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Magda Hassan
11-24-2010, 03:57 AM
Statement from North Korea.

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COMMUNIQUE ISSUED BY KPA SUPREME COMMAND
Pyongyang, November 23 (KCNA) -- The Supreme Command of the Korean People's Army Tuesday released the following communique:
The south Korean puppet group perpetrated such reckless military provocation as firing dozens of shells inside the territorial waters of the DPRK side around Yonphyong Islet in the West Sea of Korea from 13:00 on Nov. 23 despite the repeated warnings of the DPRK while staging the war maneuvers for a war of aggression on it codenamed Hoguk, escalating the tension on the Korean Peninsula.
The above-said military provocation is part of its sinister attempt to defend the brigandish "northern limit line," while frequently infiltrating its naval warships into the territorial waters of the DPRK side under the pretext of "intercepting fishing boats."
The revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK standing guard over the inviolable territorial waters of the country took such decisive military step as reacting to the military provocation of the puppet group with a prompt powerful physical strike.
It is a traditional mode of counter-action of the army of the DPRK to counter the firing of the provocateurs with merciless strikes.
Should the south Korean puppet group dare intrude into the territorial waters of the DPRK even 0.001 mm, the revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK will unhesitatingly continue taking merciless military counter-actions against it.
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It should bear in mind the solemn warning of the revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK that they do not make an empty talk.
There is in the West Sea of Korea only the maritime military demarcation line set by the DPRK.
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Peter Presland
11-24-2010, 08:11 AM
From Stephen Gowans: (http://gowans.wordpress.com/2010/11/23/north-korea-attacks-south-korea%e2%80%a6or-is-it-the-other-way-around/)

If you read Mark McDonald’s article in The New York Times, “‘Crisis Status’ in South Korea After North Shells Island (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/world/asia/24korea.html?_r=2&hp)”, the answer depends on whether you paid attention to the headline, the expert commentary, and the tone of the article, or whether you paid attention to the facts.
If you paid attention to the former then North Korea attacked South Korea.
If you paid attention to the latter, the opposite is true.
Here are the facts McDonald reported.
o 70,000 South Korean troops were beginning a military drill…sharply criticized by Pyongyang as “simulating an invasion of the North” and “a means to provoke a war.”
o ROK artillery units fired toward the DPRK from a battery close to the North Korean coast. The South acknowledges firing the shots.
o The DPRK replied.
Shouldn’t the headline read: ‘Crisis Status’ in North Korea after South Korea Mobilizes 70,000 Troops and Shells the North’?

Peter Lemkin
11-24-2010, 08:23 AM
One of the wisest statements ever made that applies here is that "in War, the first casualty is the Truth."

Peter Presland
11-24-2010, 12:03 PM
U.S. aircraft carrier to take part in joint drills with S. Korea

From Novosti (http://en.rian.ru/world/20101124/161471953.html): (http://en.rian.ru/world/20101124/161471953.html)




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Nuclear-powered aircraft carrier George Washington

08:14 24/11/2010
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A U.S. naval task force led by the George Washington nuclear-powered aircraft carrier will join South Korean warships in naval exercises on November 28 - December 1, Yonhap news agency said Wednesday.
The United States and South Korea earlier announced joint naval drills in the Yellow Sea off the west coast of the Korean Peninsula.
The drills will be held in the wake of a recent military clash between North Korea and South Korea. The South claimed it returned fire after the North opened artillery fire on the its Yeonpyeong Island in the Yellow Sea on Tuesday, killing at least two South Korean marines. Sixteen others were injured, along with three civilians.
North Korea later blamed the South for causing the incident.
The USS George Washington, which carries 75 combat aircraft and a crew of over 6,000, has already left a U.S. naval base in Yokosuka, Japan, Yonhap said quoting S. Korean and U.S. defense officials.
MOSCOW, November 24, (RIA Novosti)

Magda Hassan
11-24-2010, 12:31 PM
:banghead::puke:

Jan Klimkowski
11-24-2010, 06:23 PM
Yonphyong Islet shows signs of being a new Gulf of Tonkin: a constructed false flag "provocation" providing a bogus pretext for a war that only the Military-Multinational-Intelligence-Complex wants.


Over 1,100 pages of previously classified Vietnam-era transcripts released this week by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee highlight the fact that several Senators knew that the White House and the Pentagon had deceived the American people over the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident.
The latest releases, which document skepticism over the pretext for entry into the Vietnam war, date from 1968.
Four years into the war, senators were at loggerheads with Lyndon B. Johnson. At the time Foreign Relations Committee meetings were held behind closed doors.
It would take over thirty years for the truth to emerge that the Aug. 4, 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident, where US warships were apparently attacked by North Vietnamese PT Boats – an incident that kicked off US involvement in the Vietnam war – was a staged event that never actually took place.

