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Ed Encho
11-14-2010, 08:03 PM
Yesterday I happened to catch the most recent episode of Jesse Ventura's compelling TruTv series, this one on the Police State. The series, Conspiracy Theory With Jesse Ventura (http://www.trutv.com/shows/conspiracy_theory/index.html) is an amazing piece of work not only for the taboo subject matter (God forbid that Americans really understand exactly what the fuck is going on) but for the host himself. It's not often that a major media figure with credentials like Ventura's, Governor of Minnesota, Navy Seal, actor, athlete, commentator would dare to venture into the darkest bowels or this now thoroughly rotted through empire of blood and corruption. The safe bet would be to either sell out and become a shill for official conspiracy theories such as the laughable government tale of the accounts on that holiest of holy days, September 11, 2001 when the reset button was hit on America, the coup cemented into place and our tickets to the fascist state punched or to suffer the slings and arrows of media mockingbirds and payroll pundits who would perform their standard electornic character assassinations. Ventura is a different breed though, he gets it and as a patriotic American does his duty to get at the real nasty stuff that crawls beneath the paper thin facade of our God-kissed, flag-swaddled, John Wayne can of red, white and blue whup ass version of history.

This week's edition of Ventura's show, the fourth installment of the second season (previous installments were on Plum Island, Area 51 and Wall Street) got right into the most obvious and dangerous issue of the transformation of America into a police state. The process has been ongoing, when you really bother to think about the ongoing and incessant indoctrination to worship the law through vicarious exposure to head bashing and door kicking police and paramilitary television shows, movies and even video games and combined with the ginned-up hysterics of the "terrorist" plot du jour, most recently the alleged print cartridge bomb plot delivered with Bushian timing a few days prior to the latest elections or more appropriately, the latest churn of our political cesspool - Americans are conditioned like lab rats to surrender, grovel and submit. Not that the fear-mongering is any sort of recent phenomena, our entire fucking history (or at least our entire histroy since Kennedy's head was blown off by rogue elements of the shadow government) has this malevolent and poisonous undercurrent snaking through it. A few years back I stumbled across an interesting little book on the entertainment industrial complex and the necessity to promulgate the narrative of FEAR in order to justify American imperialism. It was called American Terminator: Myths, Movies and Global Power (http://books.google.com/books?id=QcwCD42m4zcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=American+Terminator&source=bl&ots=2_X6Tc7yjC&sig=WDlfnUEDaqI_u69TTcww_B9q1xI&hl=en&ei=We_fTP2nD4aglAfGg5DeAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false) from which I am going to excerpt the following:

Fear is essential: ‘Be afraid, be very afraid’ is the American condition. To live in America is to be beset by fear, anxiety and insecurity, to be surrounded by potential harm, enemies and evil intent. And the wolf is always at the door. A nation of optimists is the more usual self-representation of America. Repetitively, Hollywood films conclude with a resolution, a rescue, and the winners ride off into the sunset or snuggle into a warm embrace that reassures us they will live happily ever after. The formulaic ending, however, is necessary because the plot, the narrative, is founded on and propelled by fear and anxiety, the dark essential underpinning of the American condition. For America fear is an original, natural condition, the inescapable birth rite (and birth right), the inherited condition of a fragile existence that must constantly be defended. Without fear there is no America; constant recourse to fear is the motivating force that determines its actions and reactions
True to the nth degree. Fear is the coin of the realm in the new American century, the land of the free and the home of the brave is no longer the brand associated with life in Der Homeland. Fear of joblessness, fear of homelessness, fear of that secret Muslim in the White House and his militant Negro army ACORN cutting a brutal swarth of rape and pillage through lilly white Murka (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=murka) as announced by Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and the rest of the imperial propagandists and rabble rousers...and most importantly fear of the dread Islamofascism (a masterful piece of marketing churned out of one of those neocon think tanks) and the swarthy Arab terrorists. Never mind that it's all bullshit, contrived to justify illegal wars for resources, oligarchical plundering and the enablement of the corporate vampires and Wall Street parasites to use their corrupt government subsidized schemes to enslave the sheep and to get them to not only tolerate but to enjoy their enslavement. It is a brilliant and long term implementation of a fascist state across the fruited plain, conceived by traitors and thieves and carried out with stunning precision by the CIA, the Military Industrial Complex and their profiteering partners. As Aldous Huxley described this Brave New World in this speech (http://www.archive.org/details/AldousHuxley-TheUltimateRevolution) given at Berkeley:

"And it seems to me perfectly in the cards that there will be within the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda, brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods."
Sound familiar? Prozac, Viagra and their counterparts, 46 inch plasma televisions, bread and circuses, junk food, electronic gadgetry, porn on demand and most importantly Dancing With The Stars....praise the lord, pass the remote and please line up for your full body cavity search before entering those wonderful naked body scanners brought to you by another one of our fine Israeli 'friends', dual citizen Michael Chertoff and the Chertoff Group (http://chertoffgroup.com/cgroup/). Another insider using his government connections to peddle the wares of another one of the corporate behemoths cashing in big on the FEAR that is now a by God American birthright. Shit, the bastards were already cashing in while the crisp fall breezes in lower Manhattan were still carrying the stench of rotting flesh back in 2001.

But I digress...

