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Dawn Meredith
10-09-2010, 03:34 PM
Had John Lennon not been assassinated by Manchurian Candidate Mark David Chapman on 12/8/80 he would celebrate his 70th birthday today.

On 12/9/80, and in the weeks that followed the murder, I wondered if there had been government involvement. I read Fenton Bresler's "Who Killed John Lennon" and came to the conclusion the MDC was indeed a MC. Since then far more information has been unearthed to show that one more peace advocate- John Lennon- died at the hands of the national security state.

I have to really try not to hate what this country has become: fascist amerika. Actually strike that, I do hate it.

May we someday have at least the truth about all the assassinations.

Dawn

RIP Johnny ...I will miss you forever.

Albert Doyle
10-09-2010, 04:33 PM
Thanks Dawn. Knowing Lennon was obviously killed by a CIA Manchurian Candidate it's interesting to see some people associated with Lennon make public statements. It's interesting how the same monster that wacked John makes you conform and obey to how you will treat their murders and how you refer to them in public.

Magda Hassan
10-10-2010, 01:59 AM
Wow. Doesn't time fly? Where did it go? I feel old.
You have to wonder where all these lone assassins are for Brittany Spears and Justin Beaver.

Dawn Meredith
10-10-2010, 01:41 PM
Wow. Doesn't time fly? Where did it go? I feel old.
You have to wonder where all these lone assassins are for Brittany Spears and Justin Beaver.


:) When Brittany and Justin become famous for ending the wars....
just sayin..

I won't hold my breath.

Dawn

Albert Doyle
10-11-2010, 03:17 PM
It makes me cringe seeing people like Yoko make smiley "Happy birthday John" videos knowing Lennon was assassinated by mind-controlling evil spooks. To see those people forced to maintain that casual posture knowing Lennon was killed by some real government monsters only furthers the evil outrage of their offense.

Google: "CIA Killed Lennon" and read the comments in the first article. Alan is a good guy who had the backbone to stand outside the Dakota with a sign saying "CIA KILLED LENNON".

Jan Klimkowski
10-11-2010, 06:24 PM
Wow. Doesn't time fly? Where did it go? I feel old.
You have to wonder where all these lone assassins are for Brittany Spears and Justin Beaver.

:) When Brittany and Justin become famous for ending the wars....
just sayin..


Yup, Manchurian Candidate Mark David Chapman was programmed to go after Lennon, not McCartney.

The deep black shrinks' use of The Catcher in the Rye as, speculatively, the hypnotic trigger text was a resonant touch.

So much so that Salinger's novel is implicated in the failed 1981 assassination attempt on President Reagan by John Hinckley Jr, who stated that The Catcher in the Rye was his favourite book.

The Hinckley family had interesting connections:



“ The family of the man charged with trying to assassinate President Reagan is acquainted with the family of Vice-President George Bush and had made large contributions to his political campaign ... Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley, Jr., was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the Vice-President's sons ... The Houston Post said it was unable to reach Scott Hinckley, vice-president of his father's Denver-based firm, Vanderbilt Energy Corporation, for comment. Neil Bush lives in Denver, where he works for Standard Oil Company of Indiana. In 1978, Neil Bush served as campaign manager for his brother, George W. Bush, the Vice-President's eldest son, who made an unsuccessful bid for Congress. Neil lived in Lubbock, Texas, throughout much of 1978, where John Hinckley lived from 1974 through 1980.[8]

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=q1MQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=h4sDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1462,4604289&hl=en

Albert Doyle
10-17-2010, 05:44 PM
What is really diabolically creepy about using 'Catcher In The Rye' as a hypnotic trigger is the fact it has a justification message cryptically included in the plot. The theme of 'Catcher' is based on a dream where the main character sees himself as a man whose job it is to catch children in a large field of rye who are running towards a cliff they don't see. The job of the main character is to stop the children from running over the cliff by "catching" them. Hence, the "Catcher In The Rye".

The reason this is especially creepy is because the ghoulish Nazi CIA mind programmers who programmed Chapman most likely used this text as a means of sending a direct message on why they killed Lennon. Realize these people are justifying their cowardly Nazi murder of John Lennon by sending this cryptic message along with their deed. In fact, this kind of creepy flourish being added to the method tells you who exactly did it. It was arrogant, Nazi-types in CIA, who are arrogant and ghoulish enough to send a justification notice along with their action. Just like secret agency characters in James Bond, these people think they are diabolically clever by stylizing their murder this way. In other words, it was meant to be figured out. The message was sent in the medium they were operating within, that is, subliminal.

That message was, simply, that John Lennon was a pied piper who was sending America's youth running towards a cliff they couldn't see in a field of high growing rye (marijuana). You have to understand the medium these Mengele Nazi CIA creeps were working in. When you take LSD things begin to obtain very illuminated paranoid meaning. The Gottlieb MK-ULTRA group was dabbling in this stuff and was no doubt also affected by it. I have no doubt they dipped-in to the magic potion themselves and were therefore of the mindset to send messages in this particular blood-dripping magical-thinking form. So what I'm telling you here is CIA creeps were working out on the fringes of human sanity under their Mengele-like MK-ULTRA programs and that they probably thought they could do fringe psychological warfare within this psychedelic landscape. I'm telling you, these creeps deliberately "stylized" this 'Catcher' symbolism in order to play with their victim's minds. CIA had literally entered the acid trip and done murder within it. They thought they were being slick.

So, while I praise Mae Brussel for broaching the topic, she, unfortunately, approaches the subject like a parlor granny when you can see from Lennon's murder that CIA was well along into some very bizarre and far-out stuff well beyond what Brussel could even imagine. CIA, and their Mengele mind-control monsters, had sent a death sentence and verdict along with their Manchurian Candidate. And what is even more creepy than this is they used the internal programming logic of the 'Catcher' to make Mark David Chapman believe he was the Catcher and was doing his duty as Catcher by shooting John Lennon. I'm sure the mind-control monsters who thought this up were congratulating themselves on the pure complexity of what they had done and the magical sense it made. Mark David Chapman simply said go to 'Catcher In The Rye' to understand what I have done. Thank you, Mark, I have.


It was a "Double Fantasy" of sorts...

Albert Doyle
10-18-2010, 04:15 PM
It's scary how much sense this makes when you walk it through isn't it? It scares me to think if they could make Chapman a robot who else are they capable of controlling? I hope people understand that the monsters who are doing this benefit by being able to do things that are so bizarre and so evil that those describing them sound crazy. They deliberately work that in to their strategy so fools who scoff at it are prompted to react that way.

Chapman's advice that people simply go to 'Catcher In The Rye' to understand what he had done is a serious clue to mind-control. Why?: Because it shows that Chapman had a sub-conscious understanding of the book that he felt would be automatically understood by those who read it.

Well, why didn't MDC elaborate on what exactly in 'Catcher' served as explanation for what he had done? Answer: Because he couldn't. What convinced MDC that 'Catcher' was a holy book and divine guidance was something that was programmed into him at a sub-conscious level through Nazi, Mengele-like CIA hypnosis. While he 'felt' it to be self-explanatorily evident on a magical level (the same feeling that led him to act on it) he couldn't consciously explain it because it was something his conscious mind wasn't in control of. So MDC simply points people in the direction of what he assumes will enlighten those people the same way it enlightened him. It is monstrously horrible to imagine that Mark David Chapman could be as much a victim as Lennon himself. And that when he goes in front of a parole board to grovel that he was unwell at one time but is now well he is a tragic victim himself. Or that Yoko might actually be aiding those monsters who killed John by denying Chapman any parole.

I have nothing but contempt for the American people because if America was what it says it is the people would take this up in outrage and practice what we describe ourselves as. In America, the sure sign of a real conspiracy theory is people suddenly drop interest in it and stay quiet when it comes time to take responsibility and do uncomfortable/difficult things. The reason is Americans are people who have been trained to satisfy themselves and some other servile authority or agency will take care of things like this for them. In this case, however, like in 3rd world countries or Nazi regimes, those same authorities are the ones who did the deed.

The reason they sent the cryptic message along with their executioner is because they believed they were acting as legal authorities. These people are so arrogant and so elitist that they felt they were serving some greater 'legal' cause and imposing 'justice' on a violator (John Lennon). After all, you can't do something as monstrous as murder John Lennon without some serious self-imposed justification. If you examine the scene involved that justification would come from those who felt opposed by, or threatened by, Lennon. And, naturally, those people would be the legal war powers of the government and society. It's all right there. These people WANTED people to figure out what happened and what the line they were drawing, and would enforce, was. And no one could trace their criminal trail back through the fantastic landscape of intel hypnosis.

Peter Presland
10-18-2010, 05:40 PM
Albert

I go along with pretty much all you have written on this thread, with just one jarring exception. As an American yourself (which admittedly provides some leeway) you say:


I have nothing but contempt for the American people because if America was what it says it is the people would take this up in outrage and practice what we describe ourselves as.
As a UK citizen, I might as easily say the same about 'The British People' . I admit to being tempted at times - and harbouring similar thoughts - but I resist them.

The plain fact is that both the 'American People' and the 'British People' are, by and large 'The sheeple'. The pressures on most of their everyday lives are such as to make it impossible to devine what is really going on in their names because, sure as hell they will NEVER be able to do so from the Western MSM anyway. There is a fundamental need to trust their leaders at a basic level; to believe that their governments have their best interests at heart; the patriotism that is instilled from birth dictates belief that their country may make many cock-ups, but that it means well and is basically a misunderstood leviathan trying to make the world a better place. Absurd propositions all - as you and I well know - but that's the way it is.

Most people are basically good and have no wish harm others, but they are also all-to-ready to blame perceived misfortune on 'others' (based on largely imagined differences judged by skin colour, race, accent - whatever) and to be persuaded that they need protection from powerful wicked external enemies out to get them. They are simply suckers for snake-oil salesmen IOW - the plausible story that panders to their prejudices and keeps their fond illusions intact - so that's exactly what they get from the psychopaths with real power.

I have no idea what the answer is and confess in my dotage that I don't think there is one. Humanity is headed for that cliff with a bunch of arrogant psychopaths at the helm (as ever) and no 'Catcher in the Rye' is likely to stop it IMH and very pessimistic O.

Charles Drago
10-18-2010, 07:47 PM
Wow. Doesn't time fly? Where did it go? I feel old.
You have to wonder where all these lone assassins are for Brittany Spears and Justin Beaver.

Justin Brittany Spears Beaver?

Albert Doyle
11-01-2010, 07:42 PM
Chapman's hypnotizers made one critical mistake. They exposed themselves by using the same line they used against Martin Luther King junior when they spooked him. When MLK was spooked by Hoover and the FBI they did psychological warfare against him by trying to convince him, by means of anonymous letters and phone calls, that he was a hypocrite for having extra-marital affairs. They thought they could use this as a psychological lever against King's christian conscience and either make him commit suicide or force him to back-off.

If you look at Mark David Chapman's statements he often referred to what motivated him to kill Lennon as being the anger he felt over Lennon's alleged hypocrisy for singing about renouncing the material world and then turning around and living a millionaire's life at the Dakota. If you analyze this logic it is in perfect dovetail with the logic used against MLK by FBI. So much so that it is an indication of where that logic originated from.

The reason this motivation made it to the surface and was articulated by Chapman, unlike his unarticulated reference to 'Catcher In The Rye', is because MDC probably believed this on his own. I suspect part of the reason why Chapman was chosen as the Manchurian Candidate was because he was a genuine southern christian with genuine beliefs while in the YMCA (His YMCA having CIA recruitment connections). He probably made the mistake of speaking openly about Lennon's "bigger than Christ" statement and his hypocrisy for leading a rich man's life in front of the wrong people. These CIA-connected recruiters then profiled Chapman and realized they had a perfect Lone Nut candidate who was already of the mind-set necessary to serve as a patsy. He was a person who had already publicly revealed himself as being critical on a moral basis of Lennon. This is something that was just too perfect for their purposes to not use to their advantage. The unconscious kill orders would have a conscious backer and logical escort in the form of Chapman's already spoken-of discontent with Lennon.

The spooks were foolish to think their already-used psy-ops tool against Martin Luther King junior wouldn't show through and be visible for what it was and where it came from. But, like I've written above, these people WANTED people to realize where it came from and who was enforcing their political rule with Manchurian Candidate executions.

If you don't believe me then consider Mark David Chapman, a good old southern Christian boy, had a sudden interest in art collecting out of the blue when his strange obsessive "mental illness" showed up in Hawaii. Of the two unexplained revenue expenditures in Hawaii one was world travel costing thousands of dollars, the other was art collection. Mark David Chapman was a security guard on a security guard's income. I believe his sudden interest in art was part of a CIA plan to have Chapman interface with Lennon through art collecting - something Lennon was known to do with Yoko. CIA and FBI study their targets and their interests. I think the art collection plot was one option that was eventually dropped in favor of having a limousine not show-up. The side-walk encounter was something much more explainable and less likely to draw suspicion.

I hope people are smart enough to see these deep bloody footprints leading back to intel...

Albert Doyle
12-04-2010, 05:07 AM
The 30th anniversary is coming up. FOX News did a special on Lennon's assassination giving the official story.



Interesting that the arresting officers were all interviewed. They said Chapman seemed unusually calm and casual for someone who had just shot someone. They also said his first words to them were "I acted alone". Chapman was quoted as saying he beat the battle between good and evil inside him when he quit his first attempt to kill Lennon. All signs of mind programming or hypnosis. The "I acted alone" was pre-emptive establishment of the Lone Nut.


FOX didn't mention anything about suspicions of Manchurian Candidate programming.

Dawn Meredith
12-04-2010, 06:14 PM
The 30th anniversary is coming up. FOX News did a special on Lennon's assassination giving the official story.



Interesting that the arresting officers were all interviewed. They said Chapman seemed unusually calm and casual for someone who had just shot someone. They also said his first words to them were "I acted alone". Chapman was quoted as saying he beat the battle between good and evil inside him when he quit his first attempt to kill Lennon. All signs of mind programming or hypnosis. The "I acted alone" was pre-emptive establishment of the Lone Nut.


FOX didn't mention anything about suspicions of Manchurian Candidate programming.

WOW! Thirty years. Now that makes me feel old. Does time go faster the older you get or does it merely appear this way? I suspect there will be a lot on tv then- all of it lies.

Being a huge Beatles and Lennon supporter I followed the case closely from the start but I believe this may be the first time I have seen that he used those words. "I acted alone". How telling. I wonder what MDC would say today. He does not give interviews or respond to mail.

Several friends of mine are of the opinion that Obama utilized a type of hypnosis to get so many to vote for him.

Dawn

Keith Millea
12-04-2010, 06:49 PM
Several friends of mine are of the opinion that Obama utilized a type of hypnosis to get so many to vote for him.



No,we were just "punked"

Peter Presland
12-04-2010, 07:26 PM
WOW! Thirty years. Now that makes me feel old. Does time go faster the older you get or does it merely appear this way? I suspect there will be a lot on tv then- all of it lies.

Here's my theory on the passage of time thingy FWIW:

For a 15 year old 15 years is a lifetime (to date)

For a 30 year old the previous 15 years is 50% of life to date.
For a 60 year old the same 15 years is a mere 25%. Hence it appears to have passed in half the time.

IOW the older you get the smaller any time increment, as a proportion of life already lived, becomes. The perception therefore is indeed of the passage of time accelerating.

Simple really - appearances can be so deceptive eh?

Ed Jewett
12-05-2010, 04:37 AM
Was John Lennon's murderer Mark Chapman a CIA hitman? Thirty years on, there's an extraordinary new theory



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Last updated at 1:36 AM on 4th December 2010


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For many baby-boomers whose formative years coincided with the Swinging Sixties, a mild Monday in early December 1980 will always be remembered as the day the music died.
In New York, the enigmatic, charismatic - and frankly often loony - ex-Beatle John Lennon staggered into the entrance hall of the Dakota, the exclusive parkside mansion block that had been his home for nearly eight years.
The cassettes of a new song the 40-year-old had just recorded, called Walking On Thin Ice, clattered to the floor as he collapsed - blood flowing from four gunshot wounds.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/03/article-1335479-00E7618200000190-271_468x357.jpg Autograph hunter Mark Chapman gets a signature from John Lennon outside his elegant Dakota apartment building in New York where hours later he gunned down the former Beatle



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/03/article-1335479-0C56E279000005DC-89_468x324.jpg Lethal: Mark Chapman as played by Jonas Ball in The Killing of John Lennon

Lennon had been heading home late from work and was hoping to catch his five-year-old son, Sean, before he went to bed.

He and Yoko Ono, his wife and musical collaborator, had been dropped by their white limousine on the pavement outside the building rather than driving through the gates and into the building’s secure courtyard.

Yoko hurried on ahead, nodding blankly at a stranger in the shadows — there were always fans and hangers-on lurking outside the Dakota for a glimpse of their hero.

Her husband trudged behind and had taken three or four strides when a voice called out: ‘Mr Lennon?’

The star slowed and then turned to look. Instantly, he registered that he’d seen this man a few times lately — and, earlier that day, had even autographed an LP cover for him.

But now the stranger had a different purpose. He was down on one knee in a combat stance, a .38 revolver clasped in his hands.

Five shots rang out and four dum-dum bullets, specially adapted to cause maximum physical damage, slammed into Lennon’s back, side and shoulder.

The musician got as far as the lobby before blurting out: ‘I’m shot! I’m shot!’ He was dead on arrival at hospital a quarter of an hour later.

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Then and now: John Lennon's killer Mark Chapman told police: 'I acted alone. Lennon had to die'


Meanwhile, the killer, pudgy 25-year-old Mark Chapman, stood quietly at the scene. On the ground lay the smoking gun he had let fall from his hands, beside Lennon’s blood-stained glasses.

Leaning nonchalantly against the wall of the Dakota, Chapman then began flicking through a copy of Catcher In The Rye, J.D. Salinger’s famous novel of adolescent alienation, whose central character was apparently the inspiration for what he had just done.

When the cops arrived, he made no attempt to escape. As his hands were cuffed and he was bundled into a squad car, he explained: ‘I acted alone.’ At precinct headquarters, he told detectives: ‘Lennon had to die.’

To a world shocked by Lennon’s violent and seemingly pointless death, it became clear that Chapman was a delusional nerd. He took drugs and was psychologically disturbed.

Bullied at school, he sought refuge in an imaginary world where he exercised power over other people.

A rootless adult who never settled into a proper job, he found solace for his empty life in the music of The Beatles. A loner himself, he identified with the reclusive side of Lennon’s insecure, mixed-up personality.

But revelations of Lennon’s vast wealth and burgeoning business empire turned Chapman’s hero-worship on its head.

He felt betrayed, personally insulted. He stalked and shot his erstwhile hero out of a weird sense of retribution — coupled with a desire to be famous for something.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/03/article-1335479-0C56ED60000005DC-867_468x432.jpg John and Yoko: She has always fought the release of her husband's killer

So the story went. But, with the 30th anniversary of Lennon’s death next week, a theory has resurfaced that challenges this long-held conventional view.

Though seemingly far-fetched, if true it would startle and appal the millions of fans who still idolise Lennon.

In a new book, author Phil Strongman claims that Chapman was a stooge. Lennon’s real assassin was the CIA — at the behest of Right-wing fanatics in the American political establishment.

He gets to this controversial conclusion by contesting many of the so-called ‘facts’ about the case — including the basic assumption that Chapman was a Beatles and Lennon fan.

Strongman writes that, until the weekend before the killing: ‘Chapman, the supposed Lennon “obsessive” and “fan of fans”, did not own one Lennon single, book or album. Not one. Some “fan”, some “obsession”.’

He dismisses the often-made claim that Chapman had 14 hours of tapes of Lennon’s songs in his rucksack on the day of the shooting. ‘They have never been photographed or produced for the simple reason that they do not exist.’

So Chapman wasn’t just a celebrity stalker who went too far. Nor, says Strongman, did he kill Lennon for 15 minutes of fame.

‘If he was an attention-seeker, then why did he turn down the chance of what would have been the trial of the century? By pleading guilty, Chapman missed all of this attention he was supposedly seeking. Why?’

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/03/article-1335479-0C30EE61000005DC-456_468x425.jpg Lennon released this picture of his autographed Double Fantasy album cover hours before he was shot dead by Mark Chapman

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/03/article-1335479-0C30EE61000005DC-191_233x193.jpg Lennon's autograph on the Double Fantasy album

It is the killer’s calmness after the shooting that Strongman sees as the key to what really happened, providing evidence for his theory that Lennon’s death was a state-sponsored conspiracy.

If Chapman looked like a zombie, as he hung around after the killing and waited for the police, it was because that was exactly what he was.

Chapman, he suggests, had been recruited by the CIA and trained by them during his travels round the world, when he mysteriously pitched up in unlikely places for a boy from Georgia.

How strange, for example, that Chapman should visit Beirut at a time when the Lebanese capital was a hive of CIA activity — and was said to be home to one of the agency’s top-secret assassination training camps. Another camp
was supposedly in Hawaii, where Chapman lived for a number of years.

And who funded the penniless young man’s round-the-world trip in 1975, which took in Japan, the UK, India, Nepal, Korea, Vietnam and China?
Money never seemed to be a problem for Chapman, but no one has ever explained where it came from. The distinct possibility remains, in Strongman’s opinion, that the secret service was his paymaster.

And somewhere along the line his mind was infiltrated. With Chapman, the CIA could have drawn on its long experience of using mind-controlling drugs and techniques such as hypnosis to produce assassins who would eliminate trouble-makers, and ‘patsies’, the fall guys on whom such killings could be blamed.

Strongman claims: ‘Catcher In The Rye was part of Chapman’s hypnotic programming, a trigger that could be “fired” at him by a few simple keywords [via] a
cassette tape message, telex or telegram or even a mere telephone call.
’It’s certainly true that conspiracy theorists have long suspected both the Americans and their communist foes of using such techniques to activate ‘sleeper’ assassins — as fictionalised in the film The Manchurian Candidate.

The author is uncertain whether Chapman fell into the category of unwitting killer or unwitting accomplice.
But his deep suspicion is that Chapman did not act alone — any more, he says, than Lee Harvey Oswald did in the murder of JFK in Dallas or Sirhan Sirhan in Bobby Kennedy’s death. He even doubts if Chapman fired the fatal shots.

‘The bullets slapped into Lennon’s body so closely together that pathologists later had trouble marking out the different entry points. If all of these shots came from Chapman, it was a miraculous piece of shooting.
'Put simply, the authorities' investigation, or lack of it, into the assassination was shockingly slack and beggars belief.'



‘In fact, if any of them came from him it was miraculous because Chapman was standing on Lennon’s right and, as the autopsy report and death certificate later made clear, all Lennon’s wounds were in the left side of his body.’

There had to be another shooter involved, Strongman insists. He suggests that a CIA plant who worked at the Dakota building was the real killer.

What increases his suspicion is the cursory nature of the police investigation after Chapman’s arrest.

‘His bizarre post-killing calm was not questioned, his behaviour was not checked with a drugs test, his “programmed” state [a word used about him by more than one police officer] was not investigated, his previous movements were not thoroughly looked into.

‘Put simply, the authorities’ investigation, or lack or it, into the assassination was shockingly slack and beggars belief.’
It had to be, he concludes, that the FBI were conspiring with the CIA to cover up the reality — that shadowy figures in the American establishment ordered Lennon’s assassination.
But why was Lennon on their hit list? He had, it seems, rattled the cages of America’s powerful Right wing, first with his opposition to the Vietnam War and then with his campaign of pacifism.

It is here that those of us who lived through the period must pause for breath. Lennon was a mad and maddening genius, a showman and a show-off. But he was a dreamer, not a doer.
He wrote songs, he played the guitar, he had some funny ideas. He made us laugh. He was irreverent.

But he wasn’t about to bring down capitalism. He was doing much too well out of it himself for that. Grumbling to an aide one day about soaring business expenses, he was reminded: ‘Imagine no possessions, John.’ Lennon shot back: ‘It’s only a bloody song!’

Still, the fact that some of the files relating to secret service investigations into Lennon’s activities remain closed continue to fuel suspicions of a cover-up.

Strongman writes: ‘I am as convinced as any human being can be that elements of both the FBI and CIA were undoubtedly behind a cover-up in December 1980. They were also deeply involved in the killing itself.’
'I felt that by killing him I would become somebody and, instead of that, I became a murderer and murderers are not somebodies.'


Meanwhile, Chapman — crazy stalker or robot assassin — lives on. Strangely, if Strongman’s theory is true, he has managed to survive three decades in one of America’s most violent prisons despite the dangerous information he must still possess.

He remains in Attica, 30 years into his life sentence and well beyond the 20-year minimum decreed by the judge who sentenced him.

When asked by a parole board in 2006 to explain why he murdered Lennon, Chapman said: ‘The result would be that I would be famous . . . I would receive a tremendous amount of attention, which I did receive.’

Earlier this year, he told another parole board that back in 1980 he had a long list of potential targets, which included Liz Taylor, chat-show host Johnnie Carson and Paul McCartney.
‘They were famous, that was it,’ he said, and by killing them he would achieve ‘instant notoriety’.

He hit on Lennon, he explained, only because the Dakota was easy to get at. ‘I felt that by killing him I would become somebody and, instead of that, I became a murderer, and murderers are not somebodies. Instead of taking my life I took somebody else’s, which was unfortunate.’

In 2006, his fourth application for release — opposed as it has always been by Yoko Ono — was refused, as it was again in 2008 and once more this year. He is eligible to try again in 2012.

John Lennon — Life, Times And Assassination, by Phil Strongman from The Bluecoat Press at Ł8.99. To order a copy (p&p free), call 0845 155 0720.


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Albert Doyle
12-05-2010, 05:34 AM
I hope he's developed new material over what Bresler already provided.

Albert Doyle
03-12-2011, 12:43 AM
Lennon was about to beat the US Government by gaining citizenship and therefore Constitutional protections. The timing of Lennon's murder showed a need to prevent Lennon from gaining this victory. CIA gave themselves away because if you know anything about CIA it justifies its doings on a legal basis. You might think that the killing of Lennon was an outrage and insanity and could never be justified legally, however if you study CIA you'll find they operate according to a legal framework in what they do. Part of the reason they do what they do is because they have a perverse sense of legal right. When Lennon was shot before he could gain his citizenship he was still technically a foreign threat. If you look at Lennon's FBI file he was labeled a "Trotsky-ite" subversive. So while the public uses the craziness of the suggestion that CIA would kill someone as beloved and harmless as the mop-top Beatle John Lennon as reason to reject the idea, it doesn't understand that CIA is a very sterile organization that operates under a cold notion of national security. The general public isn't informed that John Lennon existed under some very serious intel categories that would make him eligible for executive action in order to eliminate a threat to national security. If you study CIA's decapitation operations overseas they very simply murdered people whom they considered harmful to the objectives of the United States. While John Lennon was in New York and well known and famous, without citizenship he was safely within the known definitions of a foreign threat to the US Government. The timing of Lennon's murder tells you a lot about who did it, as does the method. John Lennon's assassination was simply a CIA decapitation operation - only it was domestic. If you study CIA decapitation assassinations they have the psychological warfare benefit of not only stopping the movement but showing those who follow it what will happen to them. Don't think for a moment those who killed Lennon are worried about you knowing it. They want you to know it. You are looking at the work of a group that justifies its actions by means of "plausible deniability". The modus operandi is clearly that of defending national security with military law. John Lennon was killed because he fell under an available opportunity to define him as a threat and take-advantage of the legality of being able to covertly justify his murder. Like I said above the strategic sterility and procedure usually followed by the group that killed him is showing through like an obvious framework here. These people neutralize threats according to some very cold and evil rules. The covert vector by which Lennon was assassinated is showing through like the dog that ate the chicken off the table.

In effect the best form of plausible deniability is a disturbed Lone Nut with psychotic explanations for their act. The advantage CIA has in doing this is their technical capability keeps them outside normal means of evidence. In effect this pattern is telling you exactly who did it, how, and why. What you are looking at is cold enforcement of military law. The evil that Lennon was fighting saw him as a threat and killed him - just like Kennedy. This invisible power was so drunk on its ability to murder with impunity it then targeted even Reagan himself because they couldn't resist the perfect parlay of putting ex-CIA director George Bush into power. This was an irresistible opportunity for them that would serve their reassertion of power agenda. The fact they got away with Lennon's assassination so easily and without any resistance emboldened them to doing the same with Reagan. When you put this all in correct perspective you then understand the unspeakable evil involved and how necessary it is to shine what they can't stand the most on their evil doings - sunlight. Good clean pure democratic sunlight, like it was designed for.


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Albert Doyle
03-27-2011, 05:09 PM
CNN did an anniversary piece on Hinckley's shooting of Reagan last night. Of course, like their Lennon anniversary piece, they never mentioned anything about mind control hypnosis.

What I got the most from the program was CIA probably studied their Kennedy Assassination and tweaked their Lone Nut process in order to increase the appearance of guilt in their patsies. What I saw in the CNN piece is that CIA looked at the flaws in their framing of Oswald and refined them by making sure Hinckley was seen as definitely being psychotic in his delusional love affair with Jody Foster. Few people who watch the CNN piece are probably aware that they are seeing a very evil and diabolical CIA program in making Hinckley appear as a dangerous Lone Nut. Once Hinckley was induced by mind control to act out on his imaginary love affair with Foster he would successfully create a paper trail to convince the public he was a dangerous psychotic. In my mind this was a process his mind control think tank handlers developed in order to compensate for failures in the Lee Harvey Oswald Lone Nut scenario.

In the case of Chapman, CIA's refinement of their patsy framing technique came in the form of open claims of imaginary meanings in the book 'Catcher In The Rye'. This was yet another creepy spook adjustment of their mind control Manchurian Candidate process after studying their successes and failures in the Kennedy Assassination. Some of the best 'evidence' for these CIA hypnotic assassin programs is looking at how the nuances of each case conform to the overall pattern of such operations. There's no doubt CIA continued using this method because of its functional success in the famous assassinations of the 1960's. When you apply the pattern of progressive development of the technique in the Chapman and Hinckley cases it fits perfectly. They removed the doubts by placing their assassin right up front without any co-conspirators. They also created less doubt of their guilt by enhancing the psychotic nature of their motives. In my opinion you are looking at the progressive development of the technique in this pattern.

Albert Doyle
04-04-2011, 02:59 PM
John Lennon Life, Times & Assassination - Phil Strongman



Strongman attempts something very similar to what James Douglass does in his book 'JFK And The Unspeakable' by intermixing the full background of covert agency history and political influence with Lennon and his life. By doing this Strongman reveals an unseen perspective to Lennon's assassination never before seen in this exact context. The book is effective in showing how corrupted media coverage has failed to inform the public of the greater body of evidence surrounding Lennon's murder and how this inadequate coverage has allowed incriminating evidence to go unseen. Strongman steps back and puts Lennon's assassination into greater context by juxtaposing the evolution of western state security organizations, their politics, and methods with Lennon's own personal and political evolution, showing how the two influence and interact with each other.

The book's strength comes from the fact it deals with the conspiracy to kill Lennon in such a way that defeats the limited view created by state-controlled media sources by going out and documenting the covert doings of those agencies and establishing a precedent for their worst offenses. Strongman makes it impossible to ignore this precedent by discussing the evidence behind several key 1960's assassinations and their undoubtable relationship to those covert agencies. Once the readers are shown there's good reason to believe JFK, Malcolm X, MLK, and RFK were all killed by means of diabolical covert conspiracies it becomes more difficult to see Lennon's death as not being related, especially when all the detailed similarities are explained. This is further enhanced by illuminating the full world of covert agency evolution in tandem with Lennon's life. The effect this achieves is to create a 3 dimensional diorama where the reader can see cross section relevancies between these infamous assassinations not available from conventional sources. What has been effectively hidden by viewing each of these incidences by the sole means of their official stories and media coverage is now seen in a whole new light thanks to Strongman's fleshing-out of their true dimension. And when the previously segregated esoteric clues are assembled in correct context a hauntingly scary pattern of similarity occurs between all these assassinations and the motives for them, including Lennon's. Suddenly the link between all these assassinations becomes clear like a zodiac of constellations appearing in the same black night sky of covert murder.

'John Lennon Life, Times, & Assassination' shows how right-wing powers tried to counter the humanitarian liberalism of FDR. These powers coalesced during the cauldron of WWII into the OSS and later the CIA. The assembly of the people into one giant war power allowed these agencies to finally act on political purposes that were previously restricted by government form. Increasing this power under the dire pretext of the Cold War, CIA had become a separate power practicing political eugenics in the background with rules that allowed them to do so secretly. Advances in mechanized culture had allowed a departmentalization of society where social tasks were left to increasingly separate entities. While the people assumed CIA was acting in their best interests they were bascially left alone and took full advantage. This WWII mentality of all assembled under one military government was extended into the Cold War with CIA being the main, invisible controlling body. Strongman shows how this growing covert power and Lennon were headed on a collision course that eventually resulted in Lennon showing-up on CIA and FBI radar for his anti-war activities. Mixed in with this is a well-constructed case for the evidence of covert involvement in those famous 60's assassinations. When you compare how Lennon existed within this covert profile it becomes impossible to separate his assassination out from the others. Especially when key clues shown in FBI and CIA's own files conform to other incriminating clues that give away their involvement. While doing this Strongman parallels how post-colonial decline was forcing covert agencies into increasingly drastic actions to combat communism that led to seeing peace activists as threats to the state and reacting with assassination. This finally culminates in a deft presentation of all the similar symptoms of mind control hypnosis between Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, and Chapman, as well as other subtle clues. So, in the end, when the full body of evidence is presented, including all these shielded histories and clues, it becomes more than obvious CIA assassinated Lennon, as Strongman concludes.

I have to thank Strongman because he's the only published source I've seen who mentions that Jimi Hendrix's death also strongly conforms to this pattern and that the claim he was murdered by his manager for money might be a limited hang-out for a more sinister covert murder of the type shown in his book.


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Albert Doyle
04-19-2011, 06:45 PM
I just finished Fenton Bresler's book 'Who Killed John Lennon'.


Because Mark David Chapman pled guilty there was never any real investigation into the background, evidence, or motives behind his killing of John Lennon. Fenton Bresler was a British barrister who didn't accept this lack of investigation and took it upon himself to look deeper. 'Who Killed John Lennon' looks at the strange existence of Mark David Chapman in an attempt to detect evidence of covert influence on his mind by shadowy agencies. Bresler faced a hard task not only because of the total lack of investigation into the mind control angle but also because very few of those involved wanted to volunteer any input. Never the less Bresler managed to identify some very incriminating circumstantial and factual evidence to make the possibility Chapman was hypnotically programmed very real.

After studying this case on the internet I presented in public my theory that the allegorical message of Holden Caulfield's dream in 'Catcher In The Rye' was a directly symbolic and motivational cause of the assassination. Upon finally reading 'Who Killed John Lennon' I was stunned to find that Chapman's only statement at his trial was to open 'Catcher' and read the part containing that very passage about the dream sequence. To me that was a resounding confirmation of my theory. It also points strongly toward something very sinister and evil that Bresler tried to prove with his book. Having studied the diabolical doings of covert agencies in regard to mind control assassination the fact Chapman pointed to this psychological clue is not a good sign. Being familiar with the evil pattern those agencies operate within it is very likely that Chapman's declaration of 'Catcher' explaining why he killed Lennon is a proxy statement being delivered by a programmed patsy. The people who commit such evil acts as mind control assassination are highly intelligent personalities who possess the eccentricities and arrogant psychopathic traits that those superior personalities tend to have. These are the kind of people who would add the flourish and 'calling card' finishing touch to their assassination by having the patsy read their death sentence against the executed individual in court by this nefarious means. These people know the gravity of what they did and need to compensate for it by morally and legally justifying it. To them their act of execution of John Lennon is something that was justified by grand terms. It was an execution carried-out by the guardians and overseers of the national security state and by the means and methods they usually practice. What Mark David Chapman was reading to Judge Edwards was a very diabolical national security death sentence delivered by indirect symbolic means.

When you study what Chapman read to the judge it is a dream sequence where the main character, the "catcher", is in a field of high-growing rye with hundreds of children running around free and happy unaware of a precipitous cliff on the edge of the rye they can't see. It is the job of the "catcher" to keep the children who stray towards the cliff from falling over, hence 'The Catcher In The Rye'. I believe what this is is a very cynical and very darkly-delivered message from the people who programmed Mark David Chapman to kill Lennon. Those evil men acted on a national security basis and therefore delivered a formal death sentence in court, in very morally-deviant form, using their programmed patsy. The message was to be delivered that Lennon died because he was leading America's children toward a cliff, and Mark David Chapman was the 'catcher'. You have to understand how people who are capable of mind control hypnosis think. These are people who see themselves in an almost Nazi way of lawless superiority. They are the same kind of people who would hope to send this legally-untraceable message, and hope people would figure it out, for profound impact, and, therefore, untouchable power.

I hope people read this book because Bresler builds-up a good case of additional evidence that points toward Mark David Chapman being unknowingly controlled by others. Others who had serious political assassination motives.

Peter Lemkin
04-19-2011, 07:18 PM
You may well be correct or on the right trail....at this point I'm not [yet] convinced as to whether MDC read his programming script of his own 'volition' (sic!), or that his programmers wanted him to, as you posit....but either way it is as cynical as you say. Sadly, also, either way the programmers knew (and know) few will figure it out...even that you and others have figured and/or pointed it out. Sending 'Jolly' West to visit J. Ruby was rather obvious, but how many know it even happened - let alone its significance? Ditto your points on MDC. Sirhan's not remembering what happened and not being allowed to be deprogrammed further are also obvious..and one could go on and on here.... They don't care. 'They' are basically saying : "Yes, we murdered the most popular President right in the middle of the street, in the middle of the day, in the middle of his security detail, in Middle American - and what are you going to do about it - what can you do about it - NOTHING! :spy:

It is the old story of the Emperor's New Clothes over and over and over and over again [and again....] with all of the covert ops, mind-control ops, bankster ops, etc. The Sheeple are programmed themselves with TV, the 'American Religion of Exceptualism' and blind belief in 'the System', having been purposely dumbed-down, naive of history and the ever repeating patterns in it, propaganda from all media and PR firms, junk-food diets, out of touch with Nature and Natural Philosophy...[I]and I could go on.


If the current financial meltdown doesn't awaken the sleeping/programmed masses, you can kiss America's arss goodbye...and they won't even know what 'hit' them as they perish.... :alberteinstein: 'Tis the sad end of an even sadder Empire, and failed experiment IMHO. Better luck next time...if there is a next time.

Albert Doyle
04-20-2011, 04:00 AM
You may well be correct or on the right trail....at this point I'm not [yet] convinced as to whether MDC read his programming script of his own 'volition' (sic!), or that his programmers wanted him to, as you posit....but either way it is as cynical as you say.


You don't know how glad I am you wrote that because it is perfectly in line with what we know. My first thoughts were Bresler makes a strong case but it is still possible Chapman "programmed" himself in a way that was identically similar to covert mind control. It is possible Chapman had a borderline personality prone to schizophrenic tendencies and the extreme traumatic experience of boyhood drug use and LSD exacerbated this into a disturbed condition. Let's just say that such personalities are doing to themselves exactly what the MK-ULTRA controllers were doing to their subjects. You could make a very good argument that Mark Chapman created this huge psychological rift between high school drug use and born again christianity, which were at such opposite extremes that they created a mental schism that caused Chapman to become unstable. The reason the MK-ULTRA group used LSD was because it had such bizarre effects of the mind. A person who has his psyche influenced by this pseudo-schizophrenic aspect of LSD could enter a bizarre world where things take on the extreme illumination and magically-interpreted meanings of the schizophrenic state. In light of this it is very possible Chapman had managed to MK-ULTRA program himself and had tuned himself to irrational wavelengths of schizophrenic notions imparted to him by this LSD altered state where things take on magical or even divinely-inspired meaning.

The reason I'm overjoyed at what you wrote is because it shows you understand the most important subtle clues about this difficult mental phenomenon. You impressed me because you wrote exactly what I was going to write in my next reply. That is that the larger political influences surrounding both Chapman and Lennon were intense enough on their own to have pushed Chapman towards this resolve based only on the general unavoidable direction those forces ultimately moved in. It is possible Chapman shot Lennon because of the unique psychological confluence of Chapman's LSD-disturbed mind in coordination with his grandiose religious inclinations. What Mark Chapman might not be able to admit directly is he shot John Lennon as a christian act in order to punish that which he felt violated his christianity and caused him to seek refuge in it after his sinful drug life. The christianity supercharged his sense of self and life mission while the LSD mental disturbance gave it a particular illumination that was seen as divine and therefore not resistible. If this is the case then Chapman didn't kill Lennon for fame, nor did he kill him to become him, he killed him because it was a divine mission to carry out the objective of christian religion as he understood it and as it was communicated to him in a special magical way that appeared to his LSD-compromised mind as divine influence. A mind that has been stressed by life and motivated by the high passions of religion can be extremely vulnerable to acting on irrational impulse justified by internalized higher designs. Add LSD to this and you are through the looking glass as far as mental cogency. At this point, as you say, the overt 'cynicism' of the general process is enough to move the individual in the same way any controllers would have and is therefore impossible to separate. Mark David Chapman would therefore be a personality who happened to define his grandiosity by means of the very same political forces that both John Lennon and his enemies defined themselves by. This wasn't as much coincidence as it was an affirmation that those political forces were so sharply defined and polarized that a person of Chapman's mental condition would automatically fall into them. If Mark Chapman wasn't programmed by CIA spooks then he was programmed by the strong political backdrop that those CIA politics came from like the YMCA, political christianity, and his interaction with CIA Viet Nam refugees, and southern police officers. So you are keenly on the bead here because at that point it really doesn't make any difference, the influence was exactly the same and CIA would have been given a freebie at that point by an automatically self-MK-ULTRA programmed proxy assassin. Chapman never would have killed Lennon for christian purposes alone, but he would have killed him for the divine mission those christian influences created in his LSD-disturbed mind when those stresses pushed it to the breaking point which resulted in driving Chapman into this magical Catcher In The Rye fantasy land. It was in that fantasy land that the magical interpretations now made sense and connected to christian justifications. If it did happen this way then Lennon's enemies just lucked out that coincidental forces drove Chapman exactly the same way their mind programming would have with the same results.

However I don't think it happened that way. If you look at Chapman's history he ended up in the YMCA. Some CIA agents who quit the agency and admitted some of their practices said CIA used YMCA as cover and a recruiting source. Like Lee Harvey Oswald Chapman's first move after joining the YMCA was to try to get a camp counselor job with the YMCA in Russia. Not getting this he then ended up in Beirut but was forced out by the escalation of the civil war there. Russia and Beirut were not christian destinations as much as they were CIA ones. From Beirut Chapman ended up becoming a helper for fleeing Viet Namese refugees at Fort Chaffee Arkansas. Those refugees were of course persons who had strong CIA contact. This was a highly CIA-type of activity moving in circles directly-connected to CIA interests. Bresler notes that when Chapman finished this job he was picked-up by his Georgia Sheriff's trooper friend Dana Reeves, the same man who gave him the hollow point bullets that killed Lennon.

Before Chapman married he took an expensive around the world trip on a loan from his credit union. Chapman was a low-income worker without any collateral. These people are usually not given loans for expensive whims. Bresler speculates that Chapman's covert controllers made sure he got that loan as reward for whatever program he was involved with.


Bresler found some serious evidence. He spoke to the Honolulu police captain who investigated Chapman and found the ticket he purchased was from Honolulu to Chicago and return. You might say that Chapman wanted to conceal his intention so he only bought a ticket to Chicago and then bought another onward ticket to New York, however there's a few problems with that. His baggage claim ticket found amongst his belongings said Honolulu-Chicago-New York. You might say 'so what?', however if Chapman only bought a ticket to Chicago his baggage claim would have only said Honolulu-Chicago. There's no way they would print an onward destination on the claim ticket without the passenger having a flying ticket for that destination. So you might say Chapman bought the onward portion before getting on in Hawaii, however that can't be true because if Chapman had done that they would have re-issued a ticket with all those destinations listed on its face. The ticket they found in Chapman's New York hotel room was only for Honolulu to Chicago and return. There was no Chicago LaGuardia portion, nor any return ticket for that segment either. And they wouldn't have listed any Honolulu point of origin on any ticket Chapman bought in Chicago since it was a new and separate flight. The baggage claim ticket was issued in Hawaii. Bresler says this is evidence of CIA's manipulation of Chapman's ticket.

But that's not all. Bresler asked Honolulu's Captain Souza to confirm the departure date. Souza said his original investigation discovered Chapman departed from Hawaii on December 2nd. Souza had even gone to the United Airlines ticket counter and confirmed Chapman had traveled on the 2nd. Bresler contacted the New York detectives who investigated the case and found that the ticket they possessed indicated a December 5th departure - the same day Chapman arrived in New York. Bresler was stymied until he found a Honolulu Observer article from the 10th of December 1980 where Gloria Abe was quoted as saying Mark left 8-10 days ago. 8 days before the 10th was the 2nd. It doesn't seem likely Ms Abe would have mistaken the friday 5 days previous, as being 10 days previous. But, in any case, Souza already confirmed with United that Chapman had traveled on the 2nd. By the time Bresler discovered this United said it had routinely destroyed those records. Bresler was sure CIA forged the ticket in the possession of the New York police. The New York District Attorney had also compiled a transportation record in the case, however when Bresler asked for it to confirm the departure date they said it was missing.

There's much more, however there is enough here alone to show a familiar pattern those of us who have studied the JFK and RFK assassinations recognize. It is very likely Mark David Chapman was the perfect patsy because his background and personal inclinations were so in dovetail with CIA's purposes that it was impossible to distinguish between the two. Chapman's personal make-up and life direction was so perfectly coordinated with the forces that naturally stood in opposition to Lennon that it would have taken very little tweaking to manipulate him to kill Lennon. He's such a perfectly camouflaged patsy that it is really almost impossible to separate out any CIA hypnotic mind control from his influences and actions. His professed mental illness was so profoundly constructed that it would be very easy to hide any mind control within it.





'They' are basically saying [in this example Dallas]: "Yes, we murdered the most popular President right in the middle of the street, in the middle of the day, in the middle of his security detail, in Middle American - and what are you going to do about it - what can you do about it - NOTHING! :spy:


Agreed, and those are the people who would have no fear doing evil perfection of the process by developing the ability to control somebody's fantasy land externally in order to make them appear undeniably crazy. These people are so diabolical and so evil that they pursued the process by figuring out how to extend their influence all the way into the psychotic dimensions of the fantasy lands they created in their victims heads in order to choreograph all aspects of the set-up including those inside the hypnotically-created fantasy.




If the current financial meltdown doesn't awaken the sleeping/programmed masses, you can kiss America's arss goodbye...and they won't even know what 'hit' them as they perish.... :alberteinstein: 'Tis the sad end of an even sadder Empire, and failed experiment IMHO. Better luck next time...if there is a next time.


That's the whole idea in the first place, to create a new world order that isn't necessarily controlled from America. The ultimate international corporate state owing to no one but themselves...

Jan Klimkowski
04-22-2011, 09:36 PM
You don't know how glad I am you wrote that because it is perfectly in line with what we know. My first thoughts were Bresler makes a strong case but it is still possible Chapman "programmed" himself in a way that was identically similar to covert mind control. It is possible Chapman had a borderline personality prone to schizophrenic tendencies and the extreme traumatic experience of boyhood drug use and LSD exacerbated this into a disturbed condition. Let's just say that such personalities are doing to themselves exactly what the MK-ULTRA controllers were doing to their subjects. You could make a very good argument that Mark Chapman created this huge psychological rift between high school drug use and born again christianity, which were at such opposite extremes that they created a mental schism that caused Chapman to become unstable. The reason the MK-ULTRA group used LSD was because it had such bizarre effects of the mind. A person who has his psyche influenced by this pseudo-schizophrenic aspect of LSD could enter a bizarre world where things take on the extreme illumination and magically-interpreted meanings of the schizophrenic state. In light of this it is very possible Chapman had managed to MK-ULTRA program himself and had tuned himself to irrational wavelengths of schizophrenic notions imparted to him by this LSD altered state where things take on magical or even divinely-inspired meaning.



Albert - I agree with you that LSD creates a mental state in which epiphanies are possible. Some of these epiphanies are inevitably faux, but do not appear false to the person who has experienced the "deep insight". So, yes, LSD can create a state of inspired, or religiously inspired, conviction in the rightness of one's course.

However, I'm not sure what you mean by a person "MK-ULTRA programming himself". Fundamentally, the mind control programmes such as MK-ULTRA are framed around a controller attempting to shape, frame and control the behaviour of his subject. It takes two...

I agree with you that Bresler's book, which I last read many years ago, has some interesting evidence. Chapman's presence in Hawaii is provocative. There's circumstantial evidence that there's an "MK-ULTRA" hospital wing in Hawaii, and that the Revd Jim Jones was sent there to have his programming renewed at the time his doppelganger was running round Cuba causing trouble.....

Peter Lemkin
04-23-2011, 06:47 AM
I have to agree with Jan here.....there was no real or pseudo self-programming. It was a program - done by evil people to create mind-controlled assassins. While the techniques seem to have changed a little over the years, the basics were the same [discussed elsewhere in this Forum...so for now not going to repeat in detail], which included hypnosis, drugs, regression and making the programmer[s] or some surrogate the new 'parental' figure, inundation of the sensorium to set up a new personality or multiple personalities, and some endlessly repeated story, poem, writing, repeated message, etc. that acts as the trigger to the killer mode or personality - and to act out a programmed script. [In these cases, assassinations]. These repetitious thoughts/sayings/writings/ideas are still there after the act [even if some programmed extinguishing-after-the-act script was applied], which may explain why MDC, for example, went on at his trial about the Catcher in the Rye....as in his messed-up mind the book [or part of the story in it] were connected to the subject matter of the trial.....so A could trigger B; and B-stimuli could also at times trigger A-mumblings/writings/etc.. I doubt if he had any more cognition/memory of the programming or his actions - and more importantly reason for his actions than did Sirhan Sirhan or any of the other mind-control assassins. Even if this was not the ideal outcome for the programmers, they had nothing to fear. If it was the exact outcome they wanted, they still had nothing to fear....either way they were home-free having committed another assassination and making it look like the act of a lone deranged/disturbed person - when it was REALLY an organized group of deranged/disturbed Deep Political fascist assassin-programming creeps!

They are still out there and still creating mind-control assassins and other mind-controlled operatives for various missions. How nice!

John Judge has done some good research on this phenomenon, generally, and on the Hawaii connection specifically. I believe he also found some within the 'humanitarian aid group' World Vision connected to many of the more famous mind-controlled assassins and their apparent programming. They certainly are not the only such group used as a 'cut-out' or cover for such.

Keith Millea
04-23-2011, 02:20 PM
Albert - I agree with you that LSD creates a mental state in which epiphanies are possible. Some of these epiphanies are inevitably faux, but do not appear false to the person who has experienced.

Yes,and this is why there are now (a few thousand people?),walking around thinking that they are really Jesus Christ. :rofl:

Jan Klimkowski
04-23-2011, 03:22 PM
Albert - I agree with you that LSD creates a mental state in which epiphanies are possible. Some of these epiphanies are inevitably faux, but do not appear false to the person who has experienced the "deep insight".

Yes,and this is why there are now (a few thousand people?),walking around thinking that they are really Jesus Christ. :rofl:

Keith - :dancingman:

LSD was a tool used by "MK-ULTRA" shrinks in their attempts to create Manchurian Candidates and other states of control over human subjects.

LSD was also released into the wider population in a completely uncontrolled fashion. As discussed elsewhere on DPF, eg in Walter Bowart's interview with Timothy Leary, this may been a deliberate play - perhaps to create Mass Khaos.

There are also important questions over whether "street acid" was always LSD. Eg what was the true nature of the sacramental "acid" Manson received from his connection and dispensed to his disciples?

So, with Chapman, the core question is whether he was a "recreational" LSD user who went a bit nuts - which is not too far from the official story - or whether he was programmed by controller(s)?

Sirhan Sirhan, who was almost certainly programmed - perhaps using a Rosicrucian group as cutout - appears to have numerous false memory screens and blocks implanted, and environmental triggers to repogramme himself routinely. Hence, cell visits from deep black shrink Jolly West.

Albert Doyle
04-23-2011, 05:15 PM
However, I'm not sure what you mean by a person "MK-ULTRA programming himself".



Well the context is I'm trying to describe the only way Chapman's actions could be innocently explained outside of CIA mind control. I personally think there's enough evidence to show CIA involvement. We all know how they work with the RFK assassination being a good example. What the average American idiot doesn't understand is that once you determine Bobby Kennedy was killed this way the chances Lennon was also killed this way become almost certain.


However what I'm trying to say is, technically, Chapman could have achieved the same mind-cracking result through LSD on his own. Once his mind was broken by LSD he had the particular peculiarity of being surrounded by christian/CIA authorities that would have induced this external control on their own just by penetrating Chapman's vulnerable psyche at a time when his mind was undergoing LSD-induced dementia. Just when Chapman was entertaining this magical Catcher In The Rye world he coincidentally had these YMCA, church group, and CIA at Fort Chaffee influences pouring in.

When younger people take-up the 60's grass and LSD lifestyle induced by rock 'n roll culture they take it seriously like a religion or cultural movement. They are vulnerable because they are at their formative stages psychologically. The epiphanies caused by LSD in those rock 'n roll adults caused a very cathartic idealistic state in those people that got voiced through their music and politics. This idealism is something young minds instantly identified with against the fucked-up world they were being prepared to be passed down. So people like Chapman, once realizing they had been dumped by the drug culture into a sordid existence, reached out to another idealistic institution in the form of organized religion. However Chapman still carried the LSD virus inside him. So being privy to this magical world Chapman internalized this true seeker status still carrying it on and seeing himself as a keeper of the faith. He would be able to see himself as practicing a purer form by cleansing it in christian religion while still holding that Catcher world inside. It's very complex but Chapman kept the inner 'Catcher' world sacred as what he knew as a child and trusted. This is where the "command hallucination" cited by psychiatrist Dorothy Lewis occurred. This inner world was surrounded by a normal christian institution shell that focused everything in towards this inner nuclear core and put the pressure on what maintained the illusion. Chapman was influenced by YMCA, church, police authorities, and christian politics, but when they were focused on this LSD-demented inner core they became an ever increasing psychotic monster growing inside Chapman. Chapman was a true servant of the original rock 'n roll faith but guiding it purely with unquestionable christian religion. Trusting the inner most faith inside him he saw this magic he was able to interpret as being a genuine form that others like Lennon had failed. This was, of course, magically illuminated to him by a special understanding of the real meaning of the words in 'Catcher In The Rye'. God had shown himself to him in the form of a special understanding of Catcher. Something known in the sober and sane world of psychiatry as a "command hallucination".

So the only way Chapman could have done this on his own would be if he possessed a particular borderline personality personal make-up where he was seriously mentally injured early-on with his high school drug use and then perpetuated that inside as he pressure cooked it with christian and personal development stress. His Catcher In The Rye inner world was a valuable life-long personal investment and commitment and embodiment of what was most valuable to him from his youth. It was sacred to him personally and magically validated by God-given personal miraculous understanding of divine messages sent to him in Catcher In The Rye. He had to serve it and act upon it because it was God. John Lennon failed it but Mark Chapman hadn't and Lennon therefore had to suffer biblical consequences for his failure. Chapman now embodied everything he imagined Lennon had stood for and by killing him would now take-over the cause.

This would be the only way that Mark Chapman could have MK-ULTRA programmed himself. His LSD-heightened sensibility would have made him more vulnerable to his surroundings and those surroundings just so happened to be southern christian, CIA, YMCA, police politics. So, in other words, in his psychologically-compromised condition, his surroundings would have taken the place of the CIA mind controllers in influencing his mind. This LSD-induced almost consciously hypnotic state would have been abnormally receptive to those external influences and fed them in to the inner core in a way that is normally prevented by psychological shields. This state is no different than temporary schizophrenia however it is much more dangerous because it is guided by valid real world motivations that would guide schizophrenic notions into real actions. The cultural/religious guiding tracks were all there in place and able to justify Chapman acting-out these insane fantasies.


Now that this is gotten over with, I'd like to say that Fenton Bresler showed serious evidence that this psychological phenomenon was manipulated by some very evil people. What I'd like to say is CIA is not staffed with idiots and if I can figure out this stuff so can they and they'd be the first people to manipulate it. As a matter of fact I'm almost 100% sure they did in the case of Mark David Chapman.

Jan Klimkowski
04-23-2011, 05:39 PM
Albert - the terminology matters.

With respect, in my judgement the phrase "MK-ULTRA programmed himself" mixes oranges and apples in a deeply unhelpful way.

If your argument is that a young person with a pre-existing borderline psychiatric condition could develop a full blown psychosis through exposure to LSD whilst surrounded by extreme religious types who considered rock and roll stars such as John Lennon more Antichrist than Guru, then I'm part of the way with you.

However, describing this as "MK-ULTRA self programming" does not aid our understanding of this process. The common cultural phrase for such a person is Acid Casualty.

With hallucinogens, set and setting is fundamentally important.

A Siberian adolescent entering the spirit world with a knowedgeable shaman from their own tribe, and a cauldron bubbling with Siberia's native hallucinogens, undertakes their journey in a constructive set and setting.

A fragile American teenager bussed to a military laboratory to be prodded by a spooky shrink who has no intuitive understanding of Acidland, but is trained to use electrodes and demand a response to Pain Trauma Death movies whilst the subject is trapped in a box, undertakes a journey in a destructive set and setting.

Most scientific discoveries can be used for Good or Evil.

The Good Rocket to travel to the Stars, the Bad Rocket for the World's Destruction.

Tragically, very early on, hallucinogens were co-opted and manufactured by the Man whose intention - not always successful - was to exploit their Evil potential.

LSD may have been one of the tools used to open up and programme Mark David Chapman.

Albert Doyle
04-24-2011, 03:13 PM
Albert - the terminology matters.

With respect, in my judgement the phrase "MK-ULTRA programmed himself" mixes oranges and apples in a deeply unhelpful way.


I don't see what the big deal is. The example was obviously figurative. Besides, in the MK-ULTRA LSD world apples can very easily morph into oranges. It's a very indeterminate place.



If your argument is that a young person with a pre-existing borderline psychiatric condition could develop a full blown psychosis through exposure to LSD whilst surrounded by extreme religious types who considered rock and roll stars such as John Lennon more Antichrist than Guru, then I'm part of the way with you.


The main point being the point Chapman's mind had reached was similar to that induced by the MK Mengele's.



However, describing this as "MK-ULTRA self programming" does not aid our understanding of this process. The common cultural phrase for such a person is Acid Casualty.


Would not an MK-ULTRA victim also be an "acid casualty" of sorts?


This is splitting hairs. The real business here is evidence Bresler found of typical CIA involvement in Chapman's being set-up as a Sirhan-like lunatic. What I find most telling about it is no one ever challenged Bresler's evidence.

Peter Lemkin
04-24-2011, 03:30 PM
Albert - the terminology matters.

With respect, in my judgement the phrase "MK-ULTRA programmed himself" mixes oranges and apples in a deeply unhelpful way.


I don't see what the big deal is. The example was obviously figurative. Besides, in the MK-ULTRA LSD world apples can very easily morph into oranges. It's a very indeterminate place.



If your argument is that a young person with a pre-existing borderline psychiatric condition could develop a full blown psychosis through exposure to LSD whilst surrounded by extreme religious types who considered rock and roll stars such as John Lennon more Antichrist than Guru, then I'm part of the way with you.


The main point being the point Chapman's mind had reached was similar to that induced by the MK Mengele's.



However, describing this as "MK-ULTRA self programming" does not aid our understanding of this process. The common cultural phrase for such a person is Acid Casualty.


Would not an MK-ULTRA victim also be an "acid casualty" of sorts?


This is splitting hairs. The real business here is evidence Bresler found of typical CIA involvement in Chapman's being set-up as a Sirhan-like lunatic. What I find most telling about it is no one ever challenged Bresler's evidence.

LSD, while you may feel is the most 'potent' of MK-ULTRA drugs was not...it was, in massive doses in the mid-range. There were stronger and there were more 'effective' in programming. Most importantly, it was a 'mix' of several drugs plus suggestion plus hypnosis, plus regression, plus sensory deprivation, plus re-programming the personality. [I'm not going to go into the details here where are on the Internet, in books, and even on this Forum].

Saying that under LSD-25 apples can turn into oranges is playing with words, but NOT with concepts.

MK Mengele?!.....what was meant by this. Mengele was pre - MK-ULTRA by a long shot. He was, in some ways great-grandfather to the ethic that became mind-control, but he himself was only inundated to Nazi propaganda, not to drugs and mind-control as we now know it....although he may have dabbled in this on a few of his twins...don't mix things in time or fact, please.

Albert Doyle
04-25-2011, 04:22 PM
LSD, while you may feel is the most 'potent' of MK-ULTRA drugs was not...it was, in massive doses in the mid-range. There were stronger and there were more 'effective' in programming. Most importantly, it was a 'mix' of several drugs plus suggestion plus hypnosis, plus regression, plus sensory deprivation, plus re-programming the personality. [I'm not going to go into the details here where are on the Internet, in books, and even on this Forum].


So what does that have to do with my point? I feel a unnecessary forcing of focus on semantics has regressed from the main point here. Point taken, but that doesn't stop Chapman from inducing the same conditions in himself by means of his particular idiosyncrasies.




Saying that under LSD-25 apples can turn into oranges is playing with words, but NOT with concepts.


I don't know what that means or how it applies here? I would turn it right back at you and say playing with forced definitions that MK-ULTRA can only be referred to under very specific terms is what is the playing with concepts here. The MK-ULTRA process can be referred to figuratively, or relatively as I was doing.



[MK Mengele?!.....what was meant by this. Mengele was pre - MK-ULTRA by a long shot. He was, in some ways great-grandfather to the ethic that became mind-control, but he himself was only inundated to Nazi propaganda, not to drugs and mind-control as we now know it....although he may have dabbled in this on a few of his twins...don't mix things in time or fact, please.


The CIA mind control programs are directly related to the level of depravity established and embodied by Mengele, as you yourself admit above. Honestly, I think this is a little ridiculous parsing this to this degree with humorless, pedantic restriction of terms at the expense of the main issue. It's preposterous to suggest that Mengele cannot be referenced unless it is specifically during his time. Killing people by means of evil psychologist-programmed assassins falls very squarely within the political eugenics practiced by Mengele and the Nazis in my opinion.

All said, I feel self-programming wasn't the case here and that Mark David Chapman fits squarely into the clearly-established pattern of covert CIA assassinations. If anyone has an interest in this I covered it in my review of Phil Strongman's book above. Strongman attempts to do what Douglass did with the Kennedy assassination. What he does is step back and look at the bigger picture of the overall pattern of CIA assassinations and the evidence for them. Just like Douglass, Strongman succeeds in showing how perfectly the pattern of covert interest in Lennon and covert interest in other famous assassination victims matches, as well as their cover-ups. CIA, or whatever dark agency was involved, managed to perfect their Lone Nut patsy procedures by making their assassins appear to be undoubtably insane and more independent. They perfected their Oswald process by removing the contact with other operatives and sending their robot assassin in "alone".

The more I study these assassinations the more I realize Perdomo isn't some mystery we have yet to figure out. CIA is very ballsy and arrogant and send their people in right in the middle of it because the government is so wickedly corrupted that they have nothing to fear, as is exampled by the Kennedy assassination.

Jan Klimkowski
04-25-2011, 04:29 PM
Albert - the terminology matters.

With respect, in my judgement the phrase "MK-ULTRA programmed himself" mixes oranges and apples in a deeply unhelpful way.


I don't see what the big deal is. The example was obviously figurative. Besides, in the MK-ULTRA LSD world apples can very easily morph into oranges. It's a very indeterminate place.

Because mind control programming involves, at the very least, a programmer and a subject.

If someone takes drugs and becomes psychotic, that person has not "MK-ULTRA programmed himself". Your statement is highly misleading.



If your argument is that a young person with a pre-existing borderline psychiatric condition could develop a full blown psychosis through exposure to LSD whilst surrounded by extreme religious types who considered rock and roll stars such as John Lennon more Antichrist than Guru, then I'm part of the way with you.


The main point being the point Chapman's mind had reached was similar to that induced by the MK Mengele's.

Albert - the fundamental point is whether Chapman was programmed by another person. Or not. If not, then "MK Mengeles" (whatever that phrase may mean) have nothing to do with it.



However, describing this as "MK-ULTRA self programming" does not aid our understanding of this process. The common cultural phrase for such a person is Acid Casualty.


Would not an MK-ULTRA victim also be an "acid casualty" of sorts?

No.

Syd Barrett was an acid casulty.

Syd Barrett was not, in the absence of new evidence, an MK-ULTRA casualty.



This is splitting hairs. The real business here is evidence Bresler found of typical CIA involvement in Chapman's being set-up as a Sirhan-like lunatic. What I find most telling about it is no one ever challenged Bresler's evidence.

It's absolutely not splitting hairs. Your argument is muddying the waters, rather than making the waters clearer.

Albert Doyle
04-26-2011, 03:42 PM
[Because mind control programming involves, at the very least, a programmer and a subject.

If someone takes drugs and becomes psychotic, that person has not "MK-ULTRA programmed himself". Your statement is highly misleading.



I'm sorry I disagree with this. My reasons were more than clear and already explained. I've already explained that in Chapman's particular case, especially considering his direct surroundings that would have forced the necessary conditioning, technically, he could have done something similar to MK-ULTRA programming on his own. In that case it is valid to use MK-ULTRA programming as an example since it is the main issue we are talking about in this case.

I don't think it is that misleading, especially after it's been explained. Honestly I don't see the draconian need to force the terms so precisely and specifically. Since this has been explained and elaborated, and doesn't really take that much mental effort to understand, why force the issue into this quibbling over semantics? I see this as a debate over semantic interpretation rather than what is being gotten at. If I failed to explain myself clearly I apologize but I do not back down from the use of the terms. If people want to force the entire issue of Mark David Chapman's being mind controlled into terse debates over the exact, precise definition of the use of the words "MK-ULTRA programming" I can't stop them from doing it but I can add my opinion that it doesn't really add to the substance of what is being said and serves preferred critiques over the greater issue. To me the idea that the words "MK-ULTRA programming" can only be used in the intellectually martinet case of strict clinical manipulation using teams is preposterous and violates the freedom of abstract speech generally assumed amongst gentlemen of words. And since this has been elaborated clearly and isn't difficult to understand I believe it is these people who are the ones "muddying the waters" so to speak. I believe the problem here is people assuming ALL references to "MK-ULTRA programming" must strictly, and always, refer to classic clinical teams, however there's no reason for that nor is there any reason to assume it can't be used in the abstract manner. And I believe what I wrote could only be explained as "highly misleading" if one ignores the entire text explaining what was meant and focuses only on words and semantics.

Jan Klimkowski
04-26-2011, 07:01 PM
Albert - your description of this as a semantic argument is also misleading.

The phrase "MK-ULTRA programmed himself" is conceptually meaningless.

Albert Doyle
12-25-2011, 06:40 PM
After watching Lennon assassination You-Tube videos I found a video where author Jack Jones discusses Chapman telling his wife he was going to New York to try to sell a children's book concept called "Malekko The Gecko". This made an alarm go off in my mind after reading Adele Edisen's accounts of CIA doctor Jose Rivera taunting her with silly jingles like "pony macaroni". It struck me that "Melekko The Gecko" is perfectly in tune with such a CIA hypnotic trigger jingle. Also, in the creepy MK-ULTRA unconscious landscape a book having to do with children might possibly unconsciously overlap into the children theme in 'Catcher In The Rye'.

Peter Lemkin
12-25-2011, 07:41 PM
...and sometimes a cigar is only a cigar.....
The patsies are programmed [Chapman, Sirhan, others], but the real sharpshooters are not. There is increasing evidence the doorman had something to do with the fatal shots and we know Sirhan didn't have anything to do with the fatal shots; ditto Chapman. Programmed, yes. The assassin, I think not. They'd like you to think so, so you don't go poking around at the POLITICAL and DEEP POLITICAL reasons behind these assassinations [and many others].

Albert Doyle
12-25-2011, 08:04 PM
...and sometimes a cigar is only a cigar.....
The patsies are programmed [Chapman, Sirhan, others], but the real sharpshooters are not. There is increasing evidence the doorman had something to do with the fatal shots and we know Sirhan didn't have anything to do with the fatal shots; ditto Chapman. Programmed, yes. The assassin, I think not. They'd like you to think so, so you don't go poking around at the POLITICAL and DEEP POLITICAL reasons behind these assassinations [and many others].


True. I don't discount what you say ala Astucia, however we know Dana Reeves allegedly gave Chapman the hollow-point bullets. There's evidentiary problems with someone else shooting those hollow-point rounds because that would necessitate Chapman firing blanks. I know we can go into alteration and hiding evidence - which I also don't challenge because we know that was done in the Kennedy assassinations. Problematic at minimum. Perhaps CIA refined their methods by incurring a non-investigation of the ballistic evidence.

At least at a basic level it makes no difference since it was CIA (or the usual CIA related entity) either way.

Albert Doyle
12-26-2011, 05:49 PM
...and sometimes a cigar is only a cigar.....




If you admit that Chapman was programmed like Sirhan then you have to assume his reading the dream sequence in Catcher at his trial was done under this influence. So this dream sequence recitation was done for a designed purpose. I think it was done as an indirect statement by the real assassins who programmed Chapman that Lennon was leading America's children towards a cliff and therefore Chapman (the real assassins' Manchurian proxy) was serving a just cause. This is a creepy use of the mind-control process to make an indirect claim justifying the execution. So if this was the case then we know the internal dynamic of this particular MK-ULTRA event was one of open obviousness of the method. In this case it would make it more likely that the "Malekko The Gecko" jingle was directly associated with the hypno-trigger jingles Dr Rivera was taunting Adele Edisen with. This would very much conform with the type of hypno methods disclosed in the Derren Brown videos.


Sometimes a Gecko is a Malekko. And sometimes a pony is a wet noodle. And sometimes a Banana Stand is Afghanistan.

Dawn Meredith
01-06-2012, 12:33 AM
...and sometimes a cigar is only a cigar.....
The patsies are programmed [Chapman, Sirhan, others], but the real sharpshooters are not. There is increasing evidence the doorman had something to do with the fatal shots and we know Sirhan didn't have anything to do with the fatal shots; ditto Chapman. Programmed, yes. The assassin, I think not. They'd like you to think so, so you don't go poking around at the POLITICAL and DEEP POLITICAL reasons behind these assassinations [and many others].


True. I don't discount what you say ala Astucia, however we know Dana Reeves allegedly gave Chapman the hollow-point bullets. There's evidentiary problems with someone else shooting those hollow-point rounds because that would necessitate Chapman firing blanks. I know we can go into alteration and hiding evidence - which I also don't challenge because we know that was done in the Kennedy assassinations. Problematic at minimum. Perhaps CIA refined their methods by incurring a non-investigation of the ballistic evidence.

At least at a basic level it makes no difference since it was CIA (or the usual CIA related entity) either way.


What??? The only Dana Reeves I have ever heard of is the deceased wife of actor and also deceased Christopher Reeves. Surely you are referring to someone else. Is "Astucia" his real name? A friend of mine seems to think it is an alias. I have seen his site but have not spent a lot of time there.

What I have read is pretty convincing. If anyone could mount a peace movement it was Lennon. That he was offed so soon after Reagan's election did not escape me either. However in those first few weeks I was so inconsolable with grief that I only questioned the cover story in passing. The doorman "appeared" to love John. But like other cases, bullets from the wrong angle, Patsy sans money flying all around... YMCA, World Vision, too many dots.

Dawn

Dawn Meredith
01-06-2012, 12:38 AM
...and sometimes a cigar is only a cigar.....
The patsies are programmed [Chapman, Sirhan, others], but the real sharpshooters are not. There is increasing evidence the doorman had something to do with the fatal shots and we know Sirhan didn't have anything to do with the fatal shots; ditto Chapman. Programmed, yes. The assassin, I think not. They'd like you to think so, so you don't go poking around at the POLITICAL and DEEP POLITICAL reasons behind these assassinations [and many others].


True. I don't discount what you say ala Astucia, however we know Dana Reeves allegedly gave Chapman the hollow-point bullets. There's evidentiary problems with someone else shooting those hollow-point rounds because that would necessitate Chapman firing blanks. I know we can go into alteration and hiding evidence - which I also don't challenge because we know that was done in the Kennedy assassinations. Problematic at minimum. Perhaps CIA refined their methods by incurring a non-investigation of the ballistic evidence.

At least at a basic level it makes no difference since it was CIA (or the usual CIA related entity) either way.


What??? The only Dana Reeves I have ever heard of is the deceased wife of actor and also deceased Christopher Reeves. Surely you are referring to someone else. Is "Astucia" his real name? A friend of mine seems to think it is an alias. I have seen his site but have not spent a lot of time there.

What I have read is pretty convincing. If anyone could mount a peace movement it was Lennon. That he was offed so soon after Reagan's election did not escape me either. However in those first few weeks I was so inconsolable with grief that I only questioned the cover story in passing. The doorman "appeared" to love John. But like other cases, bullets from the wrong angle, Patsy sans money flying all around... YMCA, World Vision, too many dots.

Dawn


Never mind...wrong Dana reeves, wrong sex too. :)

Albert Doyle
01-06-2012, 04:49 AM
Dana Reeves - the Georgia deputy sherrif who supplied Mark David Chapman the hollow point bullets that were designed to kill. Funny thing about Reeves is that he picked-up Chapman at the World Vision refugee camp in Arkansas after he was finished with his Viet Nam refugee work and drove him back home to Georgia. Reeves used his officialdom as an excuse to shut-up after the killing and never gave any details.

I think Bresler discovered that there was one bullet that strayed and went through a window in the Dakota courtyard that didn't fit the known pattern of shots and had no explanation.

I'd also like to see something written about Astucia.

Chapman, like Sirhan, possessed a strong feeling that their victim must die.

Albert Doyle
04-10-2012, 06:49 PM
From the Jesse Ventura You-Tube comments section:


" Jose Perdomo, doorman on duty at the Dakota Building on the night Lennon was shot, has recently emerged as a possible ˜prime suspect.It turns out Perdomo was an anti-Castro Cuban exile who worked for the CIA as long ago as 1961, and was actively involved in the CIAs failed Bay of Pigs operation.Using the pseudonym Joaquin Sanjenis. Perdomo worked closely with convicted Watergate burglar and known CIA agent, Frank Sturgis, "

Dawn Meredith
07-02-2012, 07:07 PM
From the Jesse Ventura You-Tube comments section:


" Jose Perdomo, doorman on duty at the Dakota Building on the night Lennon was shot, has recently emerged as a possible ˜prime suspect.It turns out Perdomo was an anti-Castro Cuban exile who worked for the CIA as long ago as 1961, and was actively involved in the CIAs failed Bay of Pigs operation.Using the pseudonym Joaquin Sanjenis. Perdomo worked closely with convicted Watergate burglar and known CIA agent, Frank Sturgis, "

I find it astounding how often Bay of Pigs people turn up in these cases...Yes I had seen the stuff about the doorman before Ventura brought it up. JFK/Watergate/Lennon. These pigs have one sick sense of the absurd. Hard to imagine CIA MK ULTRA goons TRIPPING. (I wonder what "God" they see?)

"All we are saying...."

Albert Doyle
07-02-2012, 07:19 PM
(I wonder what "God" they see?)




The Manson one I would think.


They then followed through with murderous abandon in Central America with the political credit they had bought with Lennon's assassination. CIA eventually got the power they sought during Kennedy's time and this is how they got it.

Adele Edisen
07-26-2012, 09:59 PM
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Peter Lemkin
07-26-2012, 10:29 PM
Good blog on Lennon Assassination here http://ciakilledlennon.blogspot.com

Adele Edisen
07-26-2012, 10:43 PM
Peter, with all due respect to you, I'm not sure I would trust much of what E. Howad Hunt had to say, assuming his son is reporting his words truthfully. It certainly would seem that John Lennon was an "enemy" to them and to the war-machine Establishment, a protectorate of the CIA, but didn't E. Howard Hunt claim he was not in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963?

E. Howard Hunt was CIA all the way, and we know how many pathological liars were hired and worked there.

Sometimes they told the truth when it was convenient for them. and other times they just covered up for The Company - "anyone but the CIA," the Mafia. the Cubans. the Russians, LBJ, you. me, whoever??

Adele

Peter Lemkin
07-26-2012, 11:01 PM
Short but good cartoon version of Lennon Assassination here http://mackwhite.com/lennon.html

Peter Lemkin
07-26-2012, 11:03 PM
Peter, with all due respect to you, I'm not sure I would trust much of what E. Howad Hunt had to say, assuming his son is reporting his words truthfully. It certainly would seem that John Lennon was an "enemy" to them and to the war-machine Establishment, a protectorate of the CIA, but didn't E. Howard Hunt claim he was not in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963?

E. Howard Hunt was CIA all the way, and we know how many pathological liars were hired and worked there.

Sometimes they told the truth when it was convenient for them. and other times they just covered up for The Company - "anyone but the CIA," the Mafia. the Cubans. the Russians, LBJ, you. me, whoever??

Adele

Adele, I do NOT believe what EHH said or his son said he said. There are good references to good books and other good leads on that blog. I don't believe all that is written there as gospel - and didn't mean to say others should take it as........Sorry the page I pointed to [there are many] had the EHH stuff. Look at some of the other.

Adele Edisen
07-26-2012, 11:14 PM
Short but good cartoon version of Lennon Assassination here http://mackwhite.com/lennon.html

Thanks, Peter.

Adele

Albert Doyle
07-27-2012, 03:07 AM
Alan's a good guy. I think his point was mostly that Hunt made this confession and the media wasn't interested. Alan disappeared. I hope he's not in Guantanamo.

Albert Doyle
08-31-2012, 08:49 PM
I was at the Dakota tunnel 2 weeks ago looking at the scene. Creepy stuff.



As I walked away I said to the doorman "The CIA murdered John Lennon".

Albert Doyle
09-02-2012, 04:41 PM
Truth is America is a paper republic of cowards who don't really care if CIA murdered Lennon. They are too busy staring at their I-Pad...

Albert Doyle
09-02-2012, 07:00 PM
Good, Sean is being brave and indirectly suggesting there was something more that was "sensitive" and "complicated" to Chapman than previously told. And Yoko didn't protest:



http://online.wsj.com/article/AP2969f641c6bb43fb9cff7cf059e5f179.html

Dawn Meredith
10-15-2012, 11:24 PM
Short but good cartoon version of Lennon Assassination here http://mackwhite.com/lennon.html

Peter:
Thanks so much for posting this Mack white stuff. He is a new friend of mine but I have never seen this. Amazing what you can get across in a cartoon.

It realy does all fit together.

Did you know that on this birthday Yoko posted that she had read JFK and the Unsperakable and stayed up crying all night for the peace that was lost.

Peace + power= assassination.

Oldest play there is.

We who lived during the idealistic time of the 60's did not achieve a thing.

"I keep calling ....most of the day....hey hey Johnny

can't you come out to play in your Empty Garden, Johnny ..."

(Elton John)

I have seen the movie Imagine at least six times since its release in 88 and I can never watch it witout sobbing uncontrollably.

They kill everyone I love.

Dawn

Albert Doyle
10-17-2012, 06:11 PM
Sean has already breached the subject in public by saying those who think Chapman was a deranged lone nut don't know the real reason his father was killed and by whom. In this video he backs off. Probably because he's next to Yoko. However if you're sharp you'll realize his labeling the Chapman issue as being "complicated" and "sensitive" is an indirect way of saying what he really believes.

I don't know. I think both Yoko and Sean would be better coming right out and making a public statement that Lennon was killed by actions similar to covert Manchurian Candidate blacks ops already seen in the case of Sirhan:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqZZI86DMcE





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Dawn Meredith
10-18-2012, 01:06 PM
Good, Sean is being brave and indirectly suggesting there was something more that was "sensitive" and "complicated" to Chapman than previously told. And Yoko didn't protest:



http://online.wsj.com/article/AP2969f641c6bb43fb9cff7cf059e5f179.html

Well what do you expect? When JFK Jr. began seriously and publicly looking into his father's assassination his "bad flying skills" kicked in.

Dawn

Albert Doyle
10-18-2012, 03:28 PM
Sean already came out with it. He's still alive. Besides, he doesn't fly.


They can't kill us all.


Silence means Lennon died for nothing...

Dawn Meredith
10-18-2012, 05:17 PM
Sean already came out with it. He's still alive. Besides, he doesn't fly.


They can't kill us all.


Silence means Lennon died for nothing...
That is a difficult point. I agree and disagree. Re: Sean and Yoko. They would have to hold a press conference- a huge one- but even that would not guarentee Sean would not meet with a car accident or heart attack. Come on Albert? Lennon as MC murder is very un well known.
And they are not about to kill "us". We are not family who people would listen to. That Sean does not fly misses my point entirely. (Again).

Dawn

Dawn Meredith
12-08-2012, 03:30 PM
Another fucking sad anniversary.

And justice for none.

Albert Doyle
12-08-2012, 04:53 PM
One thing you can count on with the brave free American public is when the evidence becomes clear for a Manchurian Candidate assassination they will show no interest in it and leave you flapping in the wind murdered while they drive around with patriotic flag propaganda symbols.

Charles Drago
12-08-2012, 05:03 PM
Truth be told, I'm having a hard time keeping all the "Albert's" straight.

This one reads like the historic "Doyle." But who knows?

All we can be certain of is this: Any post over the "Albert Doyle" signature remains suspect in terms of the identities and agendas of the person or persons who wrote it.

Peter Lemkin
12-08-2012, 09:35 PM
I live currently in a major European city formerly in the communist bloc, having chosen [or having it chosen for me] to leave the US....long story don't care to go into here and now.....Anyway, I used to live around the block from the famous 'Lennon Wall'. It started just after Lennon was shot as a memorial on a long, high stretch of blank wall that surrounds the [get this!] Sovereign Order of the Knights of Malta's Embassy. Anyway, that doesn't play into this plot. Because part of the wall has a form on it that resembles in size and shape a tombstone, someone with good artistic talents came at night during the Communist period here and painted a lovely image of John Lennon above the 'tombstone' and what resembled what one would put on a tombstone on that slight 'bump' in the wall shaped like one. Others who revered Lennon and were saddened at his assassination added to the artistic graffito, and soon the wall was full of tributes in words and images to JL. The Communists here had forbidden the sale of Beatles or Lennon's music and were upset. They had some painters paint over all that work and the wall was again its usual blank beige. The next night the artwork was back. The next day it was re-painted. This cat and mouse game went on in various ways for literally years. It is in every guidebook and when I walked past to walk my dog about twice per day, the wall is still highly photographed and painted upon [now no longer painted over by the authorities, but painted over by other painters]. The point I wanted to make is that usually I walk by silently observing the reactions. Most just think it cute or camp and take a photo with no thought of Lennon's death - or what he meant in life [most are too young...but not all, for sure]. A few shed a tear - but that is rare and most of these are my age. On more than one [in fact many] occasion I have spoken to singles, groups and tour groups and told them the truth of the assassination, unsolicited; that it was not a 'lone nut' what did it. Most, but not all, react as if I'm a madman spouting total nonsense. While those visiting the Lennon Wall are from every country imaginable, about 20% are American, They, more than most, react negatively to my words, British next, Western Europeans act rather neutral, and those from developing nations most receptive to my rant. Sadly, only a few have ever really engaged me about it or asked for references, etc. A minority of the artists really 'get it' and some pour their hearts into their work. I've seen some on ladders working for days on end, but sadly to most viewing it, all is fine in our giant Potemkin Village, and the officials don't lie, and they do take our best interests to heart.
....Imagine!

Dawn Meredith
12-09-2012, 12:34 AM
Truth be told, I'm having a hard time keeping all the "Albert's" straight.

This one reads like the historic "Doyle." But who knows?

All we can be certain of is this: Any post over the "Albert Doyle" signature remains suspect in terms of the identities and agendas of the person or persons who wrote it.

The only "agenda" exhibited here is our feelings for a man we loved.

This Albert paranoia has gone far enough. I see a person who, like many of us, sometimes posts in haste and at other times puts more thought into a post.

That is MY opinion.

Dawn

Albert Doyle
12-09-2012, 05:26 PM
I took real pleasure in going to the Dakota in August and looking the doorman in the eye and saying "The CIA killed John Lennon."


I noticed his body language in reaction was not one of concern over a nut speaking out but was one of quiet acknowledgement of the truth in the statement. One of being caught in between in something he knew was true but couldn't respond to while on the job.

Greg Burnham
12-22-2012, 06:09 AM
I took real pleasure in going to the Dakota in August and looking the doorman in the eye and saying "The CIA killed John Lennon."


I noticed his body language in reaction was not one of concern over a nut speaking out but was one of quiet acknowledgement of the truth in the statement. One of being caught in between in something he knew was true but couldn't respond to while on the job.

"You" are complete idiots.


Climb aboard.

4205

Jan Klimkowski
12-22-2012, 01:43 PM
Albert - the terminology matters.

With respect, in my judgement the phrase "MK-ULTRA programmed himself" mixes oranges and apples in a deeply unhelpful way.


I don't see what the big deal is. The example was obviously figurative. Besides, in the MK-ULTRA LSD world apples can very easily morph into oranges. It's a very indeterminate place.

Because mind control programming involves, at the very least, a programmer and a subject.

If someone takes drugs and becomes psychotic, that person has not "MK-ULTRA programmed himself". Your statement is highly misleading.





The main point being the point Chapman's mind had reached was similar to that induced by the MK Mengele's.

Albert - the fundamental point is whether Chapman was programmed by another person. Or not. If not, then "MK Mengeles" (whatever that phrase may mean) have nothing to do with it.



However, describing this as "MK-ULTRA self programming" does not aid our understanding of this process. The common cultural phrase for such a person is Acid Casualty.


Would not an MK-ULTRA victim also be an "acid casualty" of sorts?

No.

Syd Barrett was an acid casulty.

Syd Barrett was not, in the absence of new evidence, an MK-ULTRA casualty.



This is splitting hairs. The real business here is evidence Bresler found of typical CIA involvement in Chapman's being set-up as a Sirhan-like lunatic. What I find most telling about it is no one ever challenged Bresler's evidence.

It's absolutely not splitting hairs. Your argument is muddying the waters, rather than making the waters clearer.

Given recent developments, I am inclined to view this exchange as revealing more than bone-headed stupidity and the stubbornness of an ass...

The exchange took place on p3-4 of this thread.

Dawn Meredith
12-09-2013, 12:58 AM
"Imagine all the people living life in peace
You may say I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one"

Thirty three years ago today my life was shattered by this assassination.

Peter Lemkin
12-09-2013, 08:10 AM
"Imagine all the people living life in peace
You may say I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one"

Thirty three years ago today my life was shattered by this assassination.

It was for me another of the all-too-many political assassinations by the Secret and Deep Political Cabal. It was another moment of deep sadness. Nixon might have given the nod or just the 'OK' on this one.....most of the others were cooked-up and carried way above Presidential level. Presidents since JFK are only compliant puppets and need not be consulted on such important matters of 'state'.

A few posts above, I mentioned the 'Lennon Wall' in Prague. It now has become just a graffiti wall....and most all images of Lennon and his words, usually present, are covered over with self-indulgent and childish messages. I still tell many there [large groups, all the time] that the assassination was deeper than they think or know....most just look at me as if I'm insane. (The MSM told me what happened...get a clue old man.) Knowing the Truth today puts one in most others' category of 'insane'.

Imagine.

Dawn Meredith
12-09-2013, 03:14 PM
"Imagine all the people living life in peace
You may say I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one"

Thirty three years ago today my life was shattered by this assassination.

It was for me another of the all-too-many political assassinations by the Secret and Deep Political Cabal. It was another moment of deep sadness. Nixon might have given the nod or just the 'OK' on this one.....most of the others were cooked-up and carried way above Presidential level. Presidents since JFK are only compliant puppets and need not be consulted on such important matters of 'state'.

A few posts above, I mentioned the 'Lennon Wall' in Prague. It now has become just a graffiti wall....and most all images of Lennon and his words, usually present, are covered over with self-indulgent and childish messages. I still tell many there [large groups, all the time] that the assassination was deeper than they think or know....most just look at me as if I'm insane. (The MSM told me what happened...get a clue old man.) Knowing the Truth today puts one in most others' category of 'insane'.

Imagine.
Ya know Peter. I wondered the very first day about that. But I couldn't let my mind go there. When JFK was assassinated I got it day one and I was also devastated. Then shortly thereafter came the Beatles. It was positively joy. To this day they remain my all time favorite band. So that joy helped alleviate some of the sorrow from JFK's assassination. Some only.
ON Dec 8/80 I was in bed, happily reading the Playboy interview with John and Yoko. Then after falling asleep I got THAT call. It was surreal. So I could not let my self think conspiracy in this one. The thought ebbed in and out of my mind of course. The Unspeakable had struck again.
(As an aside it was also 12/8/72 they murdered Dorothy Hunt)
And in 99 they killed John Jr.
It will never end, until we force them to admit the truth.
How I don't know. If only we had a real media. Sigh.

Thanks, by the way for your post above and pics. The Lennon wall.
To this day I cannot hear the songs from Double Fantasy without crying. Especially Woman and Beautiful Boy.

Dawn

Peter Presland
12-09-2013, 03:40 PM
....most just look at me as if I'm insane. (The MSM told me what happened...get a clue old man.) Knowing the Truth today puts one in most others' category of 'insane'.
Imagine.

Indeed it does Peter - and insane equates to dangerous too.

But, setting aside the increasingly refined powers of reality manipulation and control that the march of technology facilitates, I reckon that has pretty much always been the case. This little gem of poetic wisdom by Emily Dickinson, circa 1862, tells it as it is:

Much madness is divinest Sense
To a discerning Eye
Much Sense- the starkest Madness
'Tis the Majority
In this, as All, prevail
Assent-and you are sane
Demur-you're straightway dangerous
And handled with a Chain

Albert Doyle
12-09-2013, 11:55 PM
Fenton Bresler proved by his analysis of the ticket evidence that Mark David Chapman had airline tickets that were impossible by United Airlines ticketing practices. This type of forgery, like the Secret Service ID's in Dealey Plaza, could only be done at the CIA level. When Mr Bresler went to prove this by requesting the DA's transportation file records in the case against Chapman they told him the files were missing and that it was unusual. The source of the information, Honolulu police sergeant Souza, could have confirmed it but no one ever bothered to interview him. Also, to this day no one ever tracked-down and interviewed Chapman's grandmother who could have provided serious witnessing to Chapman's travels. No relatives, no one, ever elaborated on his grandmother and her relationship to his travels that day. She was never traced, never interviewed, and never spoken about by anyone. Chapman's grandmother disappeared into a total abyss.


I'm not sure what Greg's problem was. I don't see what spurred his rather idiotic response.


I lay claim to a particular piece of evidence no one else noticed. I believe CIA prevented the limousine that was supposed to pick-up Lennon at 5pm from ever showing up. That way Lennon was forced out on to the sidewalk where the famous picture of Chapman next to Lennon signing his album was taken. Chapman had failed to kill Lennon on a trip 2 months earlier. This showed he was resistant to his Manchurian Candidate MKULTRA programming. The same thing happened again at 5pm when Chapman was distracted by two women friends he had made. It wasn't until he was alone with his programming in the dark at night that it finally prevailed and he shot (at?) Lennon.

Albert Doyle
02-02-2014, 03:24 AM
CNN is really going off the Mockingbird deep end. First on the 50th and now with a program about Lennon's assassination. They ridiculed the conspiracy theory, offering two spokespersons against it. One being the author Jack Jones. Bresler was never mentioned. His ticket evidence was never mentioned. Nor was any person from the conspiracy side represented.


See now why it is important for Yoko to talk?

Dawn Meredith
02-11-2014, 02:33 PM
CNN is really going off the Mockingbird deep end. First on the 50th and now with a program about Lennon's assassination. They ridiculed the conspiracy theory, offering two spokespersons against it. One being the author Jack Jones. Bresler was never mentioned. His ticket evidence was never mentioned. Nor was any person from the conspiracy side represented.


See now why it is important for Yoko to talk?

I am glad to have missed all that. The only thing I watched with the 50 year tribute on CBS. I enjoyed it but wanted to see way more Beatles footage.
What good would it do for Yoko to talk? Who would cover it? When RFK jr spoke out in Dallas last year it was mostly ignored.
Our Mockingbird press has always been a large part of the problem.

Dawn

Albert Doyle
02-11-2014, 02:52 PM
If you saw the program you would understand what good it would do for Yoko to talk. Mockingbird has developed an aggressive final form like the shows from the 50th. They know they have a Bush majority, smartphone generation that isn't paying attention to journalistic integrity and won't demand it when CNN puts on propagandistic, one-sided pro-government programs. Sean's statement that only a naive person would not realize Chapman was not a crazed lone nut goes a long way when the trolls say you are only furthering the misery of the family with your conspiracy theories. It shuts them up pretty quickly.

You should have seen the program. CNN had the balls to show two spokespeople who were against the conspiracy and a compliant CNN host during their discussion of the whether or not there was a conspiracy. Even the build-up was disgusting. They said "some people believe there was a dark conspiracy involving CIA and other shadowy forces" etc. Paving a nutty road in front of their one-sided approach before reaching a quick dismissal. Meanwhile if Bresler were alive he could have added some facts to that formula that would have destroyed their deceptive attempt at concealment. No mention of Sean's statement either. By speaking Yoko would at least put it in people's minds that CNN was ignoring her and make them ask why? I can tell you what John would think of Yoko's silence. During his life he wasn't known for being short on words for this kind of stuff.

Albert Doyle
06-19-2014, 04:12 PM
The Amazon moderator deleted two of my comments when I took on a Lone Nutter who called the evidence behind Lennon's assassination "sexy conspiracy theory". When I protested the moderator said they were deleted because they contained "spiteful comments". The denier says he's a psychiatrist and that he understood Chapman's serious mental illness and had empathy for it. The creep is either CIA or a typical American conventionalist.

Lauren Johnson
06-19-2014, 05:07 PM
The Amazon moderator deleted two of my comments when I took on a Lone Nutter who called the evidence behind Lennon's assassination "sexy conspiracy theory". When I protested the moderator said they were deleted because they contained "spiteful comments". The denier says he's a psychiatrist and that he understood Chapman's serious mental illness and had empathy for it. The creep is either CIA or a typical American conventionalist.

Reply and ask him if he could make a suggestion of wording that would not be spiteful.

Albert Doyle
06-20-2014, 01:55 PM
They give you a form answer that says this is all the resolution we will give and that your comment was spiteful.


I think what is really happening is the Lone Nutter flags your comment to the moderator because it makes him look bad and contains facts he's in denial of and Amazon deletes it rather than looking at the cowardly trick the complainant is using.


Spiteful as a measure is so idiotic that it takes credibility from Amazon. Typical corporate bs.

Dawn Meredith
06-20-2014, 02:23 PM
With RFK's assassination the MO changed. Have the assassin right there so that all can see. Then there will be no doubters. Worked with both RFK and John Lennon.
And Yoko has spoken out. But you will never see it on CNN.

Dawn

Dawn Meredith
12-08-2014, 01:57 PM
Hard to believe it's now been 35 years.
"Even after all these years, I still miss you when you're not here"
:(

Albert Doyle
12-08-2014, 04:28 PM
34.


The covert war against rock sub-category of CIA assassination doesn't get as much attention as the Kennedy level because rock is not at the same mainstream formal level that attracts the best pros to that level. Fenton Bresler wrote a book that should have been explosive. It was followed through by nothing and is now available for 1 penny on Amazon with no one reading it. There's an amazing litmus test for the cowardice of the public. When you are alive and a colorful hero who can make music and make yourself available for celebrity you are adored and crowded by the public. Get yourself killed by CIA in a wicked Nazi-like hypnotic mind control assassination and no one wants to get their sleeves dirty for a dead person. There's a huge shift there that is answered by the cowardly public with enforced silence and shunning of those who point it out. CIA murders pay off and pay off big time with the help of the cowardly public.

Dawn Meredith
12-09-2014, 12:01 AM
34.


The covert war against rock sub-category of CIA assassination doesn't get as much attention as the Kennedy level because rock is not at the same mainstream formal level that attracts the best pros to that level. Fenton Bresler wrote a book that should have been explosive. It was followed through by nothing and is now available for 1 penny on Amazon with no one reading it. There's an amazing litmus test for the cowardice of the public. When you are alive and a colorful hero who can make music and make yourself available for celebrity you are adored and crowded by the public. Get yourself killed by CIA in a wicked Nazi-like hypnotic mind control assassination and no one wants to get their sleeves dirty for a dead person. There's a huge shift there that is answered by the cowardly public with enforced silence and shunning of those who point it out. CIA murders pay off and pay off big time with the help of the cowardly public.

Opps. 34. What was I thinking? I have Bresler's book and it made a good case. There was some further work done, but you are right, no more books that I know of.
Really should be.

Peter Lemkin
12-09-2014, 05:40 AM
The CIA Murder of John Lennon: Mae Brussell Interview By / June 11th, 2007





http://www.constantinereport.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/_mg7D3kYysfw/Rm2i6JpLFEI/AAAAAAAABRQ/okCaEPpQZ0c/s400/xin_491203210851477283172.jpg (http://www.constantinereport.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/_mg7D3kYysfw/Rm2i6JpLFEI/AAAAAAAABRQ/okCaEPpQZ0c/s1600/xin_491203210851477283172.jpg)TRANSCRIPT: ” … A short while ago we had the pleasure of talking to noted assassination/conspiracy researcher Mae Brussell at her home in Carmel, California. Mae was kind enough to share some of her thoughts on the murder of John Lennon last December 8, 1980 in New York City. She is just starting her 11th year of broadcasting on radio KLRB, Carmel, CA. …” – Tom Davis
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Tom: What would be the motive to kill John Lennon on December 8, 1980? Lennon had been in seclusion for many years and had not yet released his new album.
Mae: Both the date of Lennon’s murder, and the careful selection of this particular victim are very important. Six weeks after Lennon’s death, Ronald Reagan would become President. Reagan and his soon-to-be appointed cabinet were prepared to build up the Pentagon war machine and increase the potential for war against the USSR. The first strike would fall on small countries like El Salvador and Guatemala. Lennon, alone, was the only man (even without his fellow Beatles) who had the ability to draw out one million anti-war protestors in any given city within 24 hours, if he opposed those war policies.
John Lennon was a spiritual force. He was a giant, like Gandhi, a man who wrote about peace and brotherly love. He taught an entire generation to think for themselves and to challenge authority. Lennon and the Beatles’ songs shout out the inequalities life and the messages of change. Change is a threat to the longtime status quo that Reagan’s team exemplified.
On my weekly radio broadcast of December 7, 1980, I stated that “the old assassination teams are coming back into power.” The very people responsible for covering up the murders of President John F. Kennedy, Senator Robert Kennedy, Reverend Martin Luther King, for Watergate and Koreagate, and the kidnapping and murder of Howard Hughes, and for hundreds of other deaths, had only six weeks before they would again be removing or silencing those voices of opposition to their policies.
Lennon was coming out once more. His album was cut. He was preparing to be part of the world, a world which was a worse place since the time he had withdrawn with his family. It was a sure bet Lennon would react and become a social activist again. That was the threat. Lennon realized that there was danger coming back into public view. He took that dangerous chance, and we all lost!
Tom: The common assumption is that Mark David Chapman, arrested the moment he killed John Lennon, was acting out his personal love-hate relationship with Lennon. Why do you have to look for a larger conspiracy than the conflicts in Chapman’s own head?
Mae: Single crimes of passion are easy to explain and easy to solve. When someone is gunned down who is controversial, has political enemies, is hated by wealthy and well-organized religious movements, and is an open opponent of government policies at home and abroad, that kind of murder requires much more inquiry into the background of the assassin. The conclusions about the murder motive may turn out to be simple. Yet, in every political assassination since 1963, there were always more unanswered questions that led to a broader supposition of intention to kill by a group of people rather than one single individual.
Tom: What is the first clue you look for if you are suspicious of a larger conspiracy to assassinate, whether it is John Lennon, President John F. Kennedy, or the recent attempts on President Reagan and Pope John Paul II?
Mae: There are necessary connecting links in every assassination conspiracy. If any link of that chain falls apart and becomes exposed, the parts of the larger plot are more visible. When every element of that chain holds together and is present in the evidence and testimony regarding any particular murder, there has to be a larger conspiracy. (large diagram)
The most important link in that chain is the selected decoy or patsy. Whoever is arrested at the scene of the crime, to the exclusion of other suspicious persons, becomes the “assassin.” This single person must serve a purpose, namely, to divert all attention away from those people who have armed him and located him at the scene of the crime.
Letters and diaries are always present and easily located to support the predetermined cover story. They provide a “motive”, and are the glue that cements (we are told) the “loner” to his single purpose.
In preparation for his “act”, the decoy or patsy is moved across countries or overseas, traveling and staying at safe houses. He has no friends, no jobs, no means of support while at the same time staying at fancy hotels, spending lots of money, getting phone messages, and meeting lots of people. Very few people have the money to spend years in transit like these patsies, whose chances of being in selected locations at the precise moment their victim is murdered are minute and impossible without assistance.
Tom: Who was Mark David Chapman? What was there in his background that made you suspicious that he had been selected for a “decoy” or “patsy” by other persons who wanted Lennon dead?
Mae: Chapman came from a conservative military family who had moved from Fort Worth, Texas to Florida. He had become a “Jesus Freak” at the time Lennon and the Beatles were getting death threats during the anti-war period. Joining this movement while supposedly loving and admiring Lennon was a gross contradiction, for the religious fundamentalists were furious that Lennon considered himself better known and loved than Jesus.
DeKalb County, Georgia, just to the east of Atlanta, figures prominently in Chapman’s life as it had some years earlier in that of Martin Luther King. In 1977 in a court affidavit, Robert Byron Watson, former employee of Magellon’s Art Gallery, Atlanta, named several citizens as having planned and bragged about the “future murder of Reverend Martin Luther King.” King’s death came just one week after the plans were discussed. These same people also talked about murdering Senator Robert Kennedy.
Chapman attended DeKalb Junior College in the area where these kinds of plans were laid and such political anger was being vented. From DeKalb County, Chapman was sent to Beirut, Lebanon. He was handed the funds both ways. Beirut was the center for George Habash and CIA assassination teams also identified in the Watson testimony before the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1977-78.
On March 31, 1981, United Press International exposed the connection of “military training in a guerrilla camp” in Beirut, Lebanon to “worldwide Nazi ties.”
After six months in Lebanon, Chapman went to Fort Chaffee, Arkansas to work with Vietnam refugees recently arrived from Southeast Asia. Members of the CIA were with him at this military base.
William Colby’s Vietnam Phoenix program, staffed with agents who intensely hated the anti-war, social activists like John Lennon, had both the intent and the means to move persons like Chapman to their training camps and then to specific places planned as sites for future assassinations. Colby came back to the U.S. to become Director of the C.I.A. at a time (1973) when “Operation Chaos” was in full swing against the hippies, rock musicians, and anti-war protestors. Many of them were killed or otherwise neutralized.
From Fort Chaffee, Arkansas, Chapman moved to Lookout Mountain, Tennessee to attend Presbyterian College.
Martin Luther King, a victim of plans made in DeKalb County, Georgia, was murdered in Memphis, Tennessee. Senator Howard Baker from Tennessee and CIA Director William Colby were making deals to cover up Watergate crimes in 1974-75, year before Chapman moved to Tennessee.
According to news reports, Chapman “fled” Tennessee to Hawaii in 1976.
His earliest arrest records indicated he had committed crimes in Florida, but the authorities later blamed these crimes on another person, excusing the mix-up as a “computer mistake.” Many patsies and decoys have earlier arrest records that are used to keep them silent and actively cooperative for fear of going to jail. Was there any connection between the Florida identification and the reason for Chapman’s flight to Hawaii?
Hawaii has been the scene of many clandestine operations. Many CIA Vietnamese and members of the Special Forces, now safely removed from Vietnam, were assembled in Hawaii. The Nugan Hand Bank, an Australian conduit for CIA “black money”, actually assassination funds, kept a branch in Hawaii. Herbert Mullen, convicted of mass murders in California, appeared perfectly normal until he was sent to a military hospital in Hawaii. It was in Maui that he went through his “religious thinking” and evolved as a killer. Ed Sanders, author of The Family, a book about the Manson Family, obtained documents regarding a mysterious trip Mullen took to Hawaii before he later became a programmed killer.
The years from 1976 to 1978 in Chapman’s biography are still vague and murky: two years of limited employment and “mental treatment.” Allegedly, he was in the hospital for a mental breakdown. On the other hand, if there were any evidence of mental instability, would not his permit application to buy the murder weapon have been denied?
There were many years, months, days when Chapman could have been mentally programmed to become like the “Manchurian Candidate,” specifically to murder John Lennon, if and when he re-entered public life. Lennon was not threat until the U.S. was getting close to another war.
Subsequently, Chapman took a long “vacation”, including a trip around the world. During this voyage he made a trip to Switzerland to meet a pal from DeKalb County, Georgia, the same man who earlier had arranged the original trip to Lebanon. The journey culminated in London with a rare visit to a live Lennon concert.
Chapman’s wife, who worked for a travel agency, “arranged his itinerary”. The source of the money for his fare, hotels, food, concerts, has never been identified, although Pacific Holding Ltd., a “tourism” company formed by the CIA and Special Forces, may be implicated. Both groups had funds to hire assassination teams.
When Chapman left his job in Hawaii, October 23, 1980, he flew to Atlanta, GA. From Georgia, he went to New York City with the intention of killing John Lennon, but was apparently able to resist the “master inside himself”, a conflict he describes, and returned to Hawaii. Before long, however, Hawaii was again behind him, and Chapman arrived in New York on December 5, 1980 with the specific plan to kill John Lennon, which he did three days later.
Tom: What you are talking about is only circumstantial. There is no proof that the CIA or any government agency manipulated Chapman for their purposes. When does the proof of a conspiracy ever become apparent?
Mae: The burden of proof of conspiracy is put upon the private investigator. The common denominator in all these cases are those links in the conspiracy chain (see diagram) which show the relevant questions to be asked: Were there other persons along with Chapman shooting at Lennon to make sure he died? Who fled the scene in a hurry, never sought again by law enforcement agencies? Why did the New York police adamantly refuse to accept pictures of Chapman taken autographing an album earlier in the evening of the murder? Why were they donated to a newspaper after the police refused to accept them? When Chapman’s wife was called by the New York Police, why did they instruct her, “Don’t release any picture of him?”
How could Miami Police issue an erroneous description of a criminal record having the same last name, date of birth, race, and approximate height as the slaying suspect? Can we ever see the picture of the Florida suspect? If Chapman was treated for mental illness in Hawaii, how did he procure the weapon in Hawaii? How did Chapman transport the gun from the Island to the Mainland? (This question was dismissed by the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents, who said, “No investigation was in progress.”)
Money was never a problem for this wanderer. He and his wife lived in a $400 a month apartment and were able to support his hobby of collecting expensive works of art. Owning original Norman Rockwell lithographs worth $7,500, and traveling around the world aren’t impossible, if there is some kind of occupation that provides the money for these luxuries.
If Chapman wrote “John Lennon” on his job work sheet on October 23, 1980, it would seem impossible for someone not to notice this message until the day after Lennon was murdered. Employment log sheets are usually added up regularly to determine the hours worked and amount of pay checks. It is more probable that Chapman wrote this name at that time so that his cover story, his defense after the murder, would be his mental identification with John Lennon.
Chapman’s intention to find Lennon, as just another adoring Beatle fan, must be separated from the question of who transported him from Hawaii to Georgia to New York, back to Hawaii, and back again to New York, with lots of cash, and with the sole purpose of killing Lennon.
Jimmy Breslin, New York columnist, was impressed that Mark David Chapman could be such a “good shot” with “no military background at all.” But Chapman had been trained to shoot. He had learned to become a security guard in Georgia before his trips to Lebanon and to the many countries where he could have been instructed in killing. What about Ft. Chaffee? Why not shooting practice in Tennessee? What about military bases in Hawaii? What gives Breslin and the New York Daily News the right to make such statements without an inkling of Chapman’s background?
Like all the other “loner” drifters, Chapman stayed at expensive hotels. His last evening before killing Lennon was spent at the Sheraton Centre Hotel in New York. He was carrying more than $2,000 in cash along with his credit cards. Where did he get these cards, and on what basis was the money earned and saved to establish credit to qualify for these cards?
Tom: You apparently believe there was a government conspiracy to assassinate and silence John Lennon which was conducted by the same people who murdered other political figures and musicians in the past eighteen years?
Mae: Absolutely! The federal government has maintained active programs to eliminate rock musicians and disrupt rock concerts. Senator Frank Church’s Committee hearings in 1975 and the FBI Cointel-Programs clearly document the intent to break up any gatherings of the “new left”. Nothing brought anti-war demonstrators together with political messages more effectively than music festivals.
There is hard evidence the CIA assigned agents to “investigate the music industry.” After the murders of Tim Buckley, Jim Croce, and Mama Cass Elliot, more information surfaced about earlier mysterious deaths of Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, and Janis Joplin. Listed below, but not updated this past year, are some of the rock musicians who have died since the Huston Plan and the FBI Cointel-Program were activated. If these people had been taking any kinds of drugs, there is the distinct possibility that specific poisons were added to their drugs, enough to be fatal, to make it appear that they had died from a simple “overdose”.
Source page:
http://911review.org/Alex/John_Lennon_Assassination.html

Peter Lemkin
12-09-2014, 05:42 AM
The CIA Murder of John Lennon: Mae Brussell Interview

By / June 11th, 2007





http://www.constantinereport.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/_mg7D3kYysfw/Rm2i6JpLFEI/AAAAAAAABRQ/okCaEPpQZ0c/s400/xin_491203210851477283172.jpg (http://www.constantinereport.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/_mg7D3kYysfw/Rm2i6JpLFEI/AAAAAAAABRQ/okCaEPpQZ0c/s1600/xin_491203210851477283172.jpg)TRANSCRIPT: ” … A short while ago we had the pleasure of talking to noted assassination/conspiracy researcher Mae Brussell at her home in Carmel, California. Mae was kind enough to share some of her thoughts on the murder of John Lennon last December 8, 1980 in New York City. She is just starting her 11th year of broadcasting on radio KLRB, Carmel, CA. …” – Tom Davis
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Tom: What would be the motive to kill John Lennon on December 8, 1980? Lennon had been in seclusion for many years and had not yet released his new album.
Mae: Both the date of Lennon’s murder, and the careful selection of this particular victim are very important. Six weeks after Lennon’s death, Ronald Reagan would become President. Reagan and his soon-to-be appointed cabinet were prepared to build up the Pentagon war machine and increase the potential for war against the USSR. The first strike would fall on small countries like El Salvador and Guatemala. Lennon, alone, was the only man (even without his fellow Beatles) who had the ability to draw out one million anti-war protestors in any given city within 24 hours, if he opposed those war policies.
John Lennon was a spiritual force. He was a giant, like Gandhi, a man who wrote about peace and brotherly love. He taught an entire generation to think for themselves and to challenge authority. Lennon and the Beatles’ songs shout out the inequalities life and the messages of change. Change is a threat to the longtime status quo that Reagan’s team exemplified.
On my weekly radio broadcast of December 7, 1980, I stated that “the old assassination teams are coming back into power.” The very people responsible for covering up the murders of President John F. Kennedy, Senator Robert Kennedy, Reverend Martin Luther King, for Watergate and Koreagate, and the kidnapping and murder of Howard Hughes, and for hundreds of other deaths, had only six weeks before they would again be removing or silencing those voices of opposition to their policies.
Lennon was coming out once more. His album was cut. He was preparing to be part of the world, a world which was a worse place since the time he had withdrawn with his family. It was a sure bet Lennon would react and become a social activist again. That was the threat. Lennon realized that there was danger coming back into public view. He took that dangerous chance, and we all lost!
Tom: The common assumption is that Mark David Chapman, arrested the moment he killed John Lennon, was acting out his personal love-hate relationship with Lennon. Why do you have to look for a larger conspiracy than the conflicts in Chapman’s own head?
Mae: Single crimes of passion are easy to explain and easy to solve. When someone is gunned down who is controversial, has political enemies, is hated by wealthy and well-organized religious movements, and is an open opponent of government policies at home and abroad, that kind of murder requires much more inquiry into the background of the assassin. The conclusions about the murder motive may turn out to be simple. Yet, in every political assassination since 1963, there were always more unanswered questions that led to a broader supposition of intention to kill by a group of people rather than one single individual.
Tom: What is the first clue you look for if you are suspicious of a larger conspiracy to assassinate, whether it is John Lennon, President John F. Kennedy, or the recent attempts on President Reagan and Pope John Paul II?
Mae: There are necessary connecting links in every assassination conspiracy. If any link of that chain falls apart and becomes exposed, the parts of the larger plot are more visible. When every element of that chain holds together and is present in the evidence and testimony regarding any particular murder, there has to be a larger conspiracy. (large diagram)
The most important link in that chain is the selected decoy or patsy. Whoever is arrested at the scene of the crime, to the exclusion of other suspicious persons, becomes the “assassin.” This single person must serve a purpose, namely, to divert all attention away from those people who have armed him and located him at the scene of the crime.
Letters and diaries are always present and easily located to support the predetermined cover story. They provide a “motive”, and are the glue that cements (we are told) the “loner” to his single purpose.
In preparation for his “act”, the decoy or patsy is moved across countries or overseas, traveling and staying at safe houses. He has no friends, no jobs, no means of support while at the same time staying at fancy hotels, spending lots of money, getting phone messages, and meeting lots of people. Very few people have the money to spend years in transit like these patsies, whose chances of being in selected locations at the precise moment their victim is murdered are minute and impossible without assistance.
Tom: Who was Mark David Chapman? What was there in his background that made you suspicious that he had been selected for a “decoy” or “patsy” by other persons who wanted Lennon dead?
Mae: Chapman came from a conservative military family who had moved from Fort Worth, Texas to Florida. He had become a “Jesus Freak” at the time Lennon and the Beatles were getting death threats during the anti-war period. Joining this movement while supposedly loving and admiring Lennon was a gross contradiction, for the religious fundamentalists were furious that Lennon considered himself better known and loved than Jesus.
DeKalb County, Georgia, just to the east of Atlanta, figures prominently in Chapman’s life as it had some years earlier in that of Martin Luther King. In 1977 in a court affidavit, Robert Byron Watson, former employee of Magellon’s Art Gallery, Atlanta, named several citizens as having planned and bragged about the “future murder of Reverend Martin Luther King.” King’s death came just one week after the plans were discussed. These same people also talked about murdering Senator Robert Kennedy.
Chapman attended DeKalb Junior College in the area where these kinds of plans were laid and such political anger was being vented. From DeKalb County, Chapman was sent to Beirut, Lebanon. He was handed the funds both ways. Beirut was the center for George Habash and CIA assassination teams also identified in the Watson testimony before the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1977-78.
On March 31, 1981, United Press International exposed the connection of “military training in a guerrilla camp” in Beirut, Lebanon to “worldwide Nazi ties.”
After six months in Lebanon, Chapman went to Fort Chaffee, Arkansas to work with Vietnam refugees recently arrived from Southeast Asia. Members of the CIA were with him at this military base.
William Colby’s Vietnam Phoenix program, staffed with agents who intensely hated the anti-war, social activists like John Lennon, had both the intent and the means to move persons like Chapman to their training camps and then to specific places planned as sites for future assassinations. Colby came back to the U.S. to become Director of the C.I.A. at a time (1973) when “Operation Chaos” was in full swing against the hippies, rock musicians, and anti-war protestors. Many of them were killed or otherwise neutralized.
From Fort Chaffee, Arkansas, Chapman moved to Lookout Mountain, Tennessee to attend Presbyterian College.
Martin Luther King, a victim of plans made in DeKalb County, Georgia, was murdered in Memphis, Tennessee. Senator Howard Baker from Tennessee and CIA Director William Colby were making deals to cover up Watergate crimes in 1974-75, year before Chapman moved to Tennessee.
According to news reports, Chapman “fled” Tennessee to Hawaii in 1976.
His earliest arrest records indicated he had committed crimes in Florida, but the authorities later blamed these crimes on another person, excusing the mix-up as a “computer mistake.” Many patsies and decoys have earlier arrest records that are used to keep them silent and actively cooperative for fear of going to jail. Was there any connection between the Florida identification and the reason for Chapman’s flight to Hawaii?
Hawaii has been the scene of many clandestine operations. Many CIA Vietnamese and members of the Special Forces, now safely removed from Vietnam, were assembled in Hawaii. The Nugan Hand Bank, an Australian conduit for CIA “black money”, actually assassination funds, kept a branch in Hawaii. Herbert Mullen, convicted of mass murders in California, appeared perfectly normal until he was sent to a military hospital in Hawaii. It was in Maui that he went through his “religious thinking” and evolved as a killer. Ed Sanders, author of The Family, a book about the Manson Family, obtained documents regarding a mysterious trip Mullen took to Hawaii before he later became a programmed killer.
The years from 1976 to 1978 in Chapman’s biography are still vague and murky: two years of limited employment and “mental treatment.” Allegedly, he was in the hospital for a mental breakdown. On the other hand, if there were any evidence of mental instability, would not his permit application to buy the murder weapon have been denied?
There were many years, months, days when Chapman could have been mentally programmed to become like the “Manchurian Candidate,” specifically to murder John Lennon, if and when he re-entered public life. Lennon was not threat until the U.S. was getting close to another war.
Subsequently, Chapman took a long “vacation”, including a trip around the world. During this voyage he made a trip to Switzerland to meet a pal from DeKalb County, Georgia, the same man who earlier had arranged the original trip to Lebanon. The journey culminated in London with a rare visit to a live Lennon concert.
Chapman’s wife, who worked for a travel agency, “arranged his itinerary”. The source of the money for his fare, hotels, food, concerts, has never been identified, although Pacific Holding Ltd., a “tourism” company formed by the CIA and Special Forces, may be implicated. Both groups had funds to hire assassination teams.
When Chapman left his job in Hawaii, October 23, 1980, he flew to Atlanta, GA. From Georgia, he went to New York City with the intention of killing John Lennon, but was apparently able to resist the “master inside himself”, a conflict he describes, and returned to Hawaii. Before long, however, Hawaii was again behind him, and Chapman arrived in New York on December 5, 1980 with the specific plan to kill John Lennon, which he did three days later.
Tom: What you are talking about is only circumstantial. There is no proof that the CIA or any government agency manipulated Chapman for their purposes. When does the proof of a conspiracy ever become apparent?
Mae: The burden of proof of conspiracy is put upon the private investigator. The common denominator in all these cases are those links in the conspiracy chain (see diagram) which show the relevant questions to be asked: Were there other persons along with Chapman shooting at Lennon to make sure he died? Who fled the scene in a hurry, never sought again by law enforcement agencies? Why did the New York police adamantly refuse to accept pictures of Chapman taken autographing an album earlier in the evening of the murder? Why were they donated to a newspaper after the police refused to accept them? When Chapman’s wife was called by the New York Police, why did they instruct her, “Don’t release any picture of him?”
How could Miami Police issue an erroneous description of a criminal record having the same last name, date of birth, race, and approximate height as the slaying suspect? Can we ever see the picture of the Florida suspect? If Chapman was treated for mental illness in Hawaii, how did he procure the weapon in Hawaii? How did Chapman transport the gun from the Island to the Mainland? (This question was dismissed by the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents, who said, “No investigation was in progress.”)
Money was never a problem for this wanderer. He and his wife lived in a $400 a month apartment and were able to support his hobby of collecting expensive works of art. Owning original Norman Rockwell lithographs worth $7,500, and traveling around the world aren’t impossible, if there is some kind of occupation that provides the money for these luxuries.
If Chapman wrote “John Lennon” on his job work sheet on October 23, 1980, it would seem impossible for someone not to notice this message until the day after Lennon was murdered. Employment log sheets are usually added up regularly to determine the hours worked and amount of pay checks. It is more probable that Chapman wrote this name at that time so that his cover story, his defense after the murder, would be his mental identification with John Lennon.
Chapman’s intention to find Lennon, as just another adoring Beatle fan, must be separated from the question of who transported him from Hawaii to Georgia to New York, back to Hawaii, and back again to New York, with lots of cash, and with the sole purpose of killing Lennon.
Jimmy Breslin, New York columnist, was impressed that Mark David Chapman could be such a “good shot” with “no military background at all.” But Chapman had been trained to shoot. He had learned to become a security guard in Georgia before his trips to Lebanon and to the many countries where he could have been instructed in killing. What about Ft. Chaffee? Why not shooting practice in Tennessee? What about military bases in Hawaii? What gives Breslin and the New York Daily News the right to make such statements without an inkling of Chapman’s background?
Like all the other “loner” drifters, Chapman stayed at expensive hotels. His last evening before killing Lennon was spent at the Sheraton Centre Hotel in New York. He was carrying more than $2,000 in cash along with his credit cards. Where did he get these cards, and on what basis was the money earned and saved to establish credit to qualify for these cards?
Tom: You apparently believe there was a government conspiracy to assassinate and silence John Lennon which was conducted by the same people who murdered other political figures and musicians in the past eighteen years?
Mae: Absolutely! The federal government has maintained active programs to eliminate rock musicians and disrupt rock concerts. Senator Frank Church’s Committee hearings in 1975 and the FBI Cointel-Programs clearly document the intent to break up any gatherings of the “new left”. Nothing brought anti-war demonstrators together with political messages more effectively than music festivals.
There is hard evidence the CIA assigned agents to “investigate the music industry.” After the murders of Tim Buckley, Jim Croce, and Mama Cass Elliot, more information surfaced about earlier mysterious deaths of Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, and Janis Joplin. Listed below, but not updated this past year, are some of the rock musicians who have died since the Huston Plan and the FBI Cointel-Program were activated. If these people had been taking any kinds of drugs, there is the distinct possibility that specific poisons were added to their drugs, enough to be fatal, to make it appear that they had died from a simple “overdose”.
Source page:
http://911review.org/Alex/John_Lennon_Assassination.html

Tracy Riddle
12-09-2014, 09:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Kw52mG1EzU

Albert Doyle
12-09-2014, 09:42 PM
They very effectively kept this important information away from me back then. I didn't learn about this until the Deep Politics Forum and Amazon. I remember clear as day back in 1981 thinking something didn't wash about Lennon's assassination, but being naive to government evil back then I thought perhaps Lennon reneged on some deal with the mafia and got wacked for it. My instincts were right, only the players and motives were different.

The media is an effective brainwashing tool because when they repeat mental illness over and over you get programmed into accepting it. Even when Bresler showed proof there was still no reaction.

Dawn Meredith
12-10-2014, 10:48 PM
They very effectively kept this important information away from me back then. I didn't learn about this until the Deep Politics Forum and Amazon. I remember clear as day back in 1981 thinking something didn't wash about Lennon's assassination, but being naive to government evil back then I thought perhaps Lennon reneged on some deal with the mafia and got wacked for it. My instincts were right, only the players and motives were different.

The media is an effective brainwashing tool because when they repeat mental illness over and over you get programmed into accepting it. Even when Bresler showed proof there was still no reaction.

Operation Mockingbird at your service since 1947.

On 12/9 through my tears I had a fleeting thought that this may have been conspiracy but I dismissed it. I would rethink about this as the years passed. Wondering. .For all the reasons outline by Mae above, but not til I read Bresler's book was I convinced. Then I saw much more online. I mean what are the odds that the doorman being BOP related is all just a co-incidence? And the angle of the wounds being inconsistent with MDC's shots. The whole World Vision connection.
Fuck it. Everyone I love gets assassinated. Peace +power equals assassination.

Don Jeffries
12-11-2014, 02:23 AM
I believe there was more to Lennon's assassination than a "lone nut." I've always been intrigued by the incredible coincidence of Lennon's last photograph being of him autographing a copy of his new album for the patient, apparent fan Mark David Chapman.

Paul Krassner, who knew Lennon well, assured me in an email years ago that the ex-Beatle, like Paul McCartney, was very interested in the JFK assassination. Although I used to detest the influence Yoko had on Lennon's life and music, she is evidently quite a pro-conspiracy person herself. A year or so ago, I read an online piece about her favorite books, and they were all pro-conspiracy, including JFK and the Unspeakable.

Dawn Meredith
12-11-2014, 08:52 PM
I believe there was more to Lennon's assassination than a "lone nut." I've always been intrigued by the incredible coincidence of Lennon's last photograph being of him autographing a copy of his new album for the patient, apparent fan Mark David Chapman.

Paul Krassner, who knew Lennon well, assured me in an email years ago that the ex-Beatle, like Paul McCartney, was very interested in the JFK assassination. Although I used to detest the influence Yoko had on Lennon's life and music, she is evidently quite a pro-conspiracy person herself. A year or so ago, I read an online piece about her favorite books, and they were all pro-conspiracy, including JFK and the Unspeakable.

Yes, she said she stayed up all night reading it, crying. And that everyone should read it.

Anthony Thorne
12-12-2014, 02:45 AM
Can't remember if this book has been discussed elsewhere in this thread, but UK music journalist Phil Strongman wrote an incisive volume about Lennon's assassination a few years ago. It's the only book since the earlier Fenton Bresler volume (to my knowledge) to cover the event in any credible investigative depth.

JOHN LENNON: LIFE, TIMES AND ASSASSINATION

http://www.amazon.co.uk/John-Lennon-Life-Times-Assassination/dp/1904438946/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1418351960&sr=1-2&keywords=john+lennon+assassination

I have the book and generally agree with the long review on the Amazon site linked right above (which is worth reading). It's a sincere and detailed study, and Strongman agrees with the thesis that the CIA and US deep state apparatus was responsible for Lennon's murder.

Albert Doyle
12-12-2014, 04:09 PM
I've told people about that book in post #20 of this thread. I go back every now and then to check it. It still has three measly reviews even though it is an important work. Like I said, there's a real drop between murdered rock and roll stars and their popularity and their fans taking the time to study the political science needed to understand their government murders. The fans of rock stars are hedonists who enjoy the product of those stars like consumers but then leave them flapping in the wind when it comes to their covert murders. Their support of those stars is skin deep and fair weather and quickly dissipates as soon as those stars need some firm backbone to cover their backs when the government big boys go after them.

Strongman's forte is FBI files. He does a good job in that area in this book. He also does a good job in documenting the historical formation of our present shadow national security Gestapo and their high profile kills. I also appreciate Strongman because he's one of the few who recognizes Jimi Hendrix's death conforms to this pattern as well.


The long reviewer is "Alan". He's a good guy who has a "CIA Killed Lennon" website he doesn't maintain and wears a sandwich board saying "CIA Killed Lennon". Alan doesn't give his full name in public because he is wisely aware of the false country we live in. He was video-ed by a juvenile jackass radio host named "Opie" who once he realized he wasn't talking to a nut, and therefore his schtick for 12 year olds wouldn't play, abruptly walked away from Alan:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z40GKeZbj8U



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R.K. Locke
12-12-2014, 08:05 PM
Interesting Lennon-related coincidences mentioned in this Joseph P. Farrell video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjQ98KNubtA

Albert Doyle
12-12-2014, 11:28 PM
Not sure what that has to do with Lennon. I'm not sure the speaker knows precisely what cause or group he is accusing.

Albert Doyle
01-11-2015, 07:07 PM
CIA's going after Lennon.


Facebook is pumping this slanderous defamation piece that is like a direct translation of an FBI smear campaign against Lennon copied onto the moronic "Answers.com" site.

America is populated by some extremely stupid people because of the hundreds of comments on the article none recognize the government source of this hit piece or its relation to Lennon's CIA assassination:



http://www.answers.com/article/1263907/10-disappointing-and-unfortunate-facts-about-john-lennon

Dawn Meredith
10-09-2015, 12:55 PM
Lennon would be seventy five today. "Even after all these years, I still miss you when you're not here".

Magda Hassan
10-09-2015, 02:27 PM
Lennon would be seventy five today. "Even after all these years, I still miss you when you're not here".

I saw Yoko Ono just turned 80 the other day too.

Albert Doyle
10-09-2015, 03:10 PM
Another year of Yoko staying quiet about Lennon's CIA assassination.


Lennon wasn't known for holding back what he thought. I wonder what he would have thought of Yoko holing up in luxury while nobody did anything about his CIA assassination?

Dawn Meredith
10-09-2015, 09:33 PM
Another year of Yoko staying quiet about Lennon's CIA assassination.


Lennon wasn't known for holding back what he thought. I wonder what he would have thought of Yoko holing up in luxury while nobody did anything about his CIA assassination?

Maybe she fears for Sean's life. It's what they did to the Kennedys.

Ashley Wood
10-12-2015, 12:07 AM
Lennon would be seventy five today. "Even after all these years, I still miss you when you're not here".

I saw Yoko Ono just turned 80 the other day too.
her birthday is in february. i believe she's 82, born in 1933.