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4267

Peter Lemkin
11-24-2010, 07:52 PM
The 'ol US of A is talkin' of moving back a fleet with nuclear weapons and placing them ashore in S. Korea for the first time in about two decades. Hope you all like 'sparklers, because there are some on both sides intent on making this a 'limited' nuclear hangout!......duck and cover....:goodnight:

Magda Hassan
11-25-2010, 08:29 AM
Korea-stone cops Written by Eric Walberg Wednesday, 24 November 2010 08:15
(http://ericwalberg.com/index.php?view=article&catid=42%3Apeace-and-socialism&id=290%3Akorea-stone-cops&format=pdf&option=com_content&Itemid=95)
(http://ericwalberg.com/index.php?view=article&catid=42%3Apeace-and-socialism&id=290%3Akorea-stone-cops&tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page=&option=com_content&Itemid=95)
(http://ericwalberg.com/index.php?option=com_mailto&tmpl=component&link=aHR0cDovL2VyaWN3YWxiZXJnLmNvbS9pbmRleC5waHA/b3B0aW9uPWNvbV9jb250ZW50JnZpZXc9YXJ0aWNsZSZpZD0yOT A6a29yZWEtc3RvbmUtY29wcyZjYXRpZD00MjpwZWFjZS1hbmQt c29jaWFsaXNtJkl0ZW1pZD05NQ==) Much is being made of North Korea’s shelling of one of 30 disputed islands, Yeonpyeong, which houses a South Korean military base, well inside what should be a demilitarised zone between the two Koreas resulting in the deaths of two South Korean marines and two civilians. The borders were unilaterally drawn by the UN at the end of the 1950-53 war and the countries are still officially in a state of war. Rumours are that the incident is connected to the possible transition of power from North Korean leader Kim Jong Il to his son Kim Jong Un, or to North Korea’s recent announcement that it is proceeding with its nuclear programme.http://ericwalberg.com/images/stories/176471.jpg

The skirmish began Tuesday when North Korea warned the South to halt military drills at the base, after which Seoul began firing artillery directly into disputed waters within sight of the North Korean shore. The North retaliated by shelling the Yeonpyeong military installations. Seoul responded by unleashing its own barrage of howitzers and scrambling fighter jets over the North, killing far more North Koreans though the actual number is not yet know.
The words of condemnation -- of the North -- from UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and US President Barack Obama for the “provocation” flowed, as expected. Obama used the occasion to reaffirmed plans to stage joint military exercises later this week in the Yellow Sea, the latest in its own provocations of both North Korea and China this year, following the sinking of a South Korean warship in an earlier joint US-South Korean military “exercise”. Accusations that North Korea torpedoed the Cheonan, killing 46 sailors, were undermined by evidence pointing to the US itself. Pyongyang denied responsibility.

400 of the 1,700 residents of Yeonpyeong were evacuated. Instead of demilitarising the disputed islands and agreeing to mediation, the South Korean government announced it would strengthen its military forces there and halt aid to the North, while the North warned of more military strikes if the South encroaches on the maritime border by "even 0.001 millimetre."
That the provocation is from the South Korea side, with its pro-US President Lee Myung-bak, who has made his anti-communist sentiments clear in the past, is confirmed by the fact that the incident failed to scare off investors, with South Korea's stock market experiencing only a momentary ripple.


From Peace & Socialism



Korea-stone cops (http://ericwalberg.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=290:korea-stone-cops&catid=42:peace-and-socialism&Itemid=95)
Much is being made of North Korea’s shelling of one of 30 disputed islands, Yeonpyeong, which houses a South Korean military base, well inside what should be a demilitarised zone between the two Koreas resulting in the deaths of two South Korean marines and two civilians. The borders were unilaterally drawn by the UN at the end of the 1950-53 war and the countries are still officially in a state of war. Rumours are that the incident is connected to the possible transition of power from North Korean leader Kim Jong Il to his son Kim Jong Un, or to North Korea’s recent announcement that it is proceeding with its nuclear programme.http://ericwalberg.com/images/stories/176471.jpg

The skirmish began Tuesday when North Korea warned the South to halt military drills at the base, after which Seoul began firing artillery directly into disputed waters within sight of the North Korean shore. The North retaliated by shelling the Yeonpyeong military installations. Seoul responded by unleashing its own barrage of howitzers and scrambling fighter jets over the North, killing far more North Koreans though the actual number is not yet know.
The words of condemnation -- of the North -- from UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and US President Barack Obama for the “provocation” flowed, as expected. Obama used the occasion to reaffirmed plans to stage joint military exercises later this week in the Yellow Sea, the latest in its own provocations of both North Korea and China this year, following the sinking of a South Korean warship in an earlier joint US-South Korean military “exercise”. Accusations that North Korea torpedoed the Cheonan, killing 46 sailors, were undermined by evidence pointing to the US itself. Pyongyang denied responsibility.