Been away for awhile, so just stretching my legs with that little rant. What I really wanted to talk about was the Ventura episode. While I have not seen every episode of Conspiracy Theory those that I have watched in their entirety have been powerful (although a bit silly with the team angle but you have to have a hook to draw in viewers I guess) but none quite so as the most recent installment. It starts out with a conversation with a young woman named Catherine Bleish whose work on behalf of the Ron Paul campaign landed her on one of those growing government watchlists that anyone who is reading this is no doubt on as well. When she dared to pursue the reasoning for being classified as a potential enemy of the state for exercising her first amendment rights she quickly discovered that such activity can get one in big trouble in the land where Habeas Corpus and the Posse Comitatus Act have already been dismantled and the Obama administration has not only escalated the programs of Bush-Cheney (and further back to Reagan and Ollie North) but have forever legitimized them by failing to enforce the Constitution. The wars continue and Gitmo remains open, the torturers continue their sadistic perversions and the police state infrastructure continues unabated despite the forgotten campaign rhetoric of our weasel in chief and soon it will be handed off to the next puppet who will undoubtedly find a reason to take it to the next level.

The wettest of dreams of this now despotic state has always been rooted in total control, ubiquitous and ever present surveillance and if necessary martial law. Gun running, drug dealing uber patriot Ollie North dabbled in the rounding up of dissidents with the REX 84 (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Rex-84) program that would have enabled FEMA to pick up and intern American citizens. There was also Garden Plot (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/garden_plot.htm), Cable Splicer and a myriad of other anti-American schemes to do away with meddlesome citizens who may not be down with the scum that have hijacked the country (see Ed Encho's series on the shadow government (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/191000-How-the-Secret-Team-transformed-America-into-an-Empire)) and can no longer be troubled with anything as quaint as constitutional law or democracy. This must is documented, but never has any of it been as dangerous, or as readly to be rolled out as what is currently in process. The police state conspiracy as examined in the Ventura program looks into the metastaziing growth of Fusion Centers (http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/whats-wrong-fusion-centers-executive-summary), command and control centers coordinating local law enforcement, military, private intelligence corporations and the Gestapo Department of Homeland Security. These well-funded high tech and unaccountable spy shops were an outgrowth of 9/11 (what isn't?) and with the American Reichstag Fire as justification to combine state, local and federal agencies ostensibly to prevent terrorism. What they are in actuality are antennae of the tyrannical state using data-mining, profiling and sophisticated pattern analysis to keep tabs on potential threats to the power of a system run amok, as capitalism continues into the final states, come to home to roost and now in full cannibalistic mode it is only a matter of time until the inevitable economic collapse, food shortages and civil unrest similar to what is occurring in Europe. Now in full regonition that the vast majority of slothlike, dumbed down and wretchedly cowardly Americans will remain parked in front of the flat-screened electronic living room gods that they worship it scares the bejesus out of the establishment that the 1-2 percenters who still give a damn may revolt. What better way to keep tabs on them than by Big Brother style surveillance?

There are at least 72 of these fusion centers in operation at this time and that number will continue to grow as the day of judgement gets closer.

That a woman like Catherine Bleish can be sucked into this monstrous and oppressive system for nothing more than political activism should illustrate the true nature of the bottomless rabbit hole that our country has been dragged into. While Ventura's show uses imagery of the co-opted teabaggers waving their Gadsden flags as visuals of the sort who are subject to being guilty without the pretenses of a trial as well as singles out Obama's diabolical adviser Cass Sunstein (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/01/15/sunstein) (he of the now infamous Conspiracy Theories white paper (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1084585)) this needs some context. During the Bushreich protesters were routinely rounded up and herded into "free speech zones" (I seem to remember when the entire fucking country was a free speech zone), interned in temporary prisons during the virulently fascist 2004 Republican National Convention in New York or the 2003 WTO protest and crushing of dissent in Jeb Bush's Miami (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1120-08.htm) not to mention the transformation of Pittsburgh into a martial law zone during the 2009 G20 meetings (http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/G20-Pbgh-Police-State-Gho-by-Rob-Kall-090925-212.html) giving a new meaning to the term Iron City. What is and has been occurring in America to political dissent is an abomination and is not limited to anything out of the bogus left-right paradigm, it is directed at ALL who dare to question the establishment. In fact if anything, the Tea Party being a plutocratic backed hijacking of the original Ron Paul libertarian based movement it represents not so much a threat to the established order but rather useful idiots and shocktroops to defend it.

Ventura goes on to team with Alex Jones of Infowars.com (a man who I have mixed feelings about regarding some of the material that he covers) to actually visit some of the detention facilities or U.S. concentration camps that are currently operational. That such facilities are so often dismissed out of hand as being only the delusions of the paranoid fringe is indicative of the deep denial that Americans hide in as though it were a coccoon, and the raw cynicism of the politicians who are supposed to work for them but instead are fully complicit in the construction of these camps/detention facilities (there is a real hoot in the program where a P.R. woman at one of the facilities states that it is a residential center). Not only are these camps documented in mainstream news on occasion like the 2006 New York Times story (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/national/04halliburton.html) on the $ 385 million in taxpayer money given to Haliburton subsidiary KBR to build detention centers. Americans are not only funding their own enslavement but seem to be incapble of understanding that it could happen here. If these facilities aren't enough to prove what is coming then just Google Manzanar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manzanar). To his credit Ventura addresses the FDR order to intern over 100,000 Japanese Americans during World War II. This is one of the most shameful stories in our national history yet it is largely unknown, another of the great sins of ommission when it comes to teaching America's real history.

The show also draws attention to the Obama administration's recent executive order that establishes the Council Of Governors (http://cryptogon.com/?p=13019), 10 executives who will rule over 10 regions in the always vaguely worded event of the "national emergency" that previous executive orders, such as Bush's NSPD-51 (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18591.htm), all laying down the legal parameters for the declaration of martial law. Interestingly the 10 zones overlap nicely with FEMA's. It is late in the episode where Jones and Ventura film a huge repository of plastic coffins/graveliners in Madison, Georgia and speculate on whether there will be a controlled release of a biological warfare agent or some other form of virus to create a pandemic that would trigger the roundups and the filling of the camps with those who try to fight it and don't end up in one of the plastic coffins. I have always been a bit skeptical of this but have read a good deal of material that offers a glimpse into the sort of thinking that drives the pigs who run this system and despite my skepticism that they would actually trigger this sort of event it does fit within their worldview. When thugs and servants of the elite like war criminal Henry Kissinger can come out and refer to people as "useless eaters" it is obvious that there are only two lifeforms in America, vampires and cattle. Being aware of the military and intelligence experimentations with biowarfare and the rumored but not to this point proven existence of race specific bioweapons it would be foolish and naive to not believe that those who are able to conceive of this stuff don't have the stones to use it to further their agendas. There was much hysteria over last year's H1N1/Swine Flu potentially being this event but rather it was in all likelihood the result of greed with Big Pharma rushing to sell as much untested vaccine to a terrified public as they possibly could to juice their stock prices. Again, I am skeptical that the elite would actually carry out such a thing but given the real problems of overpopulation and the need for a big culling don't reject it as paranoia. It would likely be blamed on Iran and then used like 9/11 was to start another war.

Finally, the best part of the show was when Ventura confronted Tennessee Congressman Steve Cohen on the existence of the camps. Cohen is a perfect example of the corrpution and amoral elitism that has taken control of our government. Initially the smarmy little bastard is dismissive and mocking, talking about green martians, paranoia and other talking points used to equate honest questioning with the real black helicopter types (even they don't seem to be quite as crazy anymore in this terminally diseased society) and UFO freaks. But when Ventura had a copy of the bill, H.R. 645: National Emergency Centers Establishment Act (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645) that was a co-sponsor of the condescension quickly evaporated and this cringing little rat gave up the ghost, being reduced to a quivering blog of jelly when confronted with the truth and disingenuously claiming that he didn't know what was in the bill. Pretty ironic that Cowen is Jewish, it would seem that of all people that he should have an appreciation of the dangers of allowing such facilities to be built by an out of control regime under the pretense of security. That this vile piece of fascist legislation was produced by the so-called liberal Democratic Congress is just another indictment of our thoroughly rancid and compromised two-party game of three-card Monte that passes for American democracy.

The trap my friends has already been built and is rapidly closing, have no illusions that you will be able to resist when the orders are given to pick up the future residents of the camps, there is no match for raw power and serious military weaponry. The only hope, given that it is not too late already is to espose the bastards, Ventura has done a damned good job of it but it's not enough.

David Guyatt
11-14-2010, 08:20 PM
Been away for awhile, so just stretching my legs with that little rant.

A truly wonderful rant Ed.

The rest of it was pretty damn good too.

Keith Millea
11-14-2010, 08:58 PM
A truly wonderful rant Ed.

The rest of it was pretty damn good too.

Yeah,X2

And I can hardly wait for "The Last Circle" review too.

Peter Lemkin
11-15-2010, 06:22 AM
Yeah, I'll add my voice to the chorus...rant away, any time. :motz:

By the way, is there a way on the internet to see the shows, or only the trailers?

Susan Grant
11-15-2010, 06:44 AM
yea X 3.
The only bit I hesitate to agree with is the over population part considering the smallest minority of people have stolen the largest amount of land and the rest of us have been forcibly crammed into tiny pockets of land all over the world and millions have been and are being wiped out by war, disease and poverty etc. Just so this mega rich minority can holiday at their leisure without us "useless eaters" disturbing them. I think if the world worked as as I believe it was designed to do "natural selection - and I mean natural" would keep the population on an even keel and we would also be able to feed ourselves adequately.
Just my humble opinion tho'

Ed Encho
11-15-2010, 12:01 PM
Here is a link where it appears all three episodes are together,

http://www.infowars.com/jesse-venturas-conspiracy-theory-police-state-fema-camps/

Now my standard disclaimer, I have serious misgivings about Infowars and Mr. Jones, I stongly suspect that he may be a CNP shill (Council For National Policy) and the constant harranguing of illegal aliens as well as the birther nonsense is a huge turnoff but there is still some worthwhile material there and the guests are often pretty good.

EE

Ed Encho
11-15-2010, 12:07 PM
Also this morning in Der Heimat I ran across this, hope that it gets some play and gets the sheep to start pushing back against the drooling glorified security guards that are the TSA goons in our airports.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_newsroom/20101114/tr_yblog_newsroom/san-diego-man-balks-at-scan

When reading the comments you get a true idea of just how cowardly and submissive that the inhabitants of the world's largest lemming colony are in general. Their lives are so pathetic and worthless to begin with given our national fascination with materialism, celebrity, gauche bling bling and willful ignorance yet they would surrender what little dignity that they have in an instant if a petty tyrant in a TSA uniform wants to fondle theirs or their children's genitals under the pretense of security.

Here is the guy's blog link describing the experience. Maybe he can become a national hero unlike the phony heroes that are regularly glorified in this empire of fear and greed.

http://johnnyedge.blogspot.com/2010/11/these-events-took-place-roughly-between.html

EE

Peter Lemkin
11-15-2010, 01:24 PM
Also this morning in Der Heimat I ran across this, hope that it gets some play and gets the sheep to start pushing back against the drooling glorified security guards that are the TSA goons in our airports.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_newsroom/20101114/tr_yblog_newsroom/san-diego-man-balks-at-scan

When reading the comments you get a true idea of just how cowardly and submissive that the inhabitants of the world's largest lemming colony are in general. Their lives are so pathetic and worthless to begin with given our national fascination with materialism, celebrity, gauche bling bling and willful ignorance yet they would surrender what little dignity that they have in an instant if a petty tyrant in a TSA uniform wants to fondle theirs or their children's genitals under the pretense of security.

Here is the guy's blog link describing the experience. Maybe he can become a national hero unlike the phony heroes that are regularly glorified in this empire of fear and greed.

http://johnnyedge.blogspot.com/2010/11/these-events-took-place-roughly-between.html

EE

Well good for him, I've have my own battles with TSA. I travel with a very large dog and it was from SAN [surprise, surprise] that we last left to return to Europe. I was told that the dog's carrier had to be inspected. This has been done many times I've traveled and every other time it was put in a large X-ray machine, without the dog in it..then she was put in and all was fine...but not at SAN. I asked for the carrier to be put in an x-ray machine and they lied and said they didn't have one large enough [they have them so large they can x-ray the luggage modules that get put in the planes!] A TSA man came and tore up the padded flooring on the bottom - shredded it; ripped out the water supply gravity feed bottle I constructed; went through the food and left the carrier in a wet, destroyed state - unsuitable for a large dog to fly in for a minimum of 17 hours, if there were no delays!]. After he was done, with him watching me, in short sleeves I approached the carrier to re-assemble it, if possible. He told me halt! He said I could not approach the carrier and the dog had to be put in immediately and I had to leave. I refused, saying it was a deadly carrier now for my dog. He said if I didn't do as he said or if I argued I was subject to arrest. I asked for a supervisor and was denied one. He warned me again and I was told to 'take it' or not board the plane. My dog arrived in Europe nearly dead from dehydration and was in a mental frenzy that didn't go away for several days. I filled a report and received no reply. Flying now is dangerous to your health due to TSA and deadly for an animal.

Also, 100% if the time I fly to USA my luggage is searched and a 'friendly' note from TSA is left inside...I'm sure it has to do with my politics and can NOT be chance, as only a small % are searched and mine are always. I have also had pre-boarding complete searches of my luggage and missed flights. One time, one item was missing. I reported it and noted on the internet you can see lots of reports of items TSA employee's helped themselves to. It was never resolved and there is no mechanism to resolve it. TSA suggests you put nothing you don't want to loose in your suitcase...but you are not allowed to take many as carry on either...Catch-22. Have a nice flight!~

Ed Encho
11-15-2010, 11:12 PM
RE: travelling with a large dog. That must have been before this ingenious piece of propaganda that al-CIAda is sewing bombs inside dogs.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/08/report-failed-al-qaeda-plot-involving-sewings-bombs-inside-dogs/

And people not only gobble up these TSA/Pentagon/Corporate Media morsels of bullshit but beg for more.

I am ashamed to be an American and damned proud of it.

Jesus Christ the people in this country are morons.

EE

I say that the dude who stood up against the TSA pederasts is a national hero and more dangerous to their fascist system of control than 1,000 Joe Stacks.

Dawn Meredith
11-16-2010, 02:43 PM
Here is a link where it appears all three episodes are together,

http://www.infowars.com/jesse-venturas-conspiracy-theory-police-state-fema-camps/

Now my standard disclaimer, I have serious misgivings about Infowars and Mr. Jones, I stongly suspect that he may be a CNP shill (Council For National Policy) and the constant harranguing of illegal aliens as well as the birther nonsense is a huge turnoff but there is still some worthwhile material there and the guests are often pretty good.

EE

Ed, thanks for the link. For those who don't get tru tv. I did catch this episode last Friday night. Chilling.
Sad to hear that hometown boy Alex is a damn birther. That brings him down several notches in my book.
Dawn

Jack White
11-16-2010, 03:57 PM
Here is a link where it appears all three episodes are together,

http://www.infowars.com/jesse-venturas-conspiracy-theory-police-state-fema-camps/

Now my standard disclaimer, I have serious misgivings about Infowars and Mr. Jones, I stongly suspect that he may be a CNP shill (Council For National Policy) and the constant harranguing of illegal aliens as well as the birther nonsense is a huge turnoff but there is still some worthwhile material there and the guests are often pretty good.

EE

Ed, thanks for the link. For those who don't get tru tv. I did catch this episode last Friday night. Chilling.
Sad to hear that hometown boy Alex is a damn birther. That brings him down several notches in my book.
Dawn

Dawn...sorry to hear that I will go down a notch or two in your book also.

I assume you are referring to the Obama lack of a birth certificate. I
strongly believe that the coverup is in place regarding his citizenship.
I predict a legal morass when the truth is finally exposed and every
bill he signed is nullified.

Jack

Keith Millea
11-16-2010, 06:44 PM
I hold Jesse Ventura in high esteem and have for many years now.But in all honesty,I was kinda turned off by the show.First of all,I hate that kind of format that is heavily used in todays reality show addictions.To me I'm glad that this show is on TV and is getting some recognition.But,it has that fake feeling element to it that IMHO makes the DEEP subject matter discussed seem a bit trivialzed.

Just sayin'

Peter Lemkin
11-16-2010, 07:13 PM
I hold Jesse Ventura in high esteem and have for many years now.But in all honesty,I was kinda turned off by the show.First of all,I hate that kind of format that is heavily used in todays reality show addictions.To me I'm glad that this show is on TV and is getting some recognition.But,it has that fake feeling element to it that IMHO makes the DEEP subject matter discussed seem a bit trivialzed.

Just sayin'

When in Rome.....
When in a Circus, do as the clowns do...
I agree, it belittles the import and dignity of the subjects.
Sadly, they ['they'] won't let anyone do it 'straight' unless you jus' do it on your own blog.....
Sadly, we know that Ventura has been vetted by the best [Dick Russell - his friend and neighbor in Baja] as being for real, and really knowing on which side of the bread the butter is on.....but he was also an actor [wrestler] and finds it easy to go with that phony flow....even with the real info. Ah......Peter Dale Scott isn't going to get a TV show....nor will lots of others who know the same and could do a better job - and do it 'straight'.....America is SO dumbed down and so tuned into Circus.....:bandit:

David Guyatt
11-16-2010, 09:19 PM
America is SO dumbed down and so tuned into Circus.....:bandit:

Coming to a town near you...

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh169/Shoestring99/798368_7c15_625x1000.jpg?t=1289942266

Charles Drago
11-16-2010, 10:02 PM
Those Nazis ... they always went for the juggler.

Ed Encho
11-16-2010, 11:05 PM
Yeah Dawn, it really turns me off when that birther nonsense gets trotted out, as if Hillary Rodham Clinton wouldn't have used it in the runup to the big CHANGE (as in CHUMP CHANGE) election in 2008, Tarpley peddles it too. Hey, there ARE a lot of postiive things about the Alex Jones show but you have to wade through the toxic garbage at times to get there. Lots of global warming denial, standard Bircher anti-United Nations slime etc...I certainly believe that there is at the very least a CNP influence or perhaps the Kochtopus when it comes to funding for his movies etc. I think a big part of Alex Jones is what he DOESN'T cover which would be anything even remotely critical of Big Oil and Mineral Corporations. He is spot on lately with the attacks on the sexual molesters with TSA though.

A mixed bag, sometimes worth the time and others not so. But then again so much is like that out there given the corporate media's refusal to cover ANY of it.

EE

Ed Jewett
11-17-2010, 02:00 AM
The commentary here is motivation enough for me to dust off the poorly-written instruction manual for my personal videocam so I can learn how to download the fotage and make a YouTube. Then I can give folks a video tour of such a camp. Innocuous, it will seem, until you begin to think about how quickly form and function could easily and rapidly be retrofitted into different applications.

Peter Lemkin
11-17-2010, 06:04 AM
The commentary here is motivation enough for me to dust off the poorly-written instruction manual for my personal videocam so I can learn how to download the fotage and make a YouTube. Then I can give folks a video tour of such a camp. Innocuous, it will seem, until you begin to think about how quickly form and function could easily and rapidly be retrofitted into different applications.

So, you live near an 'instant internment camp'...how lucky...when they declare Martial Law you won't have far to walk - or be marched at gun/taser-point.

Christer Forslund
11-17-2010, 09:01 AM
:egg:

Ed Jewett
11-17-2010, 09:07 AM
Maybe I should go down there and plant some MRE's and a couple of good books to read. "Man's Search for Meaning" comes to mind, as does "To Build A Castle", and I've never actually read "A Gulag Archipelago". I've heard they serve really good peanut butter-flavored Ensure via nasogastric tube. Perhaps they'll be adding some additives. And it would be a good time for me to read David Ray Griffin's "Parapsychology, Spirituality and Philosophy" along with the the several Jungian offerings recommended by Mr. Guyatt. And then there's Matthew Fox's "The Reinvention of Work" as well as Sam Keen's "Learning to Fly".

David Guyatt
11-17-2010, 09:33 AM
Those Nazis ... they always went for the juggler.

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

Dawn Meredith
11-17-2010, 12:44 PM
Here is a link where it appears all three episodes are together,

http://www.infowars.com/jesse-venturas-conspiracy-theory-police-state-fema-camps/

Now my standard disclaimer, I have serious misgivings about Infowars and Mr. Jones, I stongly suspect that he may be a CNP shill (Council For National Policy) and the constant harranguing of illegal aliens as well as the birther nonsense is a huge turnoff but there is still some worthwhile material there and the guests are often pretty good.

EE

Ed, thanks for the link. For those who don't get tru tv. I did catch this episode last Friday night. Chilling.
Sad to hear that hometown boy Alex is a damn birther. That brings him down several notches in my book.
Dawn

Dawn...sorry to hear that I will go down a notch or two in your book also.

I assume you are referring to the Obama lack of a birth certificate. I
strongly believe that the coverup is in place regarding his citizenship.
I predict a legal morass when the truth is finally exposed and every
bill he signed is nullified.

Jack

Jack, I agree that there is a problem. But what about the birth announcement in the local paper? I admittedly know nothing about photography but it looked damn authenic to me.
I do not like Obama at all and see that he is one more corporate whore who is merely more intelligent than W and sligtly more charming. The only promise he has kept is more war.

But why would the PTB put a non citizen in office? Hawaii says that the birth certificate is real, that there "is no long form". Why are you so sure?

Thanks,
Dawn

Peter Lemkin
11-17-2010, 03:09 PM
Here is a link where it appears all three episodes are together,

http://www.infowars.com/jesse-venturas-conspiracy-theory-police-state-fema-camps/

Now my standard disclaimer, I have serious misgivings about Infowars and Mr. Jones, I stongly suspect that he may be a CNP shill (Council For National Policy) and the constant harranguing of illegal aliens as well as the birther nonsense is a huge turnoff but there is still some worthwhile material there and the guests are often pretty good.

EE

Ed, thanks for the link. For those who don't get tru tv. I did catch this episode last Friday night. Chilling.
Sad to hear that hometown boy Alex is a damn birther. That brings him down several notches in my book.
Dawn

Dawn...sorry to hear that I will go down a notch or two in your book also.

I assume you are referring to the Obama lack of a birth certificate. I
strongly believe that the coverup is in place regarding his citizenship.
I predict a legal morass when the truth is finally exposed and every
bill he signed is nullified.

Jack

Jack, I agree that there is a problem. But what about the birth announcement in the local paper? I admittedly know nothing about photography but it looked damn authenic to me.
I do not like Obama at all and see that he is one more corporate whore who is merely more intelligent than W and sligtly more charming. The only promise he has kept is more war.

But why would the PTB put a non citizen in office? Hawaii says that the birth certificate is real, that there "is no long form". Why are you so sure?

Thanks,
Dawn

Even IF true, which I personally do NOT believe, it is minor compared to the fact that there was a coup d'etat on 11/22/63 and COG erased the Constitution on 9-11-01. Obama probably is a nice guy to have dinner with and may even in his heart of hearts want to do well...but he is controlled by the DP Forces one way or another....so again..this issue, which I think is a non-starter would be trivial, even if it were real......

Jack White
11-17-2010, 05:03 PM
I do not have ready documentation, but have followed
the birth issue very closely.

The fact that democrats have spent more than $1 million
on legal fees in resistance says a lot, when all they have
to do is produce a piece of paper.

More later. Have to leave now.

Jack

Ed Jewett
11-17-2010, 06:37 PM
And, it is said, the woman involved in the defense of the Administration on the birth issue now holds court on the High Bench where she can watch further developments.

Jack White
11-18-2010, 04:15 PM
I do not have ready documentation, but have followed
the birth issue very closely.

The fact that democrats have spent more than $1 million
on legal fees in resistance says a lot, when all they have
to do is produce a piece of paper.

More later. Have to leave now.

Jack


Obama’s Hawaii Connection

Posted on 17. Nov, 2010 by Raja Mujtaba in Hot Topics
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SPECIAL REPORT. Stanley Dunham's CIA shell company in Hawaii: a furniture store
By Wayne Madsen
WMR has learned from a reliable source that Stanley Dunham, Barack Obama's grandfather, did not work as a manager at a furniture store in Honolulu after moving there from Seattle but had non-official CIA cover status with the "furniture store," which was actually a CIA shell company cover.

Dunham officially worked as a manager for Pratt furniture store in Honolulu seeking a better furniture store opportunity after working at Doces Majestic Furniture Company and Standard-Grunbaum Furniture store in Seattle. Previously, Dunham had worked at J.G. Paris furniture store in Ponca City, Oklahoma.

However, there are no records that Pratt Furniture was an actual legitimate retail outlet in Honolulu. Dunham's wife, Madelyn Dunham, who Barack Obama called "Toot," handled escrow accounts for CIA operations at the Bank of Hawaii in Honolulu while Stanley Dunham was involved in the CIA's Airlift Africa project that saw Barack Obama, Sr. brought to the University of Hawaii and the CIA-linked East-West Center to be "sheep dipped" by the CIA into future service. Mr. Dunham welcomed Barack Obama, Sr. on his arrival at Honolulu International Airport in 1960.

On August 19, 2010, WMR reported: "What is officially known about Stanley Armour Dunham is that he served with the 9th Air Force in Britain and France prior to and after the D-Day invasion. After the war, Dunham and his wife, Madelyn and his daughter Stanley Ann — Obama's mother — moved to Berkeley, California; El Dorado, Kansas; Seattle; and Honolulu.

Armour Dunham is said to have worked for a series of furniture stores."
There is a "Pratt's" in Kailua Kona on the island of Hawaii that sells furniture and kitchenware but the store listed as Dunham's employer is "Pratt Furniture Company" in Honolulu.

There is a Pratt Furniture store in Pratt, Kansas. Dunham lived in Wichita, Kansas before shipping out to Europe in World War II. Barack Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born in Wichita in 1942. Madelyn Dunham worked at a Boeing B-29 plant in Wichita while her husband was in Europe. Pratt Furniture in Pratt, Kansas is not a chain and did not have a branch in Honolulu. However, Pratt lies about 75 miles due west of Wichita on U.S. Highway 54.

The CIA has a history of using retail store front operations as cover. The CIA and National Security Agency once operated a super-secret Special Collection Service (SCS) facility out of a strip mall in College Park, Maryland. The two spy agencies operated in the back of a restaurant and dry-cleaning store. The stores operated as legitimate retail operations with the secret operations being carried out in the back rooms. For many years a furniture store in Arlington, Virginia has operated with the popular suspicion that it, too, is a front operation for the CIA.

WMR also previously reported: "The photograph of Armour Dunham with Barack Obama, Sr., indicates that the 'furniture salesman' in Hawaii was, in fact, working with a CIA-funded project to rapidly educate aspiring politicians to serve in post-independence African governments to counter Soviet- and Chinese-backed political leaders in the region. There is a strong reason to believe that Armour Dunham worked in the 1950s for the CIA in the Middle East. An FBI file on Armour Dunham existed but the bureau claimed it destroyed the file on May 1, 1997.

Considering the sour relations between the FBI and CIA during the Cold War, it is likely that Armour Dunham was being monitored by FBI director J. Edgar Hoover in the same manner as a number of other CIA officials and agents were being surveilled. Similarly, the pre-1968 passport records of Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, were destroyed by the State Department."

There is another possible reason for the FBI to have maintained a file on Dunham. In the years in which "Ozzie and Harriett" and the "Cleavers" represented the typical American family on television, Ann Dunham's marriage to a black African when she was 17 may have resulted in a report being filed by the FBI from Honolulu. Although Hawaii was much more tolerant of mixed race marriages in the early 1960s then the mainland, Hoover frowned on such marriages, especially involving the daughter of a CIA operative who was attending Russian-language class at the University of Hawaii and where she allegedly first met her first husband, Barack Obama, Sr.

Mr. Dunham's FBI file may have grown a bit larger after his daughter moved with Barack Obama. Jr. to Jakarta and where young Barry Soetoro was raised by a transsexual nanny named "Turdi."
Hoover, himself a homosexual, was keen on identifying and keeping files on any other homosexuals connected in any way to the government, especially the CIA, with which he had a fractured and testy relationship. Turdi tended to Barry by day and frolicked at night with a dance group called the "Fantastic Dolls." Obama lived with his step-father, Lolo Soetoro, and mother in the Menteng-Dalam district of Jakarta from 1967 to 1971. There is a strong reason to believe that Obama's mother sent her son back to live with her parents in Honolulu because of a physically-abusive behavior by Obama's step-father.

From WMR's August 19 report: "Obama maintains that his mother and father first met in a Russian-language class at the University of Hawaii in 1960. However, a photograph has emerged of Stanley Armour welcoming Barack Obama, Sr., complete with traditional Hawaiian welcoming leis, from Kenya. Obama, Sr. was the only Kenyan student airlifted to Hawaii as part of the CIA-inspired Airlift Africa project that saw Obama and 279 other students from British eastern and southern African colonies brought to the United States for college degrees prior to their homelands gaining independence from Britain. The students were selected by Kenyan nationalist leader Tom Mboya who would later conduct surveillance for the CIA at pan-African nationalist meetings."

Stanley Dunham (third from right) welcomes Barack Obama, Sr. (fourth from right) to Honolulu.

WMR has learned that unlike the 2008 campaign, a wealth of negative information on Obama's past will soon surface that will dissuade him from seeking another term. In the re-trial of former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich, scheduled to begin on April 20, 2011, new information on Obama's relationship with jailed political campaign funder and businessman Tony Rezko will reportedly be made available. Meanwhile, a team of ex-CIA agents continues to scour through files around the world in search of documents on Obama and his family.

Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist, author and syndicated columnist. He has written for several renowned papers and blogs.
Madsen is a regular contributor on Russia Today. He has been a frequent political and national security commentator on Fox News and has also appeared on ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera, and MS-NBC. Madsen has taken on Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity on their television shows. He has been invited to testifty as a witness before the US House of Representatives, the UN Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, and an terrorism investigation panel of the French government.

As a U.S. Naval Officer, he managed one of the first computer security pro

Ed Jewett
11-18-2010, 09:06 PM
Well, this certainly is interesting. It sheds light on the business of doing business, the nation's businsess, nobody's business, and re-arranging the furniture upstairs. It goes toward a long-standing theory of mine, gets added to a budding bibliography, and no doubt will bring defensive and offensive shots from other points on the compass. It certainly deserves watching, further research, etc., and not derisive dismissal. It's just information, and a working thesis. The issue is whether it will, over time, hold up under scrutiny. The biz about the nanny and the abuse is especially, ah, curious,

David Starks
11-18-2010, 09:51 PM
The Obama not having a birth certificate is a bogus conspiracy theory!

I tried very hard to find evidence and there is not only little, but there
is NONE. I am moderate... and could care less about left right hate BS,
but I tried really hard to run this down. Hawaii does not realease ANY
birth certificates. That is State law, so no one can get one on anyone
(possibly unless the person he or herself requests it)? This theory is not
just weak, but abysmally weak. I spent *hours* wasting my time. Even
Ann Coulter proclaimed it bogus because all of the right wing types were
trying so hard to verify it because they hate Obama so much. Get real!




Here is a link where it appears all three episodes are together,

http://www.infowars.com/jesse-venturas-conspiracy-theory-police-state-fema-camps/

Now my standard disclaimer, I have serious misgivings about Infowars and Mr. Jones, I stongly suspect that he may be a CNP shill (Council For National Policy) and the constant harranguing of illegal aliens as well as the birther nonsense is a huge turnoff but there is still some worthwhile material there and the guests are often pretty good.

EE

Ed, thanks for the link. For those who don't get tru tv. I did catch this episode last Friday night. Chilling.
Sad to hear that hometown boy Alex is a damn birther. That brings him down several notches in my book.
Dawn

Dawn...sorry to hear that I will go down a notch or two in your book also.

I assume you are referring to the Obama lack of a birth certificate. I
strongly believe that the coverup is in place regarding his citizenship.
I predict a legal morass when the truth is finally exposed and every
bill he signed is nullified.

Jack

Jack White
11-18-2010, 10:50 PM
From Defend Our Freedoms.org; Dr. Orly Taitz, of California, has published an open letter to Congress. The first two paragraphs are as follows:

Dear Senators and Congressmen:

Thank you for taking the time to review the documentation relevant to the Constitutional legitimacy of the presidency Barack Obama. There have been various problems with the vetting of Mr. Obama throughout the campaign and the present. I’d like to take the opportunity to highlight the most pertinent and alarming issues that have been clearly revealed. I’m sure you will agree that this information must be further investigated promptly before any damage is done to the United States and its citizens—beyond the Constitutional compromises that currently exist. Most interesting, though, is the fact that Mr. Obama has not simply ordered the original vault copy of his birth certificate to be sealed and chosen to retain three (3) law firms to defend the various cases—spending a reported $800,000 (of whose money?). If Mr. Obama has nothing to hide, then why fight the more than 42 cases in federal courts alone (According to Justia) and similar number in state courts of which the merits are well-founded and substantiated through factual evidence, state and federal statutes, and international laws. Main issue is that the state of HI, according to statue 338 allows Foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to obtain Hawaiian birth certificates and obtain them based on a statement of one relative only. There is plenty of evidence of Mr. Obama being born in Kenya and obtaining his Hawaiian birth certificate based on a statement of his grandparent only, who simply didn’t want to deal with immigration and not based on any records from any hospitals. Extensive searches in the State of Hawaii showed no birthing records for his mother Ann Dunham in any hospital in Hawaii.
I would also like to schedule a meeting with you, for which I will fly to Washington, D.C. to personally meet with you in the short term. Having been raised in the former Soviet Union, I am no stranger to horrors of communism, totalitarianism, civilian labor camp rule and I see clearly the path Mr. Obama is taking the United States. It is a downward spiral of total destruction of the constitution and economic infrastructure of this country. I urge you to look at the information thoroughly. Americans need to know that their president is a legitimate president and that their senators and representatives are upholding their oaths:
I hope that you take the time to read the full letter:

http://defendourfreedoms.org/SenatorThuneEtAl1.htm.

Dr. Taitz raises an important question here; Whose money is being spent on this, unnecessary, court fight? I most sincerely hope that it isn’t tax payer money. The income of the Obama household isn’t enough to cover the cost of the legal fight.
All that the, newly elected, President has to do is send one lawyer to court, with the birth certificate, and settle the matter. What he has done, however, is hire a team of lawyers to cover up his past, which raises even more suspicions.
It was leaked, from Occidental College, that the nationality, on his admission records, was listed as Indonesian. You can read the law suit, in PDF, of the Occidental case; Download PDF, and read the other cases at United States Justice Foundation.
One problem, that many have overlooked, is that any legislation, signed by an illegitimate President, can be challenged in court. Any legislation, passed by Congress, must be signed into law by the President. If the President is not qualified, the legislation is void.
No one is above the law and the President is not the king. Mr. Obama has a duty, and responsibility to prove his natural born status. I have to carry a copy of my birth certificate, and DD 214, to gain entry to ports, and prove my citizenship, under the new system of Fascism.
I am not a servant of government, it is to serve me. Mr. Obama should live under the same rules. Requiring individuals to show proof of citizenship, in the normal conduct of business, is un-constitutional. The President meeting the requirements of his office is the law.
The Obama Administration requires applicants to produce much invasive information to qualify for employment. The questionnaire asks about the personal matters of family members, and even, gun ownership. You can view the questionnaire in PDF, from the government web site. If the Obama Administration can require so much information, of employees, he should be able to produce one, common, document.
Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 4, of the united States Constitution states; No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
Let’s take a stand for the Constitution, without it, we live under authoritarianism. We have been, for many years, living under common law, and authoritarianism, and it is time to return to the rule of law; The United States Constitution.

Please take time to sign the petition, requiring Mr. Obama, to produce his birth certificate: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550

Ed Jewett
11-18-2010, 11:17 PM
Maybe the problem is in the framing of the issue.

Rather than see this as a conspiracy about a birth certificate and whether or not the POTUS was actually born inside the United States, perhaps it needs to be investigated and researched on the basis of what is being hidden and why, whether the human being who sits in the Oval Office is who he says he is, or about the processes, both on the surface and in hiding, involved in the selection of candidates for office and their election.

If, in fact, there is any CIA involvement or MK-Ultra-type techniques lurking in the childhood and upbringing of the POTUS (whatever party, skin-color, religion, etc.), then there is a serious political issue in front of the US voters and the world.