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Peter Lemkin
12-04-2010, 02:21 PM
PayPal freezes WikiLeaks account

Online payment company says funds were being used for 'illegal activity' in violation of its rules

Jonathan Haynes
guardian.co.uk, Saturday 4 December 2010 10.19 GMT
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WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. Photograph: Valentin Flauraud/Reuters

PayPal has frozen WikiLeaks' account in the latest action against the whistleblower website, which has been posting leaked US embassy cables online.

The decision by the online payment site – which WikiLeaks had used to raise funds for web hosting and other costs – has been announced with a posting on PayPal's blog.

PayPal, owned by the auction website eBay, said the account had been frozen because it was being used for "illegal" activity.

This week Amazon withdrew its cloud hosting of WikiLeaks' cables site and the WikiLeaks.org domain was taken offline. It has since moved to other domains based outside America.

PayPal said: "PayPal has permanently restricted the account used by WikiLeaks due to a violation of the PayPal acceptable use policy, which states that our payment service cannot be used for any activities that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity. We've notified the account holder of this action."

Magda Hassan
12-04-2010, 02:25 PM
Definitely. And Amazon.

Peter Lemkin
12-04-2010, 02:41 PM
Definitely. And Amazon.

How could I forget.....I think there will soon be quite a list to add to it vis-a-vis Wikileaks. I expect the credit card companies will be next, then Sweden, and many others...coming to a free-speech free zone soon!

Myra Bronstein
12-04-2010, 05:52 PM
Definitely. And Amazon.

How could I forget.....I think there will soon be quite a list to add to it vis-a-vis Wikileaks. I expect the credit card companies will be next, then Sweden, and many others...coming to a free-speech free zone soon!

In general the boycott is one of the few tactics available to ordinary people to fight the power of the monster corporations, governments, etc.

David Guyatt
12-04-2010, 06:02 PM
I entirely concur Myra. I told Paypal to close my account today.

Dawn Meredith
12-05-2010, 12:45 PM
I entirely concur Myra. I told Paypal to close my account today.

I have never had an account and now will not but use Amazon to buy books.
Does anyone know of another site to buy books online? I need to buy a couple of Christmas gifts and was going to get books.

Dawn

Magda Hassan
12-05-2010, 01:29 PM
Borders and Barnes and Noble in the states. Your local book shop will get books in for you too.

Peter Lemkin
12-05-2010, 02:06 PM
I entirely concur Myra. I told Paypal to close my account today.

I have never had an account and now will not but use Amazon to buy books.
Does anyone know of another site to buy books online? I need to buy a couple of Christmas gifts and was going to get books.

Dawn

Abe's Books is best IMO for older, used, hard to find. He also has new.

Myra Bronstein
12-05-2010, 04:58 PM
I entirely concur Myra. I told Paypal to close my account today.

I have never had an account and now will not but use Amazon to buy books.
Does anyone know of another site to buy books online? I need to buy a couple of Christmas gifts and was going to get books.

Dawn

Abe's Books is best IMO for older, used, hard to find. He also has new.

Abes is good.

Also Powells in Portland. It's great. And Powells is a union shop.
http://www.powells.com/

Carsten Wiethoff
12-05-2010, 06:50 PM
For used books I have good experience with betterworldbooks.com.

Magda Hassan
12-06-2010, 10:11 AM
Great info there folks. Thanks! :party:

David Guyatt
12-06-2010, 12:53 PM
It's taken a bit longer because of open orders, but I've now closed my Amazon account in addition to Paypal. Both organizations have been left in no doubt why this has happened.

The hell with them...

Peter Lemkin
12-06-2010, 03:33 PM
It's taken a bit longer because of open orders, but I've now closed my Amazon account in addition to Paypal. Both organizations have been left in no doubt why this has happened.

The hell with them...

I assume you got the same PATHETIC and disingenuous reply Pay Pal is sending out to all those closing their accounts due to their closing Wikileaks account, as I did. I won't dignify it with posting it here. It did, however, end with the insipid PR ploy of "I understand your frustration regarding this matter." To which I fired off a very angry response that I wasn't 'frustrated' but FURIOUS and telling them it was the USG and Pay Pal doing wrong, not Wikileaks! :eviltongue: :reddy:

David Guyatt
12-06-2010, 04:23 PM
Nothing so grand. I'd love to send a furious :eviltongue: reply....

Peter Lemkin
12-06-2010, 07:22 PM
Nothing so grand. I'd love to send a furious :eviltongue: reply....

OK. Here it is. Also note that Pay Pal is now located in Luxemburg - I'm sure I don't have to explain the 'significance' of that to you, David.:flowers: [also note the presumption of guilt, without trial or conviction of a cirme on the word of the OVERMASTERS of the Univreverse! The fucking Pay Pal man won't even dare post his last name, just 'Ian'.

Mr. Lemkin,
Thank you for contacting PayPal regarding WikiLeaks.
PayPal has permanently restricted the account used by WikiLeaks due to a
violation of the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy, which states that our
payment service cannot be used for any activities that encourage,
promote, facilitate, or instruct others to engage in illegal activity.
We've notified the account holder of this action.


PayPal was not contacted by any government organization in the U.S. or
abroad and asked to take this action. However, the U.S. Department of
State's November 27th letter to WikiLeaks did trigger a review of this
account, which we determined to be in violation of our AUP. The letter
stated that WikiLeaks activities were in violation of U.S. law.


I understand your frustration regarding this matter.


Yours sincerely,
Ian
PayPal

PayPal (Europe) S.Ã r.l. et Cie, S.C.A.
Société en Commandite par Actions
Registered Office: 22-24 Boulevard Royal L-2449, Luxembourg
RCS Luxembourg B 118 349

Peter Lemkin
12-06-2010, 08:06 PM
Open Letter to Amazon.com
December 5th, 2010

I’m disgusted by Amazon’s cowardice and servility in abruptly terminating its hosting of the Wikileaks website, in the face of threats from Senator Joe Lieberman and other Congressional right-wingers. I want no further association with any company that encourages legislative and executive officials to aspire to China’s control of information and deterrence of whistle-blowing.

For the last several years, I’ve been spending over $100 a month on new and used books from Amazon. That’s over. I have contacted Customer Service to ask Amazon to terminate immediately my membership in Amazon Prime and my Amazon credit card and account, to delete my contact and credit information from their files and to send me no more notices.

I understand that many other regular customers feel as I do and are responding the same way. Good: the broader and more immediate the boycott, the better.I hope that these others encourage their contact lists to do likewise and to let Amazon know exactly why they’re shifting their business. I’ve asked friends today to suggest alternatives. I’ve removed all links to Amazon from my site, and I’ll be exploring service from Powell’s Books, IndieBound, Biblio and others.

So far Amazon has spared itself the further embarrassment of trying to explain its action openly. This would be a good time for Amazon insiders who know and perhaps can document the political pressures that were brought to bear—and the details of the hasty kowtowing by their bosses—to leak that information. They can send it to Wikileaks (now on servers outside the US), to mainstream journalists or bloggers, or perhaps to a site like antiwar.com, which has now appropriately ended its book-purchasing association with Amazon and called a boycott.

If you’d like to read further analysis of your cowardice, I suggest you see this excellent article by Glenn Greenwald (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/01/lieberman/index.html).

Yours (no longer),

Daniel Ellsberg

from: http://www.ellsberg.net/

Keith Millea
12-06-2010, 08:25 PM
I’ve removed all links to Amazon from my site, and I’ll be exploring service from Powell’s Books, IndieBound, Biblio and others.


I've been to Powell's Books a few times.They are located in Portland,and have an extremely fine reputation here in the NorthWest.They have been around for many many years.Give them your business,we're one of the top States for unemployment.

David Guyatt
12-07-2010, 02:00 PM
Can we add Mastercard to this list too.

Tell your bank that you want to take your debt bondage business to another bank that doesn't tie you to Mastercard.

How fucking dare they tell us how to spend our money.

David Guyatt
12-07-2010, 02:09 PM
Visa have just announced they've also suspended all payments to Wikileaks....

Options are being limited. All other cards will now join suit as clearly cutting him off financially is an important part of the plan -- as well as holding him in solitary in Sweden if he is extradited there.

I wonder if a Assenge defence fund could be established and that all payments be directed there. And the need will be to set up several other contingency accounts also, I suspect.

Peter Lemkin
12-07-2010, 03:59 PM
Visa have just announced they've also suspended all payments to Wikileaks....

Options are being limited. All other cards will now join suit as clearly cutting him off financially is an important part of the plan -- as well as holding him in solitary in Sweden if he is extradited there.

I wonder if a Assenge defence fund could be established and that all payments be directed there. And the need will be to set up several other contingency accounts also, I suspect.

They already do have one direct bank account [last I looked was not blocked - but no doubt soon would be]. It will take a very small and 'strong' alternative bank to not give in to pressure from the Big Boys. I will check again the status and post. Yes, however, alternate sites and accounts are necessary. This really is a 'whack the mole' game. I'm totally disgusted by this whole affair. I fear it will end badly unless we all fight hard and boycott all who have blocked or stopped Wikileaks and their money.

Peter Lemkin
12-07-2010, 04:18 PM
4.14pm: Charles Arthur, the Guardian's technology editor, points out that while MasterCard and Visa have cut WikiLeaks off you can still use those cards to donate to overtly racist organisations such as the Knights Party, which is supported by the Ku Klux Klan.

The Ku Klux Klan website directs users to a site called Christian Concepts. It takes Visa and MasterCard donations for users willing to state that they are "white and not of racially mixed descent. I am not married to a non-white. I do not date non-whites nor do I have non-white dependents. I believe in the ideals of western Christian civilisation and profess my belief in Jesus Christ as the son of God."

Peter Lemkin
12-07-2010, 08:22 PM
For the moment, I believe the only ways to donate to Wikileaks are these below.

Donations to the Wau Holland Stiftung Bank informations:
Commerzbank Kassel,
bank number (BLZ) 52040021,
Account number (Konto) 277281204
(or you can use IBAN: DE46520400210277281204, BIC: COBADEFF520)

Sunshine Press Productions ehf
Skulagata 19, 101 Reykjavik, Iceland
Landsbanki Islands Account number 0111-26-611010
BANK/SWIFT:NBIIISREXXX
ACCOUNT/IBAN:IS97 0111 2661 1010 6110 1002 80

Wau Holland Stiftung
Bank Account: 2772812-04
IBAN: DE46 5204 0021 0277 2812 04
BIC Code: COBADEFFXXX
Bank: Commerzbank Kassel
German BLZ: 52040021
Subject: WIKILEAKS / WHS Projekt 04

Carsten Wiethoff
12-09-2010, 07:02 PM
I post this for its amusement value, it has the potential to really hurt amazon, badly.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/WikiLeaks-documents-foreign-conspiracies-CONTAIN/dp/B004EEOLIU/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

( I quote, in case the original disappears)


Start reading WikiLeaks documents expose US foreign policy conspiracies... on your Kindle in under a minute. Don’t have a Kindle? Get your Kindle here (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002Y27P46/ref=dp_kinw_strp_0).

...

Product Description

The batch of 250,000 US classified documents released by WikiLeaks to several news outlets, some of whose content was made public Sunday, sheds new light on the sordid nature of American imperialist intrigue and conspiracy around the globe.

The Author will analyze the documents more thoroughly in a subsequent article, but "highlights" published by the Guardian and the New York Times are revealing.

The leaked material consists of classified cables from US embassies, some dispatched as recently as early 2010. The cables, most of which date from 2007-2010, contain US officials' comments on foreign governments and leaders and speculation about the activities and maneuvers of the latter, as well as details about American foreign policy operations.

In a revelation that should surprise no one, the US State Department and American diplomacy in general turn out to be a vast nest of spies.

The Guardian explains that the WikiLeaks documents "reveal how the US uses its embassies as part of a global espionage network, with diplomats tasked to obtain not just information from the people they meet, but personal details, such as frequent flyer numbers, credit card details and even DNA material.Holy Bullshit!:elefant:
Do read the customer reviews, maybe you want to write one as well?

Ahem, just checked what other things this Heinz Duthel wrote, and I must say, bizarre...

Peter Lemkin
12-09-2010, 07:17 PM
I post this for its amusement value, it has the potential to really hurt amazon, badly.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/WikiLeaks-documents-foreign-conspiracies-CONTAIN/dp/B004EEOLIU/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

( I quote, in case the original disappears)


Start reading WikiLeaks documents expose US foreign policy conspiracies... on your Kindle in under a minute. Don’t have a Kindle? Get your Kindle here (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002Y27P46/ref=dp_kinw_strp_0).

...

Product Description

The batch of 250,000 US classified documents released by WikiLeaks to several news outlets, some of whose content was made public Sunday, sheds new light on the sordid nature of American imperialist intrigue and conspiracy around the globe.

The Author will analyze the documents more thoroughly in a subsequent article, but "highlights" published by the Guardian and the New York Times are revealing.

The leaked material consists of classified cables from US embassies, some dispatched as recently as early 2010. The cables, most of which date from 2007-2010, contain US officials' comments on foreign governments and leaders and speculation about the activities and maneuvers of the latter, as well as details about American foreign policy operations.

In a revelation that should surprise no one, the US State Department and American diplomacy in general turn out to be a vast nest of spies.

The Guardian explains that the WikiLeaks documents "reveal how the US uses its embassies as part of a global espionage network, with diplomats tasked to obtain not just information from the people they meet, but personal details, such as frequent flyer numbers, credit card details and even DNA material.Holy Bullshit!:elefant:
Do read the customer reviews, maybe you want to write one as well?

Ahem, just checked what other things this Heinz Duthel wrote, and I must say, bizarre...

It is all about money...not ethics, morality nor political conviction.....no surprise there.....

Christer Forslund
12-09-2010, 07:27 PM
Flattr, based in Malmö, Sweden, transfers money donations to WikiLeaks and others. The last 24 hours most donations went to WikiLeaks.

Flattr is a micropayment system - more specifically, a microdonation system.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flattr (http://www.dogpile.com/clickserver/_iceUrlFlag=1?rawURL=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org %2Fwiki%2FFlattr&0=&1=0&4=92.32.95.173&5=92.32.95.173&9=2961fd1f570d4f4b9755d7137797cb01&10=1&11=info.dogpl&13=search&14=239138&15=main-title&17=2&18=3&19=0&20=0&21=2&22=cDbkPZSQ8CA%3D&23=0&40=tlbooU30NsA%3D&_IceUrl=true)

Flattr - Social micropayments (http://www.dogpile.com/clickserver/_iceUrlFlag=1?rawURL=http%3A%2F%2Fflattr.com%2F&0=&1=0&4=92.32.95.173&5=92.32.95.173&9=2961fd1f570d4f4b9755d7137797cb01&10=1&11=info.dogpl&13=search&14=239138&15=main-title&17=1&18=1&19=0&20=0&21=1&22=97qd7zi7kpM%3D&23=0&40=xq1OfMmRg4supXE%2F9L0ZQA%3D%3D&_IceUrl=true)

Peter Presland
12-09-2010, 07:50 PM
Flattr, based in Malmö, Sweden, transfers money donations to WikiLeaks and others. The last 24 hours most donations went to WikiLeaks.

Flattr is a micropayment system - more specifically, a microdonation system.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flattr (http://www.dogpile.com/clickserver/_iceUrlFlag=1?rawURL=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org %2Fwiki%2FFlattr&0=&1=0&4=92.32.95.173&5=92.32.95.173&9=2961fd1f570d4f4b9755d7137797cb01&10=1&11=info.dogpl&13=search&14=239138&15=main-title&17=2&18=3&19=0&20=0&21=2&22=cDbkPZSQ8CA%3D&23=0&40=tlbooU30NsA%3D&_IceUrl=true)

Flattr - Social micropayments (http://www.dogpile.com/clickserver/_iceUrlFlag=1?rawURL=http%3A%2F%2Fflattr.com%2F&0=&1=0&4=92.32.95.173&5=92.32.95.173&9=2961fd1f570d4f4b9755d7137797cb01&10=1&11=info.dogpl&13=search&14=239138&15=main-title&17=1&18=1&19=0&20=0&21=1&22=97qd7zi7kpM%3D&23=0&40=xq1OfMmRg4supXE%2F9L0ZQA%3D%3D&_IceUrl=true)
But if my reading of their FAQ is correct (link at bottom of page), Wikileaks will require a functioning PayPal account to get the money out since PayPal is currently the only withdrawal mechanism offered. They're going to have to do something about that.

Christer Forslund
12-10-2010, 08:09 PM
That seemed to be a good observation.
So I mailed them about it.


pengarna går via stiftelsen Wau Holland Stiftung, som är knuten till wikileaksThey transfer the money throuh the Wau Holland Stiftung.
Seems they have to re-write the FAQ...

Jan Klimkowski
12-10-2010, 09:52 PM
That seemed to be a good observation.
So I mailed them about it.


pengarna går via stiftelsen Wau Holland Stiftung, som är knuten till wikileaksThey transfer the money throuh the Wau Holland Stiftung.
Seems they have to re-write the FAQ...

Christer - thank you!