400 of the 1,700 residents of Yeonpyeong were evacuated. Instead of demilitarising the disputed islands and agreeing to mediation, the South Korean government announced it would strengthen its military forces there and halt aid to the North, while the North warned of more military strikes if the South encroaches on the maritime border by "even 0.001 millimetre."
That the provocation is from the South Korea side, with its pro-US President Lee Myung-bak, who has made his anti-communist sentiments clear in the past, is confirmed by the fact that the incident failed to scare off investors, with South Korea's stock market experiencing only a momentary ripple.

http://ericwalberg.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=290%3Akorea-stone-cops&catid=42%3Apeace-and-socialism&Itemid=95

Myra Bronstein
11-25-2010, 01:17 PM
Is the implication of this thread that N. Korea didn't actually carry out the bombing but is being blamed for it? Or that N. Korea did carry out the bombing as part of a larger operation like provoking a nuclear incident, which is part of an even larger operation like WW3? Or none of the above?

In other words what is the significance of this episode?

Magda Hassan
11-25-2010, 01:30 PM
NK didn't start anything. South Korea was having war 'games' on the border. The scenario was an invasion of NK . And then they ooops! accidentally lobbed a few bombs over into the North. The north lobbed a few bombs back onto a military installation. The US and SK scream hysterically at this and the mainstream media only has the US and SK version of events. Death toll in the North is higher than the south but that is not reported. US is bringing even more killing machines to the area. No doubt they are desperate for a major distraction from all the shit going down, Wikileaks, banks, TSA, Eurozone, Pipelineistan. If they can drag China into something and upset their economy all the better.

Myra Bronstein
11-25-2010, 01:36 PM
NK didn't start anything. South Korea was having war 'games' on the border. The scenario was an invasion of NK . And then they ooops! accidentally lobbed a few bombs over into the North. The north lobbed a few bombs back onto a military installation. The US and SK scream hysterically at this and the mainstream media only has the US and SK version of events. Death toll in the North is higher than the south but that is not reported. US is bringing even more killing machines to the area. No doubt they are desperate for a major distraction from all the shit going down, Wikileaks, banks, TSA, Eurozone, Pipelineistan. If they can drag China into something and upset their economy all the better.

Thanks Maggie. Is this merely a distraction or is it part of a larger strategy? Why is SK provoking NK? Is it to justify attacking NK since NK wants (has?) nukes? Or to actually start a conflict between SK/NK and push us closer to WW3?

Magda Hassan
11-25-2010, 01:51 PM
I'm sure they would dearly love to get rid of that place but like Cuba it would cost too much in acceptable gamesmanship in the international stage and there are no resources of any great value to make it worth while. If they provoke the NKs into an over reaction, and they have been trying during the decades they might be in with a chance.

Peter Presland
11-27-2010, 08:12 PM
Interesting and plausible sounding stuff on Global Research about a US nuclear sub sinking same place/same time as the Cheonan.

North Korea: Who Sank the Cheonan? Who Sank the US Atomic Submarine? (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=SAK20101127&articleId=22132)
The sinking of the US submarine was not reported (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=SAK20101127&articleId=22132)

by Tanaka Sakai


Editor's note

This article by investigative reporter Tanaka Sakai reveals that a US atomic submarine was also sunk at the time of the Cheonan incident, pointing to the possibility of friendly fire between the two vessels.

"But around the time of this incident another sinking occurred that has hardly been reported in Japan. Near the site of the sinking of the Cheonan, a colossal object, which appears to be a US submarine, was found to have sunk. An ROK underwater team searched for, and on April 7 South Korea’s KBS TV showed, a US helicopter carrying what seems to be the body of a US soldier. KBS is a public broadcasting station with the highest credibility in South Korea."

"ROK and US authorities did their best to hide the fact that a US submarine sank at about the same time as the Cheonan.... On the day of the incident, the exercise was underway. After the incident, the US-ROK authorities made no mention of the fact that the joint military exercise was in progress. But the day after the incident, various ROK media and newspapers reported that the Cheonan might have been sunk by friendly fire during the military exercise."
Michel Chossudovsky, November 27, 2010Use the above link for the full article - Lots of graphics/maps etc.

If a US sub was sunk, then I can't see how it can be hidden for long. How many has the US got? Which were taking part in the 'exercise'? Should be possible to narrow things down to a few subs etc etc with a bit of serious digging.

Charles Drago
11-27-2010, 10:07 PM
So what we have here is an unidentified submerged object.

Or nothing at all.

Peter Lemkin
11-27-2010, 10:11 PM
I am not up on this enough to opine on whether or not it is likely if a US sub sank, but if one did, yes, it could be covered-up and moved and removed all underwater - made to 'disappear'.....or the real reason of its sinking faked and hidden like the Kursk. :flute: