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Anthony Thorne
10-25-2010, 10:53 AM
Hey everyone, I posted sporadically over at the JFK Education Forum, but it's a pleasure to discover this new forum and the topics discussed here. This is my kind of site.

There's a book I've been reading recently on 9/11, and I haven't seen it mentioned elsewhere on the forum here yet (I could be wrong) so I thought I'd start a discussion about it. I have a very positive impression of the book so far, but find it slightly surreal that there has been little discussion of it to date elsewhere online. I suspect that others here could offer some knowledgeable commentary on it, so I wanted to bring up the subject. I've raised the topic here rather than in the book forum as detailed discussion of the book (if anyone takes the bait) will be very 9/11 specific. I think there's a great deal to discuss with this one, so please bear with me.

There's an obscure writer by the name of E.P.Heidner who wrote a couple of articles on the 9/11 attacks back in 2007/2008 called 'Collateral Damage'. (If you Google around you can find Heidner's articles - the first is called 'Collateral Damage: U.S. Covert Operations and the Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001' and the second is 'Collateral Damage (Part 2) - The Subprime Crisis and the Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001'.) Anyway, reading a recent blog article by Deanna Spingola, I found reference in the footnotes to an 'unpublished' book on 9/11 by the same author - Heidner - that was reportedly quite detailed and illuminating on the subject. It took me a while to find it (I've got a shelf of around 20 9/11 books and have read hundreds of blogs and articles on the subject, but I don't believe I've heard of anyone discussing this book by Heidner until recently) but here it is.

THE SEPTEMBER 11 COMMISSION REPORT (a title that doesn't really do the book justice, I have to say) is an amazing piece of deep political research - kind of a cross between Ruppert's CROSSING THE RUBICON, Tarpley's SYNTHETIC TERROR, and Peter Dale Scott's books - which appears to be loaded with new material regarding the background to and development of the attacks, who planned it, how they did it, how it unfolded and why, all credibly ascertained from hundreds of different articles and sources. It answered to my satisfaction a good number of questions I've had for years about the events of the day, and ties into much I've read elsewhere on the subject, whilst simultaneously referencing a lot of new and important material. There's a lot of discussion on the criminal ties of the NeoCons to rogue elements within foreign intelligence agencies that I've never seen laid out in such detail anywhere else, and articles that I read years ago on obscure news sites have been dug back up and gleaned for info that all neatly fits into a long, detailed narrative. This isn't a simple replay of Griffin's NEW PEARL HARBOR or yet another recounting of, say, all the factual oddities surrounding building 7 (though a chapter does cover the building collapses, again with a lot of new info) - this is a whole new ballgame which brings a massive amount of new info to the table. New stuff on Atta, the deep background of the Office of Naval Intelligence at the Pentagon, who the people probably were behind Cheney, the importance of targeting the respective agencies in WTC7, new links between the hijackers and the probable conspirators - an absolutely massive amount of new stuff, and all, to me, quite convincing. You'll have to read it to see what I mean, but there's no denying that Heidner seems to have done his homework. David Guyatt's work is referenced, a section on the assassination of Reagan makes use of comments by John Judge, the 'Far West' company referenced by Peter Dale Scott in an article by him on 9/11 is covered in depth, and links between the Iran-Contra conspirators and the likely culprits surrounding 9/11 are examined in great detail. In essence, the book makes an extremely detailed case for the deliberate targeting of WTC 7, various financial entities located within the twin towers, and the Office of Naval Intelligence at the Pentagon, and then elaborates as to how various parties with prior knowledge aided and exploited the attacks for their own gain. The amount of detail is almost overpowering at times, but largely holds true for me as I read it. In its breadth of research and careful analysis I think this is the most important book to appear within the 9/11 truth movement in a long time.

Also of interest is the fact that the book is currently available to read for free. It's available as a PDF of 381 pages at the following Scribd link (Scribd seem to want a $5 download fee or something unless you upload a document in return, so I've provided a mirror link beneath).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17233336/S...-December-2008 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/17233336/September-11-Commission-Report-Revised-December-2008)

That Scribd link works fine (and offers a brief preview of early pages) but if anyone prefers a quicker method I've re-upped the PDF at this link where anyone can download it for free at a moment's notice.

[2012 update to this post - the Megaupload link I included here onetime has gone kaput with the demise of that service, but the Scribd link above still works fine and offers the complete download].

I printed a copy of it at a local print shop recently and have been reading it over the last couple of weeks with my jaw on the floor. If any of the regulars are curious, please download the PDF (or follow the Scribd link) and have a look. This is a better, more detailed book on 9/11 than some of the ones I've bought from Amazon for $20 or more, and it's already adjusted my perspective slightly on who was involved and how everything played out. All the same figures and nationalities are there, but there are some new, lesser known characters that this book brings into bold relief for (to my eyes) the first time, and some old topics are gone into here with a lot of fresh detail and an aggressive effort to join the dots in an eye-opening manner. A knockout book. The author should really give it a better title, but this is an amazing read. I'm open to sections being 'debunked' or criticized or questioned by any of the posters on this board, but I'd love to hear some commentary on the book as a whole once people read it or browse through it, as there's very little discussion elsewhere about this book online, and in a funny way I'm still struggling to decide what I actually make of the whole thing.

Magda Hassan
10-25-2010, 11:31 AM
Welcome to the forum Anthony! Lovely to have you here. Thanks for the 911 book. I haven't seen it before but it does look interesting....

Peter Presland
10-31-2010, 08:08 PM
Another belated welcome Anthony.

From a brief scan the book looks interesting. It clearly echoes much of this WikiSpooks (https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it) article

Anthony Thorne
11-02-2010, 10:09 AM
The book makes mention of Israeli involvement but gives equal time to a number of other players, including a lot of the Iran-Contra participants and various shady figures from the worlds of high-finance arms dealing and drug trafficking. Books like Bollyn's SOLVING 9/11 and Greg Felton's ENEMIES BY DESIGN do push the Israeli angle quite strongly, I've noticed. The Heidner book does a good job of making the Mossad one of a number of suspects working in tandem with others, and doesn't depict them as being the key instigator as much as Bollyn and Felton do.

Ed Jewett
11-03-2010, 02:58 AM
I've just cracked this open for the first time and have scanned it quickly but not deeply or thoroughly. I'll write more. I've begun to share it others who can read along .... Yes, there are common names and common themes from yesteryear.

Ed Jewett
06-04-2011, 04:12 AM
I am glad I revisited this thread. Yes, I had cracked the Heidner material but, sometime thereafter, my computer crashed and I forgot all about it, lost the link, etc. Go go gadget eyes...

James Lewis
06-08-2011, 10:16 AM
Wow...talk about explosive. From what I've read so far, which is only about 100 pages, it seems that this is very well-reported, well-researched stuff that suggests that he may just be on the right track about who was actually behind the attacks, and why. Funny also, that so many of the names referenced in this book seem to pop up time and again when tales of international crimes are told. Adnan Khashoggi, Richard Secord, George H. W. Bush, and others. Funny also that Jim Hougan wrote about a lot of these guys in his book Spooks, which was written in 1979, a full six years before the Iran-Contra scandal broke cover. As you'll see as you read the book, Iran-Contra is a major connecting string in his narrative. Strange...and scary, when you think about it

Kyle Burnett
06-08-2011, 08:15 PM
I read some of the first "Collateral Damage" soon after it turned up, and found it to be a well crafted mix of some good information with a lot of dubious sources and speculation, and what little I've skimmed from "E.P. Heidner" since then proved to be more of the same. James, is there any chance you would quote a potion of the "The September 11 Commission" which you find particularly impressive?

James Lewis
06-09-2011, 03:45 AM
Well, Kyle, I've only just skimmed the surface, but it doesn't seem like completely wild speculation, like some books I've recently read. It seems very well researched, and I think he did his homework. I know some of it seems improbable, but it's not impossible, and if only one-quarter of what he says is true, we're talking about one of the biggest crimes in history, above and beyond just the 9/11 attacks. Now, from the book: From pages 14-16

"There was a diversified group of American, Canadian, Russian, Swiss and
German business executives (bankers and traders) and government officials that
allowed the attack on the World Trade Center to happen, and prevented the true
story of what happened from being told, for the purposes of financial gain and
protection from prosecution for complicity in illegal gold laundering activity and
the fraudulent sale of gold backed securities. Under Federal law 18 U.S.C. 371 –
Conspiracy Statute, they are equally guilty as if they had initiated the decision.
This group includes, but is not limited to Adnan Khashoggi; Kamal Adham;
George Bush Sr.; Tye Burt- former Chairman of Deutsche Bank Canada and
Deutsche Bank Alex Brown Securities Canada; Otto Pohl, former President of the
German central bank (Bundesbank) and chief officer of the International Bank of
Settlements and IMF; Edgar Bronfman and Mayo Shattuck, who left his position
as CEO of Deutschebank America on September 12, 2001 and is financial advisor
to Khashoggi and Bronfman. The circumstances leading to this conclusion are:

1. There are between 6,000 and 280,000 tonnes of illegal, stolen gold stored in
bullion banks throughout the world. This gold needs to be laundered. This
gold has been stolen from the national treasuries of the Philippines, Soviet
Union, France, and Czechoslovakia. There are numerous sources that identify
George Bush Sr. and Adnan Khashoggi, with Ferdinand Marcos, as
extensively involved in the theft of the Philippines treasury.
2. Commodity experts that watch the gold market have made claims that
significant, inexplicable amounts of gold were showing up in the market
throughout the 1990s. These increases are attributed to ‘gold futures’ sales -
in the absence of any other explanation.
3. There has been no known formal investigation into the possible laundering of
this gold other than possibly the FBI investigation buried in the World Trade
Center. This investigation was linked to the GATA/Howe lawsuit against the
bullion banks, including the Deutsche Bank.
4. A significant group of powerful individuals, with demonstrated links to the
movement of illegal gold, have been directly involved in the creation of a gold
producing company, which was in a court battle over the legality of some of
its trades. (It resulted in a sealed agreement in January of 2006.) A significant
group of these individuals have a history of connections to money laundering
activity. These groups include George Bush Sr., Adnan Khashoggi, Khalid
bin Mahfouz and Edgar Bronfman.
5. The success of this company in gold hedging defies expert industry expert
comprehension. The company has been extremely successful mining land that
industry experts thought was “doubtful” in its potential. These inexplicable
conditions could be explained under a hypothesis of gold laundering.
6. Two of the individuals (Khashoggi and Mahfouz) that started, controlled and
owned significant portions of this gold company are the same people that
started, controlled and owned a company that staged and ‘trained’ eleven of
the 9/11 hijackers, who were involved in the destruction of the World Trade
Center. This ‘terrorist’ event effectively ended the FBI investigation of global
gold trades this company was involved in."

German, Swiss, Russian and Saudi financial executives, combined with their U.S.
business partners (Carlyle Group) initially requested the attack on the World
Trade Center for the purposes of:
1. Stopping a series of on-going FBI and other federal agency investigations
which were in the process of exposing multi-billion dollar, illegal, gold and
money laundering activities and securities fraud. Tracking transactions into
and out of accounts of individuals associated with these investigations would
have exposed the:
· illegal retention of the national bullion treasuries of the Soviet Union, the
Philippines, France, Czechoslovakia, Japan, Kazakhstan, Angola and
more, as well as
· the major participation of the “Bush Family” in the Bank of New
York/Russian Mafiya money-laundering scandal, with its ultimate source
of funding in the Bardy/Durham bond fraud of September 11, 1991;
2. Destroying potentially incriminating Deutschebank and US Export-Import
bank records and investigative reports (FBI, SEC, Secret Service, IRS, US
Customs, NY State Tax Auditors) associated with those gold and money
laundering and securities fraud activities;
3. Enhancing their competitiveness and short term profitability in the European
investment banking market; and
4. Revenge against “United States and its economy” for past economic
transgressions against the German banking industry.

"The pinpointed targets of the 9/11 hijackers were the North Tower (FBI offices on
floors 23 and 24 and the Cantor Fitzgerald offices), Building 7 (various Federal
investigative agencies), the Pentagon (Office of Naval Investigation), and the
South Tower (Eurobrokers and the NY State Tax Investigation Department).
Flight 93, delayed for 40 minutes at the gate and downed in Pennsylvania, was
probably intended for Building 7. Building 6 (US Customs) was destroyed by an
internal explosion. These buildings were targeted because they housed the
investigative offices and evidence of multiple investigations into money and gold
laundering and securities fraud."



I read some of the first "Collateral Damage" soon after it turned up, and found it to be a well crafted mix of some good information with a lot of dubious sources and speculation, and what little I've skimmed from "E.P. Heidner" since then proved to be more of the same. James, is there any chance you would quote a potion of the "The September 11 Commission" which you find particularly impressive?

Kyle Burnett
06-09-2011, 04:52 AM
James, starting from the top of the "circumstances leading to" the stated conclusion, do you have any idea how the claim that "There are between 6,000 and 280,000 tonnes of illegal, stolen gold stored in bullion banks throughout the world" was derived?

Peter Lemkin
06-09-2011, 05:29 AM
It is fairly well documented that the large amounts [total not revealed to public] of gold in several vaults in WTC 6, I believe were emptied JUST before the 'events' = foreknowledge. One truck still loaded with gold, but with the drivers gone = foreknowledge was found underground. Too bad David Guyatt is not here now anymore. He's an expert on Gold and would explain that most gold is in fact stolen or subject to magic accounting, etc. This is one of the more important and least researched aspects of 911. More attention has been paid to the stock and futures trading, which I consider less important. Follow the gold!

Kyle Burnett
06-09-2011, 05:45 AM
It is fairly well documented that the large amounts [total not revealed to public] of gold in several vaults in WTC 6, I believe were emptied JUST before the 'events' = foreknowledge.
Sure, WTC 4 actually, one can find a good writeup on that here (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/gold.html). However, what about the supposed "between 6,000 and 280,000 tonnes of...gold...stolen from the national treasuries of the Philippines, Soviet Union, France, and Czechoslovakia"? How in the world is that claim derived?

Ed Jewett
06-09-2011, 06:26 AM
It is fairly well documented that the large amounts [total not revealed to public] of gold in several vaults in WTC 6, I believe were emptied JUST before the 'events' = foreknowledge. One truck still loaded with gold, but with the drivers gone = foreknowledge was found underground. Too bad David Guyatt is not here now anymore. He's an expert on Gold and would explain that most gold is in fact stolen or subject to magic accounting, etc. This is one of the more important and least researched aspects of 911. More attention has been paid to the stock and futures trading, which I consider less important. Follow the gold!

I agree with you in re: David Guyatt but, in his absence, one thing we can do is to go on over to History Commons and their 9/11 timeline and do a search for the simple word "gold". Here, already done (http://www.historycommons.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext=gold&events=on&entities=on&articles=on&topics=on&timelines=on&projects=on&titles=on&descriptions=on&dosearch=on&search=Go), are the three primary entries (there may be others far deeper)...:


Large amounts of gold are stored in vaults in the massive basement below the WTC, and some of this is being transported through the basement this morning. Several weeks later, recovery workers will discover hundreds of ingots in a service tunnel below WTC 5, along with a ten-wheel lorry and some cars (which were, presumably, transporting the gold) (see (Mid-October-mid November 2001)). The lorry and cars had been crushed by falling steel, but no bodies will be reported found with them, so presumably they were abandoned before the first WTC collapse, at 9:59 a.m. [NEW YORK DAILY NEWS, 10/31/2001; LONDON TIMES, 11/1/2001]

Workers at Ground Zero discover large amounts of gold and other precious metals stored below the ruins of the WTC. As debris is removed they are able to access parts of the 16-acre WTC basement, which drops 70 feet below ground level. Precious metals are stored in numerous vaults within this area. The London Times says the quantity of these “has been a carefully guarded secret,” but estimates $750 million of gold and silver in vaults belonging to the Comex metals trading division of the New York Mercantile Exchange. There appears to have been an attempt, since 9/11, to break into a Comex vault containing $200 million of precious metals belonging to the Bank of Nova Scotia. A government official involved in the recovery work says, “It looked like they used a blowtorch, a crowbar,” but a bank spokeswoman denies there has been any attempted break-in. The banks later states that “All of the silver, gold, platinum, and palladium stored in its vaults at 4 World Trade Center” has been relocated to a depository in Brooklyn. Other gold is discovered in a service tunnel below WTC 5. According to the London Times, this was being transported through the tunnel on the morning of 9/11 (see (Before 9:59 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [NEW YORK DAILY NEWS, 10/31/2001; LONDON TIMES, 11/1/2001; NEW YORK TIMES, 11/1/2001; REUTERS, 11/17/2001]

New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani angers firefighters when he decides to severely reduce the number of them that can search for remains at Ground Zero. Until now, up to 300 firefighters at a time have been involved in the search and recovery effort. Giuliani’s decision will mean no more than 25 at a time can do so in future. The International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) later alleges that, also at this time, Giuliani makes “a conscious decision to institute a ‘scoop-and-dump’ operation to expedite the clean-up of Ground Zero in lieu of the more time-consuming, but respectful, process of removing debris piece by piece in hope of uncovering more remains.” So far, the bodies or remains of 101 firefighters have been recovered, out of the 343 who died at the World Trade Center on 9/11. According to the IAFF, the mayor refuses to even meet with local union presidents about the decision. Due to the ensuing public outcry, Giuliani will modify his policy and allow firefighters back on the pile at Ground Zero. The remains of another 113 firefighters will subsequently be found. The IAFF later alleges that “the mayor’s switch to a scoop-and-dump coincided with the final removal of tens of millions of dollars of gold, silver and other assets of the Bank of Nova Scotia that were buried beneath what was once the towers” (see (Mid-October-mid November 2001)). “Once the money was out, Giuliani sided with the developers that opposed a lengthy recovery effort, and ordered the scoop-and-dump operation so they could proceed with redevelopment.” [FIREFIGHTING NEWS (.COM), 3/8/2007; BLOOMBERG, 3/9/2007; ASSOCIATED PRESS, 3/10/2007] IAFF President Harold Schaitberger later says, “in my opinion, it was more important for him [to] find the gold than it was to continue to find and recover remains.” [MSNBC, 7/12/2007]
Entity Tags: Rudolph (“Rudy”) Giuliani, International Association of Fire Fighters, New York City Fire Department

Ed Jewett
06-09-2011, 06:40 AM
Research on the writings of Catherine Austin Fitts, or direct inquiry of her through her website at Solari, might assist in some understanding; she was one of the very first people to "go public" on the 9/11 attacks with the claims that it was a financial crime first and foremost. In addition to the questions about the gold, there are the insider trading allegations, the hard drives buried in the rubble and then in Convar (which underwent a series of acquisitions by companies alleged to have been involved in the crimes, thus closing off any disclosure of their findings in re-constructing the hard drives), the Enron matter then in litigation and whose records were supposedly stored in WTC7, etc. Much of this is not necessarily indicative of who organized the endeavor so much as the activities that were undertaken ("collateral crimes") once the endeavor was known to be going down.

James Lewis
06-09-2011, 06:52 AM
From "Black Eagle Trust Fund":

"Emboldened by the lack of consequences for subverting the U.S. constitution and breaking international law during the Iran-Contra scandal of the 1980s, a Bush administration group known as “the Vulcans” planned a bigger drive to crush Communism once and for all. They waged war against the Soviet Union and Iraq under George H.W. Bush, and against Iraq and Afghanistan under George W. Bush. Belonging to this group were Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Armitage, and Condoleezza Rice."

"The Vulcan’s drive to bring an end to the Cold War was fueled by a covert war chest invisible to congressional oversight. This war chest would be known by several names: Black Eagle Trust, the Marcos gold, Yamashita’s Gold, the Golden Lily Treasure, the Durham Trust or Project Hammer. The program also seems to have lined the pockets of the individuals that executed this policy. This was done to the tune of a staggering $240 billion dollars in covert and allegedly illegal bonds, which appear to have been replaced with Treasury notes backed by U.S. taxpayers in the aftermath of September 11."


"To this key group of senior National Security officials called the Vulcans, who had participated in the victory of the economic cold war in 1991, the WTC, the Pentagon, the four airliners and their occupants would became ‘collateral’ damage in the ending of the Cold War. Their deaths were required to hide the existence of the Black Eagle Trust, and the covert activities it had funded for over 50 years. The destruction of these lives and buildings constituted a cover-up of continued lawlessness by a fraternity or brotherhood of businessmen and criminals often referred to as ‘the Enterprise’ in the 1980s, though it has remained in the shadows since."

"Numerous sources have documented that at the end of WWII, the treasury of the Japanese Empire was discovered in the Philippines by a staff member of General Charles Willoughby, [Edward Lansdale], who was General MacArthur’s chief of Intelligence. Then known as the Golden Lily Treasure, this mass of wealth had been accumulated by the Japanese through over fifty years of pillaging by its army in Southeast Asia and China. It was deposited in the Philippines due to the U.S. submarine blockade of Japan. Reports vary, but documents in the public domain suggest the recovered treasure was in excess of 280,000 metric tonnes of gold, not including jewels and diamonds. After the War [Lansdale] tortured Major Kojima Kashii – General Yamashita Tomoyuki’s driver – until he revealed and created a map of the gold sites."

"Lansdale briefed Assistant Secretary of War John J. McCloy about the findings, and a U.S. Cabinet level decision was made to confiscate the gold and cover-up its discovery. The gold would be added to the Black Eagle Trust fund. It was McCloy, along with Secretary of the Navy Robert B. Anderson and Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson who created the Black Eagle Trust.

John McCloy, who had shared a box at the 1936 Olympics with Adolph Hitler, went on to become President of the World Bank. Robert Anderson would go on to operate the Commercial Exchange Bank in the British West Indies, be convicted of running illegal banking operations and tax evasion, and be sentenced to prison. A fourth member of that group – William ‘Wild Bill’ Donovan – would go on to found the CIA and distribute the gold to key banks represented by his staffers.

The trust they created takes its name from the Nazi Black Eagle stamped on the gold bars of the Third Reich. Gold bullion confiscated from the Reich and not returned to its rightful owners and their heirs was the original source of funding for this trust. Over the years, the significance of the Nazi gold would pale in comparison to the confiscated Japanese treasure."




James, starting from the top of the "circumstances leading to" the stated conclusion, do you have any idea how the claim that "There are between 6,000 and 280,000 tonnes of illegal, stolen gold stored in bullion banks throughout the world" was derived?

Kyle Burnett
06-09-2011, 07:13 AM
From "Black Eagle Trust Fund":
More unsourced claims from E.P. Heidner don't rightly do anything to substantiate unsourced claims from E.P. Heidner. Who is E.P. Heidner anyway?

James Lewis
06-09-2011, 07:49 AM
http://www.wanttoknow.info/911/Collateral-Damage-911-black_eagle_fund_trust.pdf

Read the footnotes at the end of the article.



From "Black Eagle Trust Fund":
More unsourced claims from E.P. Heidner don't rightly do anything to substantiate unsourced claims from E.P. Heidner. Who is E.P. Heidner anyway?

James Lewis
06-09-2011, 08:27 AM
Of course, the Ed Lansdale mentioned in the piece is the same General Edward Lansdale who has been fingered by more than one JFK researcher, chief among them Fletcher Prouty, as being one of the main forces behind JFK's assassination. And Prouty was in a position to know.

Kyle Burnett
06-09-2011, 09:19 AM
Read the footnotes at the end of the article.
Ah, I didn't expect footnotes in the article since the book lacks them, but now I see the claim "documents in the public domain suggest the recovered treasure was in excess of 280,000 metric tonnes of gold" has a book listed as it's source rather than naming any actual documents, another book lacking footnotes no less. The Google preview of the book (http://books.google.com/books?id=Qp55OCtxugEC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false) unfortunately doesn't contain the page cited, and what can be seen of does nothing to inspire confidence in it as a legitimate source of information.


Of course, the Ed Lansdale mentioned in the piece is the same General Edward Lansdale who has been fingered by more than one JFK researcher, chief among them Fletcher Prouty, as being one of the main forces behind JFK's assassination.
Yeah, that is one of the things that has me suspecting "E.P. Heidner" might just be a pseudonym for a disinformation operation, as while mention of Lansdale is bound to perk the ear of anyone familiar with deep politics, the source cited for that mention is dubious at best.

James Lewis
06-09-2011, 09:24 AM
Well, if you don't think Heidner is reliable, maybe you should check out David Guyatt's piece on the same matter. And he would be in a position to know what he's talking about.

http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/the_spoils_of_war.htm




Read the footnotes at the end of the article.
Ah, I didn't expect footnotes in the article since the book lacks them, but now I see the claim "documents in the public domain suggest the recovered treasure was in excess of 280,000 metric tonnes of gold" has a book listed as it's source rather than naming any actual documents, another book lacking footnotes no less. The Google preview of the book (http://books.google.com/books?id=Qp55OCtxugEC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false) unfortunately doesn't contain the page cited, and what can be seen of does nothing to inspire confidence in it as a legitimate source of information.


Of course, the Ed Lansdale mentioned in the piece is the same General Edward Lansdale who has been fingered by more than one JFK researcher, chief among them Fletcher Prouty, as being one of the main forces behind JFK's assassination.
Yeah, that is one of the things that has me suspecting "E.P. Heidner" might just be a pseudonym for a disinformation operation, as while mention of Lansdale is bound to perk the ear of anyone familiar with deep politics, the source cited for that mention is dubious at best.

James Lewis
06-09-2011, 09:46 AM
Below are a couple of excerpts from the book explaining his methodology. You may do with it what you will. From the Preface:


This project started with a curiosity about the questionable circumstances surrounding the
murder of Nick Berg, a US entrepreneur in Iraq who reportedly was in the wrong place at
the wrong time. That curiosity led to research, which led to this report. Herein is a story
– a true story - that needs to be told. Even without the ‘need’ for it to be told, it represents
a mesmerizing story of intrigue, assassination, mystery, scandal, fraud, theft, cover-up,
and twisted patriotism. It is a true story about real individuals, the list of which includes
terrorists, spies (KGB, Mossad, CIA, FBI), murder victims, assassinated corporate heads,
politicians, billionaires, international bank board members, Russian Mafiya, American
mafia, Nazis, an Imperial family, and even a Grand Master of the Teutonic Order
(Templars) from the crusades! It is a story about money laundering, illegal gold,
securities fraud, conflict diamonds, weapons trading, drugs, espionage and international
stock market manipulation. It is a story about a several layers of façade and false leads.
It is a story in which the motive for the crime is measured in hundreds of billions of
dollars, and has relatively little to do with oil. It is a story which explains the execution
of seemingly innocent civilians in Iraq, the attack on the World Trade Center, and the
attack on the US economy. It is a story that provides coherent meaning to what has been
viewed as a collage of seemingly inconsistent, contradictory, inexplicable and just plain
inconvenient facts.
The search for an acceptable explanation for the death of Nick Berg in the summer of
2004 engendered more questions than answers – at first. The answers to these questions
resulted in an interpretation of current events in the Middle East and the US that seemed
far removed from any currently available explanations or hypotheses. The conclusion of
this investigation is that Nick Berg was in all likelihood an agent of an Israeli secret
service, executed by elements of the Israeli secret service, for reasons that are explained
in the report. That hypothesis was so seemingly incredible that it begged “challenging.”
The hypothesis has been challenged numerous times, and each time there are multiple
accounts in the media that provide answers that are consistent with the conclusions
presented in the research. Examples of such “if –then” tests (such as if X happened, then
shouldn’t Y happen?) are:
• If the hypothesis used to explain the reasons for Nick Berg’s execution is accurate,
shouldn’t it also be valid for subsequent executions by the same group? (It is!)
· If the Deutsche Bank was attempting to cover-up illicit gold movements, should one
expect to find news which links the Deutsche Bank to illicit gold hoardings, measured
in hundreds of tonnes? (There are such reports!)
· If the German banking cartel had responsibility for initiating the September 11 attack,
should one be able to demonstrate their ability to activate Muslim and Mossad agents.
(It can be demonstrated, with multiple connections.)
In none of the testing of hypotheses did the available information contradict one of the
major conclusions of this paper: the official US government interpretation of terrorist
activity confronting America is deliberately misleading, and the list of “bad guys” is
totally different than what the public has been led to believe"

From the next piece, "Methodology":

Please note that this report generally follows several important rules of research:
 This report uses as many independent sources as possible, rather than relying on
government press releases and mainstream media. In this report, there is evidence
from U.S. agents themselves, that the US government has forced a CIA translator, a
CIA agent and three FBI agents to fabricate and distort information on the 9/11
investigation. These people are in court to bring out the truth, and protect themselves
from repercussions. These five are only the ones coming forward publicly. The
public needs to ask - how many more remain silent? (Internet reports suggest up to
200 government agents are ready to testify against the administration.) There is also
evidence from two college professors that the CIA deliberately falsified video-tape
evidence. There is evidence presented from Underwriter Laboratories that the
government has presented false information.
 Questions are best formulated by studying a situation and asking “What information
is missing?” With the hundreds of investigative reporters in the world attempting to
uncover the truth about 9/11, major points of evidence are totally ignored by the US
government and many conspiracy theorists, and treated as ‘inconvenient’ facts. This
report does not ignore them. Surprisingly, there is a strong coherency to what are
reported as coincidences and inconsistencies – and all the “wild conspiracy theories”
actually hang together.
 This reports looks at these events as crimes rather than political terrorist activities
which are intended to create fear. The basic rules for identifying “who did it” still
apply: motive, opportunity, weapon, and ‘follow the money.’
 If one uses the same standard of evidence as applied under the Uniform Code of
Military Justice to the alleged terrorists appearing before military tribunals, then
hearsay evidence is acceptable.
 Some readers may conclude this report attempts to establish guilt by association and
character, an invalid principle in the U.S. courtroom. Guilt is determined by due
process – not a report. There are Constitutional processes for determining guilt, and
this report does not seek to supplant them. However, the American criminal justice
system has established and sanctioned two practices which are based on guilt by
association and characterization: profiling and prosecution under the RICO
conspiracy laws. This report assumes that if an organization (or partnership) has
several key members that are publicly associated (not necessarily convicted) with
similar criminal activity, activities of the entire organization warrant suspicion. If
publicly available information about that organization reinforces those suspicions,
those suspicions should be investigated and reported. That is what this report does – it
summarizes that information and suggests that a different theory explaining the
attacks of September 11 is consistent with the facts ignored by the official 9/11
Commission. Current interpretations of events in the Middle East (either that of the
US Government or various conspiracy theorists) do not help us understand the facts
as they are known today. There are too many dangling leads.
This report attempts to address the ‘loose ends’ in this interpretation of the news.
Major crimes have been committed and not one person has been convicted.
“Terrorists” charged for supporting 9/11 in Germany and Spain have been found not guilty. Osama Bin Laden
is not charged with 9/11 on the FBI’s “Ten Most Wanted” list because the FBI has no
evidence connecting him to the crime. This report attempts to redefine leads that
might result in holding people accountable for their crimes.
This research represents a significant paradigm shift from most of the September 11
research available. That shift is brought about by two very significant challenges created
by the information presented.
· The first challenge: look at all the information before assigning guilt. Much of the
current criticism of American public officials involved in cover-up activities has a
tendency to focus on the ‘American and Israeli participants.’ Another large band of
criticism is saved for the Saudi royal family, because of their familial relations to
Osama Bin Laden and significant financial contributions to American politics.
However, if one looks at the record of how these American and Saudi officials
actually executed their operations (ranging from criminal to legal, but generally
considered unscrupulous) there is a consistent participation by the Russian/Israeli
Mafiya and the German banking cartel, which includes certain Swiss banks. As one
digs deeper, one finds the Russian/Israeli Mafiya are quite significantly involved in
these events, and the bank cartel may well be the greatest benefactor of the crime and
cover-up. The research paradigm must include foreign nationals from Germany and
Russia.
· The second challenge: the timing of the attack on the WTC suggests a pace of events
where the planners were comfortable with a two-to-three year execution phase. A
decision to destroy the WTC was made in 1999 or 1998, with the key ‘hijackers’ in
that plot being assigned in early 1999. The research paradigm needs to be focused on
events in 1998 and 1999, not the events in January through July of 2001. Similarly,
in suggesting that the maturity date of 10 year gold backed bonds issued on
September 11, 1991 was a significant factor in the timing of the attack, that period
needs to be understood as well.
Addressing these two challenges will lead to the conclusion that a German/Swiss bank
cartel undertook a decision in 1998 to destroy a number of US investigations that
threatened their illegally gained wealth. Adnan Khashoggi was the common thread in
most of those investigations, so the Cartel would have needed to approach him as well as
Edgar Bronfman, Khashoggi’s business partner. They in turn, would have most likely
approached their old colleagues: Bush Sr., Secord, Armitage, Kimche, and Azima. These
five, in turn, would have used the foot-soldiers at their disposal: Al Qaeda and the
Russian/Israeli Mafiya.
This investigation is not an attempt to support a particular political viewpoint. In the end,
there is no final proof and there is no confession. If there was a confession, it would
disappear as if it never existed, and every mention of it would be erased. People who
present information critical of the Iran-Contra Syndicate often commit suicide within 24
hours, and their reports disappear (e.g., Brad Doucette, John Millis and Gary Webb). A
list of nineteen such murdered individuals is compiled in this report.
The crimes described here-in are very complex, and executed by both professional and vicious
criminals. The cover-up of these crimes is done by people who cause their accusers and
whistleblowers to lose promotions, jobs, freedom and possibly even lives. While “proof”
is hard to come by, there is a very compelling case of circumstantial evidence. The
explanation provides better answers for more of the open issues than the official 9/11
Commission Report. It also provides a better explanation than suggested by a number of
conspiracy theorists who suggest the Bush administration and CIA or Israeli government
are at fault. All three of those explanations leave too many unanswered questions, and
none really explain the reason the World Trade Center was brought down with a series of
explosions, or how suspicious trading indicated there were those with foreknowledge of
the crime. Conspiracy theorists also like to conveniently forget that the attack on the
World Trade Center was planned and initiated before the Republican National
Convention, before George Bush Jr. was even an official candidate for President, much
less President. Moreover, there is nothing in the historical record to suggest he is capable
of architecting such a solution.
At the end of the day, it’s always about the money, and the money trail points to none of
the official suspects – Osama Bin Laden or Al Qaeda. However, even after identifying a
more realistic suspect, there is no good news in this story for anyone. It is still a story
about corrupt and greedy people – however noble they thought their intentions – they are
directly responsible for the unnecessary death and suffering of thousands and thousands
of innocent people like your parents, children and friends, for no reason other than selfgratification
and ego.

Res Ipsa Loquitur - the thing speaks for itself

James Lewis
06-09-2011, 11:09 AM
All I know is this. I've been looking into the things that he mentions - Nick Berg, the stolen gold, and from what I've been able to determine, his sources for the most part seem to be on point. And if only one-quarter of what he says is true, we're not just talking about the crime of the century. We're talking about the crime of the centuries. And Heidner is not the only person who has said that 9/11 was over finances rather than terrorism. Catherine Fitts has said much the same thing, and she was certainly in a position to at least know something. Sherlock Holmes once said that detective work was about eliminating the impossible, because once you eliminated the impossible, whatever you have left, however improbable, has to be the truth. Because that's all that's left. And I realize that a lot of what he says seems improbable, but it certainly isn't impossible. And we have to look at it from that viewpoint.

Tracy Riddle
01-19-2014, 02:36 PM
Here's a link to a PDF of Heidner's book. I'm going through the Collateral Damage articles and find them very impressive.

http://usa-the-republic.com/items%20of%20interest/September-11-Commission-Report-Revised-December-2008.pdf

David Guyatt
01-19-2014, 04:51 PM
Here's a link to a PDF of Heidner's book. I'm going through the Collateral Damage articles and find them very impressive.

http://usa-the-republic.com/items%20of%20interest/September-11-Commission-Report-Revised-December-2008.pdf

Thanks Tracy. It does look interesting, but I am suspicious even at first glance.

The format layout presents itself as an official US government report, and that obviously sets immediate alarms bells ringing. Why would any writer do that other than to deceive readers about it's true nature?

On the title page are the words ISBN. But an ISBN is not actually stated.

Besides this what does anyone know about the author - the name of whom is mysteriously missing from the title page and, in fact, anywhere else in the publication. What author purposefully eclipses their name from a work like this? Has this guy ever been interviewed, are there pictures of him, a checkable background etc?

I will put this on my ever growing "to read" pile. There's been a heck of a lot of work gone into it --- 380 pages and really quite professional looking too. But it smacks to me - in this first analysis anyway - as probable disinformation or possibly worse.

Lauren Johnson
01-19-2014, 04:58 PM
Here's a link to a PDF of Heidner's book. I'm going through the Collateral Damage articles and find them very impressive.

http://usa-the-republic.com/items%20of%20interest/September-11-Commission-Report-Revised-December-2008.pdf

Thanks Tracy. It does look interesting, but I am suspicious even at first glance.

The format layout presents itself as an official US government report, and that obviously sets immediate alarms bells ringing. Why would any writer do that other than to deceive readers about it's true nature?

On the title page are the words ISBN. But an ISBN is not actually stated.

Besides this what does anyone know about the author - the name of whom is mysteriously missing from the title page and, in fact, anywhere else in the publication. What author purposefully eclipses their name from a work like this? Has this guy ever been interviewed, are there pictures of him, a checkable background etc?

I will put this on my ever growing "to read" pile. There's been a heck of a lot of work gone into it --- 380 pages and really quite professional looking too. But it smacks to me - in this first analysis anyway - as probable disinformation or possibly worse.

As I recall, having read this book some time ago, I regarded the Official USG report as a literary device. Will have to look at it again.

David Guyatt
01-19-2014, 05:08 PM
I'm going to answer my own question. No one really knows who the purported author really is, but I think I may know.

I just Googled E P Heidner and found a dormant blogspot (http://epheidner.blogspot.co.uk) in his name.

When people begin talking about Mrs. V K Durham and reporting her nonsense as the unadulterated truth, I cringe.

There are, in fact, two different and very persistent groups of grifters (to my knowledge anyway) who spend an inordinate amount of time and energy working on publishing stuff like this, as they believe it will help to validate phoney assets they wish to translate into ready cash. At one time or another both groups contacted me in the past.

One of them wanted me to write a book based on their research (as if), the other spent months and months trying to hook me into doing something, but we never reached the point where that something was ever openly stated. Just hints. I told both groups to fuck off after giving a sufficient length of rope to hang themselves. And both did themselves justice in the hanging department, I have to say.

So my best guess is that this guy is a member, probably of the American group, rather than the far eastern group. They were quite political in anti Bush family sense (can't blame them for that) and the bloodspot carries that same theme. They used to use telephone services so you could never locate where they were domiciled, and drop box addresses, for the same reason.

I might be entirely wrong about this writer, but the Durham name along with the Russell Hermann name suggests he's from the same sort of camp.

Peter Lemkin
01-19-2014, 05:58 PM
I'm going to answer my own question. No one really knows who the purported author really is, but I think I may know.

I just Googled E P Heidner and found a dormant blogspot (http://epheidner.blogspot.co.uk) in his name.

When people begin talking about Mrs. V K Durham and reporting her nonsense as the unadulterated truth, I cringe.

There are, in fact, two different and very persistent groups of grifters (to my knowledge anyway) who spend an inordinate amount of time and energy working on publishing stuff like this, as they believe it will help to validate phoney assets they wish to translate into ready cash. At one time or another both groups contacted me in the past.

One of them wanted me to write a book based on their research (as if), the other spent months and months trying to hook me into doing something, but we never reached the point where that something was ever openly stated. Just hints. I told both groups to fuck off after giving a sufficient length of rope to hang themselves. And both did themselves justice in the hanging department, I have to say.

So my best guess is that this guy is a member, probably of the American group, rather than the far eastern group. They were quite political in anti Bush family sense (can't blame them for that) and the bloodspot carries that same theme. They used to use telephone services so you could never locate where they were domiciled, and drop box addresses, for the same reason.

I might be entirely wrong about this writer, but the Durham name along with the Russell Hermann name suggests he's from the same sort of camp.

Dave, you're one of three experts in the World [that I know of] on the Black Eagle Trust [and related matters]....so can you tell, if you know or suspect, what the ultimate purpose of the papers are? Are you questioning some of the information? [and if yes, as bad research, or with an agenda; and if with an agenda - what agenda?!] Thanks.

I haven't read them yet...just downloaded and quickly scanned through. Some stuff looks OK at first blush...some looks skewed a bit; perhaps what is missing is more important than what is there....I'll have a closer look, but am interested in your 'take'.

Tracy Riddle
01-19-2014, 08:24 PM
I haven't read the book yet. I'm just now reading the Collateral Damage articles by the same author.

Some researchers want to preserve their privacy. I can't blame them; I only use my real name here because I have to. Otherwise I'd prefer to remain more anonymous. It's the information that's important, not the researcher, especially if they provide footnotes (which the articles have - apparently the book doesn't).

David Guyatt
01-20-2014, 11:26 AM
I'm going to answer my own question. No one really knows who the purported author really is, but I think I may know.

I just Googled E P Heidner and found a dormant blogspot (http://epheidner.blogspot.co.uk) in his name.

When people begin talking about Mrs. V K Durham and reporting her nonsense as the unadulterated truth, I cringe.

There are, in fact, two different and very persistent groups of grifters (to my knowledge anyway) who spend an inordinate amount of time and energy working on publishing stuff like this, as they believe it will help to validate phoney assets they wish to translate into ready cash. At one time or another both groups contacted me in the past.

One of them wanted me to write a book based on their research (as if), the other spent months and months trying to hook me into doing something, but we never reached the point where that something was ever openly stated. Just hints. I told both groups to fuck off after giving a sufficient length of rope to hang themselves. And both did themselves justice in the hanging department, I have to say.

So my best guess is that this guy is a member, probably of the American group, rather than the far eastern group. They were quite political in anti Bush family sense (can't blame them for that) and the bloodspot carries that same theme. They used to use telephone services so you could never locate where they were domiciled, and drop box addresses, for the same reason.

I might be entirely wrong about this writer, but the Durham name along with the Russell Hermann name suggests he's from the same sort of camp.

Dave, you're one of three experts in the World [that I know of] on the Black Eagle Trust [and related matters]....so can you tell, if you know or suspect, what the ultimate purpose of the papers are? Are you questioning some of the information? [and if yes, as bad research, or with an agenda; and if with an agenda - what agenda?!] Thanks.

I haven't read them yet...just downloaded and quickly scanned through. Some stuff looks OK at first blush...some looks skewed a bit; perhaps what is missing is more important than what is there....I'll have a closer look, but am interested in your 'take'.

many years ago now, I was in contact with Durham, both by phone and email. I found her claims to be simply preposterous. I can't write in a public forum what I truly think of her, as it would litigable.

During the 12 ands more years I was digging into the gold story - and I merely scratched the surface (its like trying to complete a jigsaw puzzle when most parts of the jigsaw are missing and you have no picture as a frame of reference), I learned a number of things. Firstly to trust no one involved. Absolutely no one. Secondly, there are a vast number of players who have personal agendas. The usual one is greed. Mention the word "gold" and all the grifters, conmen, and easy money dreamers of the world flood out of the woodwork.

As an example, I was contacted by a former Marcos henchman, a well known heartless and ruthless killer, who wanted me to intercede on his behalf with the Union Bank of Switzerland to gain access to his gold stash/payoff by Marcos for his "loyalty" (the times I've been offered a percentage of a vast haul, I couldn't possibly remember now). I didn't doubt for a moment that UBS had hijacked his bullion, and there wasn't a damn thing he could do about it. I certainly wasn't going to get involved or allow greed to consume me. Very early on I had to make a firm decision that my one and only interest was the story itself.

Were I to have my time over again, but still have these old eyes of mine to aid me - I would be even more cynical and careful about anyone and anything related to the Black Eagle gold trust. Not only is the subject labyrinthine, but there are so many dark, dank and deep levels. Everything and everyone has to be treated as suspect. And every nugget of truth has to be drawn out of that great shadow kicking, biting and screaming.

Sterling Seagrave and I (and the one other whoever you're thinking of) are/were naive amateurs on this subject. In the last analysis, none of us are up to snuff on it. That's my honest take these days.

Can you be a little more specific about what "papers" you are referring to please, Pete? There are so many different ones out there.

David Guyatt
01-20-2014, 11:36 AM
I haven't read the book yet. I'm just now reading the Collateral Damage articles by the same author.

Some researchers want to preserve their privacy. I can't blame them; I only use my real name here because I have to. Otherwise I'd prefer to remain more anonymous. It's the information that's important, not the researcher, especially if they provide footnotes (which the articles have - apparently the book doesn't).

Yep, I do understand that Tracy, about anonymity.

On the other hand it is an excellent screen to hide behind too.

I'm always willing to stand corrected.

But I feel certain, in my own mind, that this cloaked author is not going to be the one to elicit that correction from me.

Albert Doyle
01-20-2014, 08:07 PM
While the US government was claiming the showing of coffins coming back from Iraq was too sensitive to show on TV at the same time they were showing persons like Nick Berg having their throats cut by Al Qaeda on CNN.