 181, Haslam notes the testimony to Congress of Adm. Stansfield Turner when he was the director of the CIA, indicating to Congress that the CIA had funded 159 medical facilities around the country for the purpose of contacting covert medical research. The funding was done in conjunction with Congress Hill-Burton fund. The CIA supplied seed money through blind third parties, and then the facility received matching funds as a Hill-Burton grant. When the facility was completed, the agency had access to a portion of the hospital’s bed space for its purposes. [The author notes as his source: U.S. Congress, “Project MKUltra, the CIA’s program of research in behavioral modification”, joint hearing before the select committee on intelligence and the subcommittee on health and scientific research of the committee of human resources, U.S. Senate, August 3, 1977, especially the letter from Stansfield Turner to Intelligence Committee Chairman Sen. Daniel Inouye in appendix B.]

Chapter 9, entitled “The Treatise”, in “Dr. Mary’s Monkey” is where the rubber meets the road on the issue of cancers, polio vaccine etc.

Jim Garrison, in a [I]Playboy interview [f you don’t know who Jim Garrison is, you should bypass “Go” and its income and go directly to jail without a ‘Get out of Jail free’ card] noted a “medical treatise” written by David Ferrie on the subject of inducing cancer virally. Edward Haslam, after searching for this document, received a phone call from Jim DiEugenio noting that “the treatise” had been found. It is reproduced as Document A on page 347 of the book.

The entire chapter is a superb description of what Haslam on page 22 termed “... a fermenting mash of science, secrecy, patriotism, power, paranoia, and extremism. It is not a pretty picture. It involves death, disease, covert wars, and the quiet hand of power…”

Thanks, boys.

*****


“… Spin Control, Perception Management, Reality engineering, Operation Mockingbird, the Great Wurlitzer, whatever you call it: the strategic psychological operations designed to manipulate our media and cover-up the mega-misdeeds of flagrant corruption keep us all woefully aware of the base reality and engulfing our institutions, our history and… our future. Ignorance is bliss?

Agnotology is the “scientific study of culturally induced ignorance”: such as when intelligence agencies or other shadow players use their behind-the-scenes capabilities of media spin to conceal scurrilous activities and agendas. Gaming the system and us.

The cost of this mercenary connivance is our heritage, our liberty, our freedom, our country and… our future. For without an honest dialogue, we become puppets of rhetoric: robotics serfs in a corporate-controlled world, mere pre-programmed economic units instead of vital sovereign human beings. As has been said, “perfect slaves think they are free.”

From the publisher’s foreword (dated July 14, 2010) found in the book “Me and Lee: how I came to know, love and lose Lee Harvey Oswald”, by Judith Vary Baker, TrineDay 2010.

Jan Klimkowski
05-18-2011, 06:56 PM
Chapter 15 of Me and Lee [page 280-281] recounts the meeting on Saturday, May 11, 1963 between Dr. Mary Sherman, the author Judith Vary Baker, Lee Harvey Oswald, and David Ferrie. [In reverse order, the four players in this vignette are: the wandering bishop noted in Peter Levenda’s “Sinister Forces”; the alleged “lone nut” patsied by the security state he worked for and killed on live television by Jacob Rubenstein, better known as Jack “Sparky” Ruby; the author (a youthful savant in cancer research); and an expert on bone tumors whose own strange un-investigated murder was the focus of a cover-up.

After the meetings and greetings, the finger sandwiches and fruit compote, “Dave said, “Listen to this... ‘Dr. Heath tells new technique. Electrical impulses sent deep into brain… (a patient)… had tiny wires implanted into precise spots in his brain. The wires were attached to a self-stimulator box, which was equipped at a push of a button to deliver a tiny, electrical impulse to the brain…” Dave paused to let what he was reading sink in. “I wonder how many brains Heath went through before he had success with these two? How long did it take to find those “precise spots” in their brains with his hot little wires?”

“Dr. Ochsner would never do such a thing,” Dr. Mary said, pouring me some tea.

“It sounds like science fiction,” Dave said. “Who knows what kind of mind control could be exerted over brain, 20 or 30 years from now?” [But see “Controlling the Human Mind - The Technologies of Political Control or Tools for Peak Performance” by Nick Begich, Jr., the son of the Congressman killed with Hale Boggs, the most vocal critic among the Warren Commission members, in an Alaskan plane crash.]

“I doubt John Q. Public will ever have a clue,” Dr. Mary replied. “They certainly have no idea they were getting cancer-causing monkey viruses in their polio vaccines,” she added bitterly. Seeing my expression of shock, Dr. Mary went on to explain that she and a few others had privately protested the marketing of the SV 40-contaminated polio vaccine, but to no avail. The government continued to allow the distribution of millions of doses of the contaminated vaccine in America and abroad.

She said she was told that the new batches of the vaccine would be free of the cancerous virus, but privately she doubted it, noting that the huge stockpile of vaccines she knew were contaminated had not been recalled. To recall them would damage the public’s public’s confidence, she explained.....”

The essentials of my concern about this account are as follows:

i) Robert G Heath was a genuine "doctor" performing electronic stimulation of brains in his department at Tulane. Heath was an MK-ULTRA contractor. I have personally interviewed several adults who claimed that Heath experimented on them as children. They have no documentary proof of this claim. However, they provided certain circumstantial details which are intriguing and provocative. Fundamentally, though, Heath's attempts to control the human brain through electronic stimulation administered within a Behaviourist and Pavlovian framework FAILED;

ii) the contamination of polio vaccine with SV-40 has been known since 1960. Here's a mainstream scientific account. Full version in the Journal of Clinical Oncology here (http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/24/26/4356.full):


The discovery of SV40 was reported in 1960 as a contaminant present in polio vaccine stocks.1 At this time, polio vaccine was being produced in primary kidney cells and tissue harvested from rhesus and cynomolgus macaques. Safety testing of vaccine preparations on cultures of African green monkey kidney cells uncovered the presence of SV40, a "vacuolating agent," that induced a cytopathic effect in some cultures.1 SV40 was detected in preparations of both the inactivated, or Salk, poliovirus vaccine and the live attenuated, or Sabin, poliovirus vaccine. In the United States, the Salk inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) was used to inoculate 98 million children and adults between 1955 and 1963, whereas about 10,000 people received the Sabin oral polio vaccine (OPV) through clinical trials between 1959 and 1961.2,3 Because OPV was not licensed in the United States until 1963, after the establishment of government regulations requiring all poliovirus vaccine to be free of SV40, vaccination with IPV from 1955 to 1963 is thought to be the primary source of human exposure to SV40 in the United States. An adenovirus vaccine developed by the United States military and used to vaccinate Army recruits during this period was also found to be highly contaminated with SV40.4 However, because of its limited distribution, this vaccine is not thought to have posed a significant risk for exposure of SV40 into the general population.

Both the Salk and Sabin vaccines, including poliovirus stocks, cell cultures, and the methodologies necessary to generate the vaccine, were distributed to many countries throughout the world. In at least some instances, vaccines produced in other countries were also contaminated with SV40 virus. A recent report provides evidence that some polio vaccines prepared by an Eastern European vaccine manufacturer were contaminated with SV40 and used in the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as late as 1978.5

So, the quotes attributed to David Ferrie and Dr Mary Sherman are potentially possible.

The Fascist Dream of Control Through Electrical Implants (be it Heath or Delgado) is naturally concerning.

It is also entirely likely that any 1960s vaccine insider with knowledge of laboratory mutagenicity tests on SV40 would have been incredibly worried.

I've made films investigating and exposing Big Pharma, and the fundamental motivation of the multinationals is not the Curing or Eradication of Disease. It is the Maximisation of Profit. A certain amount of Disease is Good for Business.

However, my core fear is that, from matters which have some historical basis and should concern us all, a sugary confection has been baked.

The Lovers, Lee and Judyth, get the best lines in this screenplay:


“We’ve created a galloping cancer,” [said Judyth Baker].… We are developing this weapon to eliminate a head of state. But what if we get Castro? Will they really just throw this stuff away?”

“It could be used as a weapon of mass distraction,” [said Lee Harvey Oswald] simply.

“Yes… think I’ll Hitler would have loved this, to use against the Jews in those camps. They could say a plague went through.”

“Or to eliminate Negroes in Africa,” Lee said with a cold tone in his voice.”

Page 391, “Me and Lee”

Lines that are overblown, anachronistic, and strike me as hugely unlikely.

Charles Drago
05-18-2011, 07:35 PM
The dialogue?

Pure fiction.

And poorly rendered, D-movie dialogue at that.

Jan Klimkowski
05-18-2011, 08:03 PM
The dialogue?

Pure fiction.

And poorly rendered, D-movie dialogue at that.

Agreed.

And the plot?

Ed Jewett
05-18-2011, 09:46 PM
... the contamination of polio vaccine with SV-40 has been known since 1960. Here's a mainstream scientific account. Full version in the Journal of Clinical Oncology here (http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/24/26/4356.full):


Well, my wife and I asked our primary school librarians to get us a copy of that journal when that article was published, but they couldn't find one. In the intervening years, of course, secondary school, college, family, employment and raising two kids to adulthood took precedence. My wife could now, as director of medical policy for a major health insuror, find a copy or ask her staff to hunt it down.

But I think I'll refrain from forwarding the link to her. :nurse:

Jan Klimkowski
05-19-2011, 04:09 PM
... the contamination of polio vaccine with SV-40 has been known since 1960. Here's a mainstream scientific account. Full version in the Journal of Clinical Oncology here (http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/24/26/4356.full):


Well, my wife and I asked our primary school librarians to get us a copy of that journal when that article was published, but they couldn't find one. In the intervening years, of course, secondary school, college, family, employment and raising two kids to adulthood took precedence. My wife could now, as director of medical policy for a major health insuror, find a copy or ask her staff to hunt it down.

But I think I'll refrain from forwarding the link to her. :nurse:

Ed - for me the importance of that Journal of Clinical Oncology article does not lie so much in its conclusions about the role of SV40 in cancer, but in the mainstream scientific chronology that it establishes for awareness of the contamination of polio vaccine with SV40.

The article establishes that SV40 contamination was known by 1960. It does this by citing published clinical literature such as:

Sweet BH, Hilleman MR: The vacuolating virus, SV 40. Proc Soc Exp Biol Med 105:420-427, 1960

Thus, it is possible that Dr Sherman knew of the SV40 issue at the time of the supposed Ferrie/Sherman/Oswald/Baker exchanges.

However, since I've personally destroyed peer-reviewed articles published in major clinical journals (eg The Lancet), and since I have not been able to study in detail all the relevant scientific literature around mutagenicity, and the credibllity of the design of epidemiological studies, etc etc etc, I merely note the article's conclusion that "there is inadequate evidence at this time to suggest widespread SV40 infection in the population or increased tumor incidence among those individuals who received contaminated vaccine".

The language is most important. In particular the use of the phrase "inadequate evidence" which can be translated as noone really knows.

Steve Franklin
05-19-2011, 04:22 PM
The Lovers, Lee and Judyth, get the best lines in this screenplay:


“We’ve created a galloping cancer,” [said Judyth Baker].… We are developing this weapon to eliminate a head of state. But what if we get Castro? Will they really just throw this stuff away?”

“It could be used as a weapon of mass distraction,” [said Lee Harvey Oswald] simply.

“Yes… think I’ll Hitler would have loved this, to use against the Jews in those camps. They could say a plague went through.”

“Or to eliminate Negroes in Africa,” Lee said with a cold tone in his voice.”

Page 391, “Me and Lee”Lines that are overblown, anachronistic, and strike me as hugely unlikely.

If you're calling the term "weapon of mass destruction" anachronistic, there's a decent article at Wikipedia under that heading, which traces the first use in English to the Archbishop of Canterbury in 1937. It was used in reference to nuclear weapons as early as 1945.

Jan Klimkowski
05-19-2011, 05:35 PM
The Lovers, Lee and Judyth, get the best lines in this screenplay:


“We’ve created a galloping cancer,” [said Judyth Baker].… We are developing this weapon to eliminate a head of state. But what if we get Castro? Will they really just throw this stuff away?”

“It could be used as a weapon of mass distraction,” [said Lee Harvey Oswald] simply.

“Yes… think I’ll Hitler would have loved this, to use against the Jews in those camps. They could say a plague went through.”

“Or to eliminate Negroes in Africa,” Lee said with a cold tone in his voice.”

Page 391, “Me and Lee”Lines that are overblown, anachronistic, and strike me as hugely unlikely.

If you're calling the term "weapon of mass destruction" anachronistic, there's a decent article at Wikipedia under that heading, which traces the first use in English to the Archbishop of Canterbury in 1937. It was used in reference to nuclear weapons as early as 1945.

But the line as transcribed and given to Oswald isn't "weapon of mass destruction"...

And there are other anachronisms in that cod dialogue, such as the prefiguring of AIDS as a racist weapon.

In 1960. Or thereabouts.

Steve Franklin
05-19-2011, 07:12 PM
The Lovers, Lee and Judyth, get the best lines in this screenplay:


“We’ve created a galloping cancer,” [said Judyth Baker].… We are developing this weapon to eliminate a head of state. But what if we get Castro? Will they really just throw this stuff away?”

“It could be used as a weapon of mass distraction,” [said Lee Harvey Oswald] simply.

“Yes… think I’ll Hitler would have loved this, to use against the Jews in those camps. They could say a plague went through.”

“Or to eliminate Negroes in Africa,” Lee said with a cold tone in his voice.”

Page 391, “Me and Lee”Lines that are overblown, anachronistic, and strike me as hugely unlikely.

If you're calling the term "weapon of mass destruction" anachronistic, there's a decent article at Wikipedia under that heading, which traces the first use in English to the Archbishop of Canterbury in 1937. It was used in reference to nuclear weapons as early as 1945.

But the line as transcribed and given to Oswald isn't "weapon of mass destruction"...

And there are other anachronisms in that cod dialogue, such as the prefiguring of AIDS as a racist weapon.

In 1960. Or thereabouts.

Yeah, but "weapon of mass distraction" is clearly a pun on "weapon of mass destruction," if it isn't just a typographical error. Note the phrase "think I’ll Hitler would have loved this," by which I suppose was meant "think how Hitler...."

As for "prefiguring of AIDS," well, that would be the point here, wouldn't it? You know, that AIDS was created for just such a purpose, and to get rid of 'all them queers,' too? This idea has been bouncing around for a while now. Even if it's fictional, it wasn't invented by the author. It's out there in the aether. I'm surprised you haven't run into it.

Jan Klimkowski
05-19-2011, 07:32 PM
Steve - we'll have to disagree.

I stand by my description of the cod dialogue as overblown, anachronistic, and hugely unlikely.

Ed Jewett
05-19-2011, 08:02 PM
... the contamination of polio vaccine with SV-40 has been known since 1960. Here's a mainstream scientific account. Full version in the Journal of Clinical Oncology here (http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/24/26/4356.full):


Well, my wife and I asked our primary school librarians to get us a copy of that journal when that article was published, but they couldn't find one. In the intervening years, of course, secondary school, college, family, employment and raising two kids to adulthood took precedence. My wife could now, as director of medical policy for a major health insuror, find a copy or ask her staff to hunt it down.

But I think I'll refrain from forwarding the link to her. :nurse:

Ed - for me the importance of that Journal of Clinical Oncology article does not lie so much in its conclusions about the role of SV40 in cancer, but in the mainstream scientific chronology that it establishes for awareness of the contamination of polio vaccine with SV40.

The article establishes that SV40 contamination was known by 1960. It does this by citing published clinical literature such as:

Sweet BH, Hilleman MR: The vacuolating virus, SV 40. Proc Soc Exp Biol Med 105:420-427, 1960

Thus, it is possible that Dr Sherman knew of the SV40 issue at the time of the supposed Ferrie/Sherman/Oswald/Baker exchanges.

However, since I've personally destroyed peer-reviewed articles published in major clinical journals (eg The Lancet), and since I have not been able to study in detail all the relevant scientific literature around mutagenicity, and the credibllity of the design of epidemiological studies, etc etc etc, I merely note the article's conclusion that "there is inadequate evidence at this time to suggest widespread SV40 infection in the population or increased tumor incidence among those individuals who received contaminated vaccine".

The language is most important. In particular the use of the phrase "inadequate evidence" which can be translated as noone really knows.

Jan, we are likely talking to some degree at cross-purposes or non-parallel interests. Of course there was inadequate evidence in 1960 because the polio vaccine wasn't begun to be administered until about 1955 or so. If you are suggesting that I am holding the medical establishment such as the NIH or the American Cancer Society responsible for my wife's recurrent cancer, you are wrong. (Since "Wild Bill" Donovan was active in there somewhere, I guess we can regard it as plausibly deniable, or at least suggest that there are a lot of victims who qualify as inadvertent collateral damage.) I have, in front of me, already transcribed, the eleven pages or so (from the Jim Marrs' book The Rise of the Fourth Reich) on modern medicine since World War II and the role of the Rockefellers even before WWII, the case of aspartame and Searle CEO Donald Rumsfeld, Marcia Angell's work on Big Pharma [The Truth about the Drug Companies: how they deceive us and what to do about it, http://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-Drug-Companies-Deceive/dp/0375508465 ], etc.

It seems to me that, even if Dr. Mary knew of the noted clinical and scientific articles, she had already signed on to what is accurately described as "covert medical research", thus furthering her own career, in which she utilized talent which was knowingly operating covertly or in a clandestine manner. As has been pointed out in many places, the media didn't summon up the cojones to follow any leads or ask any questions so the fact that there was an article in 1960 noting awareness of the contaminated polio vaccine seems to have dropped by the wayside.

I appreciate that you and perhaps others are fixated on the deeper and far more subtle issues of the JFK conspiracy and deep politics and every nuance of dialogue, good or bad, comes into play as you evaluate the controversies inherent in such things as the book "Me and Lee". I'll draw a bye on those debates and watch from the cheap seats in the waiting rooms of chemotherapy and radiation labs where nurses tell me about books like The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks by Rebecca Skloot, the story of "a poor African American migrant from the tobacco farms of Virginia, who died from a cruelly aggressive cancer at the age of 30 in 1951. A sample of her cancerous tissue, taken without her knowledge or consent, as was the custom then, turned out to provide one of the holy grails of mid-century biology: human cells that could survive--even thrive--in the lab. Known as HeLa cells, their stunning potency gave scientists a building block for countless breakthroughs, beginning with the cure for polio....." (http://www.amazon.com/Immortal-Life-Henrietta-Lacks/dp/1400052181/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1305834627&sr=1-1), and I tell her about books like [I]Love in the Time of Cholera by Gabriel Garcia Marquez and On Becoming an Artist: Reinventing Yourself Through Mindful Creativity by Ellen J. Langer.

And please don't misunderstand that this is some kind of ploy for sympathy, empathy, or expressions of something-or-other. Everyone gets to play the cards that are dealt them; some people have the luck or grace to play Solitaire (or Hearts) from a deck they have learned to shuffle while remaining grounded, relaxed, aware, centered and energized, and others have to play the cards dealt them by a State overrun by "sinister forces".

Ed Jewett
05-19-2011, 10:08 PM
Yeah, but "weapon of mass distraction" is clearly a pun on "weapon of mass destruction," if it isn't just a typographical error. Note the phrase "think I’ll Hitler would have loved this," by which I suppose was meant "think how Hitler...."

As for "prefiguring of AIDS," well, that would be the point here, wouldn't it? You know, that AIDS was created for just such a purpose, and to get rid of 'all them queers,' too? This idea has been bouncing around for a while now. Even if it's fictional, it wasn't invented by the author. It's out there in the aether. I'm surprised you haven't run into it.


Apologies to all involved... I just discovered my error. The "weapon of mass distraction" is not a pun. It is an error that stems from my failure to proof-read intensively with a fine tooth comb because it is an error created through my use of a voice recognition software system. Clearly it's AI program still has some work to do (I haven't used it a lot yet) and it read my "destruction" as distraction.

Ed Jewett
08-14-2011, 10:15 AM
Dr. Mary's Monkey: The Link Between Polio Vaccines, Cancer, & JFK's Murder -

Ed Haslam interviewed
PT 1 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rEMsSPb4pM&feature=player_embedded

PT 2 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NufsVFuOKcs&feature=related

PT 3 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EKPnhw35rM&feature=related

PT 4 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBC6oCMqKYk&feature=related

PT 5 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-4fPVqQ21w&feature=related

PT 6 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8J2O3q4AD8&list=PLACBCFA84D22A3C78&index=6

PT 7 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-bcV8j6ew4&feature=related

PT 8 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaCGX1cAYmI&feature=related

Ed Jewett
08-14-2011, 10:16 AM
Vaccine Diplomacy

http://jenniferlake.wordpress.com/2011/08/08/vaccine-diplomacy/

http://polioforever.wordpress.com/

Charles Drago
08-14-2011, 02:00 PM
Steve - we'll have to disagree.

I stand by my description of the cod dialogue as overblown, anachronistic, and hugely unlikely.

Jan,

I wholeheartedly agree, and I've made this point before.

This is pure fiction which is fact-based only in the minimalist sense. The dialogue is third-rate and clearly invented to conform to the demands of a pre-existing book proposal.

The major error is that it attempts to ascribe to historical figures insight that was not achieved until decades later -- reminiscent in this regard to claims that JFK was speaking of Illuminati and such when he made what on DPF and elsewhere is the now-infamous "secret societies" speech.

Dawn Meredith
08-15-2011, 01:20 PM
No-one could remember dialogue from that long ago, so I have no problem with the posts doubting the dialogue, but what about the actual books? The information contained in each. ( Judyth's and Haslam's) I read both and believe they are important books.
Did you - CD and Jan- read these books?

Dawn

Charles Drago
08-15-2011, 02:24 PM
I read Haslam's book the month it was first published.

Recently I read Love Story II -- or was it Jonathan Livingstone Oswald?

Haslam's general thesis is highly significant and worthy of further investigation. The author is a deep politics naif -- a fact which diminishes the validity not of his evidence, but rather of his prioritization and interpretations of it.

Judy Judy Judy's book very well may have materialized to counter Haslam even as it purports to support him.

Albert Doyle
08-15-2011, 05:04 PM
Ed,

Thanks for posting those videos. The pre-emptive application of state security secrecy was obviously taken advantage of to cover-up a CIA coup.

Jan Klimkowski
08-15-2011, 06:24 PM
No-one could remember dialogue from that long ago, so I have no problem with the posts doubting the dialogue, but what about the actual books? The information contained in each. ( Judyth's and Haslam's) I read both and believe they are important books.
Did you - CD and Jan- read these books?

Dawn

Hi Dawn - more of my concerns can be found in post #15 here (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?4658-quot-Dr.-Mary-s-Monkey-quot/page2).

I will go further.

In the Cold War period, Tulane was the site of deeply disturbing experimentation, often funded by American intelligence through cutouts such as foundations.

Tulane's Dr Robert G Heath was a major MK-ULTRA player, though less well known than the likes of Ewen Cameron and Louis Jolyon West.

Part of my working hypothesis is that Haslam's research has uncovered scientific crimes of considerable signficance.

Another part of my working hypothesis is that Lee Harvey Oswald and Judyth Vary Baker have been inserted into these scientific crimes, and that their presence as pivotal players in these events is both unnecessary and unlikely.

If it is is true that Ferrie was experimenting on mice in his home, then he may well have been trying to develop a poison. However, the whole Ferrie-was-testing-a-cancer-causing-virus-to-use-to-kill-Castro, or whatever the claim actually is, strikes me as a ripping yarn.

The historical context is important too.

I spent several years in the 1990s interviewing members of a generation of people who had been born in the 40s, 50s and early 60s and who claimed to have been experimented upon as children by behaviourist scientists, many with links to MK-ULTRA and other mind control doctors.

Some of their accounts were almost certainly not true. Several had considerable corroborating details and, on the balance of probabilities, are likely genuine.

I also conducted an extensive search of the scientific literature. I will be discreet here, to preserve and protect research techniques.

However, in short, when Heath was sticking electrodes in the heads of his test subjects - including prisoners and children - to attempt to change their behaviour in fundamental ways, this was not a secret.

Consider the experimentation on Ted Kaczynski and his peers at Harvard by Dr Henry Murray of the OSS. There was nothing essentially covert about this.

Then consider Operation Whitecoat.

This was the testing of biological warfare agents on Conscientious Objectors at Fort Detrick.

It is my conviction that if US intelligence was developing a biological weapon to assassinate Castro, the research would have taken place in a university laboratory or at a specialist site such as Fort Detrick. Human field trials would then have taken place. US and Big Pharma colonies such as Haiti, Costa Rica and Panama would probably have been the locations of these terminal human tests.

Ferrie, Oswald, Baker and some mice? I don't think so.

Albert Doyle
08-15-2011, 06:39 PM
I don't know, doesn't the Clinton trip kind of prove Haslam's story?

Jan Klimkowski
08-15-2011, 06:50 PM
I don't know, doesn't the Clinton trip kind of prove Haslam's story?

Albert - not sure of your meaning. Are you referring to Clay Shaw driving Oswald to Clinton so he could register to vote?

Charles Drago
08-15-2011, 10:15 PM
Ferrie, Oswald, Baker and some mice? I don't think so.

This observation and the material which precedes it in post 32 above comprise a piece of brilliant deep political research-based reasoning.

For some, LHO and the greater JFK conspiracy are the gifts that keep on giving.

Albert Doyle
08-16-2011, 02:27 AM
Albert - not sure of your meaning. Are you referring to Clay Shaw driving Oswald to Clinton so he could register to vote?


Why was Baker along?

And couldn't they trace an Angola inmate who died of cancer 28 days later?

Ed Jewett
08-16-2011, 06:13 AM
http://doctormarysmonkey.com/index.htm

which contains

Interview with America’s leading vaccine developer
Hear the Chief of Vaccines explain how the massive cross-contamination of monkeys in Merck’s laboratories lead him to import African Green Monkeys loaded with SIV (ancestor virus to HIV/AIDS) into the U.S. for research in his vaccine laboratory. Then Hilleman details how he personally broke the news to the polio vaccine developer Albert Sabin in 1954 that he had found SV-40, a cancer causing virus in Sabin’s polio vaccine. Hilleman is interviewed by Edward Shorter, Professor of the History of Medicine at the University of Toronto and author of The Health Century, the book which triggered that PBS TV series. The question is: What did they do once they knew? Was there a “Medical Manhattan Project” to produce a vaccine in time?

Interview with the witness to the witness - Anna Lewis
Anna Lewis knew Judyth Vary Baker and Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans in the summer of 1963. Anna’s husband, David Lewis, worked for the notorious Guy Banister and knew David Ferrie well. Hear Anna describe how she and her husband socialized with Judyth and Lee that summer, including an evening at the 500 Club on Bourbon Street where they personally met with Mafia boss Carlos Marcello. Hear Anna admit that she lied to Jim Garrison when she told him that she did not know Lee Harvey Oswald. Video. Plays-on-demand. Free. 34 minutes. Google video.

Video interview with the author - Ed Haslam
Hear the author discuss the contamination of the polio vaccine and the Medical Manhattan Project that used radiation to mutate monkey viruses in hopes of developing an anti-cancer vaccine. Hear him describe what is wrong with the official explanation of Dr. Mary Sherman’s murder. And hear him introduce his new witness, Judyth Vary Baker, who has come forward to explain how she became involved in the underground medical laboratory in David Ferrie’s apartment… and how Lee Harvey Oswald was involved. This 2003 interview was conducted by award-winning journalist and best-selling author Jim Marrs. Video. Free. 58 min.

Click here to listen to a one hour interview (with graphics) by Dr. Jim Fetzer on April 17, 2010 which is missing but there are four 40-minutes segments of the Coast to Coast radio show...

Click here to listen to a two hour radio interview recorded March 14, 2009 on The American Awakening.

and more...


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http://doctormarysmonkey.com/Default_files/image007.jpg

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A 10-minute (Wim Dankbaar's) interview with Haslam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmLfKGl9MMw

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A Google search for "Edward Haslam" (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&cp=13&gs_id=50&xhr=t&q=Edward+Haslam&pf=p&sclient=psy&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=Edward+Haslam&aq=0&aqi=g3g-v2&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=29d472dd31b42bb3&biw=1024&bih=1237)

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FRIDAY, APRIL 9, 2010
James Fetzer's blog which includes lots of text, a 9:40 min. YouTube on Jim Garrison, Chapter 17 of the original "Mary, Ferrie, & The Monkey Virus", and a series of videos which has been removed.
http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2010/04/ed-haslam-dr-marys-monkey.html

Ed Jewett
11-01-2011, 04:06 AM
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Judyth Vary Baker, Girlfriend of Lee Harvey Oswald, Survives Another Attemp On Her Life While In TorontoOctober 31, 2011 by POPEYE (http://www.federaljack.com/?author=7)
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http://www.federaljack.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/JVB.jpg (http://www.federaljack.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/JVB.jpg)(Sydney White) On the 18th of October, the crowd in the book store was overflowing to the doors. The enormous cake for the 72nd birthday of Lee Harvey Oswald was in the centre and Judith Vary Baker stood over it, ready to cut the first piece. She had kept her promise to Lee, that she would clear his name and let his children know that he was not the killer of President Kennedy but a young man who had tried to stop it. Her book, “Lee and Me” was selling like the proverbial hotcakes, and the line-up for autographed copies lasted two hours. I bought a copy and read it before my interview with her on Friday, October 21st. Over the next two days, I was drawn so completely into the book that I cancelled two events and several chores. It was not written like a textbook or an affidavit, but was more a diary of what happened to a naive school girl caught up in a conspiracy that was beyond her experience. She was a student with an aptitude for science who wanted to find a cure for cancer. She was twenty and Lee was twenty-three, when they met, fell in love and were both used and abused by those determined to kill Kennedy and/or Castro. I arrived at the hotel around 4 on the 21st and was invited by Judith to her “celebration” family dinner where she said we could talk in an informal atmosphere. Little did I know our conversation would be cut short. She asked that I sit next to her at the head of the table where she related conversations with Lee, as if they were yesterday… “Lee said that you could never own your own house, because they could take if from you for taxes.” She loved the health care system in Sweden. She would love to get another dog but “would not outlive another dog”. I replied that of course she would. She replied “No, I would not.” I looked away, at the dozen people enjoying the dinner, laughing, toasting, family that Judith had not seen in years. It was not safe for her to bring them into her life. Some of her relatives did not want to have her in their lives, she explained, understanding their fear. Suddenly she said, “I think my gum is bleeding”. As I stared, she put her finger in her mouth and brought out a pointed piece of glass. I took it from her as she reached in again and removed another small piece of glass. She said “There’s something in my throat”. I called the waitress over and told her to get the manager; I showed her the pieces of glass on the table. The celebration was still going on; they could not see or hear what had transpired at the head of the table. They only realized what had happened when they heard me ask the manager to call an ambulance. There was obviously glass in Judith’s throat and possibly in her stomach. In fact, there were smaller sand sized pieces of glass throughout the meat on her plate. I explained to the manager that this lady was not a Canadian and had no health insurance here. After a slight hesitation he said that the hotel would pay for her emergency care. Judith anxiously asked that I come in the ambulance with her; the family were told where she was going so they could meet her at the hospital. Her reunion celebration ended as daughters, sons, grandchildren and her stepfather, shocked, went to their cars . In the ambulance, she had some difficulty swallowing as there seemed to be glass stuck in her throat. At the hospital, she was immediately taken to the triage room where her daughter was the only one allowed to sit beside her. The room was full. In spite of this frightening end to the reunion she had looked forward to for so long, Judith was determined to get to her book signing in Montreal the next day. I wondered, as her son drove me home, how this night would end. I heard from her agent on the weekend, that indeed, this determined lady was in Montreal the next day. I salute you Judith for your honesty and your true grit. Sydney WhiteInvestigative ReporterStudies in PropagandaThe Free University of TorontoToronto, OntarioCanada.LISTEN TO POPEYE’S TWO (2) HOUR INTERVIEW WITH JUDYTH ON 07/17/2011 BELOW:
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Peter Lemkin
11-01-2011, 06:37 AM
I've been rather neutral on the issue of JVB, seeing the points of those who think she has invented or inserted herself a bit too much [some think entirely], but have kept an open mind, perhaps because I've been in contact with her by happenstance - not seeking her out...as we both live in Europe. I can't find it, but last week Linda Minor wrote on this forum of meeting her for a week in Canada [where she is doing lectures and book signings] and of being quite impressed with her. I've always been VERY impressed with Linda Minor, so find that a very interesting endorsement! A long interview with JVB can now be found on the internet from her Canadian visit. If someone can find the post by Minor, I suggest it be linked to this thread. I can't find it now...spent a lot of time searching.

