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Peter Lemkin
01-08-2011, 07:09 PM
Small crowd at some political event outdoors, I think. Shot in head at point blank range. America is on the verge of collapse and I think there are provocateurs pushing at the edges of the cliff/abyss! Others injured. She was Jewish and at a quick look, somewhat progressive.

Gabrielle Giffords, a congresswoman from Arizona, was shot in the head on Saturday at a public event at a grocery store in Tucson, according to her spokesman, C. J. Karamargin, and news reports.

She was taken to University Medical Center in Tucson, the trauma center for the area, about 10 miles away. She died in surgery.

CNN quoted a public information officer for the sheriff’s office as saying that 12 people had been injured in all and that the shooting had occurred around 10 a.m. local time.

An employee at a nearby store told CNN that he heard a steady stream of gun fire that appeared sustained “random.” Shortly after, emergency vehicles filled the parking lot around the grocery story and cordoned off the area.

The shooting occurred at a Safeway supermarket in northwest Tucson as Ms. Giffords hosted an event, called “Congress on Your Corner, to allow members of the 8th Congressional District to meet her individually. She has held several events since first taking office in January 2007. At one such event in 2009, a protester was removed by police when his pistol fell on the supermarket floor.

Last March, her Tucson office was vandalized a few hours after the House vote overhauling the nation’s health care system, the authorities said. Earlier events in Tucson, Oro Valley, Green Valley, Sierra Vista, and Douglas had attracted between 75 and 150 people, according to a statement announcing the event. This was her first event since her re-election to a third term in November.

Ms. Giffords, 40, was interviewed on Fox news on Friday to talk about a bill to cut to congressional salaries by 5 percent.

She married Cmdr. Mark E. Kelly, 46, a NASA astronaut and Navy pilot from New Jersey, in December 2007 at a wedding attended by Robert B. Reich, the former Labor secretary.
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Giffords was first sworn in as a congresswoman on January 3, 2007. She is the third woman in Arizona's history to be elected to serve in the U.S. Congress. In her inaugural speech on the floor of the House of Representatives, Giffords said a comprehensive immigration reform package needs to include modern technology to secure the border, more border patrol agents, tough employer sanctions for businesses that knowingly hire illegal immigrants, and a guest-worker program. In her first month in office, Congresswoman Giffords voted to support increased federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research, raising the minimum wage, endorsing the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission, and supporting new rules for the House of Representatives targeting ethical issues. Giffords also voted to repeal subsidies to big oil companies and invest the savings in renewable energy. "We put our national security at risk by relying on oil from unstable regimes in the Middle East and Latin America," Giffords told her colleagues in a speech on the House floor during debate on the Clean Energy Act. The act repeals $14 billion in subsidies given to oil companies and establishes a Strategic Renewable Energy Reserve to increase research in clean renewable energy, to develop greater energy efficiency, and to improve energy conservation.

During the 2007 session of Congress, Giffords introduced a bill (H.R. 1441)[1] that forbids the sale of F-14 aircraft parts on the open market.[2] She also voted for the contentious May 2007 Iraq Emergency Supplemental Spending bill, saying, "I cannot, in good conscience, allow the military to run out of money while American servicemen and women are being attacked every day".[3]

Giffords is a member of the Blue Dog Coalition and the New Democrat Coalition. She is the only member of the U.S. Congress whose spouse, astronaut Mark E. Kelly, is an active duty member of the U.S. military.[4] She is also known as a strong proponent of solar energy as well as for her work to secure the border with Mexico.[5][6]

On January 8, 2011, Giffords was shot outside a Safeway in northwest Tucson during her first "Congress on Your Corner" gathering of the year. At least nine others were injured when a man ran up to the crowd and began firing.[7]
Committee assignments
Committee on Armed Services
Subcommittee on Readiness
Subcommittee on Air and Land Forces
Committee on Foreign Affairs
Subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere
Committee on Science and Technology
Subcommittee on Energy and the Environment
Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics (Chairwoman)
Political positions
Abortion

Giffords is pro-choice and has a 100% rating from NARAL.[8]
Economic policy

Giffords voted for Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008,[9] and for American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.[10]
Education

Giffords argues that Americans are competing on a global level and that this competition starts in the classroom. She is a critic of the No Child Left Behind law, viewing it as an unfunded federal mandate. She is a graduate of public schools and supports them with a variety of proposals to make them more effective.[citation needed]
Energy

Giffords believes that renewable energy sources needs to be a top public policy priority and she is a strong proponent of solar energy.[11]

Tucson Weekly noted a letter Giffords sent, on August 1, 2008, to congressional leaders regarding tax credits that were set to expire. She wrote "failure to extend the tax credits would deal a devastating blow to the U.S. renewable energy industry, just as it is beginning to take off."[12]

In September 2007 she released a report titled: The Community Solar Energy Initiative, Solar Energy in Southern Arizona. The report states that Arizona has enough daily sunshine to power the entire United States. It reviews current energy usage and discusses how to increase the production of solar electricity.[13]
Gun rights

Giffords has discussed her gun ownership and support for gun rights [14] opposing the DC gun ban and signing an Amicus curiae brief with the US Supreme Court to support overturning it. [14][15] She has a D+ rating from the NRA[16] and a D- from the GOA.[17]
Immigration and border security

Arizona's 8th Congressional District is one of 10 in the country bordering Mexico. Giffords has stated that the Arizona SB1070 legislation is a "clear calling that the federal government needs to do a better job".[18] and saying that she hopes the legislation acts as a wake up call to the federal government despite the fact that it "does nothing to secure our border". [19]

On August 31, 2010 Congresswoman Giffords praised the arrival of National Guard troops on the border: "Arizonans have waited a long time for the deployment of the National Guard in our state. Their arrival represents a renewed national commitment to protecting our border communities from drug cartels and smugglers."[20]

Giffords worked to secure passage of the August 2010 bill to to fund more Border Patrol agents and surveillance technology for Arizona’s border with Mexico. The legislation passed the House of Representatives only to be sent back by the U.S. Senate with reduced funding. Ultimately a $600 million bill was passed and signed in to law. The bill was over $100 million less than Giffords fought for, but she said that “This funding signals a stronger federal commitment to protect those Americans who live and work near the border.”[21]

In 2008, Giffords introduced legislation that would have increased the cap on the H-1B visa from 65,000 per year to 130,000 per year.[22] If that was not sufficient, according to her legislation, the cap would have been increased to 180,000 per year.[23] The bill would have allowed, at most, 50% of employees at any given company with at least 50 employees to be H-1B guest workers.[24] A large number of H-1B visas are used by outsourcing companies, as five of the top ten users of the visa are regularly outsourcing corporations.[25] Giffords claimed the bill would help high-tech companies in southern Arizona, some of which rely on H1-B employees.[24] Giffords' bill was never voted on by the house of representatives.
Elections
2010
See also: United States House of Representatives elections in Arizona, 2010#District 8

On November 5, 2010, the Associated Press declared Giffords the victor after a close race against Republican Jesse Kelly.[26] Kelly was listed as a top ten Tea Party candidate to watch by Politico. He is described as "so conservative that he's slammed Palin for endorsing candidates who are too moderate." [27]
2008
See also: United States House of Representatives elections in Arizona, 2008#District 8

In 2008 Giffords was elected to a second term. Republican Tim Bee, a childhood classmate and former colleague in the Arizona State Senate, ran against her. Bee was then the Arizona State Senate President and was considered a strong challenger in this race. Despite the presence of McCain atop the ticket as the Republican presidential candidate, Giffords was reelected with 56.20 percent of the vote to Bee's 41.45 percent.[28]
2006
See also: Arizona's 8th congressional district election, 2006

Giffords launched her first candidacy for the U.S. Congress on January 24, 2006. The campaign received national attention early on as a likely pick-up for the Democratic Party. Prominent Democrats endorsed Giffords including Tom Daschle, Robert Reich, Janet Napolitano, and Bill Clinton. EMILY's List endorsed Giffords early in the campaign cycle.[29] The Sierra Club and the Arizona Education Association also endorsed her.[30] On September 12, 2006, Giffords won her party's nomination in the primary election.

Her Republican opponent in the general election was Randy Graf, a conservative former state senator known for his enforcement-only position on immigration and illegal aliens. Graf had run against Jim Kolbe in the 2004 GOP primary and had announced his candidacy in 2006 before Kolbe announced his retirement. The Republican establishment was somewhat cool toward Graf, believing he may be too conservative for the district. The national GOP took the unusual step of endorsing one of the more moderate candidates in the primary; but Graf won anyway, helped by a split in the Republican moderate vote between two candidates.

Not long after the primary, Congressional Quarterly changed its rating of the race to "Leans Democrat." By late September, the national GOP had pulled most of its funding, effectively conceding the seat to Giffords.

Giffords won the race on November 7, 2006, with 54 percent of the vote. Graf received 42 percent. The rest of the vote went to minor candidates.

Graf's candidacy was mentioned frequently in the national media as a test case of voters' feelings toward immigration issues, and Giffords' victory was portrayed as evidence that Americans are accepting towards comprehensive immigration reform.[31] Graf did not even carry a majority in Cochise County, a border region where illegal immigration is an important local issue. Nonetheless, Arizona's continuing interest in the issue is evidenced by the fact that all propositions in the general election relating to restricting benefits to illegal aliens did pass by wide margins.
Arizona State Senator and Representative

Giffords began her political career as a legislator in the Arizona House of Representatives, where she served from 2001 to 2003.

Giffords was elected to the Arizona Senate in the fall of 2002 and is the youngest woman ever elected to this body. She took office in January 2003 and was re-elected in 2004. She resigned from the Arizona Senate on December 1, 2005, in preparation for her congressional campaign.

In early 2005, Giffords said of the Arizona Legislature: "The previous two legislatures enjoyed the benefits of a working coalition consisting of Democrats and middle-of-the-road Republicans. Due to a lack of competitive legislative districts and low voter turnout during GOP primaries, a fairly large crop of mostly conservative Republicans will dominate the House and Senate in 2005." Giffords' concerns played out as an increasingly conservative legislature combined with a Democratic governor, led to increased polarity in Arizona politics.[32]

Expanding health care access was an issue of interest for Giffords when she served in the legislature. She also pushed for bills related to mental health and was named by the Mental Health Association of Arizona as the 2004 Legislator of the Year. Giffords also earned the Sierra Club's Most Valuable Player award.[33]

In the legislature, Giffords worked on the bipartisan Children’s Caucus, which sought to improve education and health care for Arizona’s children. Critics of this plan argued that it amounted to taxpayer funded daycare. She worked with Arizona's Governor Janet Napolitano to promote all-day kindergarten. Giffords supported raising more money for schools "through sponsorship of supplemental state aid through bonds and tax credits that could be used for school supplies." She was awarded Arizona Family Literacy’s Outstanding Legislator for 2003.[34]
Business career

Giffords worked as an associate for regional economic development at Price Waterhouse in New York City.

In 1996, she became president and CEO of El Campo Tire Warehouses. El Campo was a local automotive chain founded by her grandfather. In 2000, she oversaw the sale of the company to Goodyear Tire. At the time of the sale she commented on the difficulties local businesses face when competing against large national firms. Giffords said "I’m really proud of being able to return to Arizona and help my family and take over a tire business that had serious challenges."[35]
Education

Giffords graduated from Tucson's University High School.

She received a B.A. in Sociology and Latin American history from Scripps College in Claremont, California, in 1993, and a Master of Regional Planning from Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, in 1996. She focused her studies on Mexico–United States relations while at Cornell. She was a Fulbright Scholar in Chihuahua, Mexico, in 1996 and a fellow at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government.
Personal life

Giffords was born in Tucson, Arizona.

Giffords married U.S. Navy Captain and astronaut Mark E. Kelly on November 10, 2007. He was the space shuttle's pilot on STS-108 and STS-121. STS-121 in 2006 was the first shuttle mission to launch on the Fourth of July. Giffords participated in a NASA tradition when she selected "Beautiful Day" by U2 as one of the wake-up calls for the STS-121 shuttle crew. On May 31, 2008, Kelly launched into orbit for the third time as Commander of STS-124. This mission in to space marked the first time an astronaut was married to a sitting member of the U.S. Congress.[36]

Giffords' parents are Spencer J. Giffords and Gloria Kay Fraser Giffords. Giffords is Arizona's first Jewish Congresswoman.[37] She is a member of Congregation Chaverim in Tucson.

After Hurricane Katrina struck in the late summer of 2005, Giffords spent time as a volunteer in Houston, Texas, in relief efforts for Hurricane victims. She wrote about her experience in the Tucson Citizen.[38]

Giffords is an avid reader and was featured on NPR's Weekend Edition on July 9, 2006. She discussed books she was currently reading, including First Man, a biography of astronaut Neil Armstrong and The Heartless Stone a book by Tom Zoellner about the intricacies of the diamond industry across several continents. Congresswoman Giffords was periodically interviewed together with Illinois Republican Peter Roskam on NPR's All Things Considered. The series focused on their experiences as freshman members of the 110th Congress.
Death

On January 8, 2011, Congresswoman Giffords and at least nine other persons were shot at a "Congress on Your Corner" event at a supermarket in Tucson, Arizona. The suspect was arrested. Giffords died later at University Medical Center in Tucson. [39]
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Peter Lemkin
01-08-2011, 08:01 PM
15 shot, six dead, including Congresswoman. She was on Palin's 'hit list'.

Ed Jewett
01-08-2011, 08:20 PM
Troubling comment about Palin's lists, Peter, especially given existence of prior and current "kill squads" of various stripes. Reference or link? Are we on the verge of open civil warfare with private armies, "militia" of various stripes and allegiances, and more?

Peter Lemkin
01-08-2011, 08:26 PM
Troubling comment about Palin's lists, Peter, especially given existence of prior and current "kill squads" of various stripes. Reference or link? Are we on the verge of open civil warfare with private armies, "militia" of various stripes and allegiances, and more?

I corrected my post above. Palin termed it her 'hit list' of candidates that had to be targeted for replacement by Tea Party neo-whatevers. She used a visual map of the USA with gun-sights at the locations of those districts/members on her 'hit list'.

The man who shot hasn't been identified in any manner yet, but shot over 20-25 shots in rapid fashion. Most killed were the Congresswoman's staff apparently.

Party's over in America...has been a long, long time...I'd date it to Dallas...myself. Certainly picking up steam and about to blast-off into Fascist-Land - a new Disney Theme Park where once stood Amerika.


Back in September:

Twenty House Dems from districts that McCain carried in 2008 voted for the health care bill, and Sarah Palin has a target on every single one.

The targets were released on the six month anniversary of Obamacare, and include a lot of familiar names such as John Boccieri (OH), Chris Carney (P N) Gabrielle Giffords (AZ) and Ann Kirpatrick (AZ). The site invites donations, social networking, and the unbeatable Sarah love that has led to a 26:11 win/loss record of candidates in GOP primaries. Granted, some of those were in safe districts, but she’s also pulled off massive upsets that probably outshadow her less successful picks.

Regardless, this site should go a long way towards knocking off the politicians who put their party affiliation ahead of their constituent’s demands. It was announced via a tweet from SarahPalinUSA: “Lies, Damned Lies – Obamacare 6 Months Later; It’s Time to Take Back the 20!”


Sarah Palin:

Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: “Don’t Retreat, Instead – RELOAD!” Pls see my Facebook page.

Metaphor, no more…:mexican: I'd say today there are other persons who need to beef up their security pronto!!!

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If only there were an easier way to get rid of these Dems--say, a death panel, or something. Sarah Palin has published a list on Facebook of 20 Democratic representatives she wants conservatives [B]to target in November. In order to qualify for Palin’s hit list, these Democrats had to vote “yes” on health care and also come from a district that the McCain-Palin ticket won in 2008. We’re going to fire them and send them back to the private sector, which has been shrinking thanks to their destructive government-growing policies,” Palin threatens. She directs readers to her website, sarahpac.com, to donate to the cause.

Ed Jewett
01-08-2011, 08:39 PM
Thanks, Peter. 'sho nuff.

Ed Jewett
01-08-2011, 08:56 PM
There are mixed reports as to the status of the Congresswoman, some indicating she is dead, some of them retracted, some indicating that she is gravely wounded, in surgery. The spin is already beginning, the demonization, etc. I think I'll sit back and watch without comment.

Peter Lemkin
01-08-2011, 08:59 PM
Reports now have her alive and critical after surgery, but with a Glock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_pistol) gun at point blank range......I hate to sound pessimistic.....if these reports are even true. Part of another article:

Last March, Giffords was one of ten House Democrats who were the subject of harassment over their support for the national health care overhaul. At the time, the front door of Giffords' Tucson office had been shattered in an early morning incident.

Giffords had been a top target by Republicans in the 2010 midterm elections, but managed to win a tough re-election battle against a tea party candidate.

The up-and-coming lawmaker, known as a moderate Democrat who paid close attention to constituent concerns, had been singled out by Sarah Palin's SarahPac as one of the 20 Democrats on the ballot in November who represented states that supported Sen. John McCain for president in 2008. "It's time to take a stand," Palin's fundraising appeal said of Giffords and the other Democrats, who had all supported the health-care bill.

House Speaker John Boehner (R.Ohio) put out a statement saying: "I am horrified by the senseless attack on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords... An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society."

NPR reported that Giffords was talking to a couple outside of a local Safeway when the suspect ran up and fired indiscriminately from about four feet away. The man, described by witnesses as in his late teens or early 20s, was tackled when he tried to flee the scene. Police confirmed that a young man was in custody in connection with the shooting.

The "Congress on Your Corner" program was popular among Democrats elected in recent years from swing districts, as a way of keeping in regular contact with local concerns. The event was the first of Giffords' third term; she took the oath of office for the 112th Congress on Tuesday.

Arizona has been a political hotbed in recent months, especially after the state approved last April restrictive immigration laws that became a conservative rallying cry.

Giffords is a member of the House Blue Dog Democrat coalition, a bloc of moderate and conservative Democrats whose ranks were ravaged by losses in November. Her husband is astronaut Mark E. Kelly.

Her 8th congressional district borders Mexico, and Giffords was judicious in her response to the Arizona immigration law, describing it as a "clear calling that the federal government needs to do a better job."

This was not the first time someone brought a gun to a Giffords event. A protester in August brought a gun to Giffords' Congress on Your Corner event in Douglas. Police were alerted after he dropped the firearm. :mexican:

"When you represent a district that includes the home of the O.K. Corral and Tombstone, 'the Town Too Tough to Die,' nothing's a surprise out in Cochise County," Giffords, D-Ariz., said Tuesday in an interview with The Arizona Republic Editorial Board.

The man in question shouted "some pretty disparaging comments," Giffords said, but "at no point did I ever feel in danger and at no point did I ever feel there was a problem."

Giffords is a former Arizona state senate and house member who had previously served as president of a tire company founded by her father. She was a top recruit in 2006 by Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chairman Rahm Emanuel, viewed as the type of young, middle-of-the-road candidate with crossover appeal. She is a Spanish speaker whose hobbies include motorcycle racing.

Giffords beat a crowded Democratic primary field in 2006, and won 54 percent of the vote in the general election against immigration opponent Randy Graf, to succeed retiring Rep. Jim Kolbe (R-Ariz.). She easily won re-election in 2008.

But the immigration debate sparked by the legal crackdown in her home state became a defining issue in Giffords' campaign last year. She denounced the law as "extreme" and has supported legislation to provide a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrations. But she supported a Republican effort to add National Guard troops along the border, and opposed a crusade led by her homestate colleague Rep. Raul Grijalva (D) to boycott Arizona businesses, in protest of the state law.

Ed Jewett
01-08-2011, 09:03 PM
Arizona: U.S. Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot in the Head (http://cryptogon.com/?p=19761)

January 8th, 2011 Via: Federal Judge John M. Roll Killed in Arizona Attack
Via: MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40978517/ns/politics/):
Federal officials told NBC News that U.S. District Court Judge John M. Roll was among those who was shot and had died. He was the chief judge in Arizona, appointed in 1991 by the first President Bush. He became chief judge in 2006.
—End Update—
Update: Gabrielle Giffords Alive, But in Critical Condition
Via: AZ Capitol Times (http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2011/01/08/giffords-shot-in-head-in-tucson-condition-unknown/):
A hospital spokeswoman said Giffords was alive and in critical condition after the shooting.
—End Update—

Peter Lemkin
01-08-2011, 09:09 PM
Jared Laughner, the man who shot Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), was described by eyewitnesses as a young white man who looked like a "fringe character."

Laughner shot Giffords and 12 others at a public event at a Safeway grocery store in Tucscon. He reportedly shot the congresswoman "point blank" in the head and may have come from inside the store. After shooting Giffords, he allegedly fired 20-30 rounds and hit "a number of people," including a child. He attempted to flee after running out of ammunition and was tackled by one of Giffords' staffers. Where the F were the police? Waiting for him to fire his last shots?!!~

Eyewitnesses have described Laughner as "young, mid-to-late 20s, white, clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing."

He was arrested upon arrival of the sheriff's department.

Peter Lemkin
01-08-2011, 09:27 PM
Six now confirmed dead, including a young child and Federal Judge.

Officers with the Capitol Police force advised members of the House and their aides to "take reasonable and prudent precautions" about their own security in the wake of the shooting.

HA! Anyone left of far right in Nut Nation should buy full body armor now! IMHO...or start thinking to move out of the country.....

Anthony Thorne
01-08-2011, 10:30 PM
Only have a moment to type this as I'm heading out the door, but I think some of it speaks for itself.

The alleged shooter, Jared Loughner, has his own Youtube page here, under the username 'Classitup10':

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/u/1/nHoaZaLbqB4

He is listed as joining October 25th 2010, just a couple of months back.

Full name as listed on the top of the page - JARED LEE LOUGHNER. Do many Youtubers add their middle name like this?

He has picked one video from elsewhere as a favorite, titled AMERICA: YOUR LAST MEMORY IN A TERRORIST.

He has uploaded three videos by himself, in order:

'HELLO'

'INTRODUCTION: JARED LOUGHNER'

'HOW TO: MIND CONTROLLER'

He lists a variety of books as personal favorites.

"Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno."

I smell a rat.

Dawn Meredith
01-08-2011, 10:47 PM
Only have a moment to type this as I'm heading out the door, but I think some of it speaks for itself.

The alleged shooter, Jared Loughner, has his own Youtube page here, under the username 'Classitup10':

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/u/1/nHoaZaLbqB4

He is listed as joining October 25th 2010, just a couple of months back.

Full name as listed on the top of the page - JARED LEE LOUGHNER. Do many Youtubers add their middle name like this?

He has picked one video from elsewhere as a favorite, titled AMERICA: YOUR LAST MEMORY IN A TERRORIST.

He has uploaded three videos by himself, in order:

'HELLO'

'INTRODUCTION: JARED LOUGHNER'

'HOW TO: MIND CONTROLLER'

He lists a variety of books as personal favorites.

"Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno."

I smell a rat.

I agree. Also the media is giving all three of his names...another of their MO's. I just saw a bit on tv and she is expected to recover but...many are critical. And the judge is dead.

I think we all need to start watching this closely.
Dawn

Ed Jewett
01-08-2011, 10:49 PM
I smell a rat.

I agree. Also the media is giving all three of his names...another of their MO's. I just saw a bit on tv and she is expected to recover but...many are critical. And the judge is dead.

I think we all need to start watching this closely.
Dawn


Ayuh.

Albert Doyle
01-08-2011, 10:56 PM
I saw the surgeon say on TV that the Congresswoman was out of surgery and he had good confidence in her recovery.

Ed Jewett
01-08-2011, 11:02 PM
There are unsubstantiated reports that Loughner is an Afghan vet. He was described by eyewitnesses as a young white man who looked like a "fringe character."

Jan Klimkowski
01-08-2011, 11:10 PM
Here's a British newspaper account of the Palin stuff.

Palin issued a statement via Facebook (!!!!!):


Giffords had been named as a political campaign target for conservatives in November's elections by former Alaskan governor Sarah Palin for her strong support of Obama's reforms. Palin had published a "target map" on her website using images of gun sights to identify 20 House Democrats, including Giffords, for backing the new health care law.

Palin came under huge criticism again last night for her campaign and issued a statement via her Facebook page offering her "sincere condolences" to Giffords and her family.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/08/gabrielle-giffords-shot-tucson-arizona

Jan Klimkowski
01-08-2011, 11:20 PM
For the record, at around 9pm London time, I heard a local Arizona network affiliate reporter tell BBC News 24 that the police had told him they were looking for a second gunman. He said this live on air (in an audio feed over rolling pictures of ambulances).

I have so far found no reference on TV breaking news or in online MSM pieces to a second gunman.

Jan Klimkowski
01-08-2011, 11:24 PM
Here's how it's playing out already:


Gabrielle Giffords' father: 'The whole Tea Party were her enemies'

The father of shot American congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords has said that her political stance made her many enemies.

Miss Giffords, a Democrat congresswoman, was shot in the head during a public meeting in Tucson, Arizona.

A lone gunman, described by witnesses as being a white man in his late teens or early twenties, fired into a crowd gathered for a "Congress in your Corner" event outside a supermarket.

Her father Spencer Giffords, 75, wept when asked if his 40-year-old daughter had any enemies.

"Yeah," he told The New York Post. "The whole tea party."

Miss Giffords had been named in March as a political campaign target for conservatives in November’s elections by former Alaska governor Sarah Palin for her strong support for the health reforms of President Barack Obama.

Mrs Palin had published a “target map” on her website using images of gun sights to identify 20 House Democrats, including Miss Giffords, for backing the new health care law.

The Democrat congresswoman was a target of conservative Republican campaigning for her enthusiastic backing of President Barack Obama’s healthcare reforms and last year complained that her office in Tucson had been attacked by vandals.

Sarah Palin issued a statement shortly after the shooting.

"My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona," she said.

"On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice."

The congresswoman, who is Jewish, is a gun-owner and supporter of the right to bear arms. She was also a strong advocate of abortion rights.

She won re-election to her third term in Congress last year, beating off a challenge for a Republican candidate endorsed by the Tea Party.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/us-politics/8248399/Gabrielle-Giffords-father-The-whole-Tea-Party-were-her-enemies.html

Bernice Moore
01-09-2011, 12:20 AM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/ariz_congresswoman_shot_in_head_YFTvsurRHy5OWGSRKn uK8J


http://www.morehorror.com/Jared-Lee-Loughner-Named-Shooting-Suspect-Had-MySpace-Page208011

Magda Hassan
01-09-2011, 12:24 AM
:shock:
Here we go with the 3 name thing again. And the perennial favorite 'Lee' is one of them. You Tube Channel and all, terribly convenient.

The first thing I thought when I heard it was in Arizona was the recent deaths from lack of health care. Just a couple of weeks ago I listened to a radio report about an Arizona politician, a woman, who had denied state medicare funds to a transplant patient who had managed to find a donor and had everything lined up but needed the funds for the actual operation. She said "No' and patient dies, transplant organ wasted, lives wasted, broken hearted people remain and heartless people in charge. There was another death 2 days ago in similar circumstances. That would drive many to murder.

Charles Drago
01-09-2011, 03:08 AM
The ultimate goal of this provocation?

Increase the polarizing hatred.

The only "side" that benefits from the shooting is the third side.

Bernice Moore
01-09-2011, 04:00 AM
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/01/08/gabrielle-giffords-shooter-reportedly-identified-as-jared-lee-loughner/

the sheriff stated that he arrived at the mall with a second person they have them on film, and are searching for the other person, also that jared had not been in the military...b

Ed Jewett
01-09-2011, 04:10 AM
"... In his YouTube video, he talks about mind control and brainwashing. He was a military recruit at MEPS (http://www.mepcom.army.mil/meps/phoenix/index.html) in Phoenix. In the classic 2007 political thriller, 'Shooter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooter_%28film%29),' the name of the protagonist -- claimed to be the assassin, but wasn't? Bob Lee Swagger. *False flag.*--LRP]

http://www.legitgov.org/Associated-Press-identifies-Giffords-shooter

Ed Jewett
01-09-2011, 04:16 AM
"... Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said the suspect had a “troubled past” and was mentally unstable. “And we are not convinced he acted alone. There is some reason to believe he came to this location with another individual,” Dupnik said. Police are “actively in pursuit” of another person of interest, he said...."

Read more: http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/01/08/arizona-congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-injured-in-shooting-at-tucson-event-report/#ixzz1AVZY93Ou

Anthony Thorne
01-09-2011, 04:27 AM
Loughner’s uploaded videos all feature text and (except for one of them) music. The vast majority of Youtube uploaders tend to put a quickly shot video of themselves onscreen describing or commenting on some subject or another (filmed by webcam, or iPhone, or regular video camera). This is very quick and easy to do. Loughner’s videos have a considerable amount of text and music, but he doesn’t appear anywhere in them. If someone wanted to fake the videos under Loughner’s name, they’d find it hard to fake the former type of video on Loughner’s behalf, but much easier to put together the text and music. Other than Loughner’s name at the top of the screen there’s no clear evidence that he ever assembled the videos, or was in any way responsible for them.


The ‘Hello’ video plays silently with text and no music. The text reads:


“Hello, my name is Jared Lee Loughner.


This video is my introduction to you! My favorite activity is conscience dreaming; the greatest inspiration for my political business information. Some of you don’t dream – sadly.


Firstly, the current government officials are in power for their currency, but I’m informing you for your new currency! If you’re treasurer of a new money system, then you’re responsible for the distributing of a new currency. We now know – the treasurer for a new money system, is the distributor of the new currency. As a result, the people approve a new money system which is promising new information that’s accurate, and we truly believe in a new currency. Above all, you have your new currency, listener?


Secondly, my hope – is for you to be literate! If you’re literate in English grammar, then you comprehend English grammar. The majority of people who reside in District-8 are illiterate – hilarious. I don’t control your English grammar structure, but you control your English grammar structure.


Thirdly, I know who’s listening: Government Officials, and the People. Nearly all the people, who don’t know this accurate information of a new currency, aren’t aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn’t have happen.


In conclusion, my ambition – is for informing literate dreamers about a new currency; in a few days, you know I’m conscious dreaming. Thank you!”


Note the reference (the first of several) to ‘mind control’ and ‘brainwash’ methods. This is an interesting subject for an alleged political assassin to be drawn to in his anonymous Youtube uploads. Note also the final lines, informing us that we’ll know more about his character and deeds in ‘a few days’.


The second video is titled, ‘Introduction: Jared Loughner’. The text of this one reads:


‘My Final Thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner!


The population of dreamers in the United States of America is less than 5%!


If 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,61 8 is the year in B.C.E then the previous year of 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,61 8 B.C.E is 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,61 9 B.C.E.


987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,61 8 is the year in B.C.E


Therefore, the previous year of 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,61 8 B.C.E is 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,61 9 B.C.E.


If B.C.E. years are unable to start then A.D.E years are unable to begin.


B.C.E years are unable to start.


Thus, A.D.E years are unable to begin.


If A.D.E is endless in year then the years in A.D.E don’t cease.


A.D.E is endless in year.


Therefore, the years in A.D.E don’t cease.


If I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronunciation then the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that’s replacing an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.


I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronunciation.


Thus, the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that replaces an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.


Every human who’s mentally capable is always able to be treasurer of their new currency.


If you create one new currency then you’re able to create a second new currency.


If you’re able to create second new currency then you’re able to create third new currency.


You create one new currency.


Thus, you’re able to create a third currency.


You’re a treasurer for a new currency, listener?


You create and distribute your new currency, listener?


You don’t allow the government to control your grammar structure, listener?


If you create one new language then you’re able to create a second new language.


If you’re able to create a second new language then you’re able to create a third new language.


You create one new language.


Thus, you’re able to create a third new language.


All humans are in need of sleep.


Jared Loughner is a human.


Hence, Jared Loughner is in need of sleep.


Sleepwalking


If I define sleepwalking then sleepwalking is the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.


I define sleepwalking.


Thus, sleepwalking is the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.


I’m a sleepwalker – who turns off the alarm clock.


All conscience dreaming at this moment is asleep.


Jared Loughner is conscience dreaming at this moment.


Thus, Jared Loughner is asleep.


Terrorist.


If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.


I define terrorist.


Thus, a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.


If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.


You call me a terrorist.


Thus, the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.


Every United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix is receiving one mini bible before the tests.


Jared Loughner is a United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix.


Therefore, Jared Loughner is receiving one mini bible before the tests.


I didn’t write a belief on my Army application, and the recruiter wrote on the applications: None.


The majority of citizens in the United States of America have never read the United States of America’s Constitution.


You don’t have to accept the federalist laws.


Nonetheless, read the United States of America’s Constitution to apprehend all of the current treasonous laws.


You’re literate, listener?


If the property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution then the revolutionary’s from the revolution are in control of the land and laws.


The property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution.


Thus, the revolutionary’s from the revolution are in control of the land and laws.


In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can’t trust the current government because of the ratifications: The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.


No! I won’t pay debt with a currency that’s not backed by gold and silver!


No! I won’t trust in God!


What’s government if words don’t have meaning?”


This longer piece (headed ‘My Final Thoughts’, implying that the writer suspects he won’t get much of a chance to write anything further) is characterized by gibberish expressed in a circular and obsessive manner, repetition of phrasing, and an overt anti-government stance. ‘Loughner’ notes that he is a ‘United States Military recruit at MEPS’, mentions that the government is ‘implying mind control and brainwash’ [sic], and helpfully reminds us that a ‘sleepwalker’ can perform acts while asleep that they might be unaware of. So, ‘Loughner’ has told us that the government uses mind control methods and brainwashing, and that the recipients of this treatment might commit acts without being conscious of performing them. ‘Loughner’ then notes further - “I’m a sleepwalker – who turns off the alarm clock.”


Of course, anyone who posits the suggestion that Loughner might be a mind-controlled patsy who has been somehow guided to commit a political assassination, has to deal with the criticism that Loughner himself seems to be implying the same things in his notes to the general public. Anyone who raises the subject of mind-control will appear to be sharing or condoning the thoughts of the alleged assassin. Clever.


The third video is shorter than the others, and again presents text, a graphic, and some nutty, inappropriate music. I’m sure it would have been easier for ‘Loughner’ to actually appear on camera and tell us all this stuff rather than presenting his thoughts in the form of text and graphics, but it was not to be. Loughner’s third video, titled ‘HOW TO: MIND CONTROLLER’, again returns to the theme of mind control.


“If I’m the mind controller then I control the belief and religion.


-Action
-Thought
-Location
-Food


[A rough graphic on the right hand side of the screen at this point has the words ‘Mind Controller’ on the top, and the words ‘Belief’ and ‘Religion’ at the bottom, joined together with lines]


If you’re editing of every belief and religion reaches the final century then the writer for every religion and belief is you.


You’re editing of every belief and religion reaches the final century.


Thus, the writer for every belief and religion is you.


You control every – thought, action, and lifestyle – for the person or people as the mind controller.


I’m able to control every belief and religion by being the mind controller!”


After these, Loughner’s ‘favorite’ video (it’s unclear whether he uploaded it himself – it appears uploaded by a user named ‘Starhitshnaz’ rather than ‘Loughner’s username of ‘Classitup10’, but makes reference to the ‘B.C.E’ phrase noted earlier by ‘Loughner’ and contains some obviously sinister thematic parallels) shows an American flag in an outdoor location. The accompanying music ( the song ‘Bodies’ by the band ‘Drowning Pool’) begins with the whispered lyric:


“Let the bodies hit the floor. Let the bodies hit the floor.”


This is an obviously suggestive lyric given Loughner’s currently alleged actions. Though possibly a coincidence, the song’s Wikipedia page offers an observation about the tune that seems potentially relevant in light of ‘Loughner’ noting that he is a ‘United States Military recruit at MEPS’, and his repeated references to brainwashing and mind control:


“The song was used by interrogators at the Guantanamo Bay detention camps in 2003. "Bodies" was repeatedly played over a 10 days period to "stress" Mohamedou Ould Slahi during interrogations while he was "exposed to variable lighting patterns" at the same time.”


As the video plays, added text appears over the video:


“You didn’t know that B.C.E isn’t starting?”

(B.C.E is a phrase that appears in ‘Loughner’s earlier video ‘My Final Thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner!’, which Youtube lists as being uploaded by ‘Classitup10’, rather than this final video’s uploader ‘Starhitshnaz’).


A minute into the video, a hooded figure suddenly walks mysteriously into frame, with a garbage bag around its legs and its face carefully hidden. (The long delay from the beginning of the video to the sudden, unexpected appearance seems deliberately sinister). Another text graphic then appears, bizarrely stating “I only have my right arm”. The figure slowly walks down towards the US flag, reaches towards it, then stands alongside it for a long while, facing the camera. The figure has stuffed the front part of its hood with cloth or paper, obscuring its face.



The music suddenly stops at 3:18 and another text graphic appears:


“Are you not seeing that rare bird on my shoulder?”


The clip continues to play silently, without music. The figure eventually reaches towards the flag, slowly crouches down, and (after a short while) sets fire to the bottom corner of the flag with an obscured match or lighter. The flag begins to burn and the hooded figure walks off frame to the left.



At the 6.30 mark, a text graphic appears reading:


“Are you watching this protest in reverese that’s less then 1 second!” [sic]


The video plays out to the end. The flag has burnt away and a darkened pole sticking out of the ground is all that remains. At 7.04 a final text graphic appears:


“I want you never fearing of wrongful incrimination by local police [cult leaders].”


The frame of the video shakes momentarily just before the end, as if the hooded figure has returned behind the camera and is in the process of switching it off just before the Youtube clip ends.


‘Jared Lee Loughner’, the alleged assassin and aggrieved patriot, never shows his face in any of the uploaded videos listed under his name, but the above clips construct a sinister figure in his place. An obsessive figure that repeatedly mentions mind control, warns viewers that we’ll know more about his mindset in ‘a few days’, and is depicted onscreen by a disquieting figure in a hood that ominously burns the US flag before skulking offscreen. We might learn more about ‘Jared Lee Loughner’ (the latest US assassin to be presented to the public with his middle name included) but the above details paint a picture of psychosis and anti-government fervor, whilst conveniently poisoning the idea of him being a mind-controlled patsy by suggesting that he originally came up with that notion himself.

Albert Doyle
01-09-2011, 04:49 AM
You could have a false flag here in a person trying to look like a mind programming "RFK Must Die" rambler. It could be because Mark David Chapman's mind programming became to obvious and this guy was sent in in order to show crazies can appear to be programmed but aren't.

This text appears to me like someone making a dramatic attempt to look like a mind programming victim - but doing it consciously as a dramatic device.

What you could have here is a perfectly sane young man taking revenge for what he might have seen on the internet about CIA mind programming and doing what he thinks to be poetic Constitutional justice against the government with a flair. Playing the role of a mind programming victim while doing a political revenge shooting of a government figure to avenge government mind control.

Ed Jewett
01-09-2011, 04:58 AM
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, Targeted by Sarah Palin’s “Take Back the 20!” Campaign, Shot at Point Blank Range (http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/01/08/rep-gabrielle-giffords-targeted-by-sarah-palins-take-back-the-20-campaign/)

Posted on January 8, 2011 by willyloman
by Scott Creighton
UPDATE: The Army has issued the following statement (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/08/live-blog-representative-giffords-shot):

“The Army has confirmed that the suspect was never in the Army. He attempted to enlist in the Army but was rejected for service. In accordance with the Privacy Act, we will not discuss why he was rejected.”

UPDATE: It is being reported that Loughner’s removed MySpace Page had listed the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf among his favorite books… and Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is Jewish. Also reported by William Rahn of The Daily Caller, Loughner was an atheist who rejected fiat currency and called for a new currency backed by gold and silver. The only thing that appears to still be around is a YouTube channel video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uRjwPWaxiY&feature=player_embedded)with just text and no sound which goes on and on about literacy and “new currency”. Loughner’s Youtube profile lists several books as his favorites (http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10). What is being set up is the “godless communist/socialist” threat of the old McCarthyism all over again.
UPDATE: Jared Lee Loughner’s video allegedly includes the following statement (http://www.newsroomamerica.com/story/90881.html): “”If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon. I define terrorism,” he wrote on the video.”
UPDATE: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is out of surgery and expected to recover. (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-01/09/c_13682132.htm)



More (mostly already noted) at the link ...

Magda Hassan
01-09-2011, 05:13 AM
My experience is that one either likes The Communist Manifesto or one likes Mein Kampf. But not both. I smell a rat.

Jack White
01-09-2011, 05:32 AM
Jared LEE Loughner, pronounced LONER.

LEE, LONER.

The people who make up these names mean to send a message.

Jack

Peter Lemkin
01-09-2011, 07:13 AM
For the record, at around 9pm London time, I heard a local Arizona network affiliate reporter tell BBC News 24 that the police had told him they were looking for a second gunman. He said this live on air (in an audio feed over rolling pictures of ambulances).

I have so far found no reference on TV breaking news or in online MSM pieces to a second gunman.

hmmmm...now why does that sound familiar....a few times over?!?!?!? This little piggy was patsy...these little piggies go free....

Peter Lemkin
01-09-2011, 07:31 AM
My experience is that one either likes The Communist Manifesto or one likes Mein Kampf. But not both. I smell a rat.

Too many 'rats' in this to list.
- Jared (ruler) LEE 'loner'
- Mind Control references [whether he was or not - I'd place my chips on was]
- Magda's point above
- Palin's hit list
- Second time a gunman came for this Congresswoman
- Lee got off 30 rounds before tackled by an aide - not the police
- incoherent rants about fiat currency and other things on videos
- accomplice who got away WAS AGED ABOUT 50! [HIS CONTROLLER?]
- one of the few Jewish Congresspersons and only woman who is
- believes in woman's right to choose and use of human stem cells
- pro-environment and alternative energy
- "Goodbye friends" message published hours before shooting,exhorted his friends to "Please don't be mad at me."
- Military won't tell why he was not accepted, but will tell he applied
- talk of terrorism, almost of being a terrorist and we'll know more in a few days
- fairly progressive Congresswoman and hated by the Tea Party [target, hit-list, reload...]
- the stirring up of political polarization in AZ lately with several laws and actions
- plastic gun [detectable with metal detectors, but not very] with 29 bullet clip available
- Many more, too many!
- We have 'one of these shootings' every few months...they change the script, but the subtext seems to resonate the same.

The ONLY good thing is miraculously they say she may well recover...I hope will full mental and physical abilities....but I'd say that would be VERY rare for a shot to the head at point blank range.

I'll be very interested to hear what groups and friends he's surrounded himself with in recent years. Now, will the USG subpoena his internet, phone, other records....I very much doubt it. Quick trial and execution. McVeigh, the younger.

Also, just going on gut instinct, the name Jared irked me, so looked it up, it means 'ruler'. Used most by Mormons.

Lastly, for now, I really feel that Palin and her bunch are accessories to this crime - having planted the idea of this Congresswoman as a 'target' in his mind [whether his own] or he is under control of others, then in their minds as a matter of convenience and control. I hope during the trial they drag Palin in and destroy her. I'll also be able to hear what his parents, siblings and family life was like....but this is the same old same old. Very sad for America the state it is in! It is a culture of physical, mental, social and financial violence/hate. The government is violent/hateful. TV, films, videos etc. are violent/hateful. Rap music is mostly violent/hateful. Violence/hate is allowed - and shown as the best way to solve problems, watching tender love-making or examples of diplomacy - international or personal are not. Sick nation....the Government/Oligarchy/Deep Crowd sets the examples, and makes the decrees [I'd not longer call them laws]. The gun-toting youth follow or are led by the mental nose-ring. :wirlitzer:

Peter Lemkin
01-09-2011, 09:01 AM
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David Guyatt
01-09-2011, 10:28 AM
Jared LEE Loughner, pronounced LONER.

LEE, LONER.

The people who make up these names mean to send a message.

Jack

Never underestimate the interest in, and use of symbolism, by the military/intelligence community.

Peter Lemkin
01-09-2011, 11:16 AM
Updated EST 8:24 PM: Sheriff Dupnik says the suspected accomplice ("person of interest") is male, and possibly "in his 50's." :spy: [VERY interesting.....his controller?!?!?!] :mexican:

Updated EST 8:13 PM: Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik gives press conference, raises possibility that Loughner did not act alone. He also refers to Arizona as "a mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

Updated EST 7:55 PM: Suspected shooter Jared Loughner's once obscure profile is leaking out into the open. There's this Arizona Republic picture from March of 2010 (the same month Giffords talked to MSNBC about the danger of Sarah Palin's "target ad") that shows Loughner at a local book fair. Loughner's apparent Youtube videos focus on such wide ranging topics as currency, the Constitution, and "mind control." A Loughner MySpace profile also surfaced--though it was quickly taken down.

Updated EST 7:00 PM: From the New York Times: Latest tally is 17 people shot, six dead. Latest update on Giffords is "critical condition."

Updated EST 6:10 PM: A woman named Caitie Parker has also aroused much web speculation. Parker (via Twitter) claims to have known gunman Jared Loughner from high school, where she states that he was "left wing." Though her relationship to Loughner is unconfirmed as of yet, Parker's updates are gaining traction as people frantically search for information.

Updated EST 5:51 PM Web speculation is circulating in regards to political videos made by a "Jared Loughner." We do not have verification that this is the same person currently held in custody. One of the videos is titled, "My Final Thoughts."

Videos available here. (http://www.salon.com/news/terrorism/index.html?story=/news/feature/2011/01/08/us_congresswoman_shot)

Peter Lemkin
01-09-2011, 12:17 PM
Giffords expressed similar concern, even before the shooting. In an interview after her office was vandalized, she referred to the animosity against her by conservatives, including Sarah Palin's decision to list Giffords' seat as one of the top "targets" in the midterm elections.

"For example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they have to realize that there are consequences to that action," Giffords said in an interview with MSNBC.

In the hours after the shooting, Palin issued a statement in which she expressed her "sincere condolences" to the family of Giffords and the other victims.

During his campaign effort to unseat Giffords in November, Republican challenger Jesse Kelly held fundraisers where he urged supporters to help remove Giffords from office by joining him to shoot a fully loaded M-16 rifle. Kelly is a former Marine who served in Iraq and was pictured on his website in military gear holding his automatic weapon and promoting the event.

"I don't see the connection," between the fundraisers featuring weapons and Saturday's shooting, said John Ellinwood, Kelly's spokesman. "I don't know this person, we cannot find any records that he was associated with the campaign in any way. I just don't see the connection.

"Arizona is a state where people are firearms owners - this was just a deranged individual."

Law enforcement officials said members of Congress reported 42 cases of threats or violence in the first three months of 2010, nearly three times the 15 cases reported during the same period a year earlier. Nearly all dealt with the health care bill, and Giffords was among the targets.

A 19-year-old volunteer at the event, Alex Villec, described how the violence unfolded.

Villec, a former staffer for the congresswoman, told The Associated Press that the man who later turned out to be the suspect arrived at the event wearing a black cap and baggy pants and asking for the congresswoman.

"I told him ... she'll be more than happy to talk to you as your turn comes," Villec said. The man walked away, but returned just minutes later and burst through a table separating Villec and Giffords from the public. Villec said he saw him raise an arm, and then he heard gunfire.

The gunman fired at Giffords and her district director and started shooting indiscriminately at staffers and others standing in line to talk to the congresswoman, said Mark Kimball, a communications staffer for Giffords.

"He was not more than three or four feet from the congresswoman and the district director," he said, describing the scene as "just complete chaos, people screaming, crying."

The shooting cast a pall over the Capitol as politicians of all stripes denounced the attack as a horrific. Capitol police asked members of Congress to be more vigilant about security in the wake of the shooting. Obama dispatched his FBI chief to Arizona.

Giffords, known as "Gabby," tweeted shortly before the shooting, describing her "Congress on Your Corner" event: "My 1st Congress on Your Corner starts now. Please stop by to let me know what is on your mind or tweet me later."

"It's not surprising that today Gabby was doing what she always does, listening to the hopes and concerns of her neighbors," Obama said. "That is the essence of what our democracy is about. That is why this is more than a tragedy for those involved. It is a tragedy for Arizona and a tragedy for our entire country."

Doctors were optimistic about Giffords surviving as she was responding to commands from doctors. "With guarded optimism, I hope she will survive, but this is a very devastating wound," said Dr. Richard Carmona, the former surgeon general who lives in Tucson.

Giffords spokesman C.J. Karamargin said besides the aide Zimmerman, who was killed, two other Giffords staffers were shot but expected to survive. Zimmerman was a former social worker who served as Giffords' director of community outreach. Giffords had worked with the judge in the past to line up funding to build a new courthouse in Yuma, and Obama hailed him for his nearly 40 years of service.

Greg Segalini, an uncle of Christina, the 9-year-old victim, told the Arizona Republic that a neighbor was going to the event and invited her along because she had just been elected to the student council and was interested in government.

Christina, who was born on Sept. 11, 2001, was involved in many activities, from ballet to baseball. She had just received her first Holy Communion at St. Odilia's Catholic Church on in Tucson, Catholic Diocese of Tucson officials told The Arizona Daily Star.

In the evening, more than 100 people attended a candlelight vigil outside Giffords' headquarters, where authorities investigated a suspicious package that turned out to be non-explosive.

The suspect Loughner was described by a former classmate as a pot-smoking loner, and the Army said he tried to enlist in December 2008 but was rejected for reasons not disclosed.

Federal law enforcement officials were poring over versions of a MySpace page that included a mysterious "Goodbye friends" message published hours before the shooting and exhorted his friends to "Please don't be mad at me."

In one of several Youtube videos, which featured text against a dark background, Loughner described inventing a new U.S. currency and complained about the illiteracy rate among people living in Giffords' congressional district in Arizona.

"I know who's listening: Government Officials, and the People," Loughner wrote. "Nearly all the people, who don't know this accurate information of a new currency, aren't aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn't have happen (sic)."

In Loughner's middle-class neighborhood - about a five-minute drive from the scene - sheriff's deputies had much of the street blocked off. The neighborhood sits just off a bustling Tucson street and is lined with desert landscaping and palm trees.

Neighbors said Loughner lived with his parents and kept to himself. He was often seen walking his dog, almost always wearing a hooded sweat shirt and listening to his iPod.

Loughner's MySpace profile indicates he attended and graduated from school in Tucson and had taken college classes. He did not say if he was employed.

"We're getting out of here. We are freaked out," 33-year-old David Cleveland, who lives a few doors down from Loughner's house, told The Associated Press.

Cleveland said he was taking his wife and children, ages 5 and 7, to her parent's home when they heard about the shooting.

"When we heard about it, we just got sick to our stomachs," Cleveland said. "We just wanted to hold our kids tight."

High school classmate Grant Wiens, 22, said Loughner seemed to be "floating through life" and "doing his own thing."

"Sometimes religion was brought up or drugs. He smoked pot, I don't know how regularly. And he wasn't too keen on religion, from what I could tell," Wiens said.

Lynda Sorenson said she took a math class with Loughner last summer at Pima Community College's Northwest campus and told the Arizona Daily Star he was "obviously very disturbed." "He disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts," she said.

In October 2007, Loughner was cited in Pima County for possession of drug paraphernalia, which was dismissed after he completed a diversion program, according to online records.

"He has kind of a troubled past, I can tell you that," Dupnik said.

Giffords was first elected to Congress amid a wave of Democratic victories in the 2006 election, and has been mentioned as a possible Senate candidate in 2012 and a gubernatorial prospect in 2014.

She is married to astronaut Mark E. Kelly, who has piloted space shuttles Endeavour and Discovery. The two met in China in 2003 while they were serving on a committee there, and were married in January 2007. Sen. Bill Nelson, chairman of the Senate Commerce Space and Science Subcommittee, said Kelly is training to be the next commander of the space shuttle mission slated for April. His brother is currently serving aboard the International Space Station, Nelson said.

Peter Lemkin
01-09-2011, 12:26 PM
the bullet went right through her head - from one side; out the other!....she may survive, but will loose some to much mental and/or physical function....[B]very sad.

They also just released a video of the 50's year old accomplice getting away....if he is a spook, he may never be found....
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Back in June 2010, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords's (D-AZ) Republican opponent Jesse Kelly had an event at which voters could shoot an assault rifle with the candidate, promoted as thus:

Get on Target for Victory in November Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly

Dawn Meredith
01-09-2011, 04:24 PM
Jared LEE Loughner, pronounced LONER.

LEE, LONER.

The people who make up these names mean to send a message.

Jack

Never underestimate the interest in, and use of symbolism, by the military/intelligence community.
Yes, and ususally when the PTB are behind such a thing it is also to cover something darker that is occurring. This story becomes the big news to hide what the bastards are up to. I remember thinking that back when Frank Sinarta Jr was "kidnapped". I thougt back then it was a ploy to get the JFK assassination off the front page as people were beginning to question the cover story. At least I was so I assumed others were as well.

I wonder what is really going on. The name "Lee" jumped out at me immediately.
And I dod not know that the last name sounds like "loner" . Damn.
So subtle.

Dawn

Peter Lemkin
01-09-2011, 04:31 PM
Jared LEE Loughner, pronounced LONER.

LEE, LONER.

The people who make up these names mean to send a message.

Jack

Never underestimate the interest in, and use of symbolism, by the military/intelligence community.
Yes, and ususally when the PTB are behind such a thing it is also to cover something darker that is occurring. This story becomes the big news to hide what the bastards are up to. I remember thinking that back when Frank Sinarta Jr was "kidnapped". I thougt back then it was a ploy to get the JFK assassination off the front page as people were beginning to question the cover story. At least I was so I assumed others were as well.

I wonder what is really going on. The name "Lee" jumped out at me immediately.
And I dod not know that the last name sounds like "loner" . Damn.
So subtle.

Dawn

Well, they have taken the measure of making it slightly less obvious than the once used, was it [?] Oswald Lee Harvey....or very close to that. They get more cunning and more daring. What is our counter-move?!

The other interesting point, Dawn, Jack, others, is that such a 'message' can only be read correctly by a very small % of the population - those mostly knowledgeable, plus the most antithetical 'enemies' of its origination. Funny, they want to 'speak' to us...or is it to try to tell us 'you are powerless, even if you know the truth!' :mexican: After all, one won't see any discussion like much of the above in the MSM, or even in much of the so-called alternative media. Only the few cognoscenti.

Peter Lemkin
01-09-2011, 05:03 PM
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Peter Lemkin
01-09-2011, 06:25 PM
With the local sheriff’s office and the FBI investigating, suspicions that the suspected gunman, Jared Lee Loughner, had an accomplice would complicate the thesis that the shooting was the work of a lone and mentally unbalanced young man lashing out at the government. The existence of a co-conspirator could point to a more calculated plot, and perhaps shed more light on the motive for the attack.

"We are not convinced that [the man in custody] acted alone. There is some reason to believe he came to this location with another individual, and that individual is involved," said Clarence Dupnik, Pima County sheriff, at a press conference Saturday.

RELATED: Why Americans are so angry

Congresswoman Giffords, who underwent surgery Saturday after a bullet struck her in the head during a political “meet and greet” event at a Tucson supermarket, remained in critical condition early Sunday.

Killed in the attack were:

• US district Judge John Roll, who stopped by the event to say hello to Giffords. He had been the chief judge for the District of Arizona since 2006 and a federal judge since 1991, appointed by Republican President George H.W. Bush. He had been the target of threats several years ago, after he ruled that a civil rights lawsuit filed by illegal immigrants could proceed against an Arizona rancher, according to a CNN report.

• Gabriel Zimmerman, one of Giffords’s aides. Engaged to be married, Mr. Zimmerman, who like Gifford was Jewish, was the congresswoman’s director of community outreach and a Tucson native.

• Dorwin Stoddard, a retired construction worker. Mr. Stoddard’s wife was also injured, but witnesses told CNN that he tried to shield her from gunshots. She is expected to recover.

• Christina Greene, a 9-year-old who had recently been elected to serve on the student council at her school. She went to the event with a neighbor to meet Giffords.

At time of writing, little was known about two others who died at the scene , Phyllis Scheck and Dorothy Morris, both in their seventies.
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[Guardian Spin:]
Jared Lee Loughner: army reject with a troubled past

Jared Lee Loughner, suspect in Gabrielle Giffords shooting, posted message online saying 'please don't be mad at me'

Jared Lee Loughner in March 2010. Photograph: Mamta Popat/AP/Arizona Daily Star

Jared Lee Loughner, the alleged gunman in the Tucson shooting of the US congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, had been behaving increasingly erratically in recent months.

The 22-year-old army reject had posted rambling videos online in which he made statements about mind control, Swat teams and the gold standard. On his MySpace page he posted a photograph of a handgun resting on top of a United States history textbook.

The motivations for the shootings remained unclear. The Pima County sheriff, Clarence Dupnik, described Loughner as mentally unstable and said he may have had an accomplice.

In October 2007 Loughner was cited in Pima County for possession of drug paraphernalia, a charge that was dismissed after he completed a diversion program, according to online records. "He has kind of a troubled past, I can tell you that," Dupnik said.

Former schoolmates said Loughner, who remains in police custody, smoked marijuana and was prone to outbursts in class.

In one YouTube video he described himself as a US military recruit, but the US army confirmed he had been rejected for military service in 2008 for reasons it could not disclose.

Loughner had been a student at Pima Community College, but one of the videos he posted online was considered so disturbing by campus administrators that they suspended him in September.

Loughner and his parents attended a meeting with college officials who said he would require mental health clearance if he wanted to return, the New York Times reported.

Investigators have been scouring Loughner's MySpace page, which was removed within minutes of him being identified as the suspect. At about 5am on Saturday, he had written: "Goodbye [...] Dear friends ... Please don't be mad at me."

In one of several internet postings, Loughner suggested the government was trying to take advantage of him in some way. One video was called "My Final Thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner!".

In another posting, he wrote: "All humans are in need of sleep. Jared Loughner is a human. Hence, Jared Loughner is in need of sleep."

He also wrote about terrorism. "If I define terrorist, then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon. I define terrorist," he wrote. "If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is ad hominem. You call me a terrorist."

His YouTube page listed a series of favorite books, including Animal Farm by George Orwell and Brave New World by Aldous Huxley.

In a video featuring text against a dark background, Loughner described inventing a new US currency and complained about the illiteracy rate among people living in Giffords's congressional district in Arizona.

"I know who's listening: Government officials, and the People," Loughner wrote. "Nearly all the people, who don't know this accurate information of a new currency, aren't aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn't have happen."

Today, the street where Loughner lived with his parents – a middle-class neighbourhood five minutes from the scene of the shooting – was blocked off by police. Neighbours said Loughner could often be seen walking his dog, almost always wearing a hooded sweatshirt and listening to his iPod. He grew up in Tucson and had been an unremarkable student at Mountain View high school, classmates said.

One high school peer, Grant Wiens, 22, said Loughner seemed to be "floating through life" and "doing his own thing".

He said: "Sometimes religion was brought up, or drugs. He smoked pot, I don't know how regularly. And he wasn't too keen on religion, from what I could tell."

Lynda Sorenson said she took a class with Loughner last summer at Pima community college. He was "obviously very disturbed", she told the Arizona Daily Star. "He disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts."

Gabriella Carillo, 22, said she remembered Loughner as a tall, intelligent teenager who was good at basketball, liked to read and worked hard in his high school band classes, but didn't seem to apply himself in other courses.

"I know that he caused a lot of trouble in his classes other than band," she said. "If he tried, he would probably be at the top of our class. But he kind of just wasted his life.

"There are some guys who are just angry," she said. "I never really saw a smile on his face at all."

Don Coorough, 58, who sat two desks in front of Loughner in a poetry class, described him as a "troubled young man" and "emotionally underdeveloped". After another student read a poem about an abortion, Loughner compared the young woman to a "terrorist for killing the baby", he said.

Peter Lemkin
01-09-2011, 06:33 PM
In one of several internet postings, Loughner suggested the government was trying to take advantage of him in some way. One video was called "My Final Thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner!"..

Peter Lemkin
01-09-2011, 07:08 PM
Right-wing TV and Radio in the USA is calling the shooter Jared LEE 'loner' a 'communist', when I think all preliminary evidence points to his being an ultra-right-wing neo-Palin/Tea Party clone-bot......:curtain: It is now reported that all of the officials he shot he called out by NAME before pulling the trigger!!! :hitler: In fact, it was the Tea Party 'crowd' who yelled [literally] that the Congresswoman was a communist for her views and votes....

...a communist shooting a communist.....bad propaganda line....try a neo-fascist (or patsy or mind-controlled patsy for neo-fascists) shooting a neo-liberal, labeled more left-wing than she is.....she was slightly left of the current center.....but on just those issues that make the blood of the ultra-right-wing boil (and lock and load)!

I sadly predict MUCH more of the same soon all over Amerika!

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Kenneth Kapel
01-09-2011, 08:14 PM
Debra Saunders a San Franciso rightwing newspaper columnist was on CNN's Reliable Sources and she thanked host Howard Kurtz for not blaming any side of the political aisle for the tragedy. She should thank him because she it a rightist and from all early evidence the shooter apprears to be bent that way.

Peter Lemkin
01-09-2011, 08:18 PM
Debra Saunders a San Franciso rightwing newspaper columnist was on CNN's Reliable Sources and she thanked host Howard Kurtz for not blaming any side of the political aisle for the tragedy. She should thank him because she it a rightist and from all early evidence the shooter apprears to be bent that way.

Bent is polite, if he did it out of his own psychopathology; or as a patsy for the provocateur state we now live in....I am leaning toward the latter.....:mexican: Let's ask the 50-something man who drove him there and then melted away.......and HIS controllers!!!!!

David Healy
01-09-2011, 08:25 PM
http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/08/5794648-few-assassins-fit-the-profile-most-had-no-mental-health-treatment-made-no-threats

Albert Doyle
01-09-2011, 08:40 PM
I cringe upon seeing CNN call its program "Reliable Sources" after watching their 2 hour government propaganda piece on the shootdown of Flight 800. And their character assassination of Pierre Salinger on their website where they knowingly described a man they knew was innocent of the accusation of being a "nut" and "conspiracy theorist".

I no longer watch CNN.

Kenneth Kapel
01-09-2011, 08:42 PM
I cringe upon seeing CNN call its program "Reliable Sources" after watching their 2 hour government propaganda piece on the shootdown of Flight 800. And their character assassination of Pierre Salinger on their website where they knowingly described a man they knew was innocent of the accusation of being a "nut" and "conspiracy theorist".

I no longer watch CNN.
I watch MSNBC mainly, I loathe Blitzer, Crowley, and Kurtz.

Peter Lemkin
01-09-2011, 09:03 PM
http://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?5900-Arizona-Congresswoman-Shot-dead-at-point-blank-range-moments-ago-!&p=31384#post31384 et al.

Paul Rigby
01-09-2011, 09:42 PM
http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/08/5794648-few-assassins-fit-the-profile-most-had-no-mental-health-treatment-made-no-threats

I couldn't agree more. In both cases.

Ed Jewett
01-09-2011, 10:38 PM
The only "side" that benefits from the shooting is the third side.

Welcome back, Charles. (Hell, I'd hardly known you'd left.) This kind of comment is why I am glad things worked so you you could stay around.

Charles Drago
01-09-2011, 10:48 PM
Solidarity, Ed.

Ed Jewett
01-09-2011, 11:53 PM
Arizona massacre suspect: 'I planned ahead'

By the CNN Wire Staff
January 9, 2011 -- Updated 2310 GMT (0710 HKT)

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Jared Lee Loughner faces federal counts in Arizona slayings
Loughner isn't talking with investigators, sheriff says
A cab driver sought as a "person of interest" has been cleared, source says



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(CNN) -- The suspect in the weekend massacre in Arizona scrawled "my assassination" and "I planned ahead" on an envelope found in his home, according to court documents released Sunday.
The details were part of criminal complaint filed against 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner, the Tucson man now charged in Saturday's bloodbath at a supermarket where U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was hosting an open house for constituents. Investigators found a letter from the congresswoman in a safe at the house where Loughner lived with his parents, thanking him for attending a similar 2007 event, a federal agent's affidavit states.
"Also recovered in the safe was an envelope with handwriting on the envelope stating 'I planned ahead,' and 'my assassination' and the name 'Giffords,' along with what appears to be Loughner's signature," the affidavit states.
The shootings killed six people, including U.S. District Judge John Roll and Giffords aide Gabe Zimmerman. Among the 14 wounded were Giffords, who was shot through the skull, and two other members of her staff.
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Prosecutors filed two first-degree murder counts, two attempted murder counts and one count of attempting to kill a member of Congress against Loughner on Sunday. Those counts involve only victims who worked for the federal government, but state prosecutors also could bring charges in the remaining cases.
The murder count involving Roll states the judge, like Gifford and her aides, was conducting official duties at the time. According to the affidavit, Roll came down to Tucson from Phoenix to discuss the volume of federal cases in Arizona with Giffords and had talked with one of her aides, Ron Barber, before the shooting.
Loughner is scheduled to make an initial appearance before a federal magistrate in Phoenix on Monday, prosecutors said. A federal public defender known for handling high-profile cases, Judy Clarke, has been appointed to represent him, a federal judicial source told CNN.
Clarke previously defended the "Unabomber," Ted Kaczynski, and assisted in the case of confessed al Qaeda operative Zacarias Moussaoui.
Meanwhile, investigators have found, questioned and cleared a man they had sought as a "person of interest" after the killings. the FBI announced. The man was cab driver who dropped Loughner off at the Safeway where Giffords' "Congress on Your Corner" event was being held, a law enforcement official said Sunday.
Loughner has invoked his right against self-incrimination and is not talking with investigators, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said. The suspect was suspended from a Tucson community college in October after what the school said were multiple run-ins with campus police that led to his suspension.
"There's reason to believe this individual may have a mental issue," Dupnik told reporters Saturday night.
Pima Community College warned Loughner in a follow-up letter that to return to campus, he had to present a doctor's note stating that his presence would not be "a danger to himself or others."
Online, he railed against government "mind control" and illiteracy in YouTube and MySpace postings. He tried to enlist in the Army in 2008, but was rejected for reasons the service said it could not disclose.
Roll is the fourth federal judge killed since 1979, when District Judge John Wood was slain in a contract killing outside his Texas home. In 1988, District Judge Richard Daronco of New York was killed by the father of a plaintiff whose case the judge had dismissed; and in 1989, Circuit Judge Robert Vance was killed by a mail bomb sent to his Alabama home by a man prosecutors said had a grudge against the appellate court on which Vance sat.
In addition, the husband and mother of District Judge Joan Lefkow were killed in their Chicago home in 2005. A man who committed suicide two weeks later in Wisconsin left a note confessing to the killings, blaming a judgment against him in a malpractice case for the loss of his house, job and family, police said.
CNN's Bill Mears and Jessica Yellin contributed to this report.


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Charles Drago
01-10-2011, 02:42 AM
Jared LEE Loughner, pronounced LONER.

LEE, LONER.

The people who make up these names mean to send a message.

Jack

Oswald Lewinter, anyone?

Ed Jewett
01-10-2011, 03:20 AM
Giffords' brain benefits from benign route of bullet


By Peter Henderson
TUCSON, Ariz | Sun Jan 9, 2011 3:11pm EST

TUCSON, Ariz (Reuters) - Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords suffered what her doctors on Sunday called a "devastating wound" to her brain in a point-blank shooting, but the bullet's relatively benign trajectory bodes well for her recovery.
For doctors at the University Medical Center in Tucson, the fact that the bullet did not cross from one hemisphere to the other nor through the center of the brain was crucial to Giffords' brain "preservation" before her two-hour surgery on Saturday.
"Because of that, congresswoman Giffords is able to communicate with us this morning through following simple commands," said Dr. Michael Lemole, head of neurosurgery.
A suspect, identified as Jared Lee Loughner, opened fire with a semi-automatic pistol at a meeting held by Giffords outside a Tucson supermarket on Saturday, killing six people including a 9-year-old girl. Fourteen people were wounded.
Giffords, a 40-year-old Democratic lawmaker, did not have severe bleeding in the brain nor large sections of devitalized brain tissue, Lemole said.
But doctors insisted it was nevertheless a brutal injury.
"This wasn't a little grazing wound to the brain. This was a devastating wound that traveled the entire length of the brain on the left side," said Dr. Peter Rhee, trauma medical director at UMC.
The bullet appeared to have entered the back of the head and exited above Giffords' eyebrow, he added.
Twenty-four hours after the shooting, Giffords remains in critical condition in the intensive care unit with half her skull removed to permit the brain to swell. Rhee said brain swelling was her biggest threat.
She can't yet open her eyes and she can't speak because she is on a ventilator, but she can squeeze a hand and hold up fingers, doctors said.
"We take those type of simple commands for granted, but they imply a very high level of functioning in the brain," said Lemole.
In most people, the left side of the brain controls their right-side strength sensation and their speech function, the ability to both speak and understand speech.
Rhee said Giffords will suffer some degeneration of brain cells and matter.
"This is very early in her course, we don't know what the deficits will be in the future," Rhee said.
While cautiously optimistic, the doctors could not conceal their relief about the area of the brain that was hit. "There are obvious areas of the brain that are less tolerant to intrusion," said Lemole.
And Rhee noted the ability of the body to permit brain trauma victims like Giffords to recover and lead meaningful lives.
"With a penetrating brain injury it is always surprising to the lay people that you think any bullet going into any brain means instant death," Rhee said. "But there is a lot of capacity that the human body has to compensate."


http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE7082UY20110109

Jack White
01-10-2011, 04:28 AM
Jared LEE Loughner, pronounced LONER.

LEE, LONER.

The people who make up these names mean to send a message.

Jack

Oswald Lewinter, anyone?

What ever became of Oswaldo Ortiz and Raymond Lee Harvey?

Jack

Peter Lemkin
01-10-2011, 07:25 AM
As might be expected, there are already articles by psychologists and psychiatrists saying how they think the shooter was schizophrenic. Expect a diminished responsibility due to mental illness defense. While I don't doubt he might have had some mental problems [natural or induced], but it seems clear from what I've heard he knew right from wrong and was functional in society. If, as CNN is reporting, that he is not cooperating or talking to investigators, it tells me he's been professionally prepped by someone on how to resist interrogation. Few 22 year olds with his background would not talk to the police investigators - at least about the basics and maybe if he did it alone or not; pre-planned it or not, etc. But, one look at that last photo he left with the book on American history with an image of the White House and Presidents on top - and his gun he used on top of both is, IMO proof ENOUGH of premeditation!!! along with his last statements and posts...and hardly the usual acts of someone with schizophrenia. These shootings are all formulaic. I see, here, most see the patterns, but for the MSM and the average Sheeple they are all unique and done by some pathetic lone nut....to me they seem like clones.

And where is the 50-something man.....?! They going to forget about him?

Peter Lemkin
01-10-2011, 10:49 AM
Guardian's take:

Jared Lee Loughner, the 22-year-old resident of Tucson identified by police as the gunman in Saturday's rampage, left a series of indications revealing the mentally unstable state of his mind and the extreme rightwing causes he supported in the run up to the tragedy.

Just hours before he embarked on the shooting, he posted a message on his MySpace page saying: "Goodbye friends. Dear friends, please don't be mad at me." He also posted a YouTube video of written slides called My Final Thoughts. In it, he wrote: "Jared Loughner is in need of sleep."

In a series of videos, he gave a rambling account of obsessions and paranoias that appeared to be troubling him with increasing intensity up to the catastrophe. They included references to conscious dreaming, or "conscience dreaming" as he called it, a process of directing one's own dreams that he is thought to have practised. Another was a belief in the gold and silver standard of currency – a favourite topic of the rightwing of American politics that is regularly propounded by the Fox News commentator Glenn Beck.

The tone of Loughner's rantings is almost exclusively conservative and anti-government, with echoes of the populist campaigning of the Tea Party movement. "Don't trust the government listener!" he said in one video, accusing Washington of mind control and brainwashing.

The US constitution, the bible of the Tea Parties, features heavily, as does the suggestion that the federal government is acting against the text. "You don't have to accept the federalist laws. Read the United States of America constitution to apprehend all of the current treasonous laws."

There is also a strong streak of implicit violence in the postings.

He linked to his favourite video, America: Your Last Memory in a Terrorist Country, which shows a ghostly figure burning the US flag in the desert to a heavy metal song that repeatedly chants "Let the bodies hit the floor!"

He referred to people calling him a terrorist and wrote "a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon."

Until 4 October, Loughner was a student at Pima community college in Tucson, but he was suspended after a number of inappropriate acts.

The college said he had five contacts with the campus police for having disrupted classrooms and the library. In a YouTube video posted on 29 September, Loughner accused the college of fraud and of being illegal under the US constitution.

After Loughner quit the college, the institution made clear that, if he wished to return, he would have to undergo a mental health check to ensure that his presence did not "present a danger to himself or others".

Fellow students at Pima told local newspapers that he had displayed troubled behaviour. He was reported to be isolated and withdrawn and used to laugh out loud in the poetry class in a way that made others feel uneasy.

"He disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts," Lynda Sorenson, who shared his mathematics class last year, told the Arizona Daily Star.

He lived with his parents on the northwest side of Tucson, a few miles away from the shooting scene. His difficulties began relatively early, with one incident recorded by police of a drug violation while he was at high school. He tried to enlist in the US military in Tucson but was turned away for unspecified reasons.

Arizona prides itself on its loose gun laws but there is still shock that a man with such a prolonged history of erratic and disturbing outbursts was able to legally acquire the gun he used in his rampage. The shootings were carried out with a Glock 19 semiautomatic, with a magazine of 30 bullets.

Peter Lemkin
01-10-2011, 04:17 PM
sorry....wrong thread....looking my marbles.

Peter Lemkin
01-10-2011, 08:12 PM
Christina Taylor Green: Arizona Shooting Claims Life Of 9-Year-Old Born On 9/11

Nine-year-old Christina Taylor Green was among those killed in a tragic shooting in Tucson, Ariz. on Saturday.

The incident occurred at a public event held by U.S. Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in her home district. Local NBC affiliate KVOA reports that family members say Christina, who was a student at Mesa Verde Elementary School, went to the event because she wanted to learn more about the world of politics.

The Arizona Republic reports:
A neighbor was going to the Giffords event and invited Christina along because she thought she would enjoy it, said her uncle, Greg Segalini.

Christina had just been elected to the student council at her school. The event, held outside a Safeway supermarket north of Tucson, was an opportunity for constituents to meet Giffords and talk about any concerns they had related to the federal government.

Featured in the book Faces of Hope: Babies Born on 9/11, Christina was described by family members as a vibrant individual and someone who was excited about life, according to KVOA. The local outlet reports they called her "the best daughter in the world."

Segalini told the Republic that his niece was involved many extracurricular activities ranging from ballet to baseball. KVOA notes that she loved the sport, as well as horseback riding and swimming.

"She was real special and real sweet," he said.
She also loved animals and was a passionate dancer who loved ballet, hip-hop, jazz and gymnastics and was the only girl on her Canyon del Oro Little League baseball team, "The Pirates." She played second base.

Christina came from a family of baseball players. Her grandfather, former Major League pitcher Dallas Green, was team manager for the Philadelphia Phillies when they won the World Series in 1980.

Christina's mother Roxanna Green appeared on MSNBC Sunday morning to talk about her daughter's death.

"I just want her memory to live on, she's a face of hope, a face of change," she said. "Stop the violence, stop the hatred."

Paul Rigby
01-10-2011, 09:53 PM
IS DAILY KOS INVOLVED IN ARIZONA MURDERS?

“My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!” — eerie Daily Kos hit piece on Gabrielle Giffords just two days before assassination attempt; repeated use of word “dead” in relation to Giffords just 48 hours before she and a dozen others were fired upon.

UPDATE: Daily Kos scrubs “dead to me” thread but screengrabs document everything

http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/my-congresswoman-voted-against-nancy-pelosi-and-is-now-dead-to-me-eerie-daily-kos-hit-piece-on-gabrielle-giffords-just-two-days-before-assassination-attempt-on-her/

Ed Jewett
01-11-2011, 02:47 AM
Gabrielle Giffords shooting: Frightening, twisted shrine in Arizona killer Jared Lee Loughner's yard

BY Matthew Lysiak In Tucson (http://www.nydailynews.com/authors/Matthew%20Lysiak%20In%20Tucson) and Lukas I. Alpert (http://www.nydailynews.com/authors/Lukas%20I.%20Alpert)
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Originally Published:Monday, January 10th 2011, 4:00 AM
Updated: Monday, January 10th 2011, 11:40 AM

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Miniature altar with human skull replica in backyard tent at Jared Lee Loughner's home.

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A sinister shrine reveals a chilling occult dimension in the mind of the deranged gunman accused of shooting a member of Congress and 19 others.
Hidden within a camouflage tent behind Jared Lee Loughner (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jared+Loughner)'s home sits an alarming altar with a skull sitting atop a pot filled with shriveled oranges.
A row of ceremonial candles and a bag of potting soil lay nearby, photos reveal.
Experts on Sunday said the elements are featured in the ceremonies of a number of occult groups.
Investigators have focused on Loughner's online anti-government ramblings as the chief motivation for the shooting Saturday of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Gabrielle+Giffords).
The discovery of the shrine raises the possibility that Loughner, 22, may have been driven by other forces. Students and faculty at Pima Community College (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Pima+Community+College), which he attended until his suspension last summer, said Loughner was clearly at odds with the world.
CLICK HERE FOR MORE PHOTOS (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/galleries/rep_gabrielle_giffords_shot_in_head/rep_gabrielle_giffords_shot_in_head.html)OF JARED LEE LOUGHNER'S HOUSE, THE SCENE OF THE TUSCON SHOOTING AND THE VICTIMS....
"He was one of the last kids tocome in, and he sat down and almost immediately started laughing to himself in a way that was just kind of creepy," a classmate, Alex Kotonias (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Alex+Kotonias), 20, told USA Today (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/USA+TODAY).
"As soon as the teacher started going over the syllabus, he had this outburst out of nowhere, didn't even raise his hand, and started asking the teacher some sort of weird questions about whether he believed in mind control."
Adjunct Prof. Ben McGahee (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Ben+McGahee), 28, worried about violence. "I remember going home and thinking to myself, 'Is he going to bring a weapon to class?'" he told USA Today.
Lynda Sorenson (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Lynda+Sorenson), 52, who was in McGahee's basic algebra class with Loughner, expressed similar fears in emails to friends, The Washington Post (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/The+Washington+Post+Company) reports.

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Inside Jared Lee Loughner's home (DAILY NEWS EXCLUSIVE).
Adjunct Prof. Ben McGahee, 28, worried about violence. "I remember going home and thinking to myself, 'Is he going to bring a weapon to class?'" he told USA Today.
Lynda Sorenson, 52, who was in McGahee's basic algebra class with Loughner, expressed similar fears in emails to friends, The Washington Post reports.
On June 14, she wrote: "We have a mentally unstable person in the class that scares the living crap out of me. He is one of those whose picture you see on the news, after he has come into class with an automatic weapon. Everyone interviewed would say, 'Yeah, he was in my math class and he was really weird.' I sit by the door with my purse handy."
In September, college officials sent campus police officers to Loughner's home, where he lives with his parents, with a letter informing him he could not return without a mental health professional's written assurance that hispresence at college would "notpresent a danger to himself or others."
"It was obvious to everyone that Jared wasn't a normal guy,"said neighbor Anthony Woods (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Anthony+Woods), 19.
Loughner worked as a volunteer at the Pima Animal Care Center (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Pima+Animal+Care+Center), where he walked dogs and cleaned cages. "He loved animals and was a good worker," said another volunteer.
Loughner had once tried to join the military but was deemed unsuitable, officials said.
mlysiak@nydailynews.com



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Ed Jewett
01-11-2011, 03:07 AM
Jared Loughner is Obsessed with Mind Control and the Occult

10th January 2011
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” … Classmates and neighbours described Loughner as “creepy” and “an emotional cripple” and said he used to ask teachers about mind control. … “


By Nick Allen
The Daily Telegraph | January 10, 2011
http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/mind-control-300x203.jpg (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/mind-control.jpg)FBI investigators delving into the warped mind of the Tucson massacre suspect Jared Loughner are exploring whether he was influenced by the occult and a Right-wing conspiracy theorist.
In messages left on the Internet before the shooting, Loughner, 22, revealed himself to be a social outcast with paranoid, nihilistic beliefs and a fixation with grammar.
At a public meeting with Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords three years ago, he asked: “What is government if it doesn’t exist?” It left the politician baffled.
According to the Southern Poverty Law Centre, a U.S. civil rights group, Loughner’s language and beliefs appeared to resemble those of David Wynn Miller, a Milwaukee-based activist who believes the U.S. government uses grammar to control people’s minds.
Miller, 62, a retired welder, has described himself as a plenipotentiary judge, ambassador, banker, genius and King of Hawaii, and invented his own form of grammar called “truth language”, that is said to set people free of the government.
He said he was appalled by the shootings, but agreed with Loughner’s pre-shooting Internet statement that “the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar”. Miller told the Milwaukee Journal that Loughner could have visited his website but he didn’t know him and he was “obviously disturbed”.
FBI agents combing through Loughner’s life will also explore whether he was an enthusiast of the occult after a fake skull was found at his home, sitting in a plant pot with shrivelled oranges. It appeared to be some form of shrine.
The skull was concealed outside the home he shares with his parents, Amy and Randy, in a middle-class area. Classmates and neighbours described Loughner as “creepy” and “an emotional cripple” and said he used to ask teachers about mind control.
They said he was an atheist who also believed that NASA space shuttle missions, which have been flown by Miss Giffords’s astronaut husband, Mark Kelly, were faked.
Ben McGahee, 28, a professor at Pima Community College, said: “I remember going home and thinking to myself: ‘Is he going to bring a weapon to class?’?”
Lynda Sorenson, 52, a mature student who had an algebra class with Loughner, wrote on email in June: “We have a mentally unstable person in the class that scares the living crap out of me. He is one of those whose picture you see on the news, after he has come into class with an automatic weapon.”
Loughner was suspended in September after writing on the Internet that the college was “unconstitutional”.
On Monday, one of the people who jumped on Loughner as he tried to reload on Saturday told of the struggle with him. Patricia Maisch, 61, who grabbed his second magazine, said: “The woman next to me was shot and I was expecting to be next. Then two men knocked him over and somebody yelled, ‘Get the gun!’ so I knelt up.
“He reached into his pocket and brought out a magazine. A third man came up and grabbed him, he dropped the magazine and I was able to pick it up and secure it. The three men were on him but his legs were flailing so I knelt on his ankles. He didn’t look angry, just a dead face, nothing.”
Colonel Bill Badger, 74, one of those three men, was grazed by a bullet on the back of his head. “I grabbed him around the throat,” the colonel said.
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Jack White
01-11-2011, 03:30 AM
They are now pronouncing his name LOCK-ner, not LONER as I
first heard. And they no longer use the LEE middle name.

Jack

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This is the report that Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik has been dreading since the tragic event on Saturday January 8.
The sheriff has been editorializing and politicizing the event since he took the podium to report on the incident. His blaming of radio personalities and bloggers is a pre-emptive strike because Mr. Dupnik knows this tragedy lays at his feet and his office. Six people died on his watch and he could have prevented it. He needs to step up and start apologizing to the families of the victims instead of spinning this event to serve his own political agenda.
Jared Loughner, pronounced by the Sheriff as Lock-ner, saying it was the Polish pronunciation. Of course he meant Scott or Irish but that isn’t the point. The point is he and his office have had previous contact with the alleged assailant in the past and that is how he knows how to pronounce the name.
Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County. Amy Loughner is a Natural Resource specialist for the Pima County Parks and Recreation. My sympathies and my heart goes out to her and the rest of Mr. Loughner’s family. This tragedy must be tearing them up inside wondering if they had done the right things in trying to manage Jared’s obvious mental instability.
Every victim of his threats previously must also be wondering if this tragedy could have been prevented if they had been more aggressive in pursuing charges against Mr. Loughner. Perhaps with a felony conviction he would never have been able to lawfully by the Glock 9mm Model 19 that he used to strike down the lives of six people and decimate 14 more.
This was not an act of politics. This was an act of a mentally disturbed young man hell bent on getting his 15 minutes of infamy. The Pima County Sheriff’s Department was aware of his violent nature and they failed to act appropriately. This tragedy leads right back to Sherriff Dupnik and all the spin in the world is not going to change that fact.

Ed Jewett
01-11-2011, 04:24 AM
Monday, January 10, 2011

And now back to our regularly scheduled dangerous vitriolic rhetoric (http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2011/01/and-now-back-to-our-regularly-scheduled.html)



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It seems like the terms vitriol and vitriolic have been used more in the last 3 days than in the rest of history combined. Perhaps that's an exaggeration but you know the media, once a word catches on it is used repetitively until we're sick of it. Sort of like anti-semetism.

Everyone with a political axe to grind or a propaganda angle to push is trying to make use of the Gabrielle Giffords mass shooting. Blame this one or that, words incite, words can kill. We've heard it all before but this event really gives an opportunity to push the envelope for censorship and more (http://theintelhub.com/2011/01/10/so-it-begins-carolyn-mccarthy-readies-gun-control-bill-after-tucson-shooting/). In the end this is not about quieting the controlled left/right politicians, their media shills and misguided followers. It is about shutting us up ... you and I.

Already there's a call to introduce legislation (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/136895-dem-planning-bill-that-would-outlaw-threatening-lawmakers) that would make it a federal crime to use language or symbols that could be perceived as threatening or inciting violence against a federal official or member of Congress.

Just how specific would that law be and who would have the say so on what inciting violence is? Would violence actually have to occur or would this be more in the realm of 'thought crime?'

Would calling Joe Lieberman a traitor, Lindsey Graham a war whore or questioning that a majority of Congress are controlled or blackmailed by AIPAC, Wall Street and the mega-corporations be inciting? How about saying that the entire Congress and many federal officials are complicit in covering up the 9/11 black op? It could be dangerous just talking about how the Congress and federal officials have blood on their hands for allowing the lying wars to continue or how they get on their knees waving tons of money before Israel and supporting the genocide and land theft of Palestine. Words could trigger loons to act and it would be all your fault.

Mostly it's about inciting fear. Fear to speak out. Fear to call those in power the applicable names they so well deserve. Fear to try and expose the criminal activities in government.

It's not about the "in the crosshairs" symbols of Sara Palin. It's about the symbolism of "we" who are dangerous because we ask the questions.



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The traitor of the day award goes to Glenn Beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxg5Xmo_S4o) who amazingly uses the Giffords incident to lead into how he's always been right and who is number one on his list of people with dangerous thoughts ... truthers.

Yes, number 1 in his "A Recipe for Danger."

"I have told you on this program that we are facing a danger and I, on this program, have highlighted certain things. I've told you that there are people out there that I think are dangerous that actually believe that 9/11 was an inside job and that George Bush was responsible for wiring it up and blowing up the world trade center. I think some of those people are nuts.

I think some of them are dangerous.

I have told you that the government would so discredit themselves that those things would start to make more and more sense and people would say, you know what, I don't even know if I believe in the moon landing anymore."
I was surprised that Beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqDmETwbi0U) didn't equate truthers with holocaust deniers but he did throw in these other gems; "He {Jared Loughner} thinks George Bush was behind 9/11," "19 hijackers who took down the world trade center in the name of Allah," "My agenda is the truth."

transparent bullshit ...

vitriolic rhetoric ...

It makes you want to get up and smack the TV.
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Peter Lemkin
01-11-2011, 04:48 AM
By MAGGIE HABERMAN
Politico | January 9, 2011

The feds are reportedly probing whether shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner has ties to an anti-Semitic, anti-government hate group that has ads for tea party organizations on its website.

A Department of Homeland Security memo quoted by Fox News says the agency is looking into whether Loughner is “possibly linked” to the fanatical group American Renaissance.

The group promotes views that are “anti-government, anti-immigration, anti-ZOG (Zionist Occupation Government), anti-Semitic,” the memo says.

It’s not immediately clear that Loughner is actually a member.

Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the target of Loughner’s firing frenzy, is “the first Jewish female elected to such a high position in the U.S. government. She was also opposite the group’s ideology when it came to immigration debate,” according the memo.

The group’s website features what appear to be paid advertisements for tea party versions of the “don’t tread on me” flag.

Jared Taylor, editor of American Renaissance, made clear in an interview with Fox News that the group considers itself a think tank of sorts with a conservative circular that’s available by subscription.

Asked about the memo, he said, “That is complete nonsense. I have absolutely no idea what DHS is talking about.”

He told the cable channel that his group checked subscriber lists for its circular and found no record of Loughner subscribing or attending events.

Mark Potok, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project, described the American Renaissance’s journal as a “kind of white-collar, white supremicists outlet, better described as white nationalists” that is read by “pseudo intellectuals” and “academic racists.”

He said the group focuses on race and IQ issues, specifically that African Americans are not as intelligent as whites.

The group had a debate about whether they should also concentrate on Jews, but the majority “was not into that,” Potok said.

“Jared Taylor is not an anti-Semite,” Potok said.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47308.html#ixzz1AZKasmwb

Peter Lemkin
01-11-2011, 04:51 AM
Jared Loughner is Obsessed with Mind Control and the Occult

10th January 2011
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” … Classmates and neighbours described Loughner as “creepy” and “an emotional cripple” and said he used to ask teachers about mind control. … “


By Nick Allen
The Daily Telegraph | January 10, 2011
http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/mind-control-300x203.jpg (http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/mind-control.jpg)FBI investigators delving into the warped mind of the Tucson massacre suspect Jared Loughner are exploring whether he was influenced by the occult and a Right-wing conspiracy theorist.
In messages left on the Internet before the shooting, Loughner, 22, revealed himself to be a social outcast with paranoid, nihilistic beliefs and a fixation with grammar.
At a public meeting with Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords three years ago, he asked: “What is government if it doesn’t exist?” It left the politician baffled.
According to the Southern Poverty Law Centre, a U.S. civil rights group, Loughner’s language and beliefs appeared to resemble those of David Wynn Miller, a Milwaukee-based activist who believes the U.S. government uses grammar to control people’s minds.
Miller, 62, a retired welder, has described himself as a plenipotentiary judge, ambassador, banker, genius and King of Hawaii, and invented his own form of grammar called “truth language”, that is said to set people free of the government.
He said he was appalled by the shootings, but agreed with Loughner’s pre-shooting Internet statement that “the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar”. Miller told the Milwaukee Journal that Loughner could have visited his website but he didn’t know him and he was “obviously disturbed”.
FBI agents combing through Loughner’s life will also explore whether he was an enthusiast of the occult after a fake skull was found at his home, sitting in a plant pot with shrivelled oranges. It appeared to be some form of shrine.
The skull was concealed outside the home he shares with his parents, Amy and Randy, in a middle-class area. Classmates and neighbours described Loughner as “creepy” and “an emotional cripple” and said he used to ask teachers about mind control.
They said he was an atheist who also believed that NASA space shuttle missions, which have been flown by Miss Giffords’s astronaut husband, Mark Kelly, were faked.
Ben McGahee, 28, a professor at Pima Community College, said: “I remember going home and thinking to myself: ‘Is he going to bring a weapon to class?’?”
Lynda Sorenson, 52, a mature student who had an algebra class with Loughner, wrote on email in June: “We have a mentally unstable person in the class that scares the living crap out of me. He is one of those whose picture you see on the news, after he has come into class with an automatic weapon.”
Loughner was suspended in September after writing on the Internet that the college was “unconstitutional”.
On Monday, one of the people who jumped on Loughner as he tried to reload on Saturday told of the struggle with him. Patricia Maisch, 61, who grabbed his second magazine, said: “The woman next to me was shot and I was expecting to be next. Then two men knocked him over and somebody yelled, ‘Get the gun!’ so I knelt up.
“He reached into his pocket and brought out a magazine. A third man came up and grabbed him, he dropped the magazine and I was able to pick it up and secure it. The three men were on him but his legs were flailing so I knelt on his ankles.
He didn’t look angry, just a dead face, nothing.”
Colonel Bill Badger, 74, one of those three men, was grazed by a bullet on the back of his head. “I grabbed him around the throat,” the colonel said.
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http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Jared+Loughner+Suspect+obsessed+mind+control+occul t/4086928/story.html#ixzz1Afc1A040


http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/allposts/jared-loughner-is-obsessed-with-mind-control-and-the-occult

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Ed Jewett
01-11-2011, 05:52 AM
The Shooting Of Congresswoman Giffords, By Mike Ruppert


By carolyn, on January 9th, 2011
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[In spite of how the media spins this tragedy, let's keep the bigger picture in mind.--CB]
ORIGINAL ARTICLE (http://www.collapsenet.com/free-resources/collapsenet-public-access)
January 9, 2011, 10:30 AM PST (Culver City) — The shooting yesterday of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (D, AZ) which also resulted in the deaths of six people and the wounding of 14 others was more than just a wake up call. My first reaction was that civil unrest in the midst of economic collapse and corruption calling into question the legitimacy and relevance of government had begun. One in seven Americans are now living on food stamps. Unemployment is now near 25% according to some sources which track those who have stopped looking. And the continuing travesty of Mortgagegate is eroding everyone’s faith in the rule of law in this country. This nation is seeing poverty rates approach levels unseen in this country for nearly a century. Yesterday I called my old friend former six-term Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney for a reality check. When she first learned of the shooting she had the same reaction as mine which was essentially that “The people have (finally) turned on congress”. Her take — as well as mine — was that House leadership had exactly the same gut-level reaction. These perceptions were confirmed by the very first news reports (saying that Rep. Gifford had died), and that all members of the House should take immediate and increased security precautions.
Even though the situation is still unfolding, and I have heard reports of possibly two other people having been with or connected to the shooter, one message is clear. Congress has been and still is expecting attacks from an increasingly frustrated, impoverished and disenfranchised populace for its abysmal failure to rationally explain and address what is so obviously happening to the American people and the world as a whole.
It may well be that the suspect Jared Lee Loughner will prove to be a highly deranged and unstable individual. That certainly is the way he’s being spun, and not without evidence to support it. But it would be folly to automatically assume that his actions occurred in a vacuum somehow uninfluenced by the events of collapse that we see all around us. Fear is everywhere. One other thing is clear. This will have a chilling effect on personal interactions between members of the House and their constituents. “It’s going to change”, said McKinney.
There will undoubtedly be those who want to go off down blind alleys and after red herrings looking for all kinds of things. Anti-Semitism has already been offered on the altar of public consumption because the Congresswoman is Jewish. The Tea Party and Sarah Palin are being routinely injected into media discussions. We may see some new gun laws but they will not alter the fact that there are already an estimated 250 million firearms and perhaps billions of rounds of ammunition that are in the hands of an increasingly distressed American populace. Conditions are inevitably going to worsen despite Fed Chairman Bernanke’s recent proclamation the “The recovery is taking hold”. Continued irrationality on the part of the government will produce more irrationality from the people until the time comes when it will not be possible to conveniently categorize would-be assassins and shooters as deranged. Otherwise the government will be in the position of having to label us all as such and by then it won’t matter.
Jared Lee Loughner is a young man, from a younger generation less inclined to worry about the labels offered by The Establishment. His generation — as with young people all over the world — is suffering mightily and will bear the brunt of the wreckage human industrial civilization has left them. He is a member of a generation which — looking into its future — sees nothing except hopelessness. Make no mistake that as the fallout from this tragic event continues that, and that alone will be the paramount concern for political leaders in this country and around the world.

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http://carolynbaker.net/2011/01/09/the-shooting-of-congresswoman-giffords-by-mike-ruppert/

Ed Jewett
01-11-2011, 06:20 AM
"Federal Judge John McCarthy Roll was the Chief Judge for the United States District Court for the District of Arizona who this past Friday issued what is called a "preliminary ruling" in a case titled "United States of America v. $333,520.00 in United States Currency et al" [Case Number: 4:2010cv00703 Filed: November 30, 2010] wherein he stated he was preparing to rule against Obama's power to seize American citizens money without clear and convincing evidence of a crime being committed."

[Case Number: 4:2010cv00703 Filed: November 30, 2010] LINK http://dockets.justia.com/docket/arizona/a...cv00703/568697/ (http://dockets.justia.com/docket/arizona/azdce/4:2010cv00703/568697/)


finders' tip of the cap to titanium man

David Guyatt
01-11-2011, 10:35 AM
Jared Loughner is Obsessed with Mind Control and the Occult


Where have we seen this before?

Sirhan Sirhan was deeply interested in the occult.

Paul Rigby
01-11-2011, 10:19 PM
All change, all change...


Doctor: Giffords has '101 percent chance' of surviving
Congresswoman has moving both arms, breathing on her own

msnbc.com news services

Doctors initially thought the bullet entered the back of the skull and exited the front, but after reviewing X-rays and brain scans, two outside physicians brought in by Giffords' medical team now believe that Giffords was likely shot in the front of her head.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41018273/ns/health-health_care/

Paul Rigby
01-11-2011, 10:26 PM
All change, all change...


Doctor: Giffords has '101 percent chance' of surviving
Congresswoman has moving both arms, breathing on her own

msnbc.com news services

Doctors initially thought the bullet entered the back of the skull and exited the front, but after reviewing X-rays and brain scans, two outside physicians brought in by Giffords' medical team now believe that Giffords was likely shot in the front of her head.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41018273/ns/health-health_care/

Updated EST 3: 43 PM: New York Times reports a witness saying: "the gunman approached her from behind, held a gun about a foot from her head and began firing. 'He must have got off 20 rounds,' he said."

http://www.salon.com/news/terrorism/index.html?story=/news/feature/2011/01/08/us_congresswoman_shot

Paul Rigby
01-11-2011, 10:36 PM
All change, all change...


Doctor: Giffords has '101 percent chance' of surviving
Congresswoman has moving both arms, breathing on her own

msnbc.com news services

Doctors initially thought the bullet entered the back of the skull and exited the front, but after reviewing X-rays and brain scans, two outside physicians brought in by Giffords' medical team now believe that Giffords was likely shot in the front of her head.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41018273/ns/health-health_care/

Updated EST 3: 43 PM: New York Times reports a witness saying: "the gunman approached her from behind, held a gun about a foot from her head and began firing. 'He must have got off 20 rounds,' he said."

http://www.salon.com/news/terrorism/index.html?story=/news/feature/2011/01/08/us_congresswoman_shot

NB The original Salon page has now been edited to remove the entry for EST 3:43 PM. It was all a most terrible misunderstanding.

Ed Jewett
01-12-2011, 01:41 AM
Someone off to the side was taking cell phone video footage, no? And sent it to their friends (via the NSA) and...

David Guyatt
01-12-2011, 09:48 AM
All change, all change...


Doctor: Giffords has '101 percent chance' of surviving
Congresswoman has moving both arms, breathing on her own

msnbc.com news services

Doctors initially thought the bullet entered the back of the skull and exited the front, but after reviewing X-rays and brain scans, two outside physicians brought in by Giffords' medical team now believe that Giffords was likely shot in the front of her head.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41018273/ns/health-health_care/

Updated EST 3: 43 PM: New York Times reports a witness saying: "the gunman approached her from behind, held a gun about a foot from her head and began firing. 'He must have got off 20 rounds,' he said."

http://www.salon.com/news/terrorism/index.html?story=/news/feature/2011/01/08/us_congresswoman_shot

NB The original Salon page has now been edited to remove the entry for EST 3:43 PM. It was all a most terrible misunderstanding.

Perhaps someone should ask Salon why that update was removed? I've also checked the N Y Times live blog (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/08/live-blog-representative-giffords-shot/?scp=2&sq=congresswoman%20giffords&st=cse) for around that time on the 8th and can see nothing that even hints at the direction the shots came from. But perhaps Salon got that report from other than the NY Times live blog?

Peter Lemkin
01-12-2011, 09:03 PM
” … The term ‘blood libel’ refers to the slander, dating to the late Middle Ages, that Jews serially kidnapped and murdered Christian children to use their blood in rituals. … “

By Chris Good
The Atlantic | January 12, 2011

A liberal pro-Israel lobbying group is calling on Sarah Palin to apologize after she accused the media of “manufactur[ing] a blood libel” against her and conservatives after the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

Said J Street President Jeremy Ben-Ami in a statement released Wednesday:

J Street is saddened by Governor Palin’s use of the term “blood libel.”

The country’s attention is rightfully focused on the memorial service for the victims of Saturday’s shooting. Our prayers continue to be with those who are still fighting to recover and the families of the victims. The last thing the country needs now is for the rhetoric in the wake of this tragedy to return to where it was before.

We hope that Governor Palin will recognize, when it is brought to her attention, that the term “blood libel” brings back painful echoes of a very dark time in our communal history when Jews were falsely accused of committing heinous deeds. When Governor Palin learns that many Jews are pained by and take offense at the use of the term, we are sure that she will choose to retract her comment, apologize and make a less inflammatory choice of words.

The term “blood libel” refers to the slander, dating to the late Middle Ages, that Jews serially kidnapped and murdered Christian children to use their blood in rituals. After such accusations were leveled, Jews frequently were persecuted and killed. The Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance, who publish essays on religious tolerance, hold up this explanation and timeline of the term.

UPDATE: More pro-Israel and Jewish groups criticize Palin’s use of the term.

The Anti-Defamation League, which fights anti-Semitism, wishes Palin would have used a different term, one that isn’t so “fraught with pain in Jewish history.” From its national director, Abraham Foxman:

It is unfortunate that the tragedy in Tucson continues to stimulate a political blame game. Rather than step back and reflect on the lessons to be learned from this tragedy, both parties have reverted to political partisanship and finger-pointing at a time when the American people are looking for leadership, not more vitriol. In response to this tragedy we need to rise above partisanship, incivility, heated rhetoric, and the business-as-usual approaches that are corroding our political system and tainting the atmosphere in Washington and across the country.

It was inappropriate at the outset to blame Sarah Palin and others for causing this tragedy or for being an accessory to murder. Palin has every right to defend herself against these kinds of attacks, and we agree with her that the best tradition in America is one of finding common ground despite our differences.

Still, we wish that Palin had not invoked the phrase “blood-libel” in reference to the actions of journalists and pundits in placing blame for the shooting in Tucson on others. While the term “blood-libel” has become part of the English parlance to refer to someone being falsely accused, we wish that Palin had used another phrase, instead of one so fraught with pain in Jewish history.

David Harris, president of the National Jewish Democratic Council, says Palin escalated her rhetoric and wonders whether she knows what “blood libel” means:

Following this weekend’s tragedy, we — and many others — simply did two things: we prayed for our friend Gabby while keeping all of the murdered and wounded in our thoughts and prayers, and we talked in broad terms about our increasingly charged level of political debate — asserting that now is as good a time as any to look inward and assess how all of us need to dial back the level of vitriol and anger in our public square. Nobody can disagree with the need for both.

Instead of dialing down the rhetoric at this difficult moment, Sarah Palin chose to accuse others trying to sort out the meaning of this tragedy of somehow engaging in a “blood libel” against her and others. This is of course a particularly heinous term for American Jews, given that the repeated fiction of blood libels are directly responsible for the murder of so many Jews across centuries — and given that blood libels are so directly intertwined with deeply ingrained anti-Semitism around the globe, even today.

Perhaps Sarah Palin honestly does not know what a blood libel is, or does not know of their horrific history; that is perhaps the most charitable explanation we can arrive at in explaining her rhetoric today.

All we had asked following this weekend’s tragedy was for prayers for the dead and wounded, and for all of us to take a step back and look inward to see how we can improve the tenor of our coarsening public debate. Sarah Palin’s invocation of a “blood libel” charge against her perceived enemies is hardly a step in the right direction.

And from Simon Greer, president of Jewish Funds for Justice:

We are deeply disturbed by Fox News commentator Sarah Palin’s decision to characterize as a “blood libel” the criticism directed at her following the terrorist attack in Tucson. The term “blood libel” is not a synonym for “false accusation.” It refers to a specific falsehood perpetuated by Christians about Jews for centuries, a falsehood that motivated a good deal of anti-Jewish violence and discrimination. Unless someone has been accusing Ms. Palin of killing Christian babies and making matzoh from their blood, her use of the term is totally out-of-line.

In the past two months, Ms. Palin and Glenn Beck, the most well-known media personalities on Fox News, have abused two of the most tragic episode in the history of the Jewish people: the Holocaust and the blood libel. In addition, Roger Ailes, the head of the Fox News channel, referred to the executives at NPR as “Nazis.” Perhaps the popular news channel has such an ingrained victim mentality that it identifies with one of the most persecuted minorities in human history. But the Jewish community does not appreciate their identification, which only serves to denigrate the very real pain so many Jews have suffered because of anti-Semitic violence. It is clear that Fox News has a Jewish problem.

Sarah Palin did not shoot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. Only the perpetrator can be found guilty for this act of terrorism. But it is worth pointing out that it was Rep. Giffords herself who first objected to Ms. Palin’s map showing her district in the crosshairs. “We’re on Sarah Palin’s targeted list, but the thing is, the way she has it depicted, it has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that they have to realize that there are consequences to that action.” According to Ms. Palin’s logic, Rep. Giffords statement was a blood libel against the Fox News host. The fact that Rep. Giffords is Jewish and Ms. Palin is Christian makes the accusation even more grotesque.

Ms. Palin clearly took some time to reflect before putting out her statement today. Despite that time, her primary conclusion was that she is the victim and Rep. Giffords is the perpetrator. As a powerful rhetorical advocate for personal responsibility, Ms. Palin has failed to live up to her own standards with this statement.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/pro-israel-groups-palin-must-apologize-for-blood-libel-accusation/69400/

Peter Lemkin
01-14-2011, 03:16 PM
Gabrielle Giffords’ Arizona Shooting Prompts Resignations

By Edythe Jensen
The Arizona Republic | Jan. 11, 2011

A nasty battle between factions of Legislative District 20 Republicans and fears that it could turn violent in the wake of what happened in Tucson on Saturday prompted District Chairman Anthony Miller and several others to resign.

Miller, a 43-year-old Ahwatukee Foothills resident and former campaign worker for U.S. Sen. John McCain, was re-elected to a second one-year term last month. He said constant verbal attacks after that election and Internet blog posts by some local members with Tea Party ties made him worry about his family’s safety.

In an e-mail sent a few hours after Saturday’s massacre in Tucson that killed six and injured 13, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, Miller told state Republican Party Chairman Randy Pullen he was quitting: “Today my wife of 20 yrs ask (sic) me do I think that my PCs (Precinct Committee members) will shoot at our home? So with this being said I am stepping down from LD20GOP Chairman … I will make a full statement on Monday.”

Pullen was in Washington, D.C. and not available for comment, an employee in his office said. State party spokesman Matt Roberts said he could not discuss details of the district’s disputes but, “Anthony has been a good Republican and was really involved in LD20.”

The newly-elected Dist. 20 Republican secretary, Sophia Johnson of Ahwatukee, first vice chairman Roger Dickinson of Tempe and Jeff Kolb, the former district spokesman from Ahwatukee, also quit. “This singular focus on ‘getting’ Anthony (Miller) was one of the main reasons I chose to resign,” Kolb said in an e-mail to another party activist. Kolb confirmed the contents of the e-mail to the Republic.

District 20 includes parts of Chandler, south Tempe and Ahwatukee Foothills. Republican state Rep. Bob Robson of Chandler and Sen. John McComish of Ahwatukee said they had supported Miller as chairman and were sorry to see him go. “It’s too bad,” McComish said. “He didn’t deserve to be hounded out of office.”

A longtime Republican activist, McComish said contentious battles for local party leadership posts are nothing new, but this one appears to be more extreme, especially since there are no partisan elections in 2011 and by next year district boundaries will change.

Kolb said the Tea Party and associated conservative groups ran their slate of candidates for seven Dist. 20 leadership positions, winning three — the treasurer’s post and two vice-chairmanships. However, Miller beat challenger Thomas Morrissey for the top post after Sheriff Joe Arpaio made a personal appearance for Morrissey. Phone messages left for Morrissey were not returned.

After the election and around the December holiday season, some of Miller’s detractors made an issue of the residency of Dickinson, the first vice-chairman. Dickinson, who did not return phone messages, was a supporter of Miller’s and allegedly moved to a different precinct within Dist. 20 last year, making him ineligible for the leadership post. Miller said he told the critics he would handle the matter after the holidays. In the meantime, a series of accusatory e-mails was exchanged among party members. Some blasted Miller’s support of McCain, called him a “McCainiac with a penchant for violating the rules” and a “McCain hack.”

Members of the Ahwatukee Tea Party group did not respond to e-mails seeking comment.

Miller said when he was a member of McCain’s campaign staff last year has been criticized by the more conservative party members who supported Republican opponent J.D. Hayworth. The first and only African-American to hold the party’s precinct chairmanship, Miller said he has been called “McCain’s boy,” and during the campaign saw a critic form his hand in the shape of a gun and point it at him.

“I wasn’t going to resign but decided to quit after what happened Saturday,” Miller said. “I love the Republican Party but I don’t want to take a bullet for anyone.”

http://www.azcentral.com/community/ahwatukee/articles/2011/01/11/20110111gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-resignations.html#ixzz1AwZSC0PQ

David Guyatt
01-14-2011, 07:09 PM
All change, all change...


Doctor: Giffords has '101 percent chance' of surviving
Congresswoman has moving both arms, breathing on her own

msnbc.com news services

Doctors initially thought the bullet entered the back of the skull and exited the front, but after reviewing X-rays and brain scans, two outside physicians brought in by Giffords' medical team now believe that Giffords was likely shot in the front of her head.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41018273/ns/health-health_care/

Btw, this is what happened when Israeli PM, Yitzak Rabin was assassinated. But in reverse.

The apparent killer, a young zealot shot two shots from behind.

That's all.

Which always raises the question why the kill shot was a contact shot to Rabin's chest.

Things change quickly as the following cover-up gets properly dialled in.

Paul Rigby
01-14-2011, 11:30 PM
Was this the moment Obama won back America? (This section p29):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/13/tucson-memorial-speech-verdict-president

Exterminatory liberal imperialism obviously feels need to retain its non-white mask

Magda Hassan
01-15-2011, 12:57 AM
A nice warm fuzzy feel good speech. A bed time story. A Lullabye. No social or political context of course. We are all just lone nuts in their narrative. Billions of lone nuts all acting as individuals. Except if you are Muslim in which case it is all organised. Fancy that?

Ed Jewett
01-15-2011, 01:50 AM
The Obama event at the University of Arizona was panned by more than one lone wolf.

Chris Floyd:

Speech Pathology: Rain Puddles in Heaven, Hellfire on Earth (http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/2076-speech-pathology-rain-puddles-in-heaven-hellfire-on-earth.html)

who also linked to Arthur Silber:
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2011/01/you-cant-think-and-youre-goddamned.html


You Can't Think, and You're Goddamned Liars


and George Kenney at Electric Politics:

What a Gas!
http://www.electricpolitics.com/2011/01/what_a_gas.html

and

Expanding our Moral Imaginations – Obama’s Speech is Just More Bullshit (http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/01/13/expanding-our-moral-imaginations-obamas-speech-is-just-more-bullshit/)
Posted on January 13, 2011 by willyloman by Scott Creighton

Magda Hassan
01-15-2011, 03:17 AM
Blackpacket Exclusive: Anomalies in the Giffords shooting

January 11, 2011
By Hx (http://antigov.info/author/admin/)




By Don White
TheBlackPacket.com (http://www.theblackpacket.com/)
With all the talk about the left and right and who influenced Loughner to shoot countless people and attempt to kill Gifford, why is nobody talking about this plain anomaly?
It was first brought to my attention my none other than youtube user Montagraph who pointed out that he noticed Giffords official youtube account http://www.youtube.com/users/Gifford2 had only 2 channels it subscribed to. One being that of former congressman Ike Skelton and the other being that of Loughner.
While at first this can be discounted as simply being a fake youtube account, or maybe a mistake, or someone she or the staff knew. Or maybe it was added after the shooting to keep tabs on his account etc. However the rabbit hole goes deeper as you look into the details of this bizarre link.
1) First, is this really her account? Well the answer can easily be found by visiting www.giffords.house.gov. You can see plainly that the only video player which contains all of her political speeches and television appearances is linked to the Giffords2 account. This youtube account is definitely official and ‘trusted’ as the main source of Gifford’s videos. Likely it is run by her staff at all times, and it’s quite possible she does not even check it, however it is official and for her current position in congress.
2) Is the gunman’s account, Classitup10, really that of Loughner? This is published in the media and also you can see clearly that he posted his full name conveniently in each video he uploaded prior to the shooting. This is definitely his account, was created previously and contains the only messages we have seen from him.
3) When did this link occur? was it after the incident to keep tabs on him; to let everyone see who he was? or was this a previous link she or her staff made? This can easily be figured out using yahoo.com’s cache (since google updated theirs) and we can see that as of the 26th of December, the congresswoman’s account was NOT subscribed to the gunman. However we can see through several individuals’ screenshots that as of January 8th, it had been two days since someone logged into her account, and as of January 8th she was already subscribed to him. This brings us to the conclusion that her account was subscribed to him sometime between December 26th and January 6th. Before the incident… This is VERY strange….
Taken January 8, 2011
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1113/jan8th.jpg (http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1113/jan8th.jpg)
Taken from yahoo.com cache December 26, 2010
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/7433/dec26.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/7433/dec26.jpg)
This brings us to the 20,000$ question…
3) The only videos uploaded by the gunman are very poor quality, very self absorbed, have no video or audio quality of any kind.
Here is his channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10
These videos are pretty bad for even the usual low budget windows media conspiracy videos we often see. It is merely text explaining general disgust with various things, mainly the government and politics, in very hard to follow sentences. He mentions mind control as well.
Why would the congresswoman or anyone in her staff associate her account with his? Even if he was a family member or best friend, why would anyone associate a congresswoman’s official account with some extremist? This is political suicide… His account has only favorited a single video, a video of someone burning an american flag. It is rumored this is him in the video and that is his second account, however I cannot verify this.
All this makes no sense.. No reason she or anyone in her staff should have ever subscribed to him?
4) More question into the videos that Lougher uploaded… The tags for his video “hello” which shows the text “Hello, my name is Jared Lougher” are only his name and address. It seems to find this video in a search engine you would be looking specifically for him by name only. This video should have been VERY unpopular until after the incident. So when we look at the statistics on the video through youtube, we see the OBVIOUS spike in traffic the last couple days. However there was another huge spike on December 28th? Why is that? We see he got over 45,000 views in a single day… Why is it with over 500 subscribers, some of my better videos have less than that many views after several months? The video was uploaded on December 15th, and on December 28th it suddenly has a spike in views that show it basically went viral for one day… Then back to normal until the shooting?
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/317/statsyd.jpg (http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/317/statsyd.jpg)
I can’t explain this sudden spike in traffic, and maybe it’s irrelevant, but it’s there, and it makes no sense… How did he get these hits? It claims the majority were mobile users.. Odd.
I have no idea what to think honestly. Why this link? And now as of writing this, the link has just been removed by whoever administers the Giffords2 page. This is already sinking down the memory hole as nobody is covering this or asking the important questions… Why? and Who? made the subscription? This insider obviously did something VERY strange by linking to the shooter, and somehow had previous knowledge as this was before the incident.. and even more, this person wanted the world to see for the days following the incident until today when it was removed.
Some believe a hacker? Why would a hacker do this before the shooting? this “hacker” too would need inside info.. about who to link to prior to the incident. There is someone very important and very involved in this case who we are not hearing about. The fact that this link was made before the shooting, by someone on the inside, I believe, shows some sort of inside involvement with participants other than Loughner. What do you think?
Sources:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10
http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2
http://www.giffords.house.gov
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/
http://www.youtube.com/user/Montagraph

Ed Jewett
01-15-2011, 04:47 AM
Interesting find, Magda. Thank you.

Peter Lemkin
01-15-2011, 06:39 AM
As the man in his 50s who got away after being with [taking ]? Loughner there at the event. He seems to also be forgotten about accidentally on purpose.

Magda Hassan
01-15-2011, 07:25 AM
I thought he was supposed to have been the taxi driver that delivered him there? I know he was dismissed as a person of interest. Is there some one else?

Peter Lemkin
01-15-2011, 08:11 AM
JUAN GONZALEZ: The youngest victim of the Arizona shooting rampage has been laid to rest. More than 2,000 people packed into a Tucson church, and hundreds more lined the road outside, to remember nine-year-old Christina Taylor Green. The third-grade student was born on September 11th, 2001. She had recently been elected to her school’s student council. Her funeral was the first for the six people killed last week when alleged gunman Jared Loughton opened fire at a Tucson grocery store in an apparent assassination attempt of Congressmember Gabrielle Giffords.

The shooting has sparked a national debate across the country about political rhetoric. Many have pointed to a controversial map issued by former Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin that included crosshairs on various Democratic districts, including Giffords’. In a tweet at the time, Palin urged supporters, quote, "Don’t Retreat-RELOAD!"

Giffords won reelection in a tight race against her Tea Party-backed Republican opponent Jesse Kelly, a former Marine who served in Iraq. In June, Kelly promoted a campaign event on his website that read, quote, "Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly."

AMY GOODMAN: Critics have also pointed to comments made by the former Republican candidate for Senate from Nevada, Sharron Angle. Angle came under intense scrutiny during the campaign for suggesting people should invoke "Second Amendment remedies" as a check on the government and to, quote, "take out" her opponent, Harry Reid.

We turn now to one of the survivors of the Arizona shooting, Eric Fuller. He’s a 63-year-old disabled vet who had campaigned for Gabrielle Giffords. He was at the supermarket in Tucson Saturday to meet with Giffords. He was shot in the leg, wounded in the back. We spoke with him at his home in Tucson, and he described what happened.

ERIC FULLER: Once she walked up to me, she said, "I’ll answer your questions, but you have to wait." And there was a line forming up there, so I went over and I sat down and looked over my questions, only two of them, kind of long ones, and was trying to figure out which one and whether I should, you know, ask those questions, when I heard the sound of gunshots. And I looked over only about 10 or 15 feet away, where Gabrielle Giffords had been standing, and in her place was a very excited gunman who was athletically pumping out the rounds and pointing the gun at anybody that he could get a bead on.

People around me were being hit. I just dove for the ground. And while I was diving for the ground, a round hit me in the knee. I was conscious of that. And while I was on the ground, I guess another one, another round, hit me in the back. A fragment did; it hit me in the back. A woman went over and knocked the clip out of his hand. He was reloading. He had a Glock 9mm with a 30-round clip in it. And my thought on the ground was that he’s going to come and finish us off. But this woman knocked the other clip out of his hand. Then a couple of guys came along, bystanders, and they tackled him, knocked him to the ground.

I was in shock, and I just wandered out into the parking lot. And a woman was pushing a cart full of groceries out there. And I said to her, "I’ve been shot." And she just looked at me like I was crazy. I was taken to the hospital. And even though I was sedated and everything, I stayed up—I was staying up, stayed most of the night. And I didn’t know how to calm myself down, so I wrote down the Declaration of Independence, which I memorized some time ago. And that did help to organize my thoughts. And the first thing that I wrote down and what my reaction was to it was: "How many other people? How many other demented people are out there? It looks like Palin, Beck, Sharron Angle and the rest got their first target. Their wish for Second Amendment activism has been fulfilled—senseless hatred leading to murder, lunatic fringe anarchism, subscribed to by John Boehner, mainstream rebels with vengeance for all, even nine-year-old girls." There was a little girl named Christina Green, nine years old, who is one of the deceased.

Another thing I wrote down was, "Can we have another fundraiser at the target range, Jesse Kelly?" Jesse Kelly ran against her in the election. And I’ve heard him speak several—a couple of times, and I couldn’t believe he was a real candidate. I thought he was just like a fake candidate. It didn’t seem like anybody would consider him seriously. He came within 4,000 votes of winning the election. One of his slogans was: "Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly." Kind of a very marginal personality and a low mentality.

I worked hard to elect Gabrielle Giffords. I would rather she was busy doing her job today than lying in a hospital with a gunshot wound in the head.

David Guyatt
01-15-2011, 11:02 AM
Blackpacket Exclusive: Anomalies in the Giffords shooting

Yes Magda, very interesting indeed.

Bernice Moore
01-16-2011, 11:53 AM
Russian's Point of View on Arizona Shooting: FBI, Secret Service, Sheriff - not Politicians - Are Responsible for the Tragedy
http://www.russiablog.org/2011/01/russians_point_of_view_on_ariz.php

Peter Lemkin
01-16-2011, 03:56 PM
Blackpacket Exclusive: Anomalies in the Giffords shooting

Yes Magda, very interesting indeed.

Sadly, all too sadly, just another 'normative' day in America...but you don't hear about it...because those shot were poor, non-white and not famous nor part of the establishment.....

Hey, we are number one! Hey!....in deaths by shots from guns of persons we don't know and for reasons other than robbery. Very often the shooters are the police!

I don't mean to discount the anomalies in the Gillfords attempted assassination. That is something else we are number one at - assassinations by lone gunmen with no 'rational reason' for choosing their prey......(sic)'. She was a woman. She was Jewish. She was somewhat progressive and she was hated by the ultra-right. What more do you need to know?!.......

Peter Lemkin
01-17-2011, 08:38 AM
By Jim Walsh
The Arizona Republic | January 14, 2011

Pima County detectives are investigating if some death threats received by fax this spring by a California state senator might be connected to the Tucson shooting spree that left six dead and Rep. Gabrielle Giffords critically wounded.

A Pima County detective called Sen. Leland Yee’s chief of staff on Monday to inquire about some racist faxes Yee received in March or April after he checked into payments made by a California state university to Sarah Palin for a speaking engagement.

Adam Keigwin, Yee’s top aide, said he was surprised by the detective’s call.

“I’m not certain if there is a definite connection” between the threats received by Yee and the Giffords case, Keigwin said. “He referenced that they are seeing similar faxes in their investigation. I think it has similar terminology. I don’t know for sure, but he said they are getting very similar faxes.”

Deputy Jason Ogan, a Pima County Sheriff’s Department spokesman, could not be reached for comment.

Keigwin said Yee received several anonymous threatening telephone messages at his offices and that he dismissed those as angry outbursts by “Sarah Palin fans.”

But he said the faxes were far more ominous. One featured a depiction of a noose and said “kill all the Marxists.” Others contained the “n” word and a communist symbol, attempting to draw a connection between Yee and the communist government of China.

Keigwin said he described the faxes to the Pima County detective and told him to call Tony Beard, the California State Senate’s Sergeant-at-Arms, to learn more about the investigation.

The San Mateo County Times reported that the California Highway Patrol eventually investigated the death threats received by Yee.

Keigwin said he does not believe Giffords and Yee have ever met and knows of no other connection between them. Yee and Giffords are Democrats.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/14/20110114arizona-shootings-california-fax-death-threats.html#ixzz1B3egwgwc

Peter Lemkin
01-18-2011, 09:55 AM
Happiness is a warm gun.....

Keith Millea
01-18-2011, 04:53 PM
Happiness is a warm gun.....


Thank God there's no magazine clip in that rifle,and some kind of barrel plug on it too.I mean,Sarah looks like she's on seconal and ripple wine.

Peter Lemkin
01-18-2011, 05:00 PM
Happiness is a warm gun.....


Thank God there's no magazine clip in that rifle,and some kind of barrel plug on it too.I mean,Sarah looks like she's on seconal and ripple wine.

But many want this 'person' to be the next President.....and she had a map of the USA with gunsight targets of those persons she wanted her supporters to 'remove' after 'reloading'. Her hands on a warm MIC and the big Button for the Nukes is a formula for Armageddon - which she and her ilk believe they must hasten. Insanity! But I fear music to the ears of some in the Secret Government.

Charles Drago
01-18-2011, 05:04 PM
The woman belongs in a penile institution.

You know ... with the long gun fascination ... always ready to strap one on ...

Oh, never mind.

Get me Ricky Gervais, pronto!

Peter Lemkin
01-18-2011, 06:16 PM
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, defending herself against criticism following the Tucson, Ariz., shootings, said Monday that she used the term "blood libel" to describe comments made by those who falsely tried to link conservatives to the assassination attempt against Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

Speaking out for the first time since she used the term in a video, Palin said on Fox's Sean Hannity show that the term referred to those "falsely accused of having blood on their hands."

Some Jewish groups strongly protested her use of the term, which historically was used to accuse Jews of using blood of Christians in religious rituals.

"I think the critics again were using anything that they could gather out of that statement," Palin said. "You can spin up anything out of anybody's statements that are released and use them against the person who is making the statement."

The New York Times reports:
She dismissed suggestions that she did not know the historical significance of the phrase.

"Blood libel obviously means being falsely accused of having blood on your hands and in this case," Ms. Palin said, "that's exactly what was going on."


Palin, a potential Republican presidential candidate in 2012, said the criticism won't stop her from speaking out and accusing Democrats of taking the country in the wrong direction.

"They can't make us sit down and shut up," she said.

Palin said her political action committee's use of crosshairs to identify targeted congressional districts for Republican pickups was not original and has been used by Democrats. As she spoke, a Democratic map was shown on the screen with circular targets of districts Democrats wanted to win.

The shooting on Jan. 8 killed six and wounded 13, including Giffords. Her district was among those in the Palin site's crosshairs.

Paul Rigby
01-18-2011, 10:45 PM
All change, all change...


Doctor: Giffords has '101 percent chance' of surviving
Congresswoman has moving both arms, breathing on her own

msnbc.com news services

Doctors initially thought the bullet entered the back of the skull and exited the front, but after reviewing X-rays and brain scans, two outside physicians brought in by Giffords' medical team now believe that Giffords was likely shot in the front of her head.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41018273/ns/health-health_care/

Updated EST 3: 43 PM: New York Times reports a witness saying: "the gunman approached her from behind, held a gun about a foot from her head and began firing. 'He must have got off 20 rounds,' he said."

http://www.salon.com/news/terrorism/index.html?story=/news/feature/2011/01/08/us_congresswoman_shot

A tired and trusted formula in operation? Stop me if any of this sounds familiar:

1) a decoy patsy blazing conspicuously from the front: the actual hit from the rear ("direct/positive")

2) early, vocalised suspicion of conspiracy from local law enforcement supplanted by Federal narrative ("lone gunman")

3) deployment of false witnesses (either in situ for the assassination attempt, or weren't there)

4) film contradicts earliest eyewitness statements & rapidly given primacy over eyewitness testimony - despite not being available

5) Press describes film not from own viewing, but based upon unnamed official sources

Plainly, nothing of the sort is going on in Arizona.


Videos show Tucson shooting in detail, sources say

By David Nakamura and Sari Horwitz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, January 18, 2011; 4:14 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/18/AR2011011804266.html?hpid=topnews

TUCSON - Safeway store surveillance videos clearly show Rep. Gabrielle Giffords being shot in the face above the left eye from about two to three feet away by accused gunman Jared Loughner, who moments later killed U.S. District Judge John Roll as he tried to take cover under a table, two sources who have viewed the footage said Tuesday.

Roll appears to be also trying to help Ron Barber, who was wounded in the attack, as Roll is seen on the video pushing Barber to the ground and getting on top of him, the sources said.

Authorities have recovered nearly two dozen surveillance videos from inside and outside the Tucson grocery store that was the site of the shooting rampage on Jan. 8 that killed six and wounded 13.

They believe Loughner entered the store bathroom to put on ear plugs minutes before the rampage. He is seen on video talking to a clerk while pointing toward his own ears.

"He's going, 'Can't you see I've got ear plugs on,'" said one source who viewed the video. The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

In addition to watching the videos, investigators also have interviewed a friend of Loughner's who told them that sometime between Christmas and New Year's Day, Loughner showed the friend his gun. When the friend asked why he needed a firearm, Loughner responded, "For protection around the house," the sources said.

The friend did not report the incident at the time. He told his father about the episode after hearing that Loughner had been arrested Jan. 8, and the father contacted law enforcement officials, the sources said.

The videos create a vivid picture of Loughner's movements through the Safeway store, which he entered sometime after 9:54 a.m., until he opened fire on the crowd at about 10:10 a.m., the sources said. The footage is now in possession of the FBI, which has declined to release it and is holding it as evidence for a potential trial.

In the clearest of the Safeway videos, Loughner is seen emerging from the south entrance, then looping around a table that was set up outside for Giffords's "Congress on Your Corner" event with constituents. He is "hurriedly walking