Adele Edisen
02-06-2012, 09:08 AM
Chapter 15 of Me and Lee [page 280-281] recounts the meeting on Saturday, May 11, 1963 between Dr. Mary Sherman, the author Judith Vary Baker, Lee Harvey Oswald, and David Ferrie. [In reverse order, the four players in this vignette are: the wandering bishop noted in Peter Levenda’s “Sinister Forces”; the alleged “lone nut” patsied by the security state he worked for and killed on live television by Jacob Rubenstein, better known as Jack “Sparky” Ruby; the author (a youthful savant in cancer research); and an expert on bone tumors whose own strange un-investigated murder was the focus of a cover-up.

After the meetings and greetings, the finger sandwiches and fruit compote, “Dave said, “Listen to this... ‘Dr. Heath tells new technique. Electrical impulses sent deep into brain… (a patient)… had tiny wires implanted into precise spots in his brain. The wires were attached to a self-stimulator box, which was equipped at a push of a button to deliver a tiny, electrical impulse to the brain…” Dave paused to let what he was reading sink in. “I wonder how many brains Heath went through before he had success with these two? How long did it take to find those “precise spots” in their brains with his hot little wires?”

“Dr. Ochsner would never do such a thing,” Dr. Mary said, pouring me some tea.

“It sounds like science fiction,” Dave said. “Who knows what kind of mind control could be exerted over brain, 20 or 30 years from now?” [But see “Controlling the Human Mind - The Technologies of Political Control or Tools for Peak Performance” by Nick Begich, Jr., the son of the Congressman killed with Hale Boggs, the most vocal critic among the Warren Commission members, in an Alaskan plane crash.]

“I doubt John Q. Public will ever have a clue,” Dr. Mary replied. “They certainly have no idea they were getting cancer-causing monkey viruses in their polio vaccines,” she added bitterly. Seeing my expression of shock, Dr. Mary went on to explain that she and a few others had privately protested the marketing of the SV 40-contaminated polio vaccine, but to no avail. The government continued to allow the distribution of millions of doses of the contaminated vaccine in America and abroad.

She said she was told that the new batches of the vaccine would be free of the cancerous virus, but privately she doubted it, noting that the huge stockpile of vaccines she knew were contaminated had not been recalled. To recall them would damage the public’s public’s confidence, she explained.....”

The essentials of my concern about this account are as follows:

i) Robert G Heath was a genuine "doctor" performing electronic stimulation of brains in his department at Tulane. Heath was an MK-ULTRA contractor. I have personally interviewed several adults who claimed that Heath experimented on them as children. They have no documentary proof of this claim. However, they provided certain circumstantial details which are intriguing and provocative. Fundamentally, though, Heath's attempts to control the human brain through electronic stimulation administered within a Behaviourist and Pavlovian framework FAILED;

ii) the contamination of polio vaccine with SV-40 has been known since 1960. Here's a mainstream scientific account. Full version in the Journal of Clinical Oncology here (http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/24/26/4356.full):


The discovery of SV40 was reported in 1960 as a contaminant present in polio vaccine stocks.1 At this time, polio vaccine was being produced in primary kidney cells and tissue harvested from rhesus and cynomolgus macaques. Safety testing of vaccine preparations on cultures of African green monkey kidney cells uncovered the presence of SV40, a "vacuolating agent," that induced a cytopathic effect in some cultures.1 SV40 was detected in preparations of both the inactivated, or Salk, poliovirus vaccine and the live attenuated, or Sabin, poliovirus vaccine. In the United States, the Salk inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) was used to inoculate 98 million children and adults between 1955 and 1963, whereas about 10,000 people received the Sabin oral polio vaccine (OPV) through clinical trials between 1959 and 1961.2,3 Because OPV was not licensed in the United States until 1963, after the establishment of government regulations requiring all poliovirus vaccine to be free of SV40, vaccination with IPV from 1955 to 1963 is thought to be the primary source of human exposure to SV40 in the United States. An adenovirus vaccine developed by the United States military and used to vaccinate Army recruits during this period was also found to be highly contaminated with SV40.4 However, because of its limited distribution, this vaccine is not thought to have posed a significant risk for exposure of SV40 into the general population.

Both the Salk and Sabin vaccines, including poliovirus stocks, cell cultures, and the methodologies necessary to generate the vaccine, were distributed to many countries throughout the world. In at least some instances, vaccines produced in other countries were also contaminated with SV40 virus. A recent report provides evidence that some polio vaccines prepared by an Eastern European vaccine manufacturer were contaminated with SV40 and used in the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as late as 1978.5

So, the quotes attributed to David Ferrie and Dr Mary Sherman are potentially possible.

The Fascist Dream of Control Through Electrical Implants (be it Heath or Delgado) is naturally concerning.

It is also entirely likely that any 1960s vaccine insider with knowledge of laboratory mutagenicity tests on SV40 would have been incredibly worried.

I've made films investigating and exposing Big Pharma, and the fundamental motivation of the multinationals is not the Curing or Eradication of Disease. It is the Maximisation of Profit. A certain amount of Disease is Good for Business.

However, my core fear is that, from matters which have some historical basis and should concern us all, a sugary confection has been baked.

The Lovers, Lee and Judyth, get the best lines in this screenplay:


“We’ve created a galloping cancer,” [said Judyth Baker].… We are developing this weapon to eliminate a head of state. But what if we get Castro? Will they really just throw this stuff away?”

“It could be used as a weapon of mass distraction,” [said Lee Harvey Oswald] simply.

“Yes… think I’ll Hitler would have loved this, to use against the Jews in those camps. They could say a plague went through.”

“Or to eliminate Negroes in Africa,” Lee said with a cold tone in his voice.”

Page 391, “Me and Lee”

Lines that are overblown, anachronistic, and strike me as hugely unlikely.


This is weirdo stuff for me. Judyth Vary Baker, a completely untrained, uneducated "scientist", "genius" doing cancer research??? Never happened. Very doubtful that she even really knew Dr. Mary Sherman, or Marina Oswald's husband, the 5'9" (Lee) Harvey Oswald. or David Ferrie. Didin't her husband, Robert, say that she worked at a hamburger joint, White Castle, or something like that in New Orleans? Then later as a secretary at the Reily Coffee Company? Oswald a coffee-grinder machine oiler, wasn't he, in a far-away part of their building?

I have known real virologists and cancer researchers, and believe me, they did not become scientists right after high school or a year or so of college. It takes years of intensive study and work. And, if Dr. Mary Sherman had a cancer project going, she would have hired first-rate technical and scientific staff. So would the CIA, and even Robert G. Heath.

By the way, I was at Tulane University School of Medicine in the Department of Psychiatry and Neurology, and I know a lot about that place and the people there, a lot..

This is one very sad case of a person cleverly winding herself into a real situation, and being the "star" of the movie. There are a lot of people like this out there, and a good psychiatrrist can quickly figure them out, and so can an experienced policeman/detective. Police departments are sometimes overwhelmed by people confessing to a sensationalistic murder which they did not commit, or were not involved in in any way. This is similar to the entwinement by Judyth V. Baker into the JFK assassination and into the CIA murder plots on Fidel Castro. Even though the CIA has done some really stupid things, I can't conceive that they would have decided to use cancer virus-containing materials to eliminate someone like Castro when rifles or poisons would have been so much quicker. People can live a long time with cancer, depending upon the type of cancer and their immune systems. And also, foreign animal cells, or products injected would be quickly destroyed by a human immune system.

I wonder how many have read Ed Haslam's earlier two versions of his later book. These were titled Mary, Ferrie, and the Monkey Virus. He showed the relationship between the polio vaccine and soft-tissue cancer growths, and also figured out how Dr. Mary Sherman died. For those reasons, that much of his work has real value.

Incidentally, the person who discovered the relationship between viruses being one causative agent in inducing cancer tumor growths was Dr. Peyton Rous, when a young scientist at the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research (as it was called then, becoming Rockefeller University in the 1960s). I met him there in 1955 when I was a Visiting Investigator in Dr. David Lloyd's laboratory. Dr. Rous and I had lunch together one day and he told me how he had made his famous discovery, in 1911 (or so). He won his Nobel Prize for that work in 1967, I think it was.

Judyth could not have done those experiments.

Has anyone wondered if she could have been a witting, or even an unwitting, agent of distraction and/or disinformation? The JFK research community has certainly spent a lot of time and effort in dealing with her. Rich DellaRosa had her on for a time on his forum and then asked her to leave because it was a waste of time. His sister, a professor of Psychology, diagnosed her affliction as Pseudologia Fantastica (fantastic falseword), one of the factitious disorders. In other words, pathologiocal lying, possibly an ego defense mechanism in attempting to repair a shattered ego. There is no known treatment for it, according to psychiatric textbooks, and the cause seems to be unknown, although childhood abuse has been mentioned. She needs help, but JFK researchers should not be validating her fictional life story, because that is not helping her.

Jan Klimkowski
02-06-2012, 09:06 PM
This is weirdo stuff for me. Judyth Vary Baker, a completely untrained, uneducated "scientist", "genius" doing cancer research??? Never happened. Very doubtful that she even really knew Dr. Mary Sherman, or Marina Oswald's husband, the 5'9" (Lee) Harvey Oswald. or David Ferrie. Didin't her husband, Robert, say that she worked at a hamburger joint, White Castle, or something like that in New Orleans? Then later as a secretary at the Reily Coffee Company? Oswald a coffee-grinder machine oiler, wasn't he, in a far-away part of their building?

I have known real virologists and cancer researchers, and believe me, they did not become scientists right after high school or a year or so of college. It takes years of intensive study and work. And, if Dr. Mary Sherman had a cancer project going, she would have hired first-rate technical and scientific staff. So would the CIA, and even Robert G. Heath.


Adele - agreed.




By the way, I was at Tulane University School of Medicine in the Department of Psychiatry and Neurology, and I know a lot about that place and the people there, a lot..


Pray tell.

Robert G Heath's work is clearly part of the nexus featuring other dark luminaries such as Ewen Cameron, George Estabrooks, Jolly West and Martin Orne.

And probably your own Jose Rivera.





This is one very sad case of a person cleverly winding herself into a real situation, and being the "star" of the movie. There are a lot of people like this out there, and a good psychiatrrist can quickly figure them out, and so can an experienced policeman/detective. Police departments are sometimes overwhelmed by people confessing to a sensationalistic murder which they did not commit, or were not involved in in any way. This is similar to the entwinement by Judyth V. Baker into the JFK assassination and into the CIA murder plots on Fidel Castro. Even though the CIA has done some really stupid things, I can't conceive that they would have decided to use cancer virus-containing materials to eliminate someone like Castro when rifles or poisons would have been so much quicker. People can live a long time with cancer, depending upon the type of cancer and their immune systems. And also, foreign animal cells, or products injected would be quickly destroyed by a human immune system.

I wonder how many have read Ed Haslam's earlier two versions of his later book. These were titled Mary, Ferrie, and the Monkey Virus. He showed the relationship between the polio vaccine and soft-tissue cancer growths, and also figured out how Dr. Mary Sherman died. For those reasons, that much of his work has real value.

Incidentally, the person who discovered the relationship between viruses being one causative agent in inducing cancer tumor growths was Dr. Peyton Rous, when a young scientist at the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research (as it was called then, becoming Rockefeller University in the 1960s). I met him there in 1955 when I was a Visiting Investigator in Dr. David Lloyd's laboratory. Dr. Rous and I had lunch together one day and he told me how he had made his famous discovery, in 1911 (or so). He won his Nobel Prize for that work in 1967, I think it was.

Judyth could not have done those experiments.

Has anyone wondered if she could have been a witting, or even an unwitting, agent of distraction and/or disinformation? The JFK research community has certainly spent a lot of time and effort in dealing with her. Rich DellaRosa had her on for a time on his forum and then asked her to leave because it was a waste of time. His sister, a professor of Psychology, diagnosed her affliction as Pseudologia Fantastica (fantastic falseword), one of the factitious disorders. In other words, pathologiocal lying, possibly an ego defense mechanism in attempting to repair a shattered ego. There is no known treatment for it, according to psychiatric textbooks, and the cause seems to be unknown, although childhood abuse has been mentioned. She needs help, but JFK researchers should not be validating her fictional life story, because that is not helping her.

Adele - my best sense is entirely as you articulate above.

Judyth Vary Baker has "inserted" herself into history and now believes her own fiction.

Adele Edisen
02-07-2012, 06:55 AM
Jan,


Robert G Heath's work is clearly part of the nexus featuring other dark luminaries such as Ewen Cameron, George Estabrooks, Jolly West and Martin Orne.

And probably your own Jose Rivera.

Some of Heath's money came from the Commonwealth Fund, a front for the CIA. LSD was used on prisoners in experiments to test (?) Taraxein. a substance extracted from the blood of schizophrenics. The added LSD was probably what gave the "schizophrenic-type reactions" of the non-psychotic prisoner subjects injected with the combination. We knew this because Heath would allow only one of the biochemistry technicians to make the substances for these studies. Another biochemistry technician somehow found out about it and talked.

When Ralph Gerard (with whom I had received my doctorate) was invited to give a lecture to the Department by Heath, I managed to get some private time with him when my husband and I drove him to the airport for his flight home. I told him about the experimental work I had observed, how the patient-subjects were handled, the lack of controls in certain projects, and various errors which should not have occurred. Dr. Gerard had a lot influence in Washington, D.C., and after I left the Department some of their funding was greatly reduced.

There were many decent clinicians there; not everyone was engaged in top secret experimental work, and my husband was not involved in the experiemental work and surgery on patients. My laboratory was on the second floor where experimental patients with deep implanted brain electrodes were brought for stimulation and recording purposes just a couple of doors down the hallway, so it was difficult to not know what was going on. Also, one of the biochemistry technicians and I became friends and she and I often gossiped about activities in the Department, along with one of the secretaries.

I never heard of Ewen Cameron, George Estabrooks, Jolly West, Martin Orne while I was there, but years later, through reading I learned of them.
It was after 1975 when a lot of information began to be released.

Rivera got around and I think he was connected to CIA-MKULTRA. After all, how did he get his supply of LSD? He was at Loyola University in New Orleans in 1959-61, then went to NIH, 1962-1973. Before New Orleans he was in San Antonio, Texas, working with some Paperclip Nazis, brought here from Germany by the CIA and US Army after WW2. See Magda Hassan's post under Black Operations in February 2011. Rivera is mentioned in Hank Albarelli's article, and so am I in Part 2:

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?6630-Operation-Paperclip-CIA’s-Denial-of-Protecting-Nazis-is-Blatant-Lie-Part-1&highlight=Hank+Albarelli

I noted that you had said in your earlier post that some people you had interviewed claimed to have been experimented upon by Heath when they were children. I never saw any children, all patient subjects were adults. However, things might have changed after I left. The only children I ever saw were clinical patients on the first floor where Dr. Irv Marcus, an excellent child psychiatrist, had his office. All the clinical offices (psychotherapy treatments) were on the first floor; the labs were on the second and third floors.

Jan Klimkowski
02-07-2012, 05:59 PM
Adele - thank you.

A few questions and observations, if I may. Please don't feel obliged to respond to all.

During your time at Tulane, did you ever encounter Ralph Schwitzgebel, or his work?

Was the experimental work and theory of Harry Harlow known to Heath?

Do you have any knowledge of the work of Robert Skidmore Ecke?

Any knowledge of a Dr L(iam) Wilson Greene?

Any contact with the Chairman of the Board at Tulane, a Mr Fenner? Allegedly known as "The Magister".

Any recollection of a "stony mountain" - aka Stony Mountain? - in this context?

Any thoughts on "Were We Controlled?" by Lincoln Lawrence? Some extracts can be seen here (http://ctrl.org/essay2/WEC.html). Prof Peter Dale Scott has referred to the book in some of his essays (in PDS's case primarily in the context of alleged stock market manipulation prior to the JFK hit).

Any connection you know of between Heath and Andrija Puharich? Puharich of course links to Arthur Young and then to the Paines.

Ditto Eldon Byrd?

Anyone know if it's true that Marina Oswald had dental implants inserted during her time with the White Russian community around LHO?

The link between research into schizophrenia and the "MK-ULTRA" (in the broad sense) project is intriguing. The following excerpt is from a provocative article by Anton Chaitkin of the LaRouchies. As with all things LaRouche, it needs to be considered with a critical eye:


- 1934: The Freemasons study madness -


The Scottish Rite of Freemasonry joined the Rockefellers in sponsoring psychiatric genetics beginning in 1934, under the rubric of research into dementia praecox (schizophrenia). The highest level of U.S. masonry, the Scottish Rite was the instrument through which the British Crown had reestablished the loyalty of American masons after the American Revolution. The northern section of the Rite had rallied the Copperheads against Abraham Lincoln's Civil War efforts, aiding the Rite's southern chief Albert Pike in secession and in other British white supremacy projects, such as the Ku Klux Klan.
For eugenics, the British royal family itself was the Rite's point of reference. The Duke of Connaught, son of Queen Victoria and brother of King Edward VII, had been grand master of the United Grand Lodge of England since 1901. American masonic leaders referred to the duke as "grand master of the Mother Grand Lodge of Masons of the World.'' The son of a German father (Victoria's husband, the Coburg Prince Albert), the Duke of Connaught was deeply involved in German affairs and was a patron of Britain's "New Dark Ages'' ultra-racialist elite group based in South Africa. Late in 1932, negotiations for Hitler's takeover of Germany took place at the home of Joachim von Ribbentrop, who, as a traveling teenager, had been adopted into the household of the Duke of Connaught. Ribbentrop then became the head of Hitler's foreign intelligence service. As Hitler's ambassador to England, Ribbentrop worked in tandem with the leadership of the clique which employed Hitler as a British surrogate to smash up Europe: the masonic grand master duke and his nephew, the openly Nazi Edward VIII; Bank of England Governor Montagu Norman; and Lord Halifax, Neville Chamberlain's foreign minister.


- 1936-38: Columbia University's chamber of horrors -


In 1936, the Scottish Rite's Field Representative of Research on Dementia Praecox, Dr. Nolan D.C. Lewis, director of the New York State Psychiatric Institute, reported to the Scottish Rite Northern Supreme Council "on the progress of the fourteen research projects being financed by the Supreme Council.'' Scottish Rite strategist Winfred Overholser, the superintendent of St. Elizabeth's Hospital, a federal mental hospital in Washington D.C., provided overall leadership for the Rite's psychiatric research. Though these projects are shrouded in mystery, one of them with particularly gruesome results has come to light.
The study of hereditary degeneracy was proceeding in the Rockefeller Foundation's German enclaves when it hit a snag. Psychiatrist Franz J. Kallmann, protege of Nazi race science chief Ernst Rudin, was forced to leave his job-- Kallmann was "half-Jewish.'' This was a big blow for Kallmann, who had proved his Nazi credentials at the International Congress for Population Science in Berlin in 1935. At that British-led meeting hosted by Hitler's Interior Ministry, Kallmann had argued for the sterilization of "even the apparently healthy relatives" of schizophrenics, along with the schizophrenics themselves, to securely eliminate all the defective germ plasm. Without missing a step, Kallmann emigrated to America and became director of research in the New York State Psychiatric Institute, attached to Columbia University in Manhattan. The Scottish Rite's Dr. Lewis was the director of the institute. Kallmann simply continued in New York the Nazi propaganda work he had been doing for Rockefeller in Germany. The Scottish Rite of Freemasonry paid Kallmann to conduct a study of over 1, 000 cases of schizophrenia, in order to assert the claim that the mental disorder was inherited.
Kallmann's study was published simultaneously in the United States and Nazi Germany in 1938. In the preface, Kallmann thanked the Scottish Rite and his mentor Rudin. He called schizophrenics a "source of maladjusted crooks ... and the lowest types of criminal offenders. Even the faithful believer in liberty ... would be happier without those.'' He declared sarcastically, "I am reluctant to admit the necessity of different eugenic programs for democratic and fascistic communities.... There are neither biological nor sociological differences between a democratic and a totalitarian schizophrenic.'' Kallmann's scholarly American study was used by the Nazi government's T4 unit as a part of its pretext to begin in 1939 the murder of mental patients and various other "defective'' people, many or most of them children. Lethal gas and lethal injections were used to kill 200-250,000 under this program, in which the staffs for a broader program of mass murder were desensitized and trained.

(snip)

After the war, Mengele was a famous target of Nazi-hunters pursuing him to South America. But his boss, Verschuer, was regarded in a different light: He was a high-level Rockefeller operative. In 1946, Verschuer wrote to the Bureau of Human Heredity in London, asking for help in continuing his "scientific research. '' In 1947, the Bureau of Human Heredity moved from London to Copenhagen, and Verschuer moved to Denmark to join the British group there. The new Danish building for this group was erected with Rockefeller money. The first International Congress in Human Genetics following World War II was held at this Danish institute in 1956. Dr. Kallmann helped save Verschuer by testifying at his denazification proceedings. Kallmann, a director of the American Eugenics Society, became an icon at the New York State Psychiatric Institute, which remains to this day a nest of the Eugenics Society. With Verschuer and other Nazi notables, Dr. Kallmann also created the American Society of Human Genetics, which organized the "Human Genome Project''--a current $3 billion physical multiculturalism effort.


- 1943: research in North America -


With the war on, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Canadian military joined their psychiatric forces. Canadian Army medical director Dr. George Brock Chisholm had been trained as a psychiatrist at the Tavistock Psychiatric Clinic in London, and Tavistock--the British Crown's central mind-bending agency-- was a major Rockefeller Foundation beneficiary. In 1943, the Rockefeller Foundation created the Allen Memorial Institute at McGill University in Montreal. Eugenics- oriented psychiatrist Donald Ewen Cameron, a Scottish immigrant to the United States, was placed in charge of the institute's psychiatry. Experiments in coercive interrogation and brainwashing would be conducted at Allen Institute under the auspices of the Canadian military, the Rockefeller Foundation, and the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency. Dr. Cameron's "terminal'' use of electric shock as a brain-burning torture, psychosurgery, and brainwashing with drugs and hypnosis would make the Canadian program the most famous apsect of the CIA's MK- Ultra.
Meanwhile, in Washington, D.C., a new odor, that of marijuana, could be detected inside St. Elizabeth's Hospital in Washington, D.C. (St. Elizabeth's is the mental hospital where presidential assailants or other federal cases are kept.) The superintendent, Scottish Rite chief psychiatrist Winfred Overholser, was in 1943 the chairman of the misnamed "truth drug'' committee for the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). The criminal underworld was systematically being brought into official but secret joint activities with the government, under the pretext of fighting fascism. Overholser's crew administered the hallucinogen mescaline to various test subjects. Then in the spring of 1943, they perfected the right mix of marijuana and tobacco to produce a "state of irresponsibility'' in the subject. The official OSS story is that New York mafia hitman August Del Gracio began smoking Overholser's "joints'' on May 27, 1943, in order to loosen his tongue. Federal agents were thus supposedly to learn the inside secrets of drug trafficking--but not to stop it. This was part of an ongoing federal program, which organized crime czar Meyer Lansky boasts (in his authorized biography) that he personally arranged. Mafia thugs were brought in to work in Naval Intelligence offices, and jointly with U.S. agents in U.S. ports and shipping, to more effectively intimidate our national enemies. Former CIA staff member John Marks writes in The Search for the Manchurian Candidate that Overholser's working group included counterintelligence agents inside the Manhattan Project atomic bomb project, and the FBI, which was under the direction of Dr. Overholser's Scottish Rite comrade, FBI director J. Edgar Hoover. The Overholser group gave marijuana to U.S. soldiers at Army bases throughout the country, supposedly to aid in the search for subversives. Later, during the 1950s and 1960s, the strategists of the MK- Ultra project would utilize the same channels of influence with U.S. security agencies to let them transform a generation of youth into dope users.


1944-48: after Nazism, the International Congress on Mental Health


In 1944, with the concentration camps in full swing and Europe burning, Montagu Norman resigned from the Bank of England. He immediately began a new project, ironically related to his own repeated mental breakdowns and hospitalizations. Norman organized the British National Association for Mental Health. In its formative stages the group was based at Thorpe Lodge, Norman's London home, where he had met with Nazi Economics Minister Hjalmar Schacht to plan the Hitler regime's 1930s budgets. Montagu Norman's Bank of England assistant Otto Niemeyer was made treasurer of the National Association of Mental Health. Niemeyer's niece, Mary Appleby, became general secretary of the association. She previously worked in the German Section of the British Foreign Office. The president of Norman's association was to be Richard Austen ("RAB'') Butler. He had been deputy foreign minister to Lord Halifax and the spokesman in the British Parliament for the pro-Nazi policy. The chairman of the association was to be be Lord Halifax's son-in-law, the Earl of Feversham. The vice chairman was Lord Montagu Norman's wife, eugenics activist Priscilla Reyntiens Worsthorne Norman. Norman's British group would soon expand and to take over management of the world psychiatric profession.
When the war ended, the exposure and punishment of those responsible for the Nazi barbarities was a rather delicate matter. Dr. Donald Ewen Cameron interrupted his Canadian brain butchery to go help the British Crown's Tavistock psychological warfare unit evaluate the sanity of Nazi official Rudolph Hess. Cameron's unique insights into the Nazi mentality had made him a valued part of a secret wartime psychiatric committee in Washington to assess the trends in the Nazi leadership's thinking. Cameron now testified as an expert at the Nuremberg war crimes trials. His old OSS colleague Allen Dulles, later the CIA director, was reportedly pleased by Cameron's suggestion that each surviving German over the age of 12 should be given electroshock treatment to burn out remaining vestiges of Nazism. That part of the Nuremberg Code dealing with scientific research was drafted by Boston psychiatrist Leo Alexander; he soon afterward joined with Auschwitz experimental mastermind Otmar Verschuer in Franz Kallmann's American Society of Human Genetics.
In 1948, Montagu Norman's National Association for Mental Health gathered the world psychiatric and psychological leaders together at an International Congress on Mental Health at the United Kingdom's Ministry of Health in London. At this congress, a World Federation for Mental Health was formed, to run the planet's psychological services. Lady Norman, the hostess of the congress, was named to the executive board. Norman picked as president of the World Federation the chief of the British military's psychological warfare department, Tavistock Institute chief Brig. Gen. Dr. John Rawlings Rees.
In connection with the founding of the World Federation for Mental Health, a New York agent of Montagu Norman named Clarence G. Michalis was made chairman of the board of the Josiah Macy, Jr. Foundation.

(snip)

Other parts of the U.S. government participated in the project exposed as MK-Ultra. The Army Chemical Center paid for LSD and related drug brainwashing experiments by Dr. Paul Hoch. Along with Nazi eugenics leader Franz Kallmann, Hoch co-directed the research at Columbia University's New York State Psychiatric Institute. Dr. Hoch was a member of the American Eugenics Society, in Kallmann's eugenics cell at the institute. Hoch was simultaneously appointed State Mental Hygiene Commissioner by New York Gov. Averell Harriman, and was reappointed by the next governor, Nelson Rockefeller. Dr. Hoch's forced injections of a mescaline derivative brought about the 1953 death of New York tennis player Harold Blauer. Hoch's colleague Dr. James Cattell later told investigators, "We didn't know whether it was dog piss or what it was we were giving him.'' When Hoch died, British brain butcher Ewen Cameron directed his funeral.
Dr. Hoch, a Scottish Rite masonic strategist, worked with Dr. Kallman under the direction of Scottish Rite Freemasonry's Field Representative of Research on Dementia Praecox, Dr. Nolan D.C. Lewis, the superintendent of the New York State Psychiatric Institute. As the Ku Klux Klan has been the defining project for the Scottish Rite's Southern Jurisdiction, the Rite's Northern Jurisdiction left its official mark on the world through MK- Ultra--its most important "charity.'' Much of the psychiatric dirty work, though, has been done inside the Rite's KKK-spawning Southern Jurisdiction, which includes all southern states and everything west of the Mississippi River. Robert Hanna Felix, 33rd degree mason, was a director of the Scottish Rite's psychiatric research. He ran a spectacularly lawless brainwashing establishment.
The exposure of the MK-Ultra scandal revealed that the CIA had funded one Dr. Harris Isbell to carry out barbarous experiments using slave subjects, nearly all of them black drug addicts, at the Addiction Research Center in Lexington, Kentucky. Isbell was the director of the center from the 1940s until 1963. His boss was masonic master psychiatrist Felix, who founded the National Institute of Mental Health and was NIMH director from 1949 to 1964. The Lexington facility had been Dr. Felix's personal project since he had been its clinical director in the 1930s, and he put it under the jurisdiction of the NIMH. The Felix-Isbell slave experiments involved LSD and a wide variety of other hallucinogens and exotic poisons. In one case, seven prisoners were kept hallucinating on LSD for 77 consecutive days. The torture at Lexington followed the pattern developed by Cameron in Montreal: Drug-induced sleep was interrupted by electroconvulsive shock. Cooperative subjects were rewarded with shots of heroin or any other drug of their choice. And for mental health, the masonic administration encouraged the prisoners to participate in synthetic religious and political cults.
Felix's program was not simply to make humans into controllable beasts, but to decentralize the zombie- manufacturing. A 1993 report to the Scottish Rite Supreme Council by its current psychiatric research director, Steven Matthysse, explains: "Thirty years ago, a massive program began, which has continued unabated to this day: the deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill.... My predecessor as research director of the Schizophrenia Research Program, Dr. Robert H. Felix, 33 Degree, Gourgas medalist and the founding director of the National Institute of Mental Health, was one of the chief architects of this program. 'We are entering a new era,' he wrote, 'of community-centered, comprehensive psychiatric care.'... Dr. Felix predicted that, in 25 years, 'State mental hospitals as we know them would no longer exist.' He was right.... During the years from 1955 to 1992, the state mental hospital census went down by 82%.'' The strategists of MK-Ultra succeeded in moving the mentally ill out of costly mental hospitals, onto the streets, where they now consitute a large proportion of America's homeless. We shall now see what kind of "community-centered psychiatric care'' these strategists did in fact implement, as Britain's MK-Ultra poured drugs into the country and worked to fabricate the drug- sex youth culture.
Seymour Solomon Kety was both an executive of the Scottish Rite's psychiatry experiments, and a Scottish Rite- funded clinical experimenter. He was chief of NIMH clinical sciences from 1957 through 1967, and continued as the NIMH "senior scientist'' into the 1990s. A close associate of the Kallmann Nazi-eugenics cell at Columbia, Kety was a national director of the American Eugenics Society, under its 1980s name, the Society for the Study of Social Biology. Kety helped lead the masons' U.S. agency, the NIMH, beyond the Kentucky experiments, to the brink of Hell.

Full Chaitkin article here (http://fakeapoc.tripod.com/writings_by_others/british_psychiatry_from_eugenics_to_assassination. htm).

Adele Edisen
02-07-2012, 09:23 PM
Jan, Oh, WOW. I'll answer in bits and pieces:

A few questions and observations, if I may. Please don't feel obliged to respond to all.

During your time at Tulane, did you ever encounter Ralph Schwitzgebel, or his work? No, name is not familiar to me. Was he associated with Heath's Department?

Was the experimental work and theory of Harry Harlow known to Heath? Yes, we all discussed it. About the baby monkeys and their mothers?

Do you have any knowledge of the work of Robert Skidmore Ecke? No, again, name not familiar to me.

Any knowledge of a Dr L(iam) Wilson Greene? No, as above.

Any contact with the Chairman of the Board at Tulane, a Mr Fenner? Allegedly known as "The Magister". This name strikes a bell, but I have no distinct memory of this person.

Any recollection of a "stony mountain" - aka Stony Mountain? - in this context? No. Not the Stone Mountain in Georgia?

Any thoughts on "Were We Controlled?" by Lincoln Lawrence? Some extracts can be seen here. Prof Peter Dale Scott has referred to the book in some of his essays (in PDS's case primarily in the context of alleged stock market manipulation prior to the JFK hit). I read that book, but it's so long ago that there is not much, other than a robotic-like manipulation produced in people. It seemed almost like science fiction when I read it.

Any connection you know of between Heath and Andrija Puharich? Puharich of course links to Arthur Young and then to the Paines. No, none whatsoever.

Ditto Eldon Byrd? No. Any relationship to the owner of the Texas School Book Depository Building at an earlier time?

Anyone know if it's true that Marina Oswald had dental implants inserted during her time with the White Russian community around LHO? I know nothing of this.

Adele

Jan Klimkowski
02-07-2012, 09:53 PM
Adele - I don't want to contaminate information, so I'll be discreet online.

Here's a little more though.

Ecke was involved in a proto-"MK ULTRA" case - ie MK ULTRA before it existed. Namely the Dimitrov affair. See here (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?3244-Dimitrov-JFK-and-Torture...&highlight=ecke), for example.

Re Harry Harlow, I posted the below elsewhere (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?223-The-MK-ULTRA-iceberg&highlight=harlow) on DPF. In that thread, I start to sketch out a philosophical and scientific framework for understanding the purposes and context of "MK-ULTRA".

Harlow received lots of military money and resources.

I am highly suspicious of the real intentions and uses of his "research", and suspect covert experimentation occurred and was shared within the "MK-ULTRA" network:



In Harlow's classic experiment, two groups of baby rhesus monkeys were removed from their mothers. In the first group, a terrycloth mother provided no food, while a wire mother did, in the form of an attached baby bottle containing milk. In the second group, a terrycloth mother provided food; the wire mother did not. It was found that the young monkeys clung to the terrycloth mother whether or not it provided them with food, and that the young monkeys chose the wire surrogate only when it provided food.

Whenever a frightening stimulus was brought into the cage, the monkeys ran to the cloth mother for protection and comfort, no matter which mother provided them with food. This response decreased as the monkeys grew older.

When the monkeys were placed in an unfamiliar room with their cloth surrogate, they clung to it until they felt secure enough to explore. Once they began to explore, they occasionally returned to the cloth mother for comfort. Monkeys placed in an unfamiliar room without their cloth mothers acted very differently. They froze in fear and cried, crouched down, or sucked their thumbs. Some even ran from object to object, apparently searching for the cloth mother, as they cried and screamed. Monkeys placed in this situation with their wire mothers exhibited the same behavior as the monkeys with no mother.

Once the monkeys reached an age where they could eat solid foods, they were separated from their cloth mothers for three days. When they were reunited with their mothers, they clung to them and did not venture off to explore as they had in previous situations. Harlow concluded from this that the need for contact comfort was stronger than the need to explore.

The study found that monkeys who were raised with either a wire mother or a cloth mother gained weight at the same rate. However, the monkeys that had only a wire mother had trouble digesting the milk and suffered from diarrhea more frequently. Harlow's interpretation of this behavior, which is still widely accepted, was that lack of contact comfort was psychologically stressful to the monkeys.

The importance of these findings is that they contradicted both the then common pedagogic advice of limiting or avoiding bodily contact in an attempt to avoid spoiling children and the insistence of the then dominant behaviorist school of psychology that emotions were negligible. Feeding was thought to be the most important factor in the formation of a mother-child bond. Harlow concluded, however, that nursing strengthened the mother-child bond because of the intimate body contact that it provided. He described his experiments as a study of love. He also believed that contact comfort could be provided by either mother or father. Though widely accepted now, this idea was revolutionary at the time.

Critics of Harlow's research have observed that clinging is a matter of survival in young rhesus monkeys, but not in humans, and have suggested that his conclusions, when applied to humans, overestimate the importance of contact comfort and underestimate the importance of nursing.[3]

Harlow first reported the results of these experiments in "The nature of love," the title of his address to the sixty-sixth Annual Convention of the American Psychological Association, Washington, D.C., August 31, 1958.

From around 1960 onwards, Harlow and his students began publishing their observations on the effects of partial and total social isolation. Partial isolation involved raising monkeys in bare wire cages that allowed them to see, smell, and hear other monkeys, but provided no opportunity for physical contact. Total social isolation involved rearing monkeys in isolation chambers that precluded any and all contact with other monkeys.

Harlow et al. reported that partial isolation resulted in various abnormalities such as blank staring, stereotyped repetitive circling in their cages, and self-mutilation. These monkeys were then observed in various settings. Some of the monkeys remained in solitary confinement for 15 years.[4]

In the total isolation experiments baby monkeys would be left alone for three, six, 12, or 24[5][6] months of "total social deprivation." The experiments produced monkeys that were severely psychologically disturbed. Harlow wrote:


No monkey has died during isolation. When initially removed from total social isolation, however, they usually go into a state of emotional shock, characterized by ... autistic self-clutching and rocking. One of six monkeys isolated for 3 months refused to eat after release and died 5 days later. The autopsy report attributed death to emotional anorexia. ... The effects of 6 months of total social isolation were so devastating and debilitating that we had assumed initially that 12 months of isolation would not produce any additional decrement. This assumption proved to be false; 12 months of isolation almost obliterated the animals socially ...[1]





The pit of despair is a colloquial term for the vertical chamber apparatus, a device used in experiments conducted on rhesus macaque monkeys during the 1970s by American comparative psychologist Harry Harlow and his students at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.[1] The term was first used by Harlow himself to describe his intentions for its use, and was subsequently adopted by critics of his research. The aim of the research was to produce an animal model of human clinical depression.

The vertical chamber was little more than a stainless-steel trough with sides that sloped to a rounded bottom. A 3/8 in. wire mesh floor 1 in. above the bottom of the chamber allowed waste material to drop through the drain and out of holes drilled in the stainless-steel. The chamber was equipped with a food box and a water-bottle holder, and was covered with a pyramid top [removed in the accompanying photograph], designed to discourage incarcerated subjects from hanging from the upper part of the chamber. [2]

Harlow placed baby monkeys in the chamber alone for up to one year. Within a few days, they stopped moving about and remained huddled in a corner. The monkeys were found to be psychotic when removed from the chamber, and most did not recover.

Harry Harlow was also, visibly, from time to time, the US Army's Head of Human Resources Research and a consultant to the US Army Scientific Advisory Panel.

Let's just break that down. There were periods when Harlow officially ran the US Army's scientific research into "human resources"?

Monkeys?

Yes. And more.

Regarding Schwitzgebel, the following passage is from Martin Cannon's unpublished manuscript The Controllers:


Other researchers have made notable contributions to this field. Robert G. "Bob" Heath, of Tulane University, who has implanted as many as 125 electrodes in his subjects, achieved his greatest notoriety by attempting to "cure" homosexuality through ESB. In his experiments, he discovered that he could control his patients' memory, (a feat which, applied in the ufological context, may account for the phenomenon of "missing time"); he could also induce sexual arousal, fear, pleasure, and hallucinations [34].

Heath and another researcher, James Olds [35], have independently illustrated that areas of the brain in and near the hypothalamus have, when electronically stimulated, what has been described as "rewarding" and "aversive" effects. Both animals and men, when given the means to induce their own ESB of the brain's pleasure centers, will stimulate themselves at a tremendous rate, ignoring such basic drives as hunger and thirst [36]. (Using fixed electrodes of his own invention, John C. Lilly had accomplished similar effects in the early 1950s[37].) Anyone who has studied the abduction phenomenon will find himself on familiar territory here, for the abductee accounts are replete with stories of bewildering and inappropriate sexual response countered by extremely painful stimuli -- operant conditioning, at its most extreme, and most insidious, for here we see a form of conditioning in which the manipulator renders himself invisible. Indeed, B.F. Skinner-esque aversive therapy, remotely applied, was Heath's prescription for "healing" homosexuality [38].

Ralph Schwitzgebel and his brother Robert have produced a panoply of devices for tracking individuals over long ranges; they may be considered the creators of the "electronic house arrest" devices recently approved by the courts [39]. Schwitzgebel devices could be used for tracking all the physical and neurological signs of a "patient" within a quarter of a mile [40], thereby lifting the distance limitations which restricted Delgado.

In Ralph Schwitzgebel's initial work, application of this technology to ESB seems to have been limited to cumbersome brain implants with protruding wires. But the technology was soon miniaturized, and a scheme was proposed whereby radio receivers would be mounted on utility poles throughout a given city, thereby providing 24-hour-a-day monitoring capability [41]. Like Heath, Schwitzgebel was much exercised about homosexuality and the use of intracranial devices to combat sexual deviation. But he has also spoken ominously about applying his devices to "socially troublesome persons"... which, of course, could mean anyone [42].

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34. Thomas, JOURNEY INTO MADNESS, 276.

35. James Olds, "Hypothalamic Substrates of Reward," PHYSIOLOGICAL REVIEWS, 1962, 42:554; "Emotional Centers in the Brain," SCIENCE JOURNAL, 1967, 3 (5).

36. Vernon Mark and Frank Ervin, VIOLENCE AND THE BRAIN (New York: Harper and Row, 1970), chapter 12, excerpted in INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND THE FEDERAL ROLE IN BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION, prepared by the Staff of the Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights of the Committee of the Judiciary, United States Senate (Washington: Government Printing Office, 1974).

37. John Lilly, THE SCIENTIST (Berkeley, Ronin Publishing, 1988 [revised edition]), 90. Monkeys allowed to stimulate themselves continually via ESB brought themselves to orgasm once every three minutes, sixteen hours a day. Scientific gatherings throughout the world saw motion pictures of these experiments, which surely made spectacular cinema.

38. Scheflin and Opton, THE MIND MANIPULATORS, 336-337. Heath even monitored his patient's brain responses during the subject's first heterosexual encounter. Such is the nature of the brave new world before us.

39. Robert L. Schwitzgebel and Richard M. Bird, "Sociotechnical Design Factors in Remote Instrumentation with Humans in Natural Environments," BEHAVIOR RESEARCH METHODS AND INSTRUMENTATION, 1970, 2, 99-105.

40. Thomas, JOURNEY INTO MADNESS, 277. In the BEHAVIOR RESEARCH METHODS AND INSTRUMENTATION article referenced above, Schwitzgebel details how the radio signals may be fed into a telephone via a modem and thus analyzed by a computer anywhere in the world.

41. Scheflin and Opton, THE MIND MANIPULATORS, 347-349.

42. Louis Tackwood and the Citizen's Research and Investigation Committee, THE GLASS HOUSE TAPES (New York: Avon, 1973), 226.

Jan Klimkowski
02-07-2012, 10:35 PM
For the record, here's a source (http://individual.utoronto.ca/vicedo/vicedoca/Publications_files/Vicedo_Harlow.pdf) for Harry Harlow's visible high level military connections:


Thus, by the time he started to study love in the mid 1950s, Harlow already had considerable
experience with monkeys and fame. He had established himself as a leading comparative
psychologist. From 1950 to 1952, he was the Army’s Chief Psychologist and he helped to
create the Human Resources Research Office, a major military social science research center
in Washington, D.C. Besides his work on learning and motivation on monkeys, he had also
done extensive work on the cortical localization of intellectual functions and on radiation
effects. In 1951 he became the editor of the major journal in comparative psychology, the
Journal of Comparative and Physiological Psychology. The same year he was elected a member
of the National Academy of Sciences. In 1958 he became president of the American
Psychological Association. In his presidential speech he presented his new research on mother
love, research that would turn him into one of the most famous and influential psychologists
of the twentieth century.

MOTHERS, MACHINES, AND MORALS: HARRY HARLOW’S WORK
ON PRIMATE LOVE FROM LAB TO LEGEND
MARGA VICEDO
Journal of the History of the Behavioral Sciences, Vol. 45(3), 193–218 Summer 2009
Published online in Wiley Interscience (www.interscience.wiley.com). DOI 10.1002/jhbs.20378

Jan Klimkowski
02-07-2012, 10:58 PM
Then, there's this (http://www.jstor.org/pss/2785980).

Harry Harlow and Jolly West.

In 1956-7.

US Airforce research.

Writing about Apple Pie and Yellow Brick Roads and Bluebirds....


Brainwashing, Conditioning and DDD (Debility, Dependency and Dread)

Authors:

IE Farber (State University of Iowa), Harry F Harlow (University of Wisconsin) and Louis Jolyon West (University of Oklahoma School of Medicine

They Lust for Control of every move, every twitch, every emotion, every dream ....

Charles Drago
02-08-2012, 12:08 AM
"The total is equal to the sum of its parts."

Said the monkey to the ...

Adele Edisen
02-08-2012, 02:54 AM
Jan,
A little detour before I get back to the mainstream. I thought you might find this book of interest, regarding the early British & US/German relationship of 1934. Title: CONJURING HITLER by
Guido Giacomo Preparata.

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Book Description
Publication Date: April 27, 2005
A fascinating and controversial new perspective on Hitler's rise to power; Provides startling evidence of Britain and America's financial support for the Third Reich; Suggests that the western elite deliberately supported Nazism in the pre-war period to destabilise any alliance between Germany and Russia Nazism is usually depicted as an eerie German phenomenon, the outcome of political blunders and unique economic factors: we are told that it could not be prevented, and that it will never be repeated. Guido Giacomo Preparata shows that the truth is very different: using meticulous economic analysis, he reveals that Hitler's extraordinary rise to power was actually facilitated over the course of a decade following WWI - and eventually financed - by the British and American political classes. Tracing events in the Third Reich, Preparata offers a startling history of Anglo-American geopolitical interests in the early twentieth century. He explains that Britain, still clinging to its empire, was terrified of an alliance forming between Germany and Russia. He shows how Britain, through the Bank of England, came to exercise some control over Weimar and how Britain's financial support for Hitler enabled the Nazis to seize power. Nazism was not regarded as an aberration: for the British establishment of the time, it was a convenient way of destabilising Europe, and driving Germany into conflict with Stalinist Russia. In this way Britain ensured that it would prevent the formation of any rival continental power block. Guido Giacomo Preparata lays bare the economic forces at play in the Third Reich, and identifies the key players in the British and American establishment who aided Hitler's meteoric rise.
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Jan wrote:


- 1934: The Freemasons study madness -


The Scottish Rite of Freemasonry joined the Rockefellers in sponsoring psychiatric genetics beginning in 1934, under the rubric of research into dementia praecox (schizophrenia). The highest level of U.S. masonry, the Scottish Rite was the instrument through which the British Crown had reestablished the loyalty of American masons after the American Revolution. The northern section of the Rite had rallied the Copperheads against Abraham Lincoln's Civil War efforts, aiding the Rite's southern chief Albert Pike in secession and in other British white supremacy projects, such as the Ku Klux Klan.
For eugenics, the British royal family itself was the Rite's point of reference. The Duke of Connaught, son of Queen Victoria and brother of King Edward VII, had been grand master of the United Grand Lodge of England since 1901. American masonic leaders referred to the duke as "grand master of the Mother Grand Lodge of Masons of the World.'' The son of a German father (Victoria's husband, the Coburg Prince Albert), the Duke of Connaught was deeply involved in German affairs and was a patron of Britain's "New Dark Ages'' ultra-racialist elite group based in South Africa. Late in 1932, negotiations for Hitler's takeover of Germany took place at the home of Joachim von Ribbentrop, who, as a traveling teenager, had been adopted into the household of the Duke of Connaught. Ribbentrop then became the head of Hitler's foreign intelligence service. As Hitler's ambassador to England, Ribbentrop worked in tandem with the leadership of the clique which employed Hitler as a British surrogate to smash up Europe: the masonic grand master duke and his nephew, the openly Nazi Edward VIII; Bank of England Governor Montagu Norman; and Lord Halifax, Neville Chamberlain's foreign minister.
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Adele

Adele Edisen
02-08-2012, 05:10 AM
Jan,

I just finished reading all of your posts. Thank you for all that. It's ovewhelming. Seems that the CIA, Army, etc. have duplicated and even gone far beyond what the Nazis and other fascists had done. The Nazis achieved powerful control over people in their concentration camps. Not many inmates tried to escape or resist, and only a few guards (armed, of course) were needed to control hundreds of prisoners. Why weren't there more attempts to resist or escape?

Bruno Bettelheim, in his book, THE INFORMED HEART, seemed to think that the effects of starvation, humiliation, and dehuminization effects of life in these camps kept people from
even trying to escape or resist. He made an interesting observation, though, based on ckass origins of the prisoners. Those from the comfortable upper and middle classes were most adversely affected by camp life, more likely to become "the walking dead" zombie-like creatures. Those from the working classes and less fortunate stations in life fared better, perhaps because they had experienced stresses in life and had repeatedly overcome deprivations. Those who had an understanding of the political nature of their imprisonment, the socialists and commmunists, seemed to do better - possibly being the ones most likely to have plans and goals for their life, or plans to fight back somehow.

Viktor Frankl, another psychologist who specialized in treating the mental problems of survivors of the concentration camps, noted that those who had a purpose for living and future plans had a healtier prognosis than did those who pitied themselves and sunk into deep depressions with no goals or purpose. He himself had also been imprisoned in a concentration camp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Frankl

Adele

Albert Doyle
02-08-2012, 06:52 AM
I'd have to disagree and say Baker would be a perfect black op researcher exactly because of her unbelievability. In other words she's 'plausibly deniable'. Oschner could run the brainwork and directing side of things. In my opinion Baker is too deep in to it from what she knows, like the Clinton visit, to be making it up.

Magda Hassan
02-08-2012, 08:33 AM
Jan,
A little detour before I get back to the mainstream. I thought you might find this book of interest, regarding the early British & US/German relationship of 1934. Title: CONJURING HITLER by
Guido Giacomo Preparata.

Adele

Yes! A very good read. History as they don't teach in school.

Jan Klimkowski
02-08-2012, 10:46 PM
Adele -thank you for your comments and insights.

Thank you for your courageous testimony.

I regard Harlow as key to understanding the MO, the mentality, of these arrogant men.

In a binary moment, the bard Pynchon wrote:

Manicheans who see two rockets . . . a good rocket to take us to the stars, an evil rocket for the World’s suicide, the two perpetually in struggle... The rocket has to be many things . . . it must survive heresies, and heretics there will be: Gnostics who have been taken in a rush of wind and fire to chambers of the rocket throne.

Did these luminaries research schizophrenia to "cure" the condition?

Or to learn how to create a schizophrenic?

Adele - please take a look at the thread here (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?122-False-Memory-Syndrome-Foundation&).

Orne.

West.

Singer.

Assorted paedophiles.

Claiming scientific and intellectual superiority. Primacy.

Cameron's "psychic driving" brutally wiped the brain to create a tabula rasa to enable the implantation of a new psyche, that of the "model citizen".

A perfect mind for the world's salvation, a patsy brain for the world's subjugation....

Adele Edisen
02-09-2012, 06:44 AM
Adele -thank you for your comments and insights.

Thank you for your courageous testimony.

I regard Harlow as key to understanding the MO, the mentality, of these arrogant men.

In a binary moment, the bard Pynchon wrote:

Manicheans who see two rockets . . . a good rocket to take us to the stars, an evil rocket for the World’s suicide, the two perpetually in struggle... The rocket has to be many things . . . it must survive heresies, and heretics there will be: Gnostics who have been taken in a rush of wind and fire to chambers of the rocket throne.

Did these luminaries research schizophrenia to "cure" the condition?

Or to learn how to create a schizophrenic?

Adele - please take a look at the thread here (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?122-False-Memory-Syndrome-Foundation&).

Orne.

West.

Singer.

Assorted paedophiles.

Claiming scientific and intellectual superiority. Primacy.

Cameron's "psychic driving" brutally wiped the brain to create a tabula rasa to enable the implantation of a new psyche, that of the "model citizen".

A perfect mind for the world's salvation, a patsy brain for the world's subjugation....

Jan,

Thank you!

I just finished reading the 4 pages of thread you had recommended. Fantastic, horrifying stuff that sent shivers down my spine.

Although I left that Department in the late 1950s, I did get some information about the people there later. Dr. Irv Marcus had gone in to private practice; Dr. Harold Lief and his wife divorced and, get this- he moved into bachelor quarters with Clay Shaw in the French Quarter!

Did you ever read THE TERMINAL MAN by Michael Crichton? It's based on a true story of a man with electrodes in his head. That piece of work was done by Frank Erwin, formerly of the Tulane Department of Psychiatry and Neurology.

I noticed Dr. Colin Ross' name in one of the postings. He's here in Texas with a clinic of his own. A brief talk by Dr. Ross:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP9W7qsWtlM

You, and others, certainly have done a lot of work on these subjects. Thank you.

Adele

Peter Lemkin
02-09-2012, 07:31 AM
Adele Edisen wrote:
Dr. Harold Lief and his wife divorced and, get this- he moved into bachelor quarters with Clay Shaw in the French Quarter! WOW! Adele! This needs further looking into....took me by surprise and then it is just more of the 'same old, same old...'!

I've long asked myself why it is that many of the players in the JFK Assassination also had dabbled in mind-control work or related. Then there is the interesting fact that JFK had dabbled with LSD with Mary Meyer and 'they' knew this [likely via her husband -then estranged - who was spying on her activities with JFK]....very strange! Mary Meyer was murdered [I'm quite sure by the same cabal that did in JFK] to silence her from speaking - and the info on the LSD, for some reason, also needed to be hidden.

Adele Edisen
02-10-2012, 08:33 AM
Adele Edisen wrote:
Dr. Harold Lief and his wife divorced and, get this- he moved into bachelor quarters with Clay Shaw in the French Quarter! WOW! Adele! This needs further looking into....took me by surprise and then it is just more of the 'same old, same old...'!

I've long asked myself why it is that many of the players in the JFK Assassination also had dabbled in mind-control work or related. Then there is the interesting fact that JFK had dabbled with LSD with Mary Meyer and 'they' knew this [likely via her husband -then estranged - who was spying on her activities with JFK]....very strange! Mary Meyer was murdered [I'm quite sure by the same cabal that did in JFK] to silence her from speaking - and the info on the LSD, for some reason, also needed to be hidden.

Peter,

And one thing that Col. Jose Rivera said to me when talking about "it" happenong ("it" referring to the impending JFK assassination) was that "the Director of the International Trade Mart is involved in this." At the time I did not know who that would have been, but in retrospect it only could have been Clay Shaw.

Clay Shaw had some very interesting names in his address book. and was involved in an international organization, Permindex. He worked for the CIA, and his death also was mysterious.

Adele

Peter Lemkin
02-10-2012, 09:21 AM
Adele Edisen wrote:
Dr. Harold Lief and his wife divorced and, get this- he moved into bachelor quarters with Clay Shaw in the French Quarter! WOW! Adele! This needs further looking into....took me by surprise and then it is just more of the 'same old, same old...'!

I've long asked myself why it is that many of the players in the JFK Assassination also had dabbled in mind-control work or related. Then there is the interesting fact that JFK had dabbled with LSD with Mary Meyer and 'they' knew this [likely via her husband -then estranged - who was spying on her activities with JFK]....very strange! Mary Meyer was murdered [I'm quite sure by the same cabal that did in JFK] to silence her from speaking - and the info on the LSD, for some reason, also needed to be hidden.

Peter,

And one thing that Col. Jose Rivera said to me when talking about "it" happenong ("it" referring to the impending JFK assassination) was that "the Director of the International Trade Mart is involved in this." At the time I did not know who that would have been, but in retrospect it only could have been Clay Shaw.

Clay Shaw had some very interesting names in his address book. and was involved in an international organization, Permindex. He worked for the CIA, and his death also was mysterious.

Adele

Yes, Shaw/Bertrand was CIA and involved in Permindex and some other groupings. He must have known Rivera and vice versa. He was certainly involved in sheep-dipping Oswald and likely in some ways with those who helped plan the operation and/or the setting up of patsies. His death was suspicious. Garrison was really on track....generally.....but due to massive CIA infiltration of his investigation was derailed and shunted onto side tracks.....so he missed the main one in the confusion. Sad, isn't it, that there has never been a real investigation nor court case since Garrison. Even his was controlled [unbeknown to him]. The other 'investigations' were either total or partial cover-ups and controlled by the very same groupings that killed or covered-up the assassination. Very sad history. Again, the cross-over of mind-control, drug and biological agent testing with the assassination [to me] needs some clearer explanation....although it could be simply chance [it could have been arms people or drug-dealing people or Fed people, but it seems to have been - or had been made to SEEM like it was this grouping. Wheels within wheels within wheels, within......ad infinitum.

Jan Klimkowski
02-10-2012, 06:10 PM
And one thing that Col. Jose Rivera said to me when talking about "it" happenong ("it" referring to the impending JFK assassination) was that "the Director of the International Trade Mart is involved in this." At the time I did not know who that would have been, but in retrospect it only could have been Clay Shaw.

Clay Shaw had some very interesting names in his address book. and was involved in an international organization, Permindex. He worked for the CIA, and his death also was mysterious.

Adele

Rivera is certainly provocative.

There's a DPF thread on Permindex here (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?7229-PERMINDEX&highlight=permindex).

Adele Edisen
02-12-2012, 08:31 AM
Peter, Jan, and Everyone,

Thank you all for your informatiion and references. The material on Clay Shaw, Permindex, Centro Mondiale, industrial and oil corporations, banks, Wall Street, CIA and other government agencies, may all be somehow linked to the JFK assassination, along with the others in 1960s and even in 1999 (JFK, Jr.). It's a matter of pulling the tangled web apart and following proper leads.

Adele

Jan Klimkowski
02-12-2012, 02:30 PM
[Although I left that Department in the late 1950s, I did get some information about the people there later. Dr. Irv Marcus had gone in to private practice; Dr. Harold Lief and his wife divorced and, get this- he moved into bachelor quarters with Clay Shaw in the French Quarter!



Lief was part of the MK-ULTRA nexus, having done work with Orne and being yet another US military shrink.

He was also part of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF) coverup of crime. See DPF thread here (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?122-False-Memory-Syndrome-Foundation/page3).

My emphasis in bold in piece below (http://www.scribd.com/doc/77160411/False-Memory-Syndrome-Foundation-MK-ULTRA), which is party written by Alex Constantine:


Freyd, Pamela- Founding executive director Wife of Peter Freyd. Stood by her husband's conclusions that her daughter, Jennifer, was imagining her childhood sexual abuse. Remained head of the FMSF after her husband resigned over the controversy.

Freyd, Peter- Founding executive director Accused of childhood sexual abuse by his daughter Jennifer, who is a professor of psychology at the University of Oregon.

Jennifer:"My family of origin was troubled inmany observable ways... I refer to the things that were never 'forgotten' and 'recovered',but to things that we all knew about... During my childhood, my father sometimesdiscussed his own experiences of being sexually abused as an 11 year-old boy, and called himself a 'kept boy'" Peter Freyd graduated to male prostitution as an adolescent.At the age of 13, Jennifer Freyd composed a poem about her father’s nocturnal visits.Part of it read:"I am caught in a web. A web of deep, deep terror." The diaries of her youth chronicle the reactions and feelings (guilt, shame and terror) of a troubled girl andyoung woman."My parents oscillated between denying these symptoms and feelings…tousing knowledge of these same symptoms and feelings to discredit me... My father told various people that I was brain damaged."

Pamela Freyd turned to her own psychiatrist, Dr Harold Lief, another advisory boardmember of the FMS Foundation, to diagnose Jennifer."He explained to me that he did not believe I was abused," Jennifer recalls. Dr Lief's diagnosis was based on his belief that Peter Freyd's fantasies were strictly "homoerotic". Of course, his daughter furrows a brow at the assumption that homoerotic fantasies or a heterosexual marriage exclude the possibility of child molestation."At times I am flabbergasted that my memory is considered 'false'" , Jennifer says,"and my alcoholic father's memory is considered rational and sane... I was at home a fewhours after my second session with my therapist, a licensed clinical psychologist working within an established group in a large and respected medical clinic. "During that second visit to my therapist's office, I expressed great anxiety about the upcoming holiday visit with my parents. My therapist asked about half way into the session, whether I had ever been sexually abused. I was immediately thrown into a strange state. No one had ever asked me such a question. I responded, 'no, but….' I went home and within a few hours I was shaking uncontrollably, overwhelmed with intense and terrible flashbacks."

Jennifer asks herself why her parents are believed."In the end, is it precisely because I wasabused that I am to be discredited despite my personal and professional success?" Supposedly, in an electronic message from her father, he openly acknowledged that in hisversion of the story "fictional elements were deliberately inserted"."Fictional is rather an astounding choice of words," Jennifer observed at the Ann Arbor Conference.

Thearticle written by her parents contends that Jennifer was denied tenure at another university due to a lack of published research."In fact," Jennifer counters,"I moved tothe University of Oregon in 1987, just four years after receiving my Ph.D. to accept atenured position as associate professor in the psychology department, one of the world’sbest psychology departments…My mother sent the Jane Doe article to my colleaguesduring my promotion year – that is, the year my case for promotion to full professor wasbeing considered. I was absolutely mortified to learn of this violation of my privacy and this violation of the truth." (from Alex Constantine)

Lief, Dr. Harold- Scientific Advisory Board


Lief was the personal psychiatrist to the Freyd family who told Jennifer he didn't believeshe was sexually abused from a young age by her father. Former major in the Armymedical corps. Close colleague of the co-FMSF board member Dr. Martin Orne (theMKULTRA-connected scientist with many connections to different intelligence agenciesand mind control research) and consulted with him on several studies in hypnotic programming and behavioral modification experiments at the University of Pennsylvania. Past president of the Sex Information and Education Council and director of the Centrefor Sexuality and Religion. His academic writing reveals an interesting range of professional interests, including a study entitled 'Orgasm in the PostoperativeTranssexual.'

Dr Colin Ross: "Who is this guy Robert Heath? Well, we are going to see him in a future slide too. My secretary has actually interviewed him, and I might go down and interview him myself at Tulane in New Orleans. He did brain electro implant research for the CIA and he would put brain electrodes in human brains for non-therapeutic purposes, and he would pour in psyllicibin(sp), mescaline, LSD, and other chemicals to see what would go tingle-tingle in the electrodes. And I will tell you more about that. He's funded by the CIA and the military. In one of his papers, he thanks Harold Lief for referring in one of his brain electrode implant research subjects."

In the visible world of "scientific" research, as opposed the Dark Side stuff, Lief was one of the world's leading experts on "Inhibited Sexual Desire", and the cure of "sexual dysfunction".

So, Lief has a world class background in hypnotic programming, sexual desire, behaviour modification and memory modification.

Lief is moving in the circles of Clay Shaw, which presumably means David Ferrie and Lee Harvey Oswald.

That is truly intriguing and provocative.

Adele Edisen
02-13-2012, 03:41 AM
[QUOTE=Jan Klimkowski;50670][QUOTE=Adele Edisen;50542][Although I left that Department in the late 1950s, I did get some information about the people there later. Dr. Irv Marcus had gone in to private practice; Dr. Harold Lief and his wife divorced and, get this- he moved into bachelor quarters with Clay Shaw in the French Quarter!



Lief was part of the MK-ULTRA nexus, having done work with Orne and being yet another US military shrink.

He was also part of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF) coverup of crime. See DPF thread here (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?122-False-Memory-Syndrome-Foundation/page3).

My emphasis in bold in piece below (http://www.scribd.com/doc/77160411/False-Memory-Syndrome-Foundation-MK-ULTRA), which is party written by Alex Constantine:



In the visible world of "scientific" research, as opposed the Dark Side stuff, Lief was at one stage the world's leading experts on "Inhibited Sexual Desire", and the cure of "sexual dysfunction".

So, Lief has a world class background in hypnotic programming, sexual desire, behaviour modification and memory modification.

Lief is moving in the circles of Clay Shaw, which presumably means David Ferrie and Lee Harvey Oswald.

That is truly intriguing and provocative.

Jan,


Dr Colin Ross: "Who is this guy Robert Heath? Well, we are going to see him in a future slide too. My secretary has actually interviewed him, and I might go down and interview him myself at Tulane in New Orleans. He did brain electro implant research for the CIA and he would put brain electrodes in human brains for non-therapeutic purposes, and he would pour in psyllicibin(sp), mescaline, LSD, and other chemicals to see what would go tingle-tingle in the electrodes. And I will tell you more about that. He's funded by the CIA and the military. In one of his papers, he thanks Harold Lief for referring in one of his brain electrode implant research subjects."

This quote brought up a memory concerning Heath's subject with 125 implanted electrodes and of my old friend and colleague, E.Roy John, Ph.D. I learned today of his death. There's more on Google about him and his work.


http://www.ecnsweb.com/roy-john.html

Dr. E. Roy John

World Renowned Neuroscientist
August 14, 1924 - February 28, 2009

Erwin Roy John was born August 14, 1924, in Brownsville, Pennsylvania, and grew up in Long Beach, Long Island. He was the only son of Siegfried John, of Vienna, and Jozsefina Kroh, of Beregsszaz, Hungary, who settled in the U.S. after being interned as enemy aliens when World War One broke out as they were visiting on their honeymoon. After a venture as a pool hall owner, Siegfried John set up an import business that went bust during the Depression. The family used unsold caviar as a topping for the potatoes they bought from the weekly relief check. Roy's experiences in the Depression, including work in an airplane plant where he served as a volunteer union organizer, contributed to a lifelong sympathy with leftist causes.

After a stint at City College of New York, he worked machining plutonium for a program which was later revealed to have been part of the Manhattan Project. Volunteering to serve in the armed forces, he fought in the Battle of the Bulge and the invasion of Germany as a member of the 75th Infantry Division. At war's end, he discovered that 27 members of his mother's family had been killed in Auschwitz; no trace was found of his father's family, whose barge transport business on the Danube had been seized by the Nazis.

Taking advantage of the GI Bill, he gained a degree in Physics and a Ph.D. in Psychology at the University of Chicago, while working as a cab driver and founding a campus group to resist McCarthyism. After working in brain research at the University of California at Los Angeles, he established the Center for Brain Research at the University of Rochester. In 1963, he moved to New York City, directing the brain research laboratory at Flower Fifth Avenue Hospital. During this period he also became intensely involved in the movement against the Vietnam War, and began a series of visits to Cuba, where he is regarded as the "grandfather of Cuban Neuroscience." Files he obtained through the Freedom of Information Act gave credence to charges that he had been blacklisted from a range of professional activities and grants due to his left-of-center views.

In 1974, Dr. John founded the Brain Research Laboratories at the New York University School of Medicine, serving as Director for over three decades as well as Professor of Psychiatry. He was also a Research Scientist at the Nathan S. Kline Institute for Psychiatric Research of New York State. He was a world-renowned pioneer in the field of computerized quantitative neurophysiology (Neurometrics), co-discoverer of P300 cognitive evoked potential, a leader in the understanding of consciousness and mentor to a generation of neuroscientists around the world. His research also involved long-term collaborations with scientific leaders in countries including Cuba, Denmark, France, Germany, Mexico, Switzerland and Turkey.

Dr. John was committed to translating his discoveries in basic neuroscience into clinical practice, leading to improved treatment of neurocognitive and psychiatric disorders. His work led to more than 25 patents in medical technology, implemented through continuous collaborations with industry. His intense concern for patients' suffering from functional brain abnormalities, not evident through conventional neuro-imaging, has led to a family of devices with wide applicability, including the diagnosis and treatment of blast concussion and PTSD. Medical instruments based on neurometric technology can also be found in anesthesiology, psychiatry and neurology, helping to provide treatments for coma, learning disabilities and autism. During coronary bypass surgery at Brigham and Women's Hospital in 1992, his life was saved by the use of one of his brain monitoring instruments, which led the anesthesiologist to modify his procedures so that sufficient brain oxygenation was maintained.

Dr. John published more than 200 articles in peer-reviewed journals, books and book chapters. His 1967 textbook, Mechanism of Memory, is still considered a classic in the field. When it appeared, the predominant, "localizationist" view of brain function held that memories were held in particular neurons or groups of neurons. Dr. John's then-heterodox model uses deviations from a ground state as evidence that distributed networks are fundamental to consciousness, memory and functional brain disorders. A later article, using an animal model, presented overwhelming evidence that memory is distributed throughout the entire brain. In 2006, the cover of the journal Anesthesiology showed a figure from an article that achieved worldwide recognition as the first new model of loss-of-consciousness which had been published by them in the last 40 years.

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Some years after I was out of the Dept. of Psychiatry and Neurology I received a call from my old friend, Roy. He was in town, New Orleans, having been invited by Dr. Heath to visit the department and to give a lecture. Roy called to say "hi" and asked if we could have dinner because he would be staying a couple of days extra to tour the city. At dinner he told me of his visit with Heath and of meeting a patient/subject with 125 electrodes implanted in his brain.

Let me explain that Roy had done fascinating research on animals, using implanted and superficial brain electrodes to measure electrical activity under different situations. What he had found was that before the activation of neurons in the motor cortex, other area of the brain were activated and 'signaled' the initiation of the motor cortex neurons of any special limb before the cortical neurons produced movement in that limb. In other words, the brain was selecting whch motor cells would be activated to produce that movement.

After Roy's lecture about his work, Dr. Heath had asked Roy if he would be interested in interviewing his special patient (I think there was only one person who had 125 electrodes implanted; others had only a few). Initially, Roy was most interested because here was a conscious and communicating human being who could describe what was going on at any particular time in his mind. But when Roy met this man, he told me he was so revolted and with so much pity for this poor creature that he could not bring himself to ask any of the questions he wanted to ask. He just thanked Heath for the opportunity and left.

Needless to say, I was appalled. Roy and I continued our discussion about Heath and I told him what I had learned. It was quite a visit.

Adele

Jan Klimkowski
02-13-2012, 06:09 PM
After Roy's lecture about his work, Dr. Heath had asked Roy if he would be interested in interviewing his special patient (I think there was only one person who had 125 electrodes implanted; others had only a few). Initially, Roy was most interested because here was a conscious and communicating human being who could describe what was going on at any particular time in his mind. But when Roy met this man, he told me he was so revolted and with so much pity for this poor creature that he could not bring himself to ask any of the questions he wanted to ask. He just thanked Heath for the opportunity and left.

Needless to say, I was appalled. Roy and I continued our discussion about Heath and I told him what I had learned. It was quite a visit.

Adele

Adele - many thanks for sharing those memories.

Scientific and medical research cannot be blind to the means used to achieve breakthrough.

Further, the tragedy of science is that many discoveries can be used both for good and evil.

My favourite articulation of this crucial insight, quoted earlier in this thread, is from Thomas Pynchon's masterpiece, Gravity's Rainbow:

a good rocket to take us to the stars, an evil rocket for the World’s suicide, the two perpetually in struggle...

There's a DPF thread on the murder of Frank Olson which you may find worth reading in its entirety here (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?3072-Frank-Olson-Murder).

Having reviewed the evidence and spoken with Frank Olson's son, my working hypothesis is that Frank Olson was murdered because he was aware of terminal human experiments being conducted by British and/or American researchers, and he became unwilling to keep this knowledge secret.

In short, Frank Olson has made a decision based on conscience, and was about to blow the whistle. For this, his life was ended.

Adele Edisen
02-13-2012, 09:22 PM
Scientific and medical research cannot be blind to the means used to achieve breakthrough.
Further, the tragedy of science is that many discoveries can be used both for good and evil.
My favourite articulation of this crucial insight, quoted earlier in this thread, is from Thomas Pynchon's masterpiece, Gravity's Rainbow:
a good rocket to take us to the stars, an evil rocket for the World’s suicide, the two perpetually in struggle...
There's a DPF thread on the murder of Frank Olson which you may find worth reading in its entirety here.
Having reviewed the evidence and spoken with Frank Olson's son, my working hypothesis is that Frank Olson was murdered because he was aware of terminal human experiments being conducted by British and/or American researchers, and he became unwilling to keep this knowledge secret.

Jan,

When I first learned about Frank Olson, many years ago, looking for information on LSD intoxication, I instinctively knew he had been murdered by being thrown out of a closed and shaded hotel window, leaving the window shade flapping in the wind, as seen by witnesses below. I recall that Eric Olson, his son, had had his father's body exhumed, and evidence of a blow to the head was found on the side opposite to the side where the head had hit the ground. I think my memory of this is correct, but please check it out.

Hank Albarelli's book, A TERRIBLE MISTAKE, is about the Frank Olson death. It is possible that Frank Olson was involved in a horrible "experiment" performed by the United States upon innocent citizens of a small town in France, Pont-St.-Esprit. The water supply and the flour for baking bread had been laced with LSD, which is odorless, colorless, tasteless, and impervious to heat (as in baking). All the citizens, young children and the elderly as well, were affected. A few deaths also resulted from this poisoning.

Unwitting prisoners, American military personnel and civilians also were subjects of similar poisonings with LSD and other mind-altering drugs. And Frank Olson had seen enough during his tour of Europe. However, his superiors were reluctant to let him resign his position and return to civilian life because they considered him a security risk who might talk about his knowledge. His wife and family suffered for years before they learned what had happened to him and were given only a modest compensation from the US government for their loss.


In short, Frank Olson has made a decision based on conscience, and was about to blow the whistle. For this, his life was ended.

Can we call our selves "civilized"?

Thank you for the link.

Adele

Jan Klimkowski
02-13-2012, 09:56 PM
Adele - whilst I respect Hank Albarelli's work, I remain unsure about the Pont St Esprit incident.

Gordon Thomas is very well connected, particularly to British intelligence and Mossad, so his material must always be treated with caution.

However, the memorandum below sent by Thomas to Frank Olson's son, Eric, outlines some of the secret terminal research that I believe led to the murder of Frank Olson, invoving links between the British and the American "MK-ULTRA" projects (using the phrase as shorthand for secret mind/behaviour control research in general).


M E M 0 R A N D U M


TO: Eric Olson
FROM: Gordon Thomas (http://www.frankolsonproject.org/Statements/Statement-G.Thomas.html)

c.c.: To Whom Else It Concerns

DATE: 30th November 1998

OVERVIEW
This memo sets out the information provided by both Dr William Sargant, consultant psychiatrist, and William Buckley, former Station Chief of the CIA in Beirut, Lebanon. Both believed your father was murdered by the CIA. To judge my credibility in accepting this claim I begin with:

PERSONAL BACKGROUND:
I am the author of thirty eight books published world wide. Total sales exceed 45 million copies. Five of my books have been made into successful motion pictures, including the Academy Award winning Voyage of the Damned. My other awards include the Critics; and Jurys' prizes at the Monte Carlo Film Festival, an Edgar Allen Poe Award and three citations from the Mark Twain Society for Reporting Excellence.

I have written a number of non-fiction books dealing with the activities of various intelligence agencies. in 1998 1 wrote and presented for Britain's Channel 4, “The Spying Machine”, a major television documentary in which for the first time key members of Mossad appeared, describing their work. My latest book on the Israeli service, “Gideon's Spies,” to be published by St Martin's Press in New York, will be published in 40 countries in April 1999.

In the 1950/60 period that is relevant to the events surrounding your father, I was a senior BBC writer/producer employed by the Science Department. Dr Sargant was engaged by me as a consultant for a number of programmes. A relationship developed between us that became close and remained so until his death in 1988.

The first lesson I learned during what has been a quarter of a century of writing about secret intelligence is that deception and disinformation are its stock-in-trade, along with subversion, corruption, blackmail and sometimes assassination. Agents are trained to lie and to use and abuse friendships. They are the very opposite of the dictum that gentlemen do not read each other's mail.

I first encountered their behaviour while investigating many of the great spy scandals of the Cold War: the betrayal of America’s atomic bomb secrets by Klaus Fuchs and the compromising of Britain's M15 and M16 by Guy Burgess, Donald Maclean, and Kim Philby. Each made treachery and duplicity his byword. I also was one of the first writers to uncover the CIA's obsession with mind control, a preoccupation the Agency was forced to confirm ten years after my book on the subject, Journey into Madness, appeared. Denial is the black art all intelligence services long ago perfected.

Nevertheless, in getting to the truth, I was greatly helped by two professional intelligence officers: Joachim Kraner, my late father-in-law, who ran an M16 network in Dresden in the post-World War II years, and Bill Buckley who was station chief of the CIA in Beirut in the 1980s. Both constantly reminded me that a great deal can be heard from what Bill called “murmurs in the mush;” a deadly skirmish fought in an alley with no name; the collective hold-your breath when an agent or network is blown; a covert operation which could have undone years of overt political bridge-building; a snippet of mundane information that completed a particular intelligence jigsaw. Through them I made contacts in a number of military and civilian intelligence agencies, Germany's BND and France's DGSE; the CIA; Canadian and British services. Later that network extended to include members of Israel's security services including senior members of Mossad.

It is these contacts who have helped to reinforce the belief of both William Sargant and Bill Buckley that your father was murdered. I am assured that because of the highly unusual circumstances of your father's death, the details have remained on file with several of the above-mentioned agencies, specifically the Mossad. The circumstances surrounding the death are taught as a case study at the Mossad Training School outside Tel Aviv. This has been confirmed by two former Mossad agents, Ari Ben-Menashe and Victor Ostrovsky.

Let me now turn to the specific information that both William Sargant and Bill Buckley provided me with on separate occasions over a number of years. At that time they were both alive and spoke on the usual understanding we had: that what they had to say would not be directly sourced to them. Both made a specific request that I should not publish ‘in any form’ what they told me about your father’s death because, as they believed they were among the few who knew the true circumstances, publication of such information could almost certainly be traced back to them. Given the circumstances they outlined, the outcome for either of them could be severe.

So: First to William Sargant,

At the time we spoke of your father, Dr Sargant was Director of Psychological Medicine at St Thomas’ Hospital, London, England. He was also a consultant to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI5/6), largely because of his work in the eliciting of confessions by the Soviets. His conclusions can be found in his textbook “Battle for the Mind”; it remains a standard work on the subject of mind control

Because of my own family connections (detailed above), I was able to gain the trust of Dr Sargent. This developed during the time I used him in various documentary programmes for the BBC. It was during that period (1968169), that I first began to explore with him his own relationship with both M15/6 and the CIA. He told me lie had visited Langley several times and had met with Dr Sydney Gottlieb, Richard Helms and other senior CIA officials. During those visits he had also met with Dr Ewan Cameron and, on one occasion, he had met Dr Lashbrook and your father, Frank Olson.

Subsequently Dr Gottlieb and Frank Olson visited London and, according to Dr Sargent, he accompanied them to Porton Down, Britain's main research centre for biological/chemical research. Dr Sargent's interest in the work going on there was to study the psychological implications of mind-blowing drugs such as LSD.

He told me that he developed a rapport with Frank Olson during a number of subsequent visits Frank Olson made to Britain. Dr Sargant remarked that "he was just like any other CIA spy, using our secret airfields to come and go". Evidence in support of that can be found in Frank Olson's passport.

During this period (1953/5), Dr Sargant had met several more times with Dr Ewan Cameron, both in Washington and in Montreal, Canada. Cameron was engaged in secret experimental work for the CIA (details of that can be found in my book Journey into Madness).

Sargent said he knew that Frank Olson and Cameron knew each other and that Frank Olson also shared his (Sargant's) view that some of the work Dr Gottlieb was funding Cameron to do through the Human Ecology Foundation (a CIAfront Organisation, was bordering on the criminal.

During the research and writing of Journey into Madness, Dr Sargent and I met on many occasions, perhaps as many as 20. During that time he gave me much valuable material relating to the work of Dr Cameron and insights into what he knew of Dr Gottlieb, Richard Helms and, of course, the death of your father.

By then, Dr Sargant was physically not a well man but his memory was still good. He could remember exact details with compelling clarity; for instance we once had a somewhat esoteric; conversation on how Patty Hearst (whom he had seen during her trial as an expert witness) would have survived some of the techniques that the CIA had developed in mind control.

From time to time, he referred to the death of your father and, as I clearly recall, he said his paperwork on the case had been handed over to the competent authorities in the British Secret Intelligence Service.

Time and again Dr Sargant expressed the view that, from all he had learned from the M15 and his own contacts in Washington, there was a strong prima facie case that Frank Olson had been murdered. Sargant believed that Frank Olson could also have been given a cocktail of drugs that included more than LSD. He said he knew that Dr Gottlieb had been researching into slow-acting depressants which, when taken, could drive a person to suicide.

He also believed that, from his own meetings with Frank Olson, there was a very real possibility that your father could become a whistle-blower if he believed that what was happening was wrong.

After my book was published, I continued to meet with Dr Sargent. At that time, I was hoping to see a new edition of the book published (this was not to be) and I wanted to get Dr Sargant's permission to use all he had told me in a new edition. He said I could only publish what he had said after his death. He died in 1988. This Is the account he gave me of your father's death which I now feel free to make public.

in the summer of 1953 Frank Olson travelled to Britain, once again to visit Porton Down. Sargent met with him. Olson said he was going to Europe to meet with a CIA team led by Dr Gottlieb. By then Sargent had learned that Frank Olson was acting deputy head of SO (Special Operations).

Sargent was satisfied that the CIA team were doing similar work that M16 were conducting in Europe - executing without trial known Nazis, especially SS men. (One of the survivors of the British “hit squad” is Peter Mason who lives in Montana: I know nothing about him).

Sargant saw Frank Olson after his brief visit to Norway and West Germany, including Berlin, in the summer of 1953. He said he was concerned about the psychological changes in Frank Olson. In Sargent's view Olson, primarily a researchbased scientist, had witnessed in the field how his arsenal of drugs, etc. worked with lethal effect on human beings (the “expendable” SS men etc.). Sargant believed that for the first time Olson had come face to face with his own reality.

Sargant told me he believed Frank Olson had witnessed murder being committed with the various drugs he had prepared. The shock of what he witnessed, Sargent believed, was all the harder to cope with given that Frank Olson was a patriotic man who believed that the United States would never sanction such acts. Part of that assumption was formed by Sargent because he had come to see Frank Olson as a somewhat naive man: "locked up in his lab mentality" was, I recall, one of the phrases Sargant used.

I remember Sargent telling me that he spoke several times in 1953 with Frank Olson at Sargent's consulting rooms in Harley Street, London. These were not formal patient/doctor consultations but rather Sargent trying to establish what Frank Olson had seen and done in Europe.

Dr Sargent's own conclusion was that Frank Olson had undergone a marked personality change; many of Olson's symptoms — soul searching, seeking reassurance etc. were typical of that, Sargent told me.

He decided that Frank Olson could pose a security risk if he continued to speak and behave as he did. He recommended to his own superiors at the SIS that Frank Olson should no longer have access to Porton Down or to any ongoing British research at the various secret establishments Olson had been allowed prior free access to.

Sargent told me his recommendation was acted upon by his superiors. He was also certain that his superiors, by the nature of the close ties with the CIA, would have informed Richard Helms and Dr Gottlieb of the circumstances why Frank Olson would no longer be given access to British research. Effectively a substantial part of Frank Olson's importance to the CIA had been cut off.

When Dr Sargant learned of Frank Olson's death — I recall him telling me it came in a priority message from the British Embassy in Washington Sargant came to the immediate conclusion that Olson could only have been murdered. I recall him telling me that in many ways the staged death was almost classic.

BILL BUCKLEY, Station Chief of the CIA in Beirut (1983).

Again through my family connection and the contacts I had established independently with various Intelligence services, I came to know Bill Buckley. (see pp Chap 4, “Journey into Madness”). At various stages in our friendship the question of Frank Olson's death came up.

I told Bill what Dr Sargant believed. Bill said that Sargant was right but that he was sure that Richard Helms and Sydney Gottlieb would have ensured that nothing would ever be proven. Buckley described both men as expert in hiding or destroying evidence.

I hope this helps to set the record straight.
Gordon Thomas



Then, there's the coverup by the Creatures known as Cheney and Rumsfeld.


US VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY AND SECRETARY OF DEFENCE DONALD RUMSFELD LINKED TO
"MURDER OF CIA SCIENTIST" (http://www.middleeast.org/premium/read.cgi?category=Magazine&num=978&month=6&year=2004&function=text)by Gordon Thomas*


Secret documents have revealed US Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld are "linked to the murder" of a senior CIA scientist. Frank Olson, who was a key member of the CIA's secret brainwashing
programme MK-ULTRA, was sent plunging from a New York hotel window after he had threatened to reveal the CIA involvement in "terminal experiments" in post-war Germany.

The importance of the documents are not only their historic significance. They could play an important role in the race for the White House this November. Ironically it falls due on the 51st anniversary of Olson's murder.

Frank Olson's son, Eric, a psychologist, believes that fact will not be overlooked by President Bush's opponents as they search for further evidence that Rumsfeld and Cheney have a long history of news management and hiding the truth that could be highly embarrassing to the White House.

The documents reinforce how Rumsfeld and Cheney have honed their skills over the past thirty years to ensure that today they have so far managed to keep the current scandal of US torture in Iraq - and elsewhere - from ensnaring themselves and President Bush.

For almost half a century Eric Olson has insisted his father was murdered "on orders from the highest level".

Frank Olson's work for the CIA had included making biological weapons. He had devised an aerosol disguised as insect spray that contained the lethal pathogen, botulism. It was successfully used to kill a Russian GRU military intelligence officer on a visit to Gdansk, Poland, in 1951.

Another creation had been toothpaste containing salmonella, an incapacitating bacterium. The CIA arranged for it to be distributed in 1952 to Bulgarian troops in Sofia.

Yet another weapon was inserted into Polish produced jam, the shigella bacterium, which produced incapacitating diarrhoea. For a time it produced a major outbreak among Polish and other Warsaw Pact frontline troops in 1952.
All these, and more, Frank Olson had produced in his laboratory at Fort Detrick, near Washington DC. It was America's chemical-biological warfare complex. Since 1943, Olson had worked there.

To ensure his weapons worked, they were tried out on what the CIA classified as "expendables": suspected double agents, captured spies and others held in detention camps in the American Zone in southern Germany.

This was the 1950s when the Cold War was at its height. But Olson had never witnessed the result of his work. Then in the summer of 1953, he visited a CIA "safe house" near Stuttgart. He saw men dying, often in agony, from the weapons he had made. He was shocked, and protested. By the time he had returned to Fort Detrick in November of that year, his fate had been sealed. CIA director Allan Welsh Dulles decided that Olson was a dangerous whistleblower.

Eric Olson had always maintained "my father was murdered on the highest authority". He has fought a long battle to prove his point. But at every step he was blocked by two of the most powerful men in Washington - Cheney and Rumsfeld.

But the documents which have surfaced in Washington all too clearly pinpoint the role the two men played in covering-up the murder of Frank Olson.
In a "Flash Secret" memo from Cheney to Rumsfeld, the future Vice President warns if the truth emerged "it might be necessary to disclose highly classified national security information".

Another memorandum to the President (Gerald Ford) reveals that Eric Olson and his family "have indicated their shock and outrage at the circumstances surrounding Dr Olson's death". The memo suggests "the President expresses his own outrage" over the death.

Cheney warns in a further memo that Olson's job "is so sensitive that it is highly unlikely we would submit relevant evidence on the issue of his duties".

The 23 pages of documents paint a clear picture of the determination of Cheney and Rumsfeld to keep secret Olson's work and to ensure, as a matter of public policy, it must remain secret that "a drug criminally given him (Olson) cannot as a matter of law be determined he died in the course of his official duties".

"The documents remind us why blind trust in any government official or agency is a bad idea. The cover-up of torture in Iraq today has its roots in a different time - but it's the same culture of cover-up. That cover-up ultimately led to the murder of my father", said Eric Olson.

"After witnessing experiments on prisoners held in secret CIA "safe houses" in Germany, my father was so shocked he was seen as a whistleblower by his superiors. They arranged for him to receive a mind-blowing cocktail of LSD and other drugs. Then a CIA field operative pushed my father out of a hotel window in New York. The CIA said my father had committed suicide due to 'personal reasons'. Both Cheney and Rumsfeld continued to conceal the truth - even after 2003, when President Bush renounced the use of torture and abuse by the CIA", continued Eric.

A California history professor, Kathryn Olmstead discovered the documents in the Gerald Ford library.

Cheney and Rumsfeld were given the task of covering up the details of Frank Olson's death. At the time, Rumsfeld was White House Chief of Staff to President Gerald Ford. Dick Cheney was a senior White House assistant to the President.

Frank Olson's family received US $750,000 to settle their claims against the US government in 1976. But the cover-up continued.

Both the offices of Rumsfeld and Cheney have declined comment on their role in covering-up the murder of Frank Olson.

But from his home outside Washington, Eric Olson said the documents involving Rumsfeld and Cheney show they "have questions to answer".


* Gordon Thomas is a senior Irish journalist well-known for his long connections to intelligence source and information. Among his many books are:
* Gideon's Spies_The Secret History of Mossad
* Robert Maxwell - Israel's Superspy
* Seeds of Fire - China and the Story Behind the Attack on America

Ed Jewett
02-13-2012, 10:44 PM
Adele - whilst I respect Hank Albarelli's work, I remain unsure about the Pont St Esprit incident.

Gordon Thomas is very well connected, particularly to British intelligence and Mossad, so his material must always be treated with caution.

Without delving into the detail in Albarelli's work or "Dr. Mary's Monkey", and avoiding any inference that the selection of the quote from Klimkowski is an attempt to focus on him or isolate him or his comments, I think it valid to ask the question (which will require a great deal of time, research and at least one new thread to postulate, populate and pull apart) how, when and to what ends has there been cooperation, overlap, cross-purposes, functional disinformational intent, maskirovka, and simple (let alone complex) deception amidst the interplay between British, American and Israeli intelligence agencies. One can always blame the other; increasingly, it appears they play off one another for mutual puposes. Indeed, there is at least theoretical suggestion that indeed they answer, in the end, to the same chieftain. [Lesser agencies or those from other nations (e.g., Turkey) can also be implicated.]

I appreciate that is a very tall order, one virtually impossible to appreciate in depth without being immersed in it (and thus having become part of it). But if we are going to speculate about deep covert events from decades ago...

Jan Klimkowski
02-13-2012, 10:51 PM
Adele - whilst I respect Hank Albarelli's work, I remain unsure about the Pont St Esprit incident.

Gordon Thomas is very well connected, particularly to British intelligence and Mossad, so his material must always be treated with caution.

Without delving into the detail in Albarelli's work or "Dr. Mary's Monkey", and avoiding any inference that the selection of the quote from Klimkowski is an attempt to focus on him or isolate him or his comments, I think it valid to ask the question (which will require a great deal of time, research and at least one new thread to postulate, populate and pull apart) how, when and to what ends has there been cooperation, overlap, cross-purposes, functional disinformational intent, maskirovka, and simple (let alone complex) deception amidst the interplay between British, American and Israeli intelligence agencies. One can always blame the other; increasingly, it appears they play off one another for mutual puposes. Indeed, there is at least theoretical suggestion that indeed they answer, in the end, to the same chieftain. [Lesser agencies or those from other nations (e.g., Turkey) can also be implicated.]

I appreciate that is a very tall order, one virtually impossible to appreciate in depth without being immersed in it (and thus having become part of it). But if we are going to speculate about deep covert events from decades ago...

Ed - feel free to start a new thread.

However, the interplay and ultimate interconnectedness of entities and organs is largely a given for the founders of the Deep Politics Forum.

Indeed, it's evident in the first quote in my signature.

Equally, there are false trails, red herrings, and the deliberate creation of confusion and faux certainty.

Adele Edisen
02-14-2012, 03:28 AM
Jan,

You said:


Adele - whilst I respect Hank Albarelli's work, I remain unsure about the Pont St Esprit incident.

This comment triggered something in my memory. Because of my 1963 experiences, I had begun searching for everything and anything about LSD. While going through old magazines
about to be thrown out, I came across THE BULLETIN OF THE ATOMIC SCIENTISTS to which my husband and I had subscribed. I read the Table of Contents in each issue to see if there was anything that I might want to save. In one of the 1962 issues was an article about LSD and how it could be used in wartime as a "humane" weapon to completely incapacitate a city or town without killing anyone or destroying useful property. I saved that issue for the longest time, but after some household moves, I no longer have it. However, I did a Google search just now and found a reference to it. The article is titled "Psycho-Chemicals as Weapons" by Dr. E.James Lieberman in the January 1962 issue of THE BULLETIN OF THE ATOMIC SCIENTISTS. The referring article is about Michael Hollingshead (British), an early experimenter and distributor of LSD to prominent musicians and others. He developed the spider web-spinning test as a bioassay of LSD, which at the time, was used as the only way to detect the presence of LSD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hollingshead

The Pont-St.-Esprit "experiment" had been done some 11 years earlier, in 1951, while Frank Olson was employed by the military and the CIA. The CIA had purchased the bulk of the Sandoz supply, and had enough for the aerosol and other means of distribution for that little town in Provence.

The article in THE BULLETIN OF THE ATOMIC SCIENTISTS mentioned, as I recall, that members oif Congress knew of the military's plans, and probably also knew that a test experiment had been done by the U.S. All this was Top Secret stuff. And our allies, the Brits, also knew and may have helped in that "experiment". In 1951 both countries were getting ready to have a war with the Soviet Union and its allies in Eastern Europe.

The atomic clock on the cover of each issue of THE BULLETIN has a minute hand at various times before the 12 o'clock doomsday time. The closest the minute hand of that clock has been, by the way, was during the 1950s. Now, it is again drawing closer, but not quite as close as it was then. See chart of Doomsday Clock fluctuations over the years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock

Adele

Adele Edisen
02-14-2012, 04:38 AM
The death of Frank Olson is only one example of a "CIA Suicide." The method used is described in a CIA Manual which has been published online years ago. If I can find it, I will provide a link to it.

Another very similar death is that of Grant Stockdale in 1963 in Miami, Florida, also ruled a "suicide." One of Stockdale's daughters is trying to have that decision changed to "murder" on the death certificate, and I understand it is being worked on as a "cold case" by the Miami Police Department.

Grant Stockdale was a very close friend of John Kennedy and his family. President Kennedy had named him an interim ambassador to Ireland, and the STockdale family spent 18 months in Ireland. Grant Stockdale did many personal favors for John Kennedy. One such favor was to visit Homestead Air Force Base near Miami to see what was going on there. Stockdale and his son, Grant, Jr., saw soldiers loading bombs on planes, apparently in preparation to bomb and invade Cuba, which was totally against the directives and wishes of John Kennedy.

Another favor was to try to prevent bloodshed at the University of Mississippi in 1963 when rioting occurred in response to the admission of an African-Americasn student to the university. Stockdale, born and raised in Mississippi, knew Ross Barnett, the segregationist governor of the state, and pleaded with him to try to quell the violence by using his National Guard. Barnett refused and Kennedy had to federalize the troops in an effort to restore order.

Stockdale may have learned about the impennding assassination plans somehow. Jose A. Rivera, former US Army Colonel and civilian employee of the National Institute of Neurological Diseases and Blindness, told me in April of 1963 that after "it" happened, the President's best friend would commit suicide by jumping out of a high window because of his grief. Grant Stockdale was thrown out of his office window in the Dupont Building in Miami on December 2, 1963.

Adele

Adele Edisen
02-14-2012, 05:12 AM
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3233614/CIAA-Study-of-Assassination

At bottom of screen, click on down arrow and pages will appear on screen.

Adele

Peter Lemkin
02-14-2012, 06:08 AM
VERY interesting thread here!.....also, very important!

Jan Klimkowski
02-14-2012, 06:31 PM
Jan,

You said:


Adele - whilst I respect Hank Albarelli's work, I remain unsure about the Pont St Esprit incident.

This comment triggered something in my memory. Because of my 1963 experiences, I had begun searching for everything and anything about LSD. While going through old magazines
about to be thrown out, I came across THE BULLETIN OF THE ATOMIC SCIENTISTS to which my husband and I had subscribed. I read the Table of Contents in each issue to see if there was anything that I might want to save. In one of the 1962 issues was an article about LSD and how it could be used in wartime as a "humane" weapon to completely incapacitate a city or town without killing anyone or destroying useful property. I saved that issue for the longest time, but after some household moves, I no longer have it. However, I did a Google search just now and found a reference to it. The article is titled "Psycho-Chemicals as Weapons" by Dr. E.James Lieberman in the January 1962 issue of THE BULLETIN OF THE ATOMIC SCIENTISTS. The referring article is about Michael Hollingshead (British), an early experimenter and distributor of LSD to prominent musicians and others. He developed the spider web-spinning test as a bioassay of LSD, which at the time, was used as the only way to detect the presence of LSD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hollingshead

The Pont-St.-Esprit "experiment" had been done some 11 years earlier, in 1951, while Frank Olson was employed by the military and the CIA. The CIA had purchased the bulk of the Sandoz supply, and had enough for the aerosol and other means of distribution for that little town in Provence.

The article in THE BULLETIN OF THE ATOMIC SCIENTISTS mentioned, as I recall, that members oif Congress knew of the military's plans, and probably also knew that a test experiment had been done by the U.S. All this was Top Secret stuff. And our allies, the Brits, also knew and may have helped in that "experiment". In 1951 both countries were getting ready to have a war with the Soviet Union and its allies in Eastern Europe.

The atomic clock on the cover of each issue of THE BULLETIN has a minute hand at various times before the 12 o'clock doomsday time. The closest the minute hand of that clock has been, by the way, was during the 1950s. Now, it is again drawing closer, but not quite as close as it was then. See chart of Doomsday Clock fluctuations over the years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock

Adele

Adele - that Bulletin of Atomic Scientists material is a great find. Thank you.

Let me be more explicit about the Pont St Esprit incident. I absolutely believe it could have happened as Hank Albarelli describes, but my reservations are at two levels:

i) technical details such as mode of delivery;

ii) purpose of such human experimentation.

For i) see here, my emphasis in bold


On 23 August 2010, UK's BBC Radio 4 broadcast an investigation by journalist Mike Thompson in which residents of the town, Albarelli, and multiple academics, were all interviewed. Thompson's piece covered the victims' experiences, their treatment at the time, the similarities and differences between ergot and LSD, the feasibility of overseas CIA trials, documentary evidence that 'field trials' had been recommended and that Pont Saint Esprit operative Frank Olson had been mentioned in White House documents with instructions to "bury" the information. After becoming aware of Albarelli's investigation, an 87 year old resident volunteered information that she and a local doctor believed that ergot could not have been the cause. Their view was based upon the doctor's fingertip-only contact with the contaminant, which allegedly resulted in three days' difficulty in speaking. Since LSD is destroyed at baking temperatures, Albarelli posited that the LSD may have been added to the bread after baking

As well as means of delivery of the LSD, there is also the question of dose control. How was the individual dose level controlled? The presumed answer is that there was no attempt to control dosage.

For ii), the issue is as follows. Much of the military (eg soldiers) and covert (eg prisoners and children) testing of LSD was on individuals in controlled conditions where their reaction could be closely studied. Ie this was experimentation to determine the psychological and physiological effects of LSD on an individual who was relatively closely monitored.

Unleashing LSD on a village or a subway provides no such opportunity for close monitoring of individual psychological and physiological effects. So, what would be the purpose of a "field trial" on a large human community?

The most plausible answer is to test the impact of LSD as a mass incapacitant. Or, in the framework of the article you cite above:


In one of the 1962 issues was an article about LSD and how it could be used in wartime as a "humane" weapon to completely incapacitate a city or town without killing anyone or destroying useful property.

The use of hallucinogens in subways is another potential example of such a field trial to test the impact of such drugs as a mass incapacitant.

We know that BZ, another hallucinogen, was used in this fashion during the Vietnam War (US military papers) and in the Balkans conflict of the 1990s (NATO papers).

See also my post #27 here (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?698-Naval-Intelligence-MKUltra-and-the-Hippie-Movement/page3).

One further reservation about Pont St Esprit. Typically this type of experimentation would be carried out on "Third World" populations, in Central America, Africa, South-East Asia. Why would American or British intelligence take the risk of conducting such an experiment in the sovereign territory of France, a major European ally?

I would anticipate the President of France being advised that such an experiment by a foreign power amounted to a declaration of war.

I've articulated my reservations for what they're worth. None of them rule out the possibility that Pont St Esprit happened largely as Hank Albarelli describes.

Peter Lemkin
02-14-2012, 06:47 PM
My thinking is that 'they' thought they could hide it as a case of ergotism [which has similar, although milder, symptoms by and large]. I think there was an advantage to doing it in a developed country over and undeveloped one in that there would be doctors, psychiatrists, and other professionals [naive or planted / in-on-it] and infrastructure around with which to report on the effects. Also, better support for those affected adversely. Rye and other grains subject to the growth of ergot are not used as much in most developing nations, but are in Europe in breads, etc.

Jan Klimkowski
02-14-2012, 06:59 PM
My thinking is that 'they' thought they could hide it as a case of ergotism [which has similar, although milder, symptoms by and large]. I think there was an advantage to doing it in a developed country over and undeveloped one in that there would be doctors, psychiatrists, and other professionals [naive or planted / in-on-it] around to report on the effects. Also, better support for those affected adversely. Rye and other grains subject to the growth of ergot are not used as much in most developing nations, but ae in Europe in breads, etc.

Peter - I'm sure you've seen reports of covert testing of new drugs in Yankee colonies such as Panama, Costa Rica and Haiti.

See eg my post #6 here (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?1359-Bird-Flu-as-a-Weapon-A-Bit-of-History-of-Biological-Weapons&).

It would be possible to flood a particular area of, say, Panama with security cleared doctors to run a mass incapicitant experiment on a community. The presence of foreign doctors with clipboards would not be reported.

The presence of a large number of foreign doctors in a small French village such as Pont St Esprit would surely attract attention. Sandoz doctors may have been used as cover, but to do any kind of "meaningful" science, British and American "MK-ULTRA" doctors would need to be in the vicinity in the immediate aftermath.

Also, why not do it in Germany? In 1954, there would have been very little risk of a public outcry - even if the "experiment" was discovered.

Keith Millea
02-14-2012, 08:34 PM
After becoming aware of Albarelli's investigation, an 87 year old resident volunteered information that she and a local doctor believed that ergot could not have been the cause. Their view was based upon the doctor's fingertip-only contact with the contaminant, which allegedly resulted in three days' difficulty in speaking.

My bolding in the quote above:

This does not sound at all like an LSD experience.I must be missing something.........

Jan Klimkowski
02-14-2012, 09:27 PM
After becoming aware of Albarelli's investigation, an 87 year old resident volunteered information that she and a local doctor believed that ergot could not have been the cause. Their view was based upon the doctor's fingertip-only contact with the contaminant, which allegedly resulted in three days' difficulty in speaking.

My bolding in the quote above:

This does not sound at all like an LSD experience.I must be missing something.........

Keith - agreed.

In addition, LSD is an incredibly potent drug at very low levels of dosage.

Below is some street experience as to the effects of dosage, taken from shroomery.org (http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7497083):



20 mics- threshold, and some people see visuals, some dont. I personally do very easily.

30 mics- threshold, same

40 mics- obviously tripping a little bit but again, some people wouldnt see visuals.

60 mics- = The typical low quality blotter. Tripping, but in my opinion nothing like even one gram of shrooms. It makes for a good time though. Lasts longer than a gram of shrooms.

90 mics- This is where it starts getting weird, because it is most certainly more intense for some people than a gram of mushrooms.

110 mics- like a gram and a half of mushrooms. A hit of some really good lsd.

150 mics-For alot of people this is quite amazing and intense. Obvious and interesting for anyone who is not a vegetable.
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(incraments I mention will stay the same but the effects of upping it 50 mics becomes more intense than above the line.

200 mics- equal to about an 8th of mushrooms, (or more for some people).

250 mics- scares the living daylights out of some people, yet some people handle it really well, much like an 8th of mushrooms. This is the dose at which I have witnessed someone become very confused. He could "see" but he didnt know where he was(in his best friends driveway). When the comedown started, he was fine, and he became a rockstar. It was one of the best experiences of his life. (thats what I get for tripping with people around for the first time in a long while) Me and one friend had to talk this guy down for about a half hour.

300 mics- your getting into heavy territory. Still not considered by most to be a heavy dose, but thats only because they know where most people including themselves draw the line if they are experienced. Its alot like 250 mics though.

400 mics- most people would never take this much unless they knew the acid they have in their possesion and really wanted to get pretty far out there.
This is why you dont see 200+ mic hits around.

500 mics- pretty much where even some of the most experienced people draw the line. Your vision is almost completely enveloped by fractal patterns, and if you were to stare at some pavement or something, it looks like you can see to the end of eternity. Miles and miles of visual depth.

700 mics- most people who talk of taking a ten strip usually dont have very potent acid(though it is good), so 550 to 700 is where they end up. This is also where "more acid" becomes less important because the effects are very similar to an even higher dose.

1000 mics- Most people will never go there. If you had a "two hits and you are floored" type of lsd, or 100 mics and up hits, this is where a ten strip would put you. You basically cant see anything but visuals, your mind as a whole is infinately connected with its self and your external environment. Amazing things happen on this dose no matter what. It would scare most people shitless. Some people will think they are dieing. Many would end up dialing 911 if they were alone and could read the numbers on the phone.

1500 mics- is almost exactly like 1700 mics. 1700 mics being the most I have ever done. Very few people have used this much lsd.
It is VERY psychologically dangerous for some people to do this. You can no longer really see your own hand in front of your face. Your cognition and vision are both bathed in the same light. Some people forget to breath frequently, and id imagine alot of people would pass out. You will loose your ego, but you will meet many organizers of human cognition in this egoless place. They are much smarter than human beings. "they" *are self conscious neurology.
They are the mathematicians behind consciousness and even the visuals themselves.
A dose 700 mics and above will show anyone some very profound things. Doses like 500 mics and above have changed many lives in both positive and negative ways. Still, it is no more threatening than mushrooms. So dont get me wrong.

Will I ever take 1000+ mics again? Hell no....But I wouldnt give up those ridiculously heavy experiences for anything.

Keith Millea
02-14-2012, 11:04 PM
Jan
Okay,so I think you are saying that these people probably took a massive dose.That short description about having trouble speaking for three days,reminds me more of what I read about BZ.

Here's another description chart from shroomery.org (http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7497083):


"This really makes me rethink previous doses. I used to assume a decent one hit of liquid was between 75 and 100 mics.

My experiences have been:

1.One hit of weak liquid: no visuals, some dreaminess, flashy stuff, mild spacial exansion. I had estimated 50-75 mics.

2.One strong hit of liquid: lots of get-up-and-go, mild to medium visuals, unconscious process, archetypes, tracers, really flashy, episodic time, obvious spacial expansion. Estimated 100 mics.

3.Two hits of weak(er) liquid: very visual, but more like one hit compounded further. Like being in a painting and floating above or out of my body. Estimated 150-200 mics.

4.One hit of strong white fluff: Between one strong and two weak hits of liquid. I thought this was 125 mics.

5. 2 hits of white fluff (mini-blotter paper): Extremely intense, really loud, came on in less than 30 min, lasted for almost 15 hours with effects going on for over 24 hours. Massive episodes of time dilation, complete boundary dissolusion, "x-ray" type vision where you see people's bones and skull, fish eye warping, everything melting and morphing to the degree that there is no reference point, thus nothing is a visual because it is total. Everything is in motion. Heavy emotional intensity, repressed emotions, human and prehuman genetic archetypes/symbols, extreme spacial expansion/boundlessness, mushroom like empathy with plants and animals but the scope is far greater. People's features seem caricatured.
Believed this to be 250-300.

6. 1/3 hit of extremely strong fluff (different batch): lasted 7-8 hours, strong stimulant, mild to medium visuals, lots of after-images, medium boundary dissolving. 100-125.

I'm pretty confident that was all real acid because of certain qualities such as spatial depth, flashy motion, boundary dissolving and color spectrum that seem very characteristic of LSD and not other psychedelics.

I wonder if I estimated on the high side. I actually (at the time) could not fathom anything stronger than that two hit. It seemed liked I had transcended biological life, lived an entire lifetime in the trip, and could see a total reality of everything being energy and a dream. I felt I was so far out that there were no objects or reference points. From that perspective it seemed there wasn't any farther to go because I was already in nothingness."

My bolding above:

That's an estimated 250-300 mics.No larger doses needed unless you want to "tempt the hands of fate".:loco:

Jan Klimkowski
02-14-2012, 11:21 PM
Jan
Okay,so I think you are saying that these people probably took a massive dose.That short description about having trouble speaking for three days,reminds me more of what I read about BZ.



Keith - what's clear is that the impact of LSD is reliant on many factors, including the dreaded set and setting. However if "MK-ULTRA" goons somehow placed LSD into the environment of a village, such as Pont St Esprit, they would have zero ability to control the dose absorbed by individual villagers.

Now I know that Jolly West allegedly killed an elephant by giving it a lethal dose of LSD, but there are doubts about that story, especiallly since the MK-ULTRA Godfather also administered another classic MK-ULTRA drug, namely Thorazine. See eg here (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_history4.shtml).

The dosage issue is not particularly whether there's a lethal human dose level of LSD, as this is unclear. It's more that some villagers may get no LSD dose at all, whilst others could absorb literally massive amounts if, as per Albarelli's hypothesis, it was distributed via already baked bread.

Some villagers would be tripping off their heads, whilst others would be going about their normal daily lives.

Keith Millea
02-15-2012, 12:16 AM
what's clear is that the impact of LSD is reliant on many factors

Yes,says it all.

And I understand your point Jan.If dosing the village was a real scientific experiment,it could never prove anything to be scientific.Maybe someone was just being "A Merry Prankster!"
:rolleyes:

Ed Jewett
02-15-2012, 03:49 AM
[QUOTE=Adele Edisen;50750]
.... Unleashing LSD on a village or a subway provides no such opportunity for close monitoring of individual psychological and physiological effects. So, what would be the purpose of a "field trial" on a large human community?

The most plausible answer is to test the impact of LSD as a mass incapacitant.


snip


One further reservation about Pont St Esprit. Typically this type of experimentation would be carried out on "Third World" populations, in Central America, Africa, South-East Asia. Why would American or British intelligence take the risk of conducting such an experiment in the sovereign territory of France, a major European ally?


snip

I absolutely believe it could have happened as Hank Albarelli describes, but my reservations are at two levels:

i) technical details such as mode of delivery;

ii) purpose of such human experimentation.



I have selected three comments for purposes of discussion and articulation. I'm not an expert on the topic, the chemical (honest, I never inhaled it), or the incident (alleged), nor Albarelli.

But let me suggest three points:

1) How can anyone be sure there were no previously-placed-and-safely-secured observers? Can we be sure that there wasn't someone put safely and unobtrusively in place to monitor? It is not irrational to think that locals could have been recruited as monitors. See 2C) and 2D) .

2) It seems perfectly reasonable to attempt this "trial delivery" inside France, for several reasons:

A) Locals and/or Allied operatives might have a better chance of squelching any news coverage. I refer you to the book (specifically Essay Six) "A Certain Arrogance" and its notations about the extent and depth of psy-op control of the European press.
B) Locals spoke, at least historically, languages that were not easily or at least widely mastered:
"... Occitan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitan_language) was the language spoken in Languedoc, and Catalan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language) was the language spoken in Roussillon...".
C) The site is not terribly far from the Pyrenees whose Basque peoples and operatives sustained "The Freedom Line" (see the book by that name by Peter Eisner), where certainly Wild Bill Donovan and the OSS were involved.
D) It is also not terribly far from Marseille, home port of a criminal league allied with the Allies, the OSS and the CIA.

If the intent of the use of this psychoactive were to make dysfunctional any local military or gendarmerie or even great masses of the populace, certainly a small handful of observers adept at moving in secrecy in darkened places could observe what needed to be observed. Discreet surveillance is the modus operandi noted repeatedly by Albarelli in his book in terms of the early history of the CIA nee OSS in its clandestine monitoring of post-psychoactive-dosing psychosocial experience in bordellos pre-wired with microphones and cameras and attended/frequented by known agents.

3) Finally, the question is asked as to what the purpose of such human experimentation might have been. I think it erroneous in general, and perhaps in this case, and certainly in reference to the Albarelli book (which I own and have read) to suggest that there need be a purpose of any reasonable merit. The repeated themes in Albarelli's tale were, as also suggested in "Fleshing Out Skull and Bones" (that society that gave us so many key and leading intelligence agency operatives) that the CIA's efforts were driven in great part by a bunch of elite, spoiled/protected "fraternity boys" engaging in whatever pranks they could invent. Indeed, the frontispiece to the book (after the publisher's foreword) is the following quote from a key player in the tale of the book, George Hunter White, who appears frequently (the index cites 71 mentions, including seven multi-page sections):

[I]"Where else could a red-blooded American boy lie, kill, cheat, steal, rape, and pillage with the sanction and blessing of the All-Highest?"

My own hand-scrawled notation underneath that quote, which names my own personal example from my days (blessedly short-lived) in an elite American prep school, says "giving license to puerile, sophomoric behavior reminiscent of unsupervised, rich, privileged prep school kids like ____".

You can't expect these folks to act and make decisions based on the same logic or values used by others.

Adele Edisen
02-15-2012, 05:47 AM
Jan, Peter, Keith, Ed,

I miss a day of reading Forum and this one subject exploded with posts!

The Pont-St.-Esprit "experiment" was never intended to be scientific, but merely to see if crazy people could resist an invasdion of their little town. There may have been 'observers' planted, but most of the results were tabulated from witness reports, weren't they?

Ed, in quoting Albarelli on the types of minds that cooked up these ideas and carried them out, it demonstrates that the CIA and their ilk had no knowledge or understanding of what they were doing. Remember the CIA plan to project a huge holographic image of Jesus Christ on the horizon so the Cubans, most being religious, might think Jesus was coming to earth and to them? Or, filling a radio broadcast studio with LSD aerosol when Fidel Castro would deliver one of his hours-long speeches to the Cuban people, so that he would appear crazy and silly? They did not know or have any idea of how good Castro's intelligence and security people were. How many times did they try to kill Castro and didn't succeed once? JFK should have had that kind of protection.

It's important to know that ergot, produced by a fungus which lives on grain grasses, such as rye, does not contain LSD. LSD-25 was synthesized by Albert Hofmann in 1938 from ergotamine. He was creating compounds for medical use and this was the 25th one he had made. The chemical name of LSD is Lysergic acid diethylamide. Not much was done with it until 1943. LSD can be decomposed by high heat, as in baking bread, but ergot is not. In the Middle Ages, ergot toxicity affected people in towns and villages because the rye or other flour was tainted with ergot. The last such event occurred in Russia in 1926-1927.

I think bread loaves in Pont-St-Esprit may have been deliberately baked with ergot, or sptinkled with LSD to give the impression to the town's people that they had suffered from ergot poisoning and nothing more. The symptoms of ergot poisoning, as Peter noted, generally are less severe than those of LSD.

The human lethal dose has been estimated to be in the range of 200 micrograms per kilogram of body weight to 1 milligram per kilogram of body weight. A milligram is one-thousandth of a gram; a microgram is one-millionth of a gram. A gram is the weight of I milliliter of water (or 1 cubic centimetetr of water, ml. = cc.). A kilogram is 2.2 pounds of weight.

Tusko received 297 milligrams total of LSD, and weighed 3000 kilograms, or 9 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. I believe this animal was to be euthanized because of age and illnesses, but it also received a barbiturate and a tranquilizer, which may have also compromised its breathing mechanism. By estimates of human lethal doses, 9 milligrams per kilogram was an exceptionally high lethal dose.

Thank you for sharing your experiences with LSD. Did you know that in animal studies with radioactive LSD, exceptionally small amounts were found in the brain, mostly in the
occipital cortex which is where visual images are perceived? Greater concentrations of LSD were in the liver, kidneys, and urine, the main excretion route.

Adele

Peter Lemkin
02-15-2012, 06:53 AM
Adele, thanks for that interesting tidbit on where LSD localizes in the body and brain! It is amazing how little it takes 100-200 micrograms to have a very strong and 'unusual' experience.

Jan, you seem to be searching for some reasonable answer to why France, why that small town, etc. There may be no 'reasonable' reason. Or, the 'reason' may only become apparent if we were to interview a participant in the planning or see the secret documents on it. Other operations have been carried out in ostensibly friendly nations. Certainly most of the Gladio operations were - and some were quite deadly. Granted they were of a different character and involved local 'stay-behind' neo-fascist groups, but seem to have been set up and instigated by some larger intel organization. I could imagine, for example, a moment of opportunity presenting itself in a small town in some way. Perhaps a very small outbreak of ergotism, to which the CIA team added their own ingredients to the bread in town - knowing that most of the reaction would be to their ingredients and not the ergot. Or some other logical situation of opportunity that we can't perceive. Or maybe they just randomly picked on a small town - they don't and didn't care about what happened to mere peasants [to them most everyone is a 'peasant'], in their notions of 'for the greater good' of the US and its Empire. The reactions of the townspeople certainly seem, to me, to be way beyond classical ergotism. And if it was put in the bread, then yes they had no way of controlling dosage and some must have had enormously strong trips - a terrifying experience, especially when one is not expecting anything unusual and/or knows nothing of hallucinogens.

Christer Forslund
02-15-2012, 11:08 AM
From CIA: What Really Happened in the quiet French village of Pont-Saint-Esprit by Hank P. Albarelli Jr. (16 March 2010)


Stepping backward for a moment to the time before I discovered the true cause of the southern France outbreak, perhaps the very first solid clue I had that something was amiss about the incident was a CIA confidential informer’s report I had been given in 1999. That report, dated December 1953, concerned a meeting the unidentified informer had with an official with the Sandoz Chemical Company in New York City. The informer wrote that after “having several drinks” the Sandoz official blurted out, “The Pont Saint Esprit ‘secret’ was that it was not the bread at all.” Continued the Sandoz official, “For weeks the French tied up our laboratories with analyses of bread. It was not the grain ergot, it was a diethylamide-like compound.” By this, of course, the official meant a man-made drug had provoked the Pont St. Esprit outbreak.

The CIA informer then asked, according to his report, “If the material wasn’t in the bread then how did it get into the people?”
To this, the official responded, “An experiment.” Now concerned, the informer asked, “An experiment?” To which the Sandoz official coyly responded, “Maybe by the French government,” knowing that most likely the American informer well knew the identities of the actual perpetrators of the experiment. It was all an act of high political drama and subterfuge that concluded with the Sandoz official saying, “One small reason I’m here in the U.S. is to dispose of our LSD. If war breaks out our LSD will disappear.”

Christer Forslund
02-15-2012, 11:21 AM
From CIA: What Really Happened in the quiet French village of Pont-Saint-Esprit by Hank P. Albarelli Jr. (16 March 2010)


When I discussed the FBI memoranda with former Fort Detrick biochemists they confidentially informed me that the New York City experiments “were delayed until after the experiment was conducted in France.” Said one former Special Operations Division scientist, “The overall results of the experiment in southern France were good, but there was also an adverse effect or what would now be called a ‘black swan’ reaction. That several people died was unexpected, completely unexpected. It wasn’t supposed to turn out that way, so it was back to the drawing boards.”


Earlier in the article, I wrote that I found the Pont St. Esprit experiment initially shocking. In many ways, I still do. But perhaps not for all those reasons many readers would imagine. Firstly, I find it shocking when I read Internet reactions to it, as contained in my book, over the past month like, “So what, at least they didn’t do it in a small town in America”, or worse yet, “Why didn’t they pick a town in Mexico; it’s closer by?” I’m saddened to find that some Americans have become both numb and immune to the arrogant and horrible past actions of the CIA.

Magda Hassan
02-15-2012, 11:41 AM
Remember the CIA plan to project a huge holographic image of Jesus Christ on the horizon so the Cubans, most being religious, might think Jesus was coming to earth and to them?
Adele
The most lovely thing happened instead and it had nothing to do with the CIA. When Castro was giving a vistory speech, can't recall where but not Havana, as he was standing in the crowd and rallying everyone a dove flew down and settled on his shoulder as he was speaking. For many of the superstitious Cubans this was seen as an omen that God chose Fidel.

Jan Klimkowski
02-15-2012, 05:56 PM
Jan, you seem to be searching for some reasonable answer to why France, why that small town, etc. There may be no 'reasonable' reason. Or, the 'reason' may only become apparent if we were to interview a participant in the planning or see the secret documents on it.

Yes, there may be no reasonable reason.

However, I have posted numerous articles showing "MK-ULTRA" experiments being conducted according to some version of the Scientific Method in various DPF threads.

Adele, Peter - you both have scientific training.

Please explain where you consider the reservations about Pont St Esprit that I have articulated in this thread to be unscientific.

Jan Klimkowski
02-15-2012, 06:39 PM
From CIA: What Really Happened in the quiet French village of Pont-Saint-Esprit by Hank P. Albarelli Jr. (16 March 2010)


Earlier in the article, I wrote that I found the Pont St. Esprit experiment initially shocking. In many ways, I still do. But perhaps not for all those reasons many readers would imagine. Firstly, I find it shocking when I read Internet reactions to it, as contained in my book, over the past month like, “So what, at least they didn’t do it in a small town in America”, or worse yet, “Why didn’t they pick a town in Mexico; it’s closer by?” I’m saddened to find that some Americans have become both numb and immune to the arrogant and horrible past actions of the CIA.


Christer - I fundamentally disagree with Albarelli.

I consider his supposed rebuttal to be no rebuttal at all.

Adele Edisen
02-16-2012, 06:24 AM
Jan, you said in your post #71:


Let me be more explicit about the Pont St Esprit incident. I absolutely believe it could have happened as Hank Albarelli describes, but my reservations are at two levels:
i) technical details such as mode of delivery;
ii) purpose of such human experimentation.



Adele, Peter - you both have scientific training.
Please explain where you consider the reservations about Pont St Esprit that I have articulated in this thread to be unscientific.

Peter will have to answer for himself, but I don't think I have stated anywhere that I consider your statements or reservations about the Pont-St.-Esprit event, or about Hank Albarelli's works, to be "unscientific." Or, untruthful, if that is what you think I think. So, I really don't understand your question here.

Let me point this out to you, that we all have some reservations about any activity sponsored by any intelligence (CIA or other) or military organization (ours or some foreign nation's) because we do not have a full accounting of that which is SECRET and happened a long time ago. What little we do learn can be shared and understood a bit better, but not totally. We can only discuss from what we know and what we can surmise from that.

On the question of mode of delivery of LSD to that French village, we could consider how LSD could have been delivered by thinking of its characteristic physical and chemical properties. It is odorless, tasteless, colorless, fairly resistant to moderate temperatures (it takes 4 weeks to decompose by 30% at 37 degrees Celsius (human body temperature) and can be kept indefinitely at 25 degrees Celsius - even better at 20 degrees (average room temperature). It easily dissolves in water and other fluids. Non-chlorinated well water, a probable source of drinking water could have been a vehicle for dispersion. Everybody drinks water, even in France.

Fog mists tainted with LSD could have been dispersed at night, and since this occurred in August of 1951, windows would have been open all night for ventilation and cooling during this hot summer month. Residential air conditioning had not yet arrived even in the US in 1951. In New Orleans insecticides were distributed this way at night by trucks to control the mosquito population.

LSD can be absorbed through the skin and the lungs. Certanly by mouth, so water and foods, sprinkled with LSD powder, is a possible route. Perhaps as a cover story the villagers were told that it was the ergotism from infected grain flour used in baking bread, as in the Middle Ages). Or it was a case of mass hysteria? Do we know if the people were told anything? Also, remember that 1951 was only 6 years after WWII ended. Perhaps they were told that the Germans had hidden something, a poison, which caused their illness. Was this village part of Nazi occupied France, or the unoccupied Vichy France?

As for the purpose of the human experimentation, there doesn't seem to be any, other than to see what would happen. Just like the Nazi experiments, such as puttling prisoners in ice cold water to see how long they would survive. Or, our own CIA flying over our cities spraying nonlethal biological organisms to study the distribution patterns. Incidentally, I've read that Dr. Frank Olson had done some some distribution studies within parts of the Pentagon Building by putting in powdered material into air ducts whch circulated air to the offices.
In the Pont-St.-Esprit it had some military purpose for a future war, and to see if it could be done at all.

Deaths from LSD intoxication may not always happen because of ultra-high doses, but from effects on an ill, malnourished, sickly, individual being sensitive to its effects. Or, a person receiving an above threshold dose becoming delusional and flying out of a high window or off a high bridge. This happened years ago to the son of a prominent neurophysiologist. His son, a freshman in college went to a college students' party and drank some punch, which, unbeknownst to the hosts, had been surreptitiously laced with LSD. The young man apparently felt that he could fly and he did fly out of the apartment window to his death.

Jan Klimkowski
02-16-2012, 06:52 PM
Jan, you said in your post #71:


Let me be more explicit about the Pont St Esprit incident. I absolutely believe it could have happened as Hank Albarelli describes, but my reservations are at two levels:
i) technical details such as mode of delivery;
ii) purpose of such human experimentation.



Adele, Peter - you both have scientific training.
Please explain where you consider the reservations about Pont St Esprit that I have articulated in this thread to be unscientific.

Peter will have to answer for himself, but I don't think I have stated anywhere that I consider your statements or reservations about the Pont-St.-Esprit event, or about Hank Albarelli's works, to be "unscientific." Or, untruthful, if that is what you think I think. So, I really don't understand your question here.


Adele - thank you for your thoughtful answer. If you read my post as an attack on yourself and Peter, I can assure you that it was not intended as such.

My critique of Albarelli's hypothesis about the Pont St Esprit incident is based around the Scientific Method, and a consideration of how the Pont St Esprit events fit into the context of illegal human experimentation.

"MK-ULTRA" existed wtihin a framework of science. Its technical leaders were doctors and scientists. Men like Jolly West, Harry Harlow, Robert G Heath, George Estabrooks, Martin Orne and Ewen Cameron were world leaders in their scientific fields.

Cameron was the first chairman of the World Psychiatric Association

West was head of department and director of the Neuropsychiatry Institute at UCLA.

Heath founded the Department of Psychiatry and Neurology at Tulane.

Rhodes Scholar Estabrooks was chairman of the Department of Psychology at Colgate University.

Orne was emeritus professor of psychiatry and psychology at the University of Pennsylvania.

Harlow was head of the Human Resources Research branch of the Department of the Army from 1950–1952, head of the Division of Anthropology and Psychology of the National Research Council from 1952–1955, consultant to the Army Scientific Advisory Panel, and president of the American Psychological Association from 1958-1959.

These men's actions show them to be arrogant, ruthless, and willing to conduct experimentation in the absence of any meaningful informed consent. They all appear to have believed that the End justified the Means, where the Means was illegal human experimentation.

They also published medical and scientific textbooks which which became standard professional texts, taught to generations of students.

Therefore, my approach, when examining any evidence of "MK-ULTRA" activity is to consider it within a framework of the Scientific Method, applied in a world with no ethical constraints.

I have no problem in accepting that, in principle, these "MK-ULTRA" doctors would have sanctioned human experimentation on hundreds or thousands of people. However, I do have a problem in accepting that any of them would have regarded the results of the dispersal of LSD at Pont St Esprit as a means of learning almost anything useful in physiological or psychological terms.






As for the purpose of the human experimentation, there doesn't seem to be any, other than to see what would happen. Just like the Nazi experiments, such as puttling prisoners in ice cold water to see how long they would survive.

The Nazi doctor who led those terminal experiments was Hubertus Strughold.

Strughold was spirited to the USA as part of Paperclip, is known as "The Father of Space Medicine", and was one of the many Nazis embedded in the NASA project.


Strughold first coined the term "space medicine" in 1948 and was the first and only Professor of Space Medicine at the School of Aviation Medicine (SAM) at Randolph Air Force Base, Texas. In 1949 Strughold was made director of the Department of Space Medicine at the SAM (which is now the U.S. Air Force School of Aerospace Medicine (USAFSAM) at Brooks Air Force Base, Texas). He played an important role in developing the pressure suit worn by early American astronauts. He was a co-founder of the Space Medicine Branch of the Aerospace Medical Association in 1950. He was named Chief Scientist, Aerospace Medical Division in 1961. The aeromedical library at Brooks AFB was named after him in 1977

So, here we have a bona fide Nazi doctor, who conducted terminal experiments and continued his Nazi research within the American university and military system.

Strughold was ruthless and unethical. However, this ruthlessness existed within the framework of the Scientific Method, and appears to have delivered genuine scientfic advances.

Meanwhile, like your good self, I believe it's certainly possible that LSD may have been delivered to Pont St Esprit through the atmosphere.

However, there are problems with this as a mode of delivery. Firstly, poison gas attacks are impossible to control. Eg the wind changes, and the poison blows back on your own side. Dosage levels are also entirely unpredictable.

Secondly, there are technical problems related to the development of LSD.

From Eric Olson's site (http://www.frankolsonproject.org/Articles/PsychologyToday.html):

It was

in October 1954, that Eli Lilly & Company had succeeded in synthesizing the drug in its laboratories. This was the breakthrough the agency had been awaiting for three years; now it had access to all the LSD money could buy.

It was judged to be so important that a special memorandum on the subject was rushed to CIA director Dulles on October 26. The CIA clandestine services had immediately concluded that now LSD could be employed not only in testing but also in actual intelligence operations, for reasons given in the memo to Dulles: “Hitherto, LSD could not be considered seriously as a candidate Chemical Warfare agent for overt use. This was due to two factors: a) until recently only volatile liquids could be disseminated in a suitable fashion in bulk. LSD is a solid. LSD can now be produced in quantity and recent technical developments make it possible to disseminate solids in an effective manner.”

At this point, the matter was considered so important that the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence prepared its bulky top-secret study, “Strategic Medical Significance of Lysergic Acid Diethylamidc (LSD-25),” which was circulated to only seven senior officials besides Dulles. The study offered the best rationale to date for tests on humans. The drug had important strategic advantages. It was assumed that Russian scientists were aware of it. National security might be at stake.

As far back as April 1953, for example, a special CIA committee running the secret drug program had requested a “large number of bodies" for testing mind-affecting compounds, expressing the belief that a great many American scientists would be willing and anxious to carry out the experiments. In 1955, the CIA concluded that tests in a controlled environment-at the agency and in hospitals and prisons-were no longer sufficient, and, to make sense, they had to be conducted in "normal social situations.”

All along, Gottlieb had been trying to persuade his CIA superiors that experiments on unwitting subjects were necessary. He explained it thus: “One of the difficulties of determining explicitly the effect of the drug itself is that the subject and the observer are both conscious of the fact that an experiment is being performed. It is hoped in the next year that subjects... who are essentially normal from a psychiatric point of view will be given unwitting doses of the drug.... In this way more valuable experiments will probably be carried out in spite of hospital conditions. Attempts are being made at present to set up projects with collaborating organizations on the effect of LSD-25 on brain metabolism, on the metabolic activities of nerves and on enzyme reactions.”

The CIA had learned a great deal about LSD during its first four years of experiments, but it was also aware of wide gaps in its knowledge. After reading the strategic study, therefore, CIA director Dulles said in a 1955 memo to the secretary of defense that “it would appear to be important that field trials be made to determine the effects on groups of people or on individuals engaged in group activities.” This was the official green light for the CIA's indiscriminate testing of LSD on unsuspecting Americans, and from 1955 onward, there’s evidence that more Such subjects were involved as the CIA kept expanding its quest for a dream drug without interference by agency directors or Presidents.

The Pont St Esprit incident took place in 1951, before LSD had been synthesized. CORRECTION: before a cheap means of synthesizing LSD in bulk form had been discovered.

To sum up, I'm not currently willing to abandon a critical, scientifically driven, analysis of clandestine experimentation. I believe the "MK-ULTRA" doctors acted entirely without moral conscience or ethical constraint. I also believe they acted within some sort of scientific framework. Albeit a bastard one.

So, my own judgement is that the Pont St Esprit incident may have happened as described by Albarelli.

However, I regard Albarelli's work as a fascinating hypothesis not yet proven as fact.

Peter Lemkin
02-16-2012, 07:38 PM
Jan, I too have no critique on how you are trying to critique the French Village incident - and/or logic of it. I'll have more to say on this in the morning...too tired now. But, I wanted to correct you. LSD was first synthesized by Albert Hofmann [U]in 1938 from ergotamine, a chemical derived by Arthur Stoll from ergot, a grain fungus that typically grows on rye. It was later that the drug could be manufactured from its constituent organic groups - rather than a lesser transformation from a similar natural substance. There is a distinction. The end product, however, would be the same. So, timing is not an issue here. It existed and Hoffman made his famous bicycle trip before the War! The Swiss and the Germans tested it during the War.

Jan Klimkowski
02-16-2012, 08:09 PM
Jan, I too have no critique on how you are trying to critique the French Village incident - and/or logic of it. I'll have more to say on this in the morning...too tired now.


Peter - thank you. I look forward to your further comments.


But, I wanted to correct you. LSD was first synthesized by Albert Hofmann [U]in 1938 from ergotamine, a chemical derived by Arthur Stoll from ergot, a grain fungus that typically grows on rye. It was later that the drug could be manufactured from its constituent organic groups - rather than a lesser transformation from a similar natural substance. There is a distinction. The end product, however, would be the same. So, timing is not an issue here. It existed and Hoffman made his famous bicycle trip before the War! The Swiss and the Germans tested it during the War.

I must be tired too, because you are quite correct that LSD was first synthesized in 1938, and we all know the story of Dr Hofmann's famous bike ride.

What happened in 1954 was

that Eli Lilly & Company published the details of a new process they had developed for synthesizing lysergic acid (the parent molecule of the ergot alkaloids) cheaply and in bulk. The immediate effect of this breakthrough was to keep down the price of ergot alkaloids, which tip to then had been distributed only by Sandoz. But there were other unanticipated results as well. Vast quantities of lysergic acid diethylamide, or LSD, could now be produced with reasonable ease in any sophisticated chemistry laboratory

Or, put another way:


In 1953 the CIA provided Eli Lilly with funding to attempt synthesis of LSD for CIA use without the need for the expensive and scarce reagents required by Sandoz. A year later, Lilly chemists succeeded in their quest, and subsequent supplies were from Lilly[1,2].

-----------------

References:
1.CIA documents: Document #24, 16 November, 1953, Subject: ARTICHOKE Conference; Document #268, 23 October, 1953, Subject: Meeting in Director's Office at 1100 hours on 23 October with Mr. Wisner and [deleted]; Document # 316,6 January,1954, Subject: Lysergic Acid Diethylamide (LSD-25); and Document #338, 26 October 1954, Subject: Potential Large Scale Availability of LSD through newly discovered synthesis by [deleted]; interviews with Sandoz and Lilly former executives; and Sidney Gottlieb's testimony before Kennedy subcommittee, 1977, p. 203.
2.Marks, John (1979). The Search for the Manchurian Candidate: CIA and Mind Control. W W Norton & Co Ltd, 264. ISBN 0393307948

So, the technical challenge to the use of LSD on a mass scale in 1951 is that it would have been hugely expensive and time consuming to gather the ingredients necessary to synthesize enough LSD for a mass experiment.

Also, looking at the known literature about early LSD experiments, most of them involve a very small number of individuals in highly controlled settings - eg the interrogation of Dimitrov.

Magda Hassan
02-17-2012, 12:15 AM
If I recall correctly Frank Olsen's area of expertise was in methods of aerial dispersal.

Ed Jewett
02-17-2012, 02:17 AM
As noted, I don't suggest I am an expert on the topics, but the more recent posts beg the question:

Was this incident in France the proof-of-concept or early predecessor for chemtrails?

Peter Lemkin
02-17-2012, 06:38 AM
Here, I think all are in the realm of speculation. I don't believe there is any certain evidence of the precise method of dispersal in the French village. One can eliminate some as not likely dispersing to the entire village, but that still leaves many which could: aerosols, water supply, some food that everyone ate, some item that everyone touched, and other more exotic ones. I'd even guess that if one were to search, one would find other towns that were tested with whatever drug it was. It does have LSD-like symptoms of very large doses, but it may have been LSD, an somewhat similar analog, or a mix of LSD with other chemicals. They often used cocktails of drugs.

As to the idea that 'they' wouldn't think to harm a friendly population in preference to potential harm to an 'unfriendly' nation, remember that a bacterium was released from [I believe it was a light bulb that was thrown down and broken] in the NYC subway system to see how quickly and far it would spread. The CIA officially said that the bacteria was harmless, but I remember reading that many people became ill from it!!! How many and how much and if any died is classified, and was not comprehensively collected independently. However, some patients, families, victims and doctors did note strange cases just after the incident and remembered this when the news of the 'trial' was made public many years later.

Just to mention, there are many positive or potentially positive uses of LSD in psychiatry, addiction, depression, mental or physical pain fighting when nothing else works [cancer, end of life (Aldous Huxley, Tim Leary and many others famously took a 'trip' at the end of their lives)], and others. Currently, a number of organizations—including the Beckley Foundation, MAPS, Heffter Research Institute and the Albert Hofmann Foundation—exist to fund, encourage and coordinate research into the medicinal and spiritual uses of LSD and related psychedelics. Some Universities also have permission to do experiments still. Of course, it is still used recreationally.

Adele Edisen
02-17-2012, 08:21 AM
Jan,

You said
Adele - thank you for your thoughtful answer. If you read my post as an attack on yourself and Peter, I can assure you that it was not intended as such.

Sorry, I misunderstood. It was your word "unscientific" which threw me off, thinking I had criticized you for questioning aspects of the case, which I knew I had not done.


My critique of Albarelli's hypothesis about the Pont St Esprit incident is based around the Scientific Method, and a consideration of how the Pont St Esprit events fit into the context of illegal human experimentation.

"MK-ULTRA" existed wtihin a framework of science. Its technical leaders were doctors and scientists. Men like Jolly West, Harry Harlow, Robert G Heath, George Estabrooks, Martin Orne and Ewen Cameron were world leaders in their scientific fields.

The experiments on humans done by the Nazis, MKULTRA, used tools and technologies developed from scientifkic knowledge, but many of their purposes were not Humanitarian, Moral, or Ethical. The LSD story of effects on a group of unwarned villagers reminds me of our own use of the Atomic Bomb on the cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, without any warning of any kind. It was an Act of War on an enemy.

It may have been possible that some of the French politians and Intelligence/Military people were knowledgeable about this "expeiment".

In the case of Pont-St.-Esprit which occurred in 1951, I can't be sure when, but the CIA purchased pounds of LSD from Sandoz, all they had, and it may have been enough to cover the village and then some. Perhaps someone here could find out the year of purchase. We didn't want the Russians to get it.

I recalled something about Robert Heath, who put deep electrodes ito human brains, particularly schizophrenics. This probably started as an attempt on his part to find the cause of that mental disease. When he was an intern at a hospital and assigned to ambulance duty (in those days there no Emergency Mwedical Technicians at all, so doctors, interns, and residents rode on the ambulances). One night when he was on duty, a call came in about a man who had gone beserk at his home and needed to be hospitalized. It was his own father!

Adele

Peter Lemkin
02-17-2012, 09:44 AM
I see 1953 cited on internet as date CIA purchased 10KG! from Sandoz, but that could well be an untruth to hide the date, or simply mistaken. 10Kg [22 lbs] would provide tens of millions of doses!...many more [10 to the 10th power - 10,000,000,000 = ten billion mild doses]! Where did it all go?! Is it still held by CIA?

Magda Hassan
02-17-2012, 09:54 AM
I see 1953 cited on internet as date CIA purchased 10KG! from Sandoz, but that could well be an untruth to hide the date, or simply mistaken. 10Kg [22 lbs] would provide tens of millions of doses!...many more [10 to the 9th power -1,000,000,000 = one billion mild doses]! Where did it all go?! Is it still held by CIA?

Judging from some of the hair-brained operations and policies which have come out of the CIA and the executive branch I'd say they've put it in the water coolers.

Peter Lemkin
02-17-2012, 10:08 AM
I see 1953 cited on internet as date CIA purchased 10KG! from Sandoz, but that could well be an untruth to hide the date, or simply mistaken. 10Kg [22 lbs] would provide tens of millions of doses!...many more [10 to the 9th power -1,000,000,000 = one billion mild doses]! Where did it all go?! Is it still held by CIA?

Judging from some of the hair-brained operations and policies which have come out of the CIA and the executive branch I'd say they've put it in the water coolers.

I had made a mistake [and corrected it above]...it was 10 x my first calculation - enough for a very strong trip for every human on the Planet at the time. It couldn't have all been used, unless simply destroyed and I doubt that! Of course, perhaps some brave souls could have been given, say, a gram for a very strong trip.....I'm sure they still have not come down from!

Jan Klimkowski
02-17-2012, 12:38 PM
All - thank you for continuing this thread in a constructive and thoughtful fashion.

Here are some criteria that a scientist would presumably consider in designing a a covert, classified Secret, experiment to test the ability of a chemical or biological substance to affect human behaviour:

i) Means of administering the substance effectively to ensure the test subject is genuinely affected (and is not experiencing a placebo effect).

ii) Ability to record the dose of the substance to which the test subject is exposed at various times.

iiii) Ability to monitor and record the reactions of the test subject throughout the time they are exposed to the substance.

iv) Ability to ensure that the experiment remains covert, and that the subjects of these Secret tests are not able to reveal their existence.

Now, known LSD experiments on POWs, prisoners in federal institutions, children in orphanages, soldiers, sailors and airforce personnel, all get a tick in each of the four categories.

Indeed, we can now see once classified films of soldiers struggling over army obstacle courses, and LSD test subjects in clinician's rooms, because the "MK-ULTRA" nexus recorded many of these experiments: firstly, to review and analyse the impact of the drugs at leisure, once the experiment had finished; and secondly, to provide training and informational films once the substances were close to operational field use.

How about Pont St Esprit? I would give a Fail mark in categories i) to iii), as there was zero ability to control and measure dosage, the means of delivery is a matter for speculation but could not have ensured reliable or guaranteed exposure to LSD, and monitoring and recording of the impact on individual test subjects accurately over a period of time would have been very difficult.

With regard to iv), I am yet to be convinced that France, in 1951, was a logical or likely choice. The risks of this grossly unethical secret experiment being exposed were much higher than in a controlled American colony such as Panama or Costa Rica, or a conquered enemy power such as Germany, Austria or Italy.

If the LSD came from Sandoz, technicians from Sandoz were used in the experiment, and it was felt the experiment had to take place close to Swiss labs, then why not use a German or an Italian village?

The French were "our allies".

The following passage is from the 1977 Church Committee (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/e1950/mkultra/AppendixA.htm):



MKULTRA was the principal CIA program involving the research and development of chemical and biological agents. It was "concerned with the research and development of chemical, biological, and radiological materials capable of employment in clandestine operations to control human behavior." [11]

In January 1973, MKULTRA records were destroyed by Technical Services Division personnel acting on the verbal orders of Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, Chief of TSD. Dr. Gottlieb has testified, and former Director Helms has confirmed, that in ordering the records destroyed, Dr. Gottlieb was carrying out the verbal order of then DCI Helms.

MKULTRA began with a proposal from the Assistant Deputy Director for Plans, Richard Helms, to the DCI, outlining a special funding mechanism for highly sensitive CIA research and development projects that studied the use of biological and chemical materials in altering human behavior. The projects involved:

Research to develop a capability in the covert use of biological and chemical materials. This area involves the production of various physiological conditions which could support present or future clandestine operations. Aside from the offensive potential, the development of a comprehensive capability in this field of covert chemical and biological warfare gives us a thorough knowledge of the enemy's theoretical potential, thus enabling us to defend ourselves against a foe who might not be as restrained in the use of these techniques as we are. [12]

MKULTRA was approved by the DCI on April 13, 1953 along the lines proposed by ADDP Helms.

Part of the rationale for the establishment of this special funding mechanism was its extreme sensitivity. The Inspector General's survey of MKULTRA in 1963 noted the following reasons for this sensitivity:

a. Research in the manipulation of human behavior is considered by many authorities in medicine and related fields to be professionally unethical, therefore the reputation of professional participants in the MKULTRA program are on occasion in jeopardy.

b. Some MKULTRA activities raise questions of legality implicit in the, original charter.

c. A final phase of the testing of MKULTRA products places the rights and interests of U.S. citizens in jeopardy.

d. Public disclosure of some aspects of MKULTRA activity could induce serious adverse reaction in U.S. public opinion. as well as stimulate offensive and defensive action in this field on the part of foreign intelligence services. [13]

Over the ten-year life of the program, many "additional avenues to the control of human behavior" were designated as appropriate for investigation under the MKULTRA charter. These include "radiation, electroshock, various fields of psychology, psychiatry, sociology, and anthropology, graphology, harassment substances, and paramilitary devices and materials." [14]

The research and development of materials to be used for altering human behavior consisted of three phases: first, the search for materials suitable for study; second, laboratory testing on voluntary human subjects in various types of institutions; third, the application of MKULTRA materials in normal life settings.

The search for suitable materials was conducted through standing arrangements with specialists in universities, pharmaceutical houses, hospitals, state and federal institutions, and private research organi-zations. The annual grants of funds to these specialists were made under ostensible research foundation auspices, thereby concealing the CIA's interest from the specialist's institution.

The next phase of the MKULTRA program involved physicians, toxicologists, and other specialists in mental, narcotics, and general hospitals, and in prisons. Utilizing the products and findings of the basic research phase, they conducted intensive tests on human subjects.

One of the first studies was conducted by the National Institute of Mental Health. This study was intended to test various drugs, including hallucinogenics, at the NIMH Addiction Research Center in Lexington, Kentucky. The "Lexington Rehabilitation Center," as it was then called, was a prison for drug addicts serving sentences for drug violations.

The test subjects were volunteer prisoners who, after taking a brief physical examination and signing a general consent form, were administered hallucinogenic drugs. As a reward for participation in the program, the addicts were provided with the drug of their addiction.

LSD was one of the materials tested in the MKULTRA program. The final phase of LSD testing involved surreptitious administration to unwitting nonvolunteer subjects in normal life settings by undercover officers of the Bureau of Narcotics acting for the CIA.

The rationale for such testing was "that testing of materials under accepted scientific procedures fails to disclose the full pattern of reactions and attributions that may occur in operational situations." [15]

According to the CIA, the advantage of the relationship with the Bureau was that

test subjects could be sought and cultivated within the setting of narcotics control. Some subjects have been informers or members of suspect criminal elements from whom the [Bureau of Narcotics] has obtained results of operational value through the tests. On the other hand, the effectiveness of the substances on individuals at all social levels, high and low, native American and foreign, is of great significance and testing has been performed on a variety of individuals within these categories. [Emphasis added.] [16]

A special procedure, designated MKDELTA, was established to govern the use of MKULTRA materials abroad. Such materials were used on a number of occasions. Because MKULTRA records were destroyed, it is impossible to reconstruct the operational use of MKULTRA materials by the CIA overseas; it has been determined that the use of these materials abroad began in 1953, and possibly as early as 1950.

Drugs were used primarily as an aid to interrogations, but MKULTRA/MKDELTA materials were also used for harassment, discrediting, or disabling purposes. According to an Inspector General Survey of the Technical Services Division of the CIA in 1957 -- an inspection which did not discover the MKULTRA project involving the surreptitious administration of LSD to unwitting, nonvolunteer subjects -- the CIA had developed six drugs for operational use and they had been used in six different operations on a total of thirty-three subjects. [17] By 1963 the number of operations and subjects had increased substantially.

In the spring of 1963, during a wide-ranging Inspector General survey of the Technical Services Division, a member of the Inspector General's staff, John Vance, learned about MKULTRA and about the project involving the surreptitious administration of LSD to unwitting, nonvoluntary human subjects. As a result of the discovery and the Inspector General's subsequent report, this testing was halted and much tighter administrative controls were imposed on the program. According to the CIA, the project was decreased significantly each budget year until its complete termination in the late 1960s.


5. The Testing of LSD by the Army

There were three major phases in the Army's testing of LSD. In the first, LSD was administered to more than 1,000 American soldiers who volunteered to be subjects in chemical warfare experiments. In the second phase, Material Testing Program EA 1729, 95 volunteers received LSD in clinical experiments designed to evaluate potential intelligence uses of the drug. In the third phase, Projects THIRD CHANCE and DERBY HAT, 16 unwitting nonvolunteer subjects were interrogated after receiving LSD as part of operational field tests.

[10] Senate Select Committee, 9/16/75, Hearings, Vol. 1.

[11] Memorandum from the CIA Inspector General to the Director, 7/26/63.

[12] Memorandum from ADDP Helms to DCI Dulles, 4/3/53, Tab A, pp. 1-2.

[13] I.G. Report on MKULTRA, 1963, pp. 1-2.

[14] Ibid, p. 4.

[15] Ibid, P. 21.

[16] Ibid., pp. 11-12.

17] Ibid, 1957, p. 201.


Now, I'm still perfectly prepared to consider the Pont St Esprit hypothesis, and Albarelli may be correct.

I also believe that the narrative published by the Church Committee was almost certainly a limited hangout by the military-industrial-intelligence complex: ie they put the best spin possible on crimes against humanity.

However, there is always a timescale for developing, testing and learning the positive and negative effects of a new drug. This is simply how it is.

The official narrative strongly suggests that it was difficult for the "MK-ULTRA" nexus, in its early Bluebird/Artichoke incarnation, to get much LSD, and it was initially tested primarily for its usefulness as an interrogation tool: ie a truth serum.

Here is the official three phase process (of course the line about "voluntary human subjects" is entirely incorrect, and "institutions" means prisons, orphanages, military bases etc). However, the order of events does have a logical structure:

The research and development of materials to be used for altering human behavior consisted of three phases: first, the search for materials suitable for study; second, laboratory testing on voluntary human subjects in various types of institutions; third, the application of MKULTRA materials in normal life settings.

MK-ULTRA was created in 1953. The Pont St Esprit incident happened in 1951.

So, if Pont St Esprit is part of the "MK-ULTRA" nexus, we are talking about a predecessor programme such as Bluebird or Artichoke. However, it still feels very early in terms of (covert) scientific knowledge of LSD to be conducting a mass field trial.

If Pont St Esprit was an LSD field test on hundreds of humans, then it can only have been to assess its power as an incapacitant.

But why would you need to test this on a village in the territory of an allied power?

Surely, it would be much better to run a military training exercise at one of the CBW bases like Dugway Proving Grounds or Fort Detrick, with Blue and Red teams, and then secretly feed the Red team a measured dose of LSD in their cornflakes just before the exercise began.

Such an experimental design would tick all four of my categories above.

In my judgement, Pont St Esprit fails all four criteria.

Jan Klimkowski
02-17-2012, 01:23 PM
From Gordon Thomas' 1988 memo to Eric Olson, son of Frank Olson (see full memo in my post #64 in this thread).

William Sargant was one of the scientific leaders of the British version of "MK-ULTRA":


Time and again Dr Sargant expressed the view that, from all he had learned from the M15 and his own contacts in Washington, there was a strong prima facie case that Frank Olson had been murdered. Sargant believed that Frank Olson could also have been given a cocktail of drugs that included more than LSD. He said he knew that Dr Gottlieb had been researching into slow-acting depressants which, when taken, could drive a person to suicide.

He also believed that, from his own meetings with Frank Olson, there was a very real possibility that your father could become a whistle-blower if he believed that what was happening was wrong.

After my book was published, I continued to meet with Dr Sargent. At that time, I was hoping to see a new edition of the book published (this was not to be) and I wanted to get Dr Sargant's permission to use all he had told me in a new edition. He said I could only publish what he had said after his death. He died in 1988. This Is the account he gave me of your father's death which I now feel free to make public.

in the summer of 1953 Frank Olson travelled to Britain, once again to visit Porton Down. Sargent met with him. Olson said he was going to Europe to meet with a CIA team led by Dr Gottlieb. By then Sargent had learned that Frank Olson was acting deputy head of SO (Special Operations).

Sargent was satisfied that the CIA team were doing similar work that M16 were conducting in Europe - executing without trial known Nazis, especially SS men. (One of the survivors of the British “hit squad” is Peter Mason who lives in Montana: I know nothing about him).

Sargant saw Frank Olson after his brief visit to Norway and West Germany, including Berlin, in the summer of 1953. He said he was concerned about the psychological changes in Frank Olson. In Sargent's view Olson, primarily a researchbased scientist, had witnessed in the field how his arsenal of drugs, etc. worked with lethal effect on human beings (the “expendable” SS men etc.). Sargant believed that for the first time Olson had come face to face with his own reality.

Sargant told me he believed Frank Olson had witnessed murder being committed with the various drugs he had prepared. The shock of what he witnessed, Sargent believed, was all the harder to cope with given that Frank Olson was a patriotic man who believed that the United States would never sanction such acts. Part of that assumption was formed by Sargent because he had come to see Frank Olson as a somewhat naive man: "locked up in his lab mentality" was, I recall, one of the phrases Sargant used.

I remember Sargent telling me that he spoke several times in 1953 with Frank Olson at Sargent's consulting rooms in Harley Street, London. These were not formal patient/doctor consultations but rather Sargent trying to establish what Frank Olson had seen and done in Europe.

Dr Sargent's own conclusion was that Frank Olson had undergone a marked personality change; many of Olson's symptoms — soul searching, seeking reassurance etc. were typical of that, Sargent told me.

He decided that Frank Olson could pose a security risk if he continued to speak and behave as he did. He recommended to his own superiors at the SIS that Frank Olson should no longer have access to Porton Down or to any ongoing British research at the various secret establishments Olson had been allowed prior free access to.

Sargent told me his recommendation was acted upon by his superiors. He was also certain that his superiors, by the nature of the close ties with the CIA, would have informed Richard Helms and Dr Gottlieb of the circumstances why Frank Olson would no longer be given access to British research. Effectively a substantial part of Frank Olson's importance to the CIA had been cut off.

When Dr Sargant learned of Frank Olson's death — I recall him telling me it came in a priority message from the British Embassy in Washington Sargant came to the immediate conclusion that Olson could only have been murdered. I recall him telling me that in many ways the staged death was almost classic.

Gordon Thomas' account seems entirely plausible to me.

The claim that, in the early 1950s, "expendable SS men" were being used in terminal behaviour modification and drug experimentation by British and American intelligence, at classified sites such as Porton Down (the British centre for top secret CBW research), is completely credible.

It is also completely believable that some of the lead researchers would have possessed a moral conscience, and would have sought to blow the whistle on such experimentation. And for such integrity, these moral researchers would have been "suicided" and their deaths, when exposed, used as part of the official narrative covering up these crimes against humanity.

Peter Lemkin
02-17-2012, 02:37 PM
Jan, thay had truckloads full of exacting information on subjects under all kinds of conditions, knowing age, health status, means of administration, naive or not to what to expect, mixes of drugs, dosages, etc. They may have just wanted to see what would happen in 'real world' chemical attack on a population [where one can't control much of anything]. If they did it [and I believe they did], they would have had persons to record the reactions/effects hidden about. That real world reaction might have been all they cared about - not careful dosages, who got what/where and maybe even how. Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were rather 'messy' experiments, as well....I can name others.

Jan Klimkowski
02-17-2012, 03:32 PM
Jan, thay had truckloads full of exacting information on subjects under all kinds of conditions, knowing age, health status, means of administration, naive or not to what to expect, mixes of drugs, dosages, etc.

There's no evidence that the "MK-ULTRA" nexus had "truckloads" of information on the effects of LSD on humans in 1951, when the Pont St Esprit incident happened.

Lauren Johnson
02-17-2012, 06:50 PM
Jan, thay had truckloads full of exacting information on subjects under all kinds of conditions, knowing age, health status, means of administration, naive or not to what to expect, mixes of drugs, dosages, etc. They may have just wanted to see what would happen in 'real world' chemical attack on a population [where one can't control much of anything]. If they did it [and I believe they did], they would have had persons to record the reactions/effects hidden about. That real world reaction might have been all they cared about - not careful dosages, who got what/where and maybe even how. Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were rather 'messy' experiments, as well....I can name others.

At which point the science enters in as statistic analysis.

Or maybe there is a CIA science, which is might go like this: "Screw it. Let's do and see what happens." The "scientific" analysis is at the level of: "Shit, man, that was really cool."

When you have a culture of unlimited power with no accountability, anybody can do anything for almost any reason. Just sayin.'

Peter Lemkin
02-17-2012, 08:46 PM
Jan, thay had truckloads full of exacting information on subjects under all kinds of conditions, knowing age, health status, means of administration, naive or not to what to expect, mixes of drugs, dosages, etc.

There's no evidence that the "MK-ULTRA" nexus had "truckloads" of information on the effects of LSD on humans in 1951, when the Pont St Esprit incident happened.

Well, maybe less than they had by the late 60s, granted, but they likely had the Swiss and Nazi 'experimenters' information. It was not known to the pulic then, but it was know in a small circle. Enough to try to use it as an incapacitant at the very least. Hoffman had tripped on it 13 years earlier and had dabbled and experimented with it [as had others] since.

------------------From Acid Dreams-----------------------------
From the outset the ClA's mind control program had an explicit domestic angle. A
memo dated July 13, 1951, described the Agency's mind-bending efforts as "broad
and comprehensive, involving both domestic and overseas activities, and taking into
consideration the programs and objectives of other departments, principally the
military services." BLUEBIRD activities were designed to create an "exploitable
alteration of personality" in selected individuals; specific targets included "potential
agents, defectors, refugees, POWs," and a vague category of "others." A number of
units within the CIA participated in this endeavor, including the Inspection and
Security Staff (the forerunner of the Office of Security), which assumed overall
responsibility for running the program and dispatching the special interrogation
teams. Colonel Sheffield Edwards, the chairman of the BLUEBIRD steering
committee, consistently pushed for a more reliable speech-inducing substance. By
the time BLUEBIRD evolved into Operation ARTICHOKE (the formal change in code
names occurred in August 1951)
........
It was with the hope of finding the long-sought miracle drug that CIA investigators
first began to dabble with LSD-25 in the early 1950s. At the time very little was
known about the hallucinogen, even in scientific circles. Dr. Wemer Stoll, the son of
Sandoz president Arthur Stoll and a colleague of Albert Hermann's, was the first
person to investigate the psychological properties of LSD. The resuits of his study
were presented in the Swiss Archives of Neurology in 1947. Stoll reported that LSD
produced disturbances in perception, hallucinations, and acceleration in thinking;
moreover, the drug was found to blunt the usual suspiciousness of schizophrenic
patients. No unfavorable aftereffects were described. Two years later in the same
journal Stoll contributed a second report entitled "A New Hallucinatory Agent, Active
in Very Small Amounts."
The fact that LSD caused hallucinations should not have been a total surprise to the
scientific community. Sandoz first became interested in ergot, the natural source of
lysergic acid, because of numerous stories passed down through the ages. The rye
fungus had a mysterious and contradictory reputation. In China and parts of the
Mideast it was thought to possess medicinal qualities, and certain scholars believe
that it may have been used in sacred rites in ancient Greece. In other parts of
Europe, however, the same fungus was associated with the horrible malady known
as St. Anthony's Fire, which struck periodically like the plague. Medieval chronicles
tell of villages and towns where nearly everyone went mad for a few days after
ergot-diseased rye was unknowingly milled into flour and baked as bread. Men were
afflicted with gangrenous limbs that looked like blackened stumps, and pregnant
women miscarried. Even in modem times there have been reports of ergot-related
epidemics.*
The CIA inherited this ambiguous legacy when it embraced LSD as a mind control
drug. An ARTICHOKE document dated October 21, 1951, indicates that acid was
tested initially as part of a pilot study of the effects of various chemicals "on the
conscious suppression of experimental or non-threat secrets." In addition to lysergic
acid this particular survey covered a wide range of substances, including morphine,
ether, Benzedrine, ethyl alcohol, and mescaline. "There is no question," noted the
author of this report, "that drugs are already on hand (and new ones are being
produced) that can destroy integrity and make indiscreet the most dependable
individual." The report concluded by recommending that LSD be critically tested
"under threat conditions beyond the scope of civilian experimentation." POWs,
federal prisoners, and Security officers were mentioned as possible candidates for
these field experiments.
* In 1951 hundreds of respectable citizens in Pont-Saint-Esprit, a small French village, went completely
berserk one evening. Some of the town's leading citizens jumped from windows into the Rhone. Others
ran through the streets screaming about being chased by lions, tigers, and "bandits with donkey ears."
Many died, and those who survived suffered strange aftereffects for weeks.

Jan Klimkowski
02-17-2012, 09:51 PM
Peter - I've been rereading sections of Acid Dreams as well.

The known record strongly suggests that the early LSD experiments were on subjects who could be monitored closely, and that LSD was being investigated as a truth serum. This is what is meant by the phrase "a more reliable speech-inducing substance" in the excerpt you include.

As per my posts above, the early LSD experiments were not designed to identify an incapacitant.

Interrogation of, to use Gordon Thomas's phrase, "expendable SS" POWs fits within the framework of human experimentation without ethical constraint. However, this was still science, albeit from the same stable as Strughold's terminal altitude and hypothermia experiments.

It was science without ethical constraint.

If Pont St Esprit was a Bluebird or Artichoke experiment, then it was not science in any sense.

It was simply an act of total recklessness, with no realistic prospect of any scientific knowledge being learnt.

Ed Jewett
02-17-2012, 10:17 PM
Jan, thay had truckloads full of exacting information on subjects under all kinds of conditions, knowing age, health status, means of administration, naive or not to what to expect, mixes of drugs, dosages, etc. They may have just wanted to see what would happen in 'real world' chemical attack on a population [where one can't control much of anything]. If they did it [and I believe they did], they would have had persons to record the reactions/effects hidden about. That real world reaction might have been all they cared about - not careful dosages, who got what/where and maybe even how. Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were rather 'messy' experiments, as well....I can name others.

At which point the science enters in as statistic analysis.

Or maybe there is a CIA science, which is might go like this: "Screw it. Let's do and see what happens." The "scientific" analysis is at the level of: "Shit, man, that was really cool."

When you have a culture of unlimited power with no accountability, anybody can do anything for almost any reason. Just sayin.'


That (in fewer words) was what I was trying to say.

Adele Edisen
02-18-2012, 06:02 AM
Jan, thay had truckloads full of exacting information on subjects under all kinds of conditions, knowing age, health status, means of administration, naive or not to what to expect, mixes of drugs, dosages, etc. They may have just wanted to see what would happen in 'real world' chemical attack on a population [where one can't control much of anything]. If they did it [and I believe they did], they would have had persons to record the reactions/effects hidden about. That real world reaction might have been all they cared about - not careful dosages, who got what/where and maybe even how. Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were rather 'messy' experiments, as well....I can name others.


At which point the science enters in as statistic analysis.

Or maybe there is a CIA science, which is might go like this: "Screw it. Let's do and see what happens." The "scientific" analysis is at the level of: "Shit, man, that was really cool."

When you have a culture of unlimited power with no accountability, anybody can do anything for almost any reason. Just sayin.'


That (in fewer words) was what I was trying to say.

The Scientific Method is a way by which knowledge may be gained by experimentation or observation, using inductive and deductive reasoning to develop hypotheses and then theories, and after that, laws (such as the Law of Thermodynamics) which are universally applicable. It does not necessarily have to be morally or ethically correct, but simply truthful. In that sense, Science is without morality; it is not moral nor immoral, but is AMORAL (without morality). What is scientifically true is true everywhere, in the US, UK, Canada, France, South America, Asia, Africa, Australia, Artica, Anartica, on the oceans and waterways, in the atmosphere, outer space, under identical conditions. Cultural, political, economic, social, religious, and other attitudes determine the usefulness or non-usefulness of scientific work as ethical or moral in human society.

The word "science" is derived from sciencia which means knowledge.

Adele

Adele Edisen
02-18-2012, 07:08 AM
Peter - I've been rereading sections of Acid Dreams as well.

The known record strongly suggests that the early LSD experiments were on subjects who could be monitored closely, and that LSD was being investigated as a truth serum. This is what is meant by the phrase "a more reliable speech-inducing substance" in the excerpt you include.

As per my posts above, the early LSD experiments were not designed to identify an incapacitant.

Interrogation of, to use Gordon Thomas's phrase, "expendable SS" POWs fits within the framework of human experimentation without ethical constraint. However, this was still science, albeit from the same stable as Strughold's terminal altitude and hypothermia experiments.

It was science without ethical constraint.

If Pont St Esprit was a Bluebird or Artichoke experiment, then it was not science in any sense.

It was simply an act of total recklessness, with no realistic prospect of any scientific knowledge being learnt.

Jan,

I agree with you. It was not an ethical or moral or humanitarian use of knowledge at Pont-St.-Esprit.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=The+Beyond+Within#/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=The+Beyond+Within&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3AThe+Beyond+Within

It would have been known quite early in investigations on LSD that when given the drug, recipients would sit quietly without moving very much because they would be "watching" the movie in their minds, the visual images being created and flying thoughts. So, they were incapacitated in most cases because their attention would be distracted by LSD effects.

And, yes, LSD could have been used as a "truth serum" because it makes the recipient very suggestible to hypnotically presented statements. So a criminal could confess to a crime very easily.

Click on URL above, in reference to a book by Sidney Cohen, THE BEYOND WITHIN, 268 pages, Antheneum Press, 1965. Cohen discusses the use of LSD in hypnotic suggestions.
There were reports in the medical literature of the use of LSD as a hypnotic agent before 1960, but very little had been revealed publicly in the earlier years..

We all know of the work done by a hypnotist at Harvard (?) who succeeded in unlocking the memory of Sirhan Sirhan, alleged RFK assassin, whose memory of events in 1968 had apparently been blocked by a hypnotist who substituted a memory of being at target practice instead of where he really was, in the Hotel Ambassador kitchen. Although many hypnotists had tried, Sirhan Sirhan had remembered nothing of being in the kitchen at the time RFK was killed, nor of being at target practice. Was LSD, or something similar, used on Sirhan Sirhan in 2011 to reveal his thoughts at the time RFK was killed, 43 years later? I have not seen anything on this matter.

Adele

Peter Lemkin
02-18-2012, 07:10 AM
Peter - I've been rereading sections of Acid Dreams as well.

The known record strongly suggests that the early LSD experiments were on subjects who could be monitored closely, and that LSD was being investigated as a truth serum. This is what is meant by the phrase "a more reliable speech-inducing substance" in the excerpt you include.

As per my posts above, the early LSD experiments were not designed to identify an incapacitant.

Interrogation of, to use Gordon Thomas's phrase, "expendable SS" POWs fits within the framework of human experimentation without ethical constraint. However, this was still science, albeit from the same stable as Strughold's terminal altitude and hypothermia experiments.

It was science without ethical constraint.

If Pont St Esprit was a Bluebird or Artichoke experiment, then it was not science in any sense.

It was simply an act of total recklessness, with no realistic prospect of any scientific knowledge being learnt.

Ir it was done [Pont St. Esprit] by the CIA or one of its proprietaries it was likely under Bluebird [or one of the first of Artichoke]. You are correct that much of this 'science' was done unethically. Reading what you said above reminded me that once when I was researching some scientific literature I found a debate in that literature whether it was ethical to publish the work the Nazi 'scientists and doctors' did on concentration camp victims. In fact, most of it has made its way into the current literature [often not by the original 'experimenter' - although at times by them, especially when rehabilitated through Paperclip and similar], as it is considered so important scientifically/medically - this despite the ethics involved [actually the total lack of ethics!] While the Nazi's systematic torture and brutality and working to death has little equal in modern times [the Japanese before and during WWII did a good job of second place on a smaller scale - as did Stalin in his Gulag], the Americans and the Western Powers were capable and there is documated evidence they also engaged in unethical experimentation - as I'm sure you can cite as well as I - before, during and after WW2. They felt they had a 'get out of jail and ethical responsibility-free card' and they used it. Pont St. Esprit could have been one such time. That they were [according to Acid Dreams - a great book, but not the last word] looking for a truth-serum at the time doesn't rule out that they were looking for incapacitants [which have a history back to before WWI] or what the effect of their truth-serum could/would be on an unwitting population in a real-life setting. Sadly, one can get knowledge, scientific and medical and military from unethical experiments in the lab, hospital, detention or death camp, and in real-life settings. As mentioned above much of the Nazi experimentation is still used - though it has been 'laundered' so to speak. Personally, I think it is unethical to publish such results - as unethical as the original 'experiments', but I'm obviously in a minority in the scientific world - or part of an unempowered majority. Behind the shield of 'national security' all kinds of horrors have been and continue to be perpetrated. On Pont St. Esprit, the definitive answers likely lie still in the denied vaults of the intelligence services of the CIA and perhaps the French intelligence services. It doesn't seem like ergotism to me, so what does that leave?!

Adele Edisen
02-18-2012, 07:31 AM
Here's a scientific and ethical questtion from current news:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2077232/Scientist-deliberately-created-Armageddon-bird-flu-virus-lab-says-publish-details.html

Should the method of creation of this deadly virus have been published?

Adele

Magda Hassan
02-18-2012, 07:59 AM
....Reading what you said above reminded me that once when I was researching some scientific literature I found a debate in that literature whether it was ethical to publish the work the Nazi 'scientists and doctors' did on concentration camp victims. In fact, most of it has made its way into the current literature [often not by the original 'experimenter' - although at times by them, especially when rehabilitated through Paperclip and similar], as it is considered so important scientifically/medically - this despite the ethics involved [actually the total lack of ethics!] .... As mentioned above much of the Nazi experimentation is still used - though it has been 'laundered' so to speak. Personally, I think it is unethical to publish such results - as unethical as the original 'experiments', but I'm obviously in a minority in the scientific world - or part of an unempowered majority.

I thought there was an international agreement or perhaps it was the professional bodies that decided that the findings and body of work of the Nazi and Japanese human experiments were not to be used in any future research? I am fairly certain that such a quaint idea has been abandoned in more recent time since 911 say but that was my understanding.

Peter Lemkin
02-18-2012, 08:18 AM
Peter - I've been rereading sections of Acid Dreams as well.

The known record strongly suggests that the early LSD experiments were on subjects who could be monitored closely, and that LSD was being investigated as a truth serum. This is what is meant by the phrase "a more reliable speech-inducing substance" in the excerpt you include.

As per my posts above, the early LSD experiments were not designed to identify an incapacitant.

Interrogation of, to use Gordon Thomas's phrase, "expendable SS" POWs fits within the framework of human experimentation without ethical constraint. However, this was still science, albeit from the same stable as Strughold's terminal altitude and hypothermia experiments.

It was science without ethical constraint.

If Pont St Esprit was a Bluebird or Artichoke experiment, then it was not science in any sense.

It was simply an act of total recklessness, with no realistic prospect of any scientific knowledge being learnt.

Jan,

I agree with you. It was not an ethical or moral or humanitarian use of knowledge at Pont-St.-Esprit.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=The+Beyond+Within#/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=The+Beyond+Within&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3AThe+Beyond+Within

It would have been known quite early in investigations on LSD that when given the drug, recipients would sit quietly without moving very much because they would be "watching" the movie in their minds, the visual images being created and flying thoughts. So, they were incapacitated in most cases because their attention would be distracted by LSD effects.

And, yes, LSD could have been used as a "truth serum" because it makes the recipient very suggestible to hypnotically presented statements. So a criminal could confess to a crime very easily.

Click on URL above, in reference to a book by Sidney Cohen, THE BEYOND WITHIN, 268 pages, Antheneum Press, 1965. Cohen discusses the use of LSD in hypnotic suggestions.
There were reports in the medical literature of the use of LSD as a hypnotic agent before 1960, but very little had been revealed publicly in the earlier years..

We all know of the work done by a hypnotist at Harvard (?) who succeeded in unlocking the memory of Sirhan Sirhan, alleged RFK assassin, whose memory of events in 1968 had apparently been blocked by a hypnotist who substituted a memory of being at target practice instead of where he really was, in the Hotel Ambassador kitchen. Although many hypnotists had tried, Sirhan Sirhan had remembered nothing of being in the kitchen at the time RFK was killed, nor of being at target practice. Was LSD, or something similar, used on Sirhan Sirhan in 2011 to reveal his thoughts at the time RFK was killed, 43 years later? I have not seen anything on this matter.

Adele

There was quite a bit of study of the use of LSD [and similar substances] in combination with hypnosis. I believe it was found that the combination was very powerful. There is also a well-known effect in psychology/psychiatry called drug-dependant learning. When one learns something [trains neural pathways] while under the effects of almost any pychotropic drug; they are most easily recalled when again under the effects of that same drug - in some cases, the memory can ONLY be recalled under the effects of that same drug. This is true even for caffeine or amphetamines. So, if one studies for an exam under its influence, you will do better on the exam if one is also again under its influence. With mind-control cases such as Sirhan Sirhan I'd imagine it was a combination of drug-dependant learning AND hypnotic suggestion / memory replacement. Unlocking such a complex 'lock' would take someone who is an excellent 'locksmith' and knows the kind of tricks the black operatives used.

Jan Klimkowski
02-18-2012, 10:21 AM
The Scientific Method is a way by which knowledge may be gained by experimentation or observation, using inductive and deductive reasoning to develop hypotheses and then theories, and after that, laws (such as the Law of Thermodynamics) which are universally applicable. It does not necessarily have to be morally or ethically correct, but simply truthful. In that sense, Science is without morality; it is not moral nor immoral, but is AMORAL (without morality). What is scientifically true is true everywhere, in the US, UK, Canada, France, South America, Asia, Africa, Australia, Artica, Anartica, on the oceans and waterways, in the atmosphere, outer space, under identical conditions. Cultural, political, economic, social, religious, and other attitudes determine the usefulness or non-usefulness of scientific work as ethical or moral in human society.

The word "science" is derived from sciencia which means knowledge.

Adele

Adele - agreed, with caveats.

Earlier in this thread, I posted the phrase from Pynchon's masterpiece, Gravity's Rainbow:

a good rocket to take us to the stars, an evil rocket for the World’s suicide, the two perpetually in struggle...

The Rocket has many potential uses. The scientists developing rocket technology cannot necessarily determine how The Rocket will be used.

However, they can make a moral choice that, in their judgement, the potential destructive use of a scientific development outweighs its potential beneficial uses, and thus choose not to contrbute to the process of scientific development. Some physicists made such a choice in the context of the atomic bomb.

Fundamentally, though, the manner in which scientific research is conducted is absolutely a moral matter.

Rocket scientists in Nazi Germany used slave and concentration camp labourers at research sites such as Peenemunde. This was criminal and immoral.

Similarly, I have made films exposing Big Pharma's use of "human guinea pigs" in developing countries in Phase III clinical trials of new drugs. These poverty ridden test subjects were exposed to an experimental drug without meaningful clinical oversight or medical support. In one of the trials some women died and others went blind. This information was then left out of the papers published in clinical journals, designed to give the new drug the all-clear for use across the world.

The conduct of these scientific experiments was criminal and immoral. In addition, science was not advanced because negative side effects (death and blindness) were not reported in the official reports of the trials.

So, to LSD.

It is clear that in the 1940s and 50s intelligence agencies across the world were using scientists to identify and develop truth serums. LSD was originally researched in this context.

If Gordon Thomas' memo to Eric Olson (posted above) is considered credible, and I do consider it credible, then it is likely that many of those early LSD interrogations were conducted on - to use Thomas' phrase - "expendable SS" types.

The doctors involved in those experimental truth serum interrogations which had ended in the death of the subject would have known that this was terminal human experimentation. They would have had to form a judgement was to whether the attempt to develop a truth serum for use in interrogation justified the death of a human being.

In my judgement, this was an immoral act.

It is clear that most of the "MK-ULTRA" (in the broad sense) scientific leaders made a different moral judgement, and considered terminal experimentation acceptable.

Frank Olson appears to have disagreed, and considered it immoral.

Frank Olson was therefore "suicided".

Jan Klimkowski
02-18-2012, 10:33 AM
....Reading what you said above reminded me that once when I was researching some scientific literature I found a debate in that literature whether it was ethical to publish the work the Nazi 'scientists and doctors' did on concentration camp victims. In fact, most of it has made its way into the current literature [often not by the original 'experimenter' - although at times by them, especially when rehabilitated through Paperclip and similar], as it is considered so important scientifically/medically - this despite the ethics involved [actually the total lack of ethics!] .... As mentioned above much of the Nazi experimentation is still used - though it has been 'laundered' so to speak. Personally, I think it is unethical to publish such results - as unethical as the original 'experiments', but I'm obviously in a minority in the scientific world - or part of an unempowered majority.

I thought there was an international agreement or perhaps it was the professional bodies that decided that the findings and body of work of the Nazi and Japanese human experiments were not to be used in any future research? I am fairly certain that such a quaint idea has been abandoned in more recent time since 911 say but that was my understanding.

See my post #88 here (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?4658-quot-Dr.-Mary-s-Monkey-quot/page9) on Hubertus Strughold.

Strughold and fellow Nazi scientists conducted terminal experiments where prisoners were exposed to extreme temperate and altitude, to test the absolute limits of human physiology.

Footage of some of those Nazi experiments survived.

In principle, the use of this "scientific data" is banned.

In reality, the Nazi Strughold was Paperclipped to the US where he became "the father of space medicine", and a key part of the NASA project.

Ultimately, the testing of human survival limits when exposed to extreme temperature or altitude does create new scientific knowledge, if the experiment is conducted within a framework of the Scientific Method.

As such it is Science.

It is a scientific experiment that many scientists would like to perform because it will increase the sum of scientific knowledge.

However, it would be both immoral and illegal to perform such experimentation.

Laws are routinely flouted by the military-industrial-intelligence complex.

So, leaving the law out of it, such scientific experimentation would also be completely immoral because there can be no informed consent to being killed in a medical experiment.

Magda Hassan
02-18-2012, 10:49 AM
Yes, I was referring to, I suppose, for lack of a better word, to main stream science. The military are a law unto themselves and in fact it was the military behind the Nazi and Japanese experiment as it was with Paperclip.

Adele Edisen
02-19-2012, 01:00 AM
Here's a scientific and ethical questtion from current news:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2077232/Scientist-deliberately-created-Armageddon-bird-flu-virus-lab-says-publish-details.html

Should the method of creation of this deadly virus have been published?

Adele


For those interested, from this morning's NY Times, front page:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/health/details-of-bird-flu-research-will-be-released.html?scp=1&sq=Deadly%20flu%20virus%20-%2002-18-2012&st=cse

Adele

Adele Edisen
02-19-2012, 01:25 AM
Yes, I was referring to, I suppose, for lack of a better word, to main stream science. The military are a law unto themselves and in fact it was the military behind the Nazi and Japanese experiment as it was with Paperclip.

And this is the very crux of the problem, as Jan and Magda point out. Can clinical researchers, for example, predict the outcome of drug tests when a participant individual's biochemistry and physiological factors are mostly unknown? If they had this complete knowledge, they could, perhaps safely test new drugs on a given group and determine side effects and toxicity, without life-threatening harm. This why prior extensive animal testing must be done.

Does anyone here know that the first piece of legislation passed by the German Reichstag after Adolf Hitler and his party were ELECTED into power was a law forbidding the use of animals in biomedical research? Scientists all over the world condemned this law. Dr. Anton J. Carlson, "Father of American Physioloigists" vigorously fought against it and against Animal Rightists here in the United States.

Adele

Jan Klimkowski
02-19-2012, 06:39 PM
I don't see any particular distinction between "mainstream science" and "military science", other than opportunity.

As I posted above, the scientfic leaders of "MK-ULTRA" and related programmes were all world leaders in their scientific fields:

Cameron was the first chairman of the World Psychiatric Association

West was head of department and director of the Neuropsychiatry Institute at UCLA.

Heath founded the Department of Psychiatry and Neurology at Tulane.

Rhodes Scholar Estabrooks was chairman of the Department of Psychology at Colgate University.

Orne was emeritus professor of psychiatry and psychology at the University of Pennsylvania.

Harlow president of the American Psychological Association from 1958-1959.

Strughold was the "father of space medicine", and a tenured professor.

These scientists believed they could mould human behaviour ("behaviour modification") and determine the extremes of human endurance (altitude and temperate experimentation).

To test their hypotheses, they needed human guinea pigs. The military-industrial-intelligence complex provided the human test subjects, the funding, and the secrecy needed to perform science without ethical constraint.

When these human test subjects died, the military-industrial-intelligence-complex also provided the undertakers and suppressed the "negative data".

The same situation applies with the development of new drugs by Big Pharma. Testing on animals often proves very litte.

Big Pharma needs human guinea pigs, and if the human clinical trials may result in death or maiming, such experimentation is often conducted in the world's poorest countries: human laboratories such as Haiti, Indonesia, Panama and Bangladesh.

Seamus Coogan
02-20-2012, 05:40 AM
I also like Ed he's a good guy but he lost a lot of cred when he teamed up with JVB IMO. Her book he edited is awful.

Adele Edisen
03-06-2012, 02:12 AM
I also like Ed he's a good guy but he lost a lot of cred when he teamed up with JVB IMO. Her book he edited is awful.

Seamus,

Ed Haslam's first two editions of his work were self-published during the 1990s. These made no mention of Judyth Vary Baker at all. His initial investigations into the death of Dr. Mary Sherman were important. In addition, his examination of the relationship between the polio vaccines of Dr. Salk and Dr. Sabin, which were contaminated by a highly carcinogenic monkey virus, Simian Virus 40, because the vaccines required growing the polio virus in cultures of monkey kidney tissues, thus resulting in soft tissue cancer growths in animals and humans, and that became a major breakthrough in understanding the role of viruses in cancer research. This role was acknowledged some decades later by the National Insitutes of Health. At the time that the polio vaccines were being made, in the 1950s, viral causes of cancer tumor growth was not generally accepted in the United States, despite the fact that such had been studied and proven by Dr. Peyton Rous at the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research in New York City in the early 1900s. In the following years, work on many types of cancers did not seem to prove that every cancer was caused by a viral agent. At a 1955 International Cancer Conference held in Chile, Russian researches presented their work on viral causes of cancer and were booed by American scientists and medical specialists in attendance.

One of the sad "benefits" of the Cold War was ignorance. However, in current biological thinking it has been proposed that millions of years in the past during the earliest years of human evolution, humans were infected by an oncogenic (oncogenic = cancer-causing) virus which incorporated itself into our DNA, so that every time a new DNA molecule was duplicated, as in human reproduction, the attached oncogenic viral DNA also was duplicated, In other words, we all carry this genetic material with us. Whether this oncogenic virus can be activated, depends on exposure or lack of exposure to chemical and physical activators, whatever these might be. For example, benzene the chemical, is carcinogenic to humans, and exposure to this substance should be very limited in industrial work. Ultraviolet radiation from the sun may cause skin cancers through this mechanism.

Dr. Peyton Rous was awarded the Nobel Prize for his viral causation of cancer growth discovery in 1966, which he well deserved.

Ed believed JVB. He may have found a way to get his own book published in hardcover form after someone told him that he needed a "witness" and she provided that(?) I still do not understand why he felt he required a "witness", as his original work stood well on its own feet.

Adele

Peter Lemkin
03-06-2012, 09:19 AM
I also like Ed he's a good guy but he lost a lot of cred when he teamed up with JVB IMO. Her book he edited is awful.

Seamus,

Ed Haslam's first two editions of his work were self-published during the 1990s. These made no mention of Judyth Vary Baker at all. His initial investigations into the death of Dr. Mary Sherman were important. In addition, his examination of the relationship between the polio vaccines of Dr. Salk and Dr. Sabin, which were contaminated by a highly carcinogenic monkey virus, Simian Virus 40, because the vaccines required growing the polio virus in cultures of monkey kidney tissues, thus resulting in soft tissue cancer growths in animals and humans, and that became a major breakthrough in understanding the role of viruses in cancer research. This role was acknowledged some decades later by the National Insitutes of Health. At the time that the polio vaccines were being made, in the 1950s, viral causes of cancer tumor growth was not generally accepted in the United States, despite the fact that such had been studied and proven by Dr. Peyton Rous at the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research in New York City in the early 1900s. In the following years, work on many types of cancers did not seem to prove that every cancer was caused by a viral agent. At a 1955 International Cancer Conference held in Chile, Russian researches presented their work on viral causes of cancer and were booed by American scientists and medical specialists in attendance.

One of the sad "benefits" of the Cold War was ignorance. However, in current biological thinking it has been proposed that millions of years in the past during the earliest years of human evolution, humans were infected by an oncogenic (oncogenic = cancer-causing) virus which incorporated itself into our DNA, so that every time a new DNA molecule was duplicated, as in human reproduction, the attached oncogenic viral DNA also was duplicated, In other words, we all carry this genetic material with us. Whether this oncogenic virus can be activated, depends on exposure or lack of exposure to chemical and physical activators, whatever these might be. For example, benzene the chemical, is carcinogenic to humans, and exposure to this substance should be very limited in industrial work. Ultraviolet radiation from the sun may cause skin cancers through this mechanism.

Dr. Peyton Rous was awarded the Nobel Prize for his viral causation of cancer growth discovery in 1966, which he well deserved.

Ed believed JVB. He may have found a way to get his own book published in hardcover form after someone told him that he needed a "witness" and she provided that(?) I still do not understand why he felt he required a "witness", as his original work stood well on its own feet.

Adele

Yes, interesting, that there are some cancers only caused by a virus and some others that seem are triggered by viral DNA incorporated into ours. Other factors in the immune system are at play, but too complex and not relevant to the thread enough to go into.

While this is interesting on the evolutionary level, and for medical cures of cancer, it also can be [and apparently has been] used for the creation [sometimes by error; sometimes by DESIGN] of oncoweapons! [[I]An Oncoweapon would be a cancer-causing weapon]

Magda Hassan
03-06-2012, 10:20 AM
....At a 1955 International Cancer Conference held in Chile, Russian researches presented their work on viral causes of cancer and were booed by American scientists and medical specialists in attendance.

One of the sad "benefits" of the Cold War was ignorance.....
Adele
Yes, a very sad state of affairs. If there had been more collaboration science and medicine would be that much more advanced. I was aware of the Soviet research into viruses and cancer. There were also very advanced in the area of anti-biotics based in an institute in Georgia SSR. I heard that some US doctors have stolen the technique and patented it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phage_therapy

Jan Klimkowski
03-06-2012, 05:27 PM
Ed believed JVB. He may have found a way to get his own book published in hardcover form after someone told him that he needed a "witness" and she provided that(?) I still do not understand why he felt he required a "witness", as his original work stood well on its own feet.


Adele - this has long struck me as intriguing and provocative.

In my judgement, both Haslam's original medical research and the investigation into the assassination of JFK have been severely damaged by the insertion of Judyth Vary Baker's incredible claims into this narrative.

There's an old adage about the dual purpose of intelligence operations....

Seamus Coogan
03-06-2012, 06:07 PM
Ed believed JVB. He may have found a way to get his own book published in hardcover form after someone told him that he needed a "witness" and she provided that(?) I still do not understand why he felt he required a "witness", as his original work stood well on its own feet.


Adele - this has long struck me as intriguing and provocative.

In my judgement, both Haslam's original medical research and the investigation into the assassination of JFK have been severely damaged by the insertion of Judyth Vary Baker's incredible claims into this narrative.

There's an old adage about the dual purpose of intelligence operations....

Its a shame he did so. I found Ed's stuff bar Baker to be really quite interesting. As for the development of offensive biological weapons and so on Ed really had enough evidence for his discoveries and his book detailing his experiences could have been useful as anecdotal evidence.

Charles Drago
03-06-2012, 07:23 PM
There's an old adage about the dual purpose of intelligence operations....

... and it's simply this: every intel op has at least two objectives.

Bud Fensterwald, RIP.

Adele Edisen
03-07-2012, 06:19 AM
....At a 1955 International Cancer Conference held in Chile, Russian researches presented their work on viral causes of cancer and were booed by American scientists and medical specialists in attendance.

One of the sad "benefits" of the Cold War was ignorance.....
Adele
Yes, a very sad state of affairs. If there had been more collaboration science and medicine would be that much more advanced. I was aware of the Soviet research into viruses and cancer. There were also very advanced in the area of anti-biotics based in an institute in Georgia SSR. I heard that some US doctors have stolen the technique and patented it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phage_therapy

Magda,

The phage therapy for bacterial infections would have many advantages over antibiotics and their side effects, such as development of bacterial resistance to the antibiotics, and deleterious antibiotic effects on cellular metabolism, and so on.

One phage that is specific for a strain of E. coli bacteria looks just like a moon-landing transporter with little leg-like structures under its main body. Nature seems to make interesting designs.

And, yes, the more cooperation and open communication amongst scientists and medical specialists of all countries would produce benefits to everyone on earth. No nation has the only access to knowledge.

Thank you for the reference on bacterial phages.

Adele

Adele Edisen
03-07-2012, 06:39 AM
Ed believed JVB. He may have found a way to get his own book published in hardcover form after someone told him that he needed a "witness" and she provided that(?) I still do not understand why he felt he required a "witness", as his original work stood well on its own feet.


Adele - this has long struck me as intriguing and provocative.

In my judgement, both Haslam's original medical research and the investigation into the assassination of JFK have been severely damaged by the insertion of Judyth Vary Baker's incredible claims into this narrative.

There's an old adage about the dual purpose of intelligence operations....

Jan,

Perhaps your memory is better than mine, but I recall that when Ed Haslam was getting his third book version out, he was in communication with Wim Dankbaar in Amsterdam who had taken JVB under his wing. Dankbaar may have made publication of that third edition possible, although I am not absolutely sure about this. He may have had something to do with getting JVB into Ed's book.

There was a video made of an interview of Ed Haslam with a number of other people in the same room who seemed to be cuing him, making comments, and asking questions as he was speaking about his nvestigations and related matters. I don't know who his interviewer was, perhaps someone could remember this video which may still be on the internet somewhere? Do you recall this video interview?

Adele

Magda Hassan
03-07-2012, 09:53 AM
....At a 1955 International Cancer Conference held in Chile, Russian researches presented their work on viral causes of cancer and were booed by American scientists and medical specialists in attendance.

One of the sad "benefits" of the Cold War was ignorance.....
Adele
Yes, a very sad state of affairs. If there had been more collaboration science and medicine would be that much more advanced. I was aware of the Soviet research into viruses and cancer. There were also very advanced in the area of anti-biotics based in an institute in Georgia SSR. I heard that some US doctors have stolen the technique and patented it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phage_therapy

Magda,

The phage therapy for bacterial infections would have many advantages over antibiotics and their side effects, such as development of bacterial resistance to the antibiotics, and deleterious antibiotic effects on cellular metabolism, and so on.

One phage that is specific for a strain of E. coli bacteria looks just like a moon-landing transporter with little leg-like structures under its main body. Nature seems to make interesting designs.

And, yes, the more cooperation and open communication amongst scientists and medical specialists of all countries would produce benefits to everyone on earth. No nation has the only access to knowledge.

Thank you for the reference on bacterial phages.

Adele
Yes, they would treat any one from the west as well for free but not many people ever knew about it because of the media boycott of all things soviet. Many tragic cases unable to be treated by penicillin based anti biotics were treated very successfully with tailor made phage therapy and with out the side effects.
The soviets were also very advanced in opthamology and eye surgery. It is now being done in the west.

Ed Jewett
03-27-2012, 02:09 AM
Source: http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/?p=56542

A Medical “Manhattan Project”: Dr. Alton Oschner, JFK Murder, CIA, Monkey Viruses & the Search for a Weaponized Form of Cancer

25th March 2012
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Edited by Alex ConstantineAlso see: Cancer the Secret Weapon? (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/?p=55844)
Re: “Dr Mary’s Monkey: How the unsolved murder of a doctor, a secret laboratory inNew Orleans and cancer-causing monkey viruses are linked to Lee Harvey Oswald, the JFK assassination and emerging global epidemics,” by Ed Haslam (2007 TrineDay)


Book Review
SV-40, the monkey virus Dr Mary Sherman, David Ferrie and a woman named Judyth Vary Baker (who describes her romantic involvement with Lee Harvey Oswald in her 2010 memoir Lee and Me) were experimenting with (see last blog), was first discovered in 1957. Originally known as “polyoma virus” (referring to its ability to cause several types of tumors in small mice), it was first identified by Drs Bernice Eddy and Sarah Stuart at the National Institutes of Health (NIH). In 1960 Eddy discovered that the monkey kidney cells used to prepare the Salk and Sabin polio vaccines were contaminated with SV-40 (see * below). Instead of withdrawing the vaccine, the NIH (as they often do with whistle blowing scientists), chose to destroy her career. A year later two other virologists replicated Eddy’s findings, and two polio vaccine manufacturers voluntarily withdrew their vaccine. Although NIH allegedly took steps to ensure that batches that came to market after 1963 were free of SV040, they continued to inoculate millions of children with the contaminated vaccine. To avoid “public hysteria,” they chose not to alert parents of the cancer risk.
The New Orleans Medical “Manhattan Project”

The top secret experiments Sherman, Ferrie and Baker conducted in 1963 involved irradiation of SV-40 virus in the hope a creating a biological warfare agent – a mutated virus that could cause “galloping” cancer, which kills its victims within weeks rather than months. Following irradiation, Sherman injected the mutated viruses into thousands of mice. It was Ferrie’s and Baker’s job to sacrifice the mice, dissect the tumors and identify and extract viruses that seemed the most virulent. …
MORE: http://stuartbramhall.aegauthorblogs.com/2011/12/17/sv-40-and-the-cancer-epidemic/
Dr. Alton Oschner Bio


spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk
http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/tn_Ochsner_detail_11-300x225.jpg (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/tn_Ochsner_detail_11.jpg)Alton Ochsner, the son of German immigrants, was born Kimball, South Dakota, on 4th May, 1896. His uncle, A. J. Ochsner, was founder and president of the American College of Surgeons (http://www.facs.org/).
Ochsner studied at Washington University (http://www.wustl.edu/), St. Louis (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/USAstlouis.htm) before moving to the University of Wisconsin Medical School (http://www.med.wisc.edu/). He then went to work with A. J. Ochsner in Chicago (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/USAchicago.htm) where he helped develop techniques for blood typing.
In 1927 Ochsner, with the help of his uncle, was appointed as Head of Surgery at Tulane Medical School (http://www.som.tulane.edu/) in New Orleans (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/USAneworleans.htm).
In 1939 Alton Ochsner and Michael De Bakey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_E._DeBakey) published an article suggesting that there was a link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer. Along with William Donovan (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/2WWdonovanW.htm) Ochsner was on the board of theAmerican Cancer Society (http://www.cancer.org/docroot/home/index.asp). Later he became president of the organization.
As a result of his research he established the Ochsner Clinic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochsner_Medical_Center) in 1942 and pioneered the “war against smoking.” In 1952 Ochsner appointed Mary Sherman (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKshermanM.htm) to take control of the cancer laboratory.In 1955 he published Smoking and Cancer: A Doctor’s Report.
Ochsner was a passionate anti-communist and after becoming friends with Cordell Hull (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/USARhull.htm), was invited to look after Tomas Gabriel Duque (http://www.pa/secciones/patria/tomasgduque.htm), the former dictator of Panama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama). He also become friends with Anastasio Somoza (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/COLDsomoza.htm), the dictator of Nicaragua (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/COLDnicaragua.htm). Ochsner also treated Juan Peron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Peron), the dictator of Argentina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina).
The FBI (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/USAfbi.htm) maintained a file on Ochsner. This file was recently released under the Freedom of Information Act (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/foia.html). It shows that Ochsner had a long relationship with various U.S. government agencies.
Ochsner also developed a close friendship with Clint Murchison (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKmurchison.htm) who helped fund various right-wing organizations. Ochsner was also connected to Warren Commission (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKwarrenR.htm) member, Hale Boggs (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKboggs.htm). According to one Louisiana State Representative, Ochsner was “the most aggressive seeker and recipient of so-called federal handouts in the Second District (Hale Boggs’ district).
In 1961 Ochsner, with the financial help of Clint Murchison (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKmurchison.htm), established the Information Council of the Americas (http://cuban-exile.com/doc_076-100/doc0078.html) (INCA). Ed Butler (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKbutlerED.htm) was appointed as Executive Director of INCA. The main objective of the organization was to prevent communist revolutions in Latin America. Ochsner told the New Orleans States Item (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans_Times-Picayune): “We must spread the warning of the creeping sickness of communism faster to Latin Americas, and to our own people, or Central and South America will be exposed to the same sickness as Cuba.” (16th April, 1963)
Edgar and Edith Stern, owners of WDSU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WDSU) radio and television, were members of INCA. Eustis Reily of theReily Coffee Company (http://www.namebase.org/xrec/Reily-Coffee-Company.html) personally donated thousands of dollars to INCA. However, it was Patrick J. Frawley (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKfawleyP.htm), a Californian industrialist and close friend of Richard Nixon (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/USAnixon.htm), who was INCA’s largest financial contributor. The organization used some of this money to make a film about Fidel Castro (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/COLDcastroF.htm) entitled, Hitler in Havana (http://www.ihffilm.com/852.html). The New York Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times) reviewed the film calling it a “tasteless affront to minimum journalistic standards.”
One of Ochsner’s friends described him as being “like a fundamentalist preacher in the sense that the fight against communism was the only subject that he would talk about, or even allow you to talk about, in his presence.”
Edward Haslam (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKhaslamE.htm) argues in Dr. Mary’s Monkey (http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_b/026-8857582-2442061?initialSearch=1&url=search-alias=stripbooks&field-keywords=Dr.+Mary's+Monkey&Go.x=12&Go.y=8) that “Ochsner’s hospital was one of the 159 covert research centers which the CIA had admitted to setting up.” Haslam believes that Ochsner recruited Mary Sherman (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKshermanM.htm)to run the research operation The basic project was set up March 23, 1962, using conventional facilities, which then expanded out of the loop for its final phases. Haslam believes that Sherman was involved in carrying out secret research into developing a vaccine to prevent an epidemic of soft-tissue cancers caused by polio vaccine contaminated with SV-40. This work included using a linear particle accelerator located in the Infectious Disease Laboratory at the Public Health Service Hospital in New Orleans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans,_Louisiana). According to Haslam there was a second-lab working on this project. This was being run by David Ferrie (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKferrie.htm) on Louisiana Avenue Parkway.
Ochsner was strongly opposed to the domestic and foreign policy of President John F. Kennedy (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/USAkennedyJ.htm). He wrote to Senator Allen Ellender (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/USAellenderA.htm): “I sincerely hope that the Civil Rights Bill (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/USAcivil64.htm) can also be defeated, because if it was passed, it would certainly mean virtual dictatorship by the President and the Attorney General, a thing I am sure they both want.”
Ochsner was also friends with Clay Shaw (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKshaw.htm). Ochsner was president of the International House, whereas Shaw was director of the organization. Both men were also directors of the Foreign Policy Association of New Orleans and arranged for CIA Deputy Director to New Orleans to discuss the communist threat.
Ochsner sat on the National Institute of Health Board of Directors. A fellow director in the early 1960s wasJose Rivera (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKrivera.htm). In 1963 Rivera was in New Orleans (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/USAneworleans.htm) handing out research grants from NIH to the Tulane Medical School (http://www.som.tulane.edu/).
The records of the Mexican consulate office in New Orleans show that when Lee Harvey Oswald (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKoswald.htm) obtained his visa for his trip to Mexico, he did so at the same time as William Gaudet (http://www.namebase.org/main4/William-George-Gaudet.html). As Edward Haslam (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKhaslamE.htm) points out in Dr. Mary’s Monkey (http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_b/026-8857582-2442061?initialSearch=1&url=search-alias=stripbooks&field-keywords=Dr.+Mary's+Monkey&Go.x=12&Go.y=8) : “Gaudet.. is known to have worked for the CIA and edited an anti-Communist newsletter which Ochsner financed.”
Adele Edisen (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKedisen.htm)has revealed that in April 1963, Jose Rivera (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKrivera.htm), gave her the name of Lee Harvey Oswald (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKoswald.htm) and his New Orleans phone number three weeks before he moved to the city.
On 21st July, 1964, Mary Sherman (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKshermanM.htm) was murdered. The following day, Ochsner wrote a letter to R. H. Crosby, his largest financial contributor saying “our Government, our schools, our press, and our churches have become infiltrated with Communism”.
In 1967 Jim Garrison (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKgarrison.htm) began investigating the activities of Lee Harvey Oswald (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKoswald.htm) in New Orleans (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/USAneworleans.htm). Ochsner told a friend that he feared Garrison would order his arrest and the seizure of INCA’s corporate records. Ed Butler (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKbutlerED.htm) took these records to California where Patrick J. Frawley (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKfawleyP.htm) arranged for them to be hidden. Ronald Reagan (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/USAreagan.htm), the governor of California refused all of Garrison’s extradition requests. Frawley had previously helped fund Reagan’s political campaigns in California.
Ochsner attacked the Garrison investigation as being unpatriotic because it eroded public confidence and threatened the stability of the American government. In his article, Social Origins of Anticommunism: The Information Council of the Americas (http://www.jfk-online.com/jpsebinca.html) (Louisiana History, Spring 1989) Arthur Carpenter claimed that Ochsner launched a propaganda campaign against Garrison. This included sending information to a friend who was the publisher of the Nashville Banner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashville_Banner).
According to Carpenter, Ochsner also attempted to discredit Mark Lane (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKlaneM.htm), who was assisting the Garrison investigation. He told Felix Edward Hebert (http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=H000437) that Lane was “a professional propagandist of the lunatic left”. Ochsner also instructed Herbert to tell Edwin E. Willis (http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=W000559) (Chairman of the House Committee) to dig up “whatever information you can” on Lane.
Felix Edward Hebert (http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=H000437) later sent Ochsner a report on Mark Lane (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/JFKlaneM.htm) extracted from confidential government files. This included “the files of the New York City Police, the FBI, and other security agencies.” These files claimed that Lane was “a sadist and masochist, charged on numerous occasions with sodomy”. Hebert also supplied Ochsner with a photograph that was supposed to be Lane engaged in a sadomasochistic act with a prostitute.
Alton Ochsner died on 6th September, 1981.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKochsner.htm
FTR #644 Interview with Ed Haslam About Dr. Mary’s Monkey


Intro*duc*tion: … A New Orleans Native, Ed Haslam’s life*long inves*tiga*tive path*way (http://www.themonkeyvirus.com/) into events over*lap*ping the milieu of the assas*si*na*tion of Pres*i*dent Kennedy and appar*ently iatro*genic (man-made) epi*demics con*sti*tutes a nar*ra*tive that is both thrilling and ter*ri*fy*ing. Sup*ple*ment*ing and expand*ing an inves*ti*ga*tion first pub*lished in Ed’s 1996 title Mary, Fer*rie and the Mon*key Virus (http://spitfirelist.com/?p=27), this vol*ume intro*duces the remark*able story of Judyth Vary Baker, a bril*liant can*cer researcher recruited to work on a clan*des*tine project in which viruses were irra*di*ated. Appar*ently inau*gu*rated in order to cre*ate an anti-cancer vac*cine, the project mor*phed into an effort to cre*ate bio*log*i*cal weaponry (http://spitfirelist.com/?tag=bio-weapons), ini*tially to assas*si*nate Fidel Cas*tro and, per*haps, to cre*ate geno*ci*dal weapons. Among Ms. Baker’s co-workers in the project were (allegedly) Lee Har*vey Oswald. After a rup*ture with Dr. Arnold Ochsner, the med*ical lumi*nary who presided over the project, Lee allegedly trav*eled to Dal*las to attempt to pre*vent the assas*si*na*tion of Pres*i*dent Kennedy (http://spitfirelist.com/?tag=jfk)by ele*ments of U.S. intel*li*gence. Unsuc*cess*ful, he was framed for the crime and mur*dered before he had a chance to defend him*self. After the 1964 mur*der of Dr. Mary Sher*man, the Ochsner asso*ciate who was a piv*otal mem*ber of the project’s staff, the deadly mutated viruses appear to have fallen into the hands of mur*der*ous right-wing extrem*ists con*nected to the intel*li*gence community.Pro*gram High*lights Include: Syn*op*sis of the impor*tance of the city of New Orleans to Amer*i*can polit*i*cal and eco*nomic infra*struc*ture; dis*cus*sion of the sig*nif*i*cance of New Orleans as a cen*ter for research into trop*i*cal dis*eases; overview of the impor*tance of Tulane Uni*ver*sity for research into trop*i*cal dis*eases; the med*ical and polit*i*cal career of Dr. Alton Ochsner; dis*cus*sion of the careers of three remark*able female med*ical researchers (Mary Sher*man, Sarah Stew*art, Ber*nice Eddy); review of the fun*da*men*tals of the New Orleans com*po*nent of the assas*si*na*tion of JFK; dis*cus*sion of a soft-tissue can*cer epi*demic cur*rently man*i*fest*ing itself in the United States as a result of the con*t*a*m*i*na*tion of the polio vac*cine with a can*cer caus*ing mon*key virus (http://technorati.com/tag/SV40)–SV-40; dis*cus*sion of the pos*si*bil*ity that the AIDS epi*demic may be man made (http://spitfirelist.com/index.php?s=biological warfare) (FTR#16 (http://www.spitfirelist.com/f016.html) may prove par*tic*u*larly use*ful in research*ing this sub*ject.) The Virus and the Vac*cine (http://tinyurl.com/4nn5uk) by Deb*bie Bookchin and Jim Schu*macher fleshes out the story of the SV-40 con*t*a*m*i*na*tion of the polio vaccine.1. The pro*gram begins with analy*sis of the Cres*cent City as a vital eco*nomic and polit*i*cal engine. The North*ern*most port of the Caribbean and the gate*way to the Mis*sis*sippi River–the largest com*mer*cial water*way in the United States–New Orleans has long occu*pied a piv*otally impor*tant posi*tion in Amer*i*can eco*nomic infra*struc*ture. With agri*cul*tural prod*ucts such as cof*fee, sugar and bananas com*ing up from Latin Amer*ica and U.S. farm prod*ucts such as corn and wheat, as well as fin*ished indus*trial tools and goods going down to Latin Amer*ica, New Orleans has been a com*mer*cial epicenter.
The eco*nomic power cen*tered in the Cres*cent City pro*duced deriv*a*tive polit*i*cal and national secu*rity influ*ence. The pro*found strate*gic sig*nif*i*cance of the port of New Orleans ele*vated that city and–to an extent, the state of Louisiana–to dis*pro*por*tion*ate influ*ence in both Con*gress and the national secu*rity estab*lish*ment. Among the leg*isla*tive lumi*nar*ies from Louisiana:
” . . . F. Edward Hebert, Chair*man of Armed Ser*vices Com*mit*tee of the U.S. House of Rep*re*sen*ta*tives. Taxes start in the House, and bud*gets start in Com*mit*tee. As Chair*man of the House Armed Ser*vices Com*mit*tee, the entire U.S. mil*i*tary bud*get and the vast major*ity of the CIA bud*get started on Hebert’s desk. One of his jobs was to hide most of the CIA bud*get in the U.S. mil*i*tary bud*get. He was known as ‘the military’s best friend.’
Allen Elen*der, had been in the U.S. Sen*ate for over 40 years. He was the senior sen*a*tor when [for*mer Louisiana Gov*er*nor] Huey Long was the junior sen*a*tor in the 1930’s. Ellen*der sat on the Armed Ser*vices Com*mit*tee of the U.S. Sen*ate and got Hebert’s bud*get through the Sen*ate. Between the two, they made sure that Louisiana received its fair share of mil*i*tary and space contracts.
Rus*sell Long, the son of Huey Long, was Major*ity Whip of the U.S. Sen*ate, Chair*man of the Senate’s pow*er*ful Ways and Means Com*mit*tee, and mem*ber of the Sen*ate Bank*ing Committee.
Hale Boggs, Major*ity Whip of the U.S. House of Rep*re*sen*ta*tives, was the 3rd most pow*er*ful man in that body, and was con*sid*ered by many to be LBJ’s ‘man-in-the house.’ . . .”

Dr. Mary’s Mon*key by Ed Haslam; Trine Day [SC]; Copy*right 2007 by Ed Haslam; ISBN 978–0-9777953–0-6; p. 30. (http://ftrreading.blogspot.com/2006/07/dr-marys-monkey.html)
2. The loca*tion of New Orleans and the resul*tant trop*i*cal dis*ease prob*lem it has encoun*tered has made the city a focal point of med*ical research into afflic*tions such as malaria and yel*low fever. Although not as well known as some US insti*tu*tions of higher learn*ing, Tulane Uni*ver*sity has assumed great sig*nif*i*cance in trop*i*cal dis*ease research. Much of that research has involved using pri*mates as exper*i*men*tal subjects.
“ . . . In Louisiana, the Delta Regional Pri*mate Cen*ter opened its doors in Novem*ber 1964 with Tulane Uni*ver*sity serv*ing as the host insti*tu*tion. This took the mon*key virus research out of down*town New Orleans and put it in 500 wooded acres near Cov*ing*ton, Louisiana across Lake Pontchar*train. Today, that lab*o*ra*tory has over 4,000 pri*mates, thirty sci*en*tists, and 130 sup*port work*ers, plus a pub*lic rela*tions direc*tor whose job it is to boast of the center’s virus research espe*cially on AIDS, and to point to the improve*ments in lab secu*rity, such as the high-security zone, where researchers and staff shower and change clothes before approach*ing or leav*ing the 500 mon*keys infected with simian AIDS. . . .”

Ibid.; p. 23.
3. Next, Ed syn*op*sizes the career and activ*i*ties of Dr. Alton Ochsner and his lofty stand*ing in the med*ical com*mu*nity. A famous sur*geon who helped to pio*neer blood trans*fu*sion pro*ce*dures, Ochsner became a dom*i*nant influ*ence at Tulane Uni*ver*sity and in New Orleans. Of par*tic*u*lar note was his rela*tion*ship with Latin Amer*i*can elite infrastructure.
“ . . . The Latin Amer*i*can angle was a nat*ural for a med*ical clinic in New Orleans. And as we noted ear*lier, New Orleans was America’s com*mer*cial pipeline to Latin Amer*ica, and Tulane’s rep*u*ta*tion was golden in the region. For a group of Tulane doc*tors to form a med*ical clinic to serve the needs of the Latin elite was great news for those who could step on a plane in their cap*i*tal city and be in New Orleans quicker than most Amer*i*cans. To pro*mote his clinic, Ochsner made over a hun*dred trips to Latin Amer*ica dur*ing his career, and became friends with its rulers. . . . Among his friends, Ochsner counted Anas*ta*sio Somoza, Nicaragua’s for*mer Pres*i*dent (and dic*ta*tor), who was run out his coun*try by rev*o*lu*tion*ar*ies in 1979. Thos rela*tion*ship is what one might call a per*sonal one, based on the let*ters in Ochsner’s per*sonal papers. . . Ochsner and Somoza shared mutual anti-Communist objec*tives. Somoza’s per*sonal physi*cian, Dr. Henri DeBayle, sat on the Board of Direc*tors of Guy Banister’s infa*mous Anti-Communist League of the Caribbean. Another patient was Juan Peron the pres*i*dent (and dic*ta*tor) of Argentina. Fol*low*ing the lead of these dic*ta*tors came the oli*garchies of Latin Amer*i*can coun*tries, which had not devel*oped their own health care systems. . . .”

Ibid.; pp. 178–179.
4. Ed out*lined Ochsner’s reac*tionary polit*i*cal ori*en*ta*tion, includ*ing his oppo*si*tion to the civil rights move*ment and, above all, his mil*i*tant anti-Communism, which led him to found INCA—the Infor*ma*tion Coun*cil of the Amer*i*cas. An appar*ent intel*li*gence front, INCA recorded an inter*view on New Orleans radio sta*tion WDSU fea*tur*ing Lee Har*vey Oswald pro*claim*ing his sup*posed Marx*ist sym*pa*thies. (To hear this inter*view and back*ground infor*ma*tion about INCA, see FTR#621 (http://www.spitfirelist.com/f621.html).) Ochsner devel*oped numer*ous links to the intel*li*gence com*mu*nity as the Cold War progressed.
“ . . . In Octo*ber 1959, after two years of work*ing in a ‘Sen*si*tive Posi*tion,’ pre*sum*ably with the FBI, the FBI con*ducted yet another ‘Sen*si*tive Posi*tion’ inves*ti*ga*tion on Ochsner and for*warded their find*ings to an unnamed U.S. gov*ern*ment agency. Sev*eral days later, on Octo*ber 21, 1959, the FBI, free*ing him up to accept an assign*ment from the other undis*closed agency. So what was hap*pen*ing in 1957 and 1959? Why would they have needed the ser*vices of a doc*tor? And what did they need from this doc*tor that they could not get from the legions of other doc*tors already work*ing for the U.S. gov*ern*ment in one capac*ity or another? These are impor*tant questions. . . .”

Ibid.; p. 182.
5. The “impor*tant ques*tions” noted above receive a two-track answer in Ed’s book. In New Orleans, we view the con*flu*ence of the covert oper*a*tions being con*ducted against the regime of Fidel Cas*tro in Cuba with attempts at deriv*ing a vac*cine to neu*tral*ize a deadly, cancer-causing viral con*t*a*m*i*nant in the polio vac*cine admin*is*tered to mil*lions of Amer*i*cans. One of the major focal points of Dr. Mary’s Mon*key con*cerns the SV-40, a simian ver*sion of the deadly poly*oma virus which causes mul*ti*ple can*cers in mul*ti*ple species. Because the polio vaccine’s virus was grown on mon*key kid*neys, SV-40 found its way into the vac*cine when the polio viruses were har*vested for vac*cine pro*duc*tion. Out*lin*ing the story of the con*t*a*m*i*na*tion of the polio vac*cine with SV-40, Ed presents that account in con*junc*tion with the story of three remark*able female physicians–Dr.‘s Sarah Stew*art, Ber*nice Eddy and Mary Sher*man. After dis*cussing the fail*ure of the ini*tial polio vac*cine, Ed writes:
. . . In the after*math of the deba*cle, Ber*nice Eddy was taken off polio research and trans*ferred to the influenza sec*tion by the thank*less NIH man*age*ment. She shared her frus*tra*tions with a small group of women sci*en*tists who ate brown-bag lunches on the steps of one of the lab*o*ra*to*ries. There Eddy met a tena*cious sci*en*tist named Stew*art, M.D., PhD., who was wag*ing her own bat*tle against the offi*cial par*a*digms of bureau*cratic med*i*cine. Ber*nice Eddy and Sarah Stew*art became close friends.
Sarah Stewart’s name remains vir*tu*ally unknown today, despite her huge con*tri*bu*tion to mod*ern med*i*cine. Not only did she prove that some can*cers were caused by viruses, but sub*se*quent research on the virus she dis*cov*ered led to the dis*cov*ery of DNA recom*bi*na*tion, which is one of the most pow*er*ful tools in med*ical research today. . . .”

Ibid.; p. 204.
6. More about Dr.‘s Eddy, Stew*art and their dis*cov*ery of Poly*oma and the SV-40 con*t*a*m*i*na*tion of the polio vaccine:
” . . . In 1957, Stew*art and Eddy dis*cov*ered the poly*oma virus, which pro*duced sev*eral types of can*cer in a vari*ety of small mam*mals. Poly*oma proved that some can*cers were indeed caused by viruses. Her dis*cov*ery offi*cially threw open the doors of can*cer virol*ogy. . . . But it raised some dark ques*tions about ear*lier deeds. Before long, Yale’s lab*o*ra*tory dis*cov*ered that the poly*oma virus that had pro*duced the can*cer in Stewart’s mice and ham*sters turned out to act like Simian Virus #40 (SV-40), a mon*key virus that caused cancer.
In June 1959, Ber*nice Eddy, who was still offi*cially to the flu vac*cine project, began think*ing about the polio vac*cine again. This time she was wor*ried about some*thing much deeper than polio. The vaccine’s man*u*fac*tur*ers had grown their polio viruses on the kid*neys of mon*keys. And when they removed the polio virus from the mon*keys’ kid*neys, they also removed an unknown num*ber of other mon*key viruses. . . . Eddy grew sus*pi*cious of the polio vac*cine and asked an excru*ci*at*ing ques*tion: Had they inoc*u*lated an entire gen*er*a*tion of Amer*i*cans with cancer-causing mon*key viruses? She con*ducted her research qui*etly, with*out alert*ing her NIH super*vi*sors. . . .Her impli*ca*tion was clear: There were cancer-causing mon*key viruses in the polio vaccine! . . .”

Ibid.; pp. 206–7.
7. Like Dr.‘s Eddy and Stew*art, Dr. Mary Sher*man should be a focal point of seri*ous fem*i*nist research. These women achieved pro*foundly sig*nif*i*cant gains in the field of med*ical research at a time when pro*fes*sional advance*ment for women was dif*fi*cult. Dr. Sher*man even*tu*ally landed in New Orleans as a pro*tege of Dr. Alton Ochsner. Ed the*o*rizes that her net*work*ing with NIH mem*bers, includ*ing Sarah Stew*art, may have resulted in her par*tic*i*pa*tion in a project to irra*di*ate viruses in hope of devel*op*ing a vac*cine to pre*vent the pro*jected HIV-generated can*cer epidemic:
” . . . Fer*rie and the angry Cuban exiles may have been will*ing to develop a bio*log*i*cal weapon to kill Cas*tro, but I per*son*ally had not thought that Dr. Mary Sher*man (or the other doc*tors) would have know*ingly been party to the secret devel*op*ment of a bio*log*i*cal weapon. I did, how*ever, think that she might have been will*ing to be part of a covert effort to pre*vent an epi*demic of can*cer! Espe*cially, if com*pe*tent can*cer researchers whom she per*son*ally knew and trusted thought it was pos*si*ble, and if she believed that bureau*cratic pol*i*tics or pro*ce*dures were ham*per*ing the process at the national level. They Key Words are ‘knew and trusted.’ . . . Mary Sher*man and Sarah Stew*art were friends and class*mates in Chicago for three years. . . . .”

Ibid.; pp. 218–9.
8. In New Orleans largely as a result of her pro*fes*sional rela*tion*ship with Dr. Ochsner, Sher*man crossed into the world of covert oper*a*tions because of that same rela*tion*ship. As seen above, Ochsner was very polit*i*cally active and well con*nected with the national secu*rity estab*lish*ment. Part of the anti-Castro covert oper*a*tions milieu in New Orleans, Ochsner appears to have been involved with–among other activities–an attempt at irra*di*at*ing viruses in order to cre*ate a bio*log*i*cal weapon with which to kill Fidel Cas*tro. This alle*ga*tion comes from yet another bril*liant female can*cer researcher, Judyth Vary Baker. A sci*en*tific prodigy, Judyth’s can*cer research drew the atten*tion of top med*ical author*i*ties while she was still in high school. Judyth Vary Baker con*tends that she, Dr. Sher*man, Lee Har*vey Oswald, Dr. Alton Oschner and David Fer*rie were work*ing on a project to use irra*di*ated viruses to develop a bio*log*i*cal war*fare agent to kill Cas*tro. The oper*a*tion was pig*gy*backed on the project to pro*duce the can*cer vaccine.
” . . . Was Judyth the tech*ni*cian in David Ferrie’s under*ground med*ical lab*o*ra*tory? She admits that she was, despite the obvi*ous legal, eth*i*cal and secu*rity con*se*quences of doing so. Were they irra*di*at*ing cancer-causing viruses to develop a bio*log*i*cal weapon? Judyth par*tic*i*pated in that oper*a*tion, and has said that their use of radi*a*tion was both delib*er*ate and cen*tral to the design of the project. Was the oper*a*tion in David Ferrie’s apart*ment con*nected to an oper*a*tion at the U.S. Pub*lic Health Hos*pi*tal? Judyth says it was. . . .”

Ibid.; p. 305.
9. With polit*i*cal extrem*ists of Ferrie’s ilk in charge of the deadly viruses being made under the aus*pices of the project, the organ*isms may have been used in a geno*ci*dal, ethnic-cleansing application.
” . . . The Ferrie-Sherman under*ground med*ical lab*o*ra*tory may have started with the noble and patri*otic mis*sion of pre*vent*ing an epi*demic of can*cer in Amer*ica; but once the work started, once the power to move can*cer from ani*mal to ani*mal was estab*lished, once the abil*ity to change viruses genet*i*cally was demon*strated, once the more vir*u*lent viral strains were iso*lated, once the means of trans*mis*sion was estab*lished, once Mary Sher*man died, and once [intel*li*gence agent and anti-Castro oper*a*tive] Guy Ban*is*ter died, then the lab*o*ra*tory, the ani*mals and the viruses were left in the hands of David Fer*rie. He could eas*ily have per*verted the lab’s resources into a bio*log*i*cal weapon if he wished to do so, pick*ing the most vir*u*lent strains and deliv*er*ing them to a tar*get. . . Given his his*tory of vio*lent polit*i*cal acg*tivigties and his record of men*tal insta*bil*ity, the ques*tion is dis*turb*ing: What would David Fer*rie do if he real*ized he held the power to change his*tory in his hands? . . .”

Ibid.; pp. 280–81.
10. Through*out the pro*gram, Ed fills in the pic*ture of David Fer*rie (http://spitfirelist.com/?s=), his long*stand*ing work for ele*ments of U.S. intel*li*gence, his work for New Orleans crime boss Car*los Mar*cello, as well as his rela*tion*ship to the milieu of the JFK assassination.
11. Ed the*o*rizes that AIDS may have stemmed from the irra*di*a*tion of viruses under the janus-faced can*cer research/biological war*fare project:
” . . . SIV is the Simian Immun*od*e*fi*ciency Virus, one of sev*eral mon*key Viruses known to have con*t*a*m*i*nated the polio vac*cine. The more car*cino*genic SV-40 has received most of the press. SIV, a single-strand RNA retro*virus, is con*sid*er*ably smaller than SV-40 (a double-strand DNA virus). The tech*nol*ogy of the 1950’s was not able to fil*ter SIV from the viral extracts. Fur*ther, researchers of the day did not con*sider retro*viruses to be dan*ger*ous, so they basi*cally ignored them. AIDS has taught us how dan*ger*ous retro*viruses can be. If ‘the project’ in New Orleans was inten*tion*ally expos*ing SV-40 to radi*a*tion they have exposed SIV to radi*a*tion at the same time. Sim*ply stated, HIV-1 is a mutated form of SIV. Did the muta*tion which changed SIV into HIV-1 occur when SV-40 was exposed to radi*a*tion? Was this the moment of con*cep*tion of AIDS? Could this artificially-induced muta*tion explain why HIV-1 is mutat*ing so rapidly? Why it is behav*ing so ‘unnaturally’? . . . .”

Ibid.; p. 305.
12. Using the National Can*cer Institute’s own sta*tis*tics for the inci*dence of can*cer from 1973 to 1988, Ed came to some very dis*turb*ing conclusions:
” . . . Was [Dr. Ber*nice] Eddy’s pre*dic*tion of a can*cer epi*demic accu*rate? Did the epi*demic ever hap*pen? If it did, wouldn’t it show up in the can*cer sta*tis*tics? . . . A real epi*demic should be easy to spot due to its size. So I dug out the can*cer sta*tis*tics pub*lished by the National Can*cer Insti*tute in 1989 and started related lit*er*a*ture. Two things became clear: 1. We were los*ing the War on Can*cer, and 2. We were in the midst of an ongo*ing can*cer epidemic. . .”

Ibid.; pp. 210–211.
13. One of the most intrigu*ing aspects of the book is Ed’s search for the lin*ear par*ti*cle accel*er*a*tor used to mutate the viruses. It was located at the U.S. Pub*lic Health Ser*vice Hos*pi*tal in New Orleans. It was a defect in this par*ti*cle accelerator–deliberate sab*o*tage in Ed’s opinion–that killed Dr. Mary Sher*man. The offi*cial story of Dr. Sherman’s mur*der has it that she was mur*dered by a sex*ual preda*tor and her body set afire. As Ed notes, that could not account for the severe burns on the body, that could only have been gen*er*ated by tremen*dous heat. For a more com*plete under*stand*ing of the foren*sic evi*dence in Dr. Sherman’s mur*der and the story of Ed’s hunt for the loca*tion of the lin*ear par*ti*cle accel*er*a*tor, read the book!
” . . . If Mary Sher*man was killed by a lin*ear par*ti*cle accel*er*a*tor, then the cen*tral ques*tion was clear: Where was the lin*ear par*ti*cle accel*er*a*tor located? and then a series of related ques*tions: Upon whose prop*erty did Mary Sher*man die? Whose rep*u*ta*tion was her masquerade-murder intended to pro*tect? Upon whose author*ity was the inves*ti*ga*tion into her mur*der shut down? I thought about these ques*tions each time I looked at the book, and I won*dered if I would ever find the answers. . . .”

Ibid.; p. 245.
14. It appears that some of the viruses mutated in the project were suc*cess*fully tested on a prison inmate “vol*un*teer.” Judyth’s objec*tions to the test led to a break between Ochsner on the one hand and Baker and asso*ciate (and lover) Oswald on the other.
” . . . The Sherman-Ferrie-Vary exper*i*ments suc*cess*fully cre*ated aggres*sive can*cers in mice and (at Judyth’s sug*ges*tion) these new can*cers were tested on mon*keys. They worked, killing the mon*keys quickly. But there was a miss*ing link–they needed to know if their can*cer cock*tail would actu*ally kill a human. It was decided to test their con*coc*tion on a pris*oner from Louisiana’s Angola State Pen*i*ten*tiary who had ‘vol*un*teered’ for the exper*i*ment . They brought him to the Jack*son State Men*tal Hos*pi*tal (near Clin*ton, Lou*siana) where he was injected with their new bio-weapon, and died. . . It was a seri*ous tac*ti*cal error on her part, but Judyth has always been very strong-willed and uncom*pro*mis*ing on cer*tain issues. Dr. Ochsner was equally strong-willed and uncom*pro*mis*ing in his response, before slam*ming the tele*phone down: ‘You and Lee are expendable!’ . . .”

Ibid.; p. 325.
15. Hav*ing orig*i*nally assumed his “pro-Castro/communist” cover in order to deliver the bio*log*i*cal weapon to Cuba in order to kill Cas*tro [accord*ing to Baker], Oswald then attempted to inter*dict an attempt to kill Kennedy in Dal*las. Instead he was killed and framed for the crime. The pro-Castro cover, arranged by Ochsner, INCA et al. pro*vided a per*fect ruse for cov*er*ing up the crime by mak*ing it look as though a com*mu*nist had done it.
” . . . Judyth’s phone con*ver*sa*tions with Lee Oswald con*tin*ued until Wednes*day, Nov. 20, 1963. Dur*ing the final emo*tional phone call, Lee made it clear to Judyth that there would be a real attempt to kill Pres*i*dent Kennedy on Fri*day at one of three loca*tions in Dal*las. Lee told Judyth that he believed a man named David Atlee Phillips was orga*niz*ing it. He told Judyth to remem*ber the name. How*ever he got there, Lee was now inside the assas*si*na*tion plot try*ing to kill Pres*i*dent Kennedy, and con*sid*ered it his duty to stay in posi*tion and under*cover until it was over, telling Judyth, ‘If I stay, there will be one less bul*let fired at Kennedy.’ . . .”

Ibid.; p. 327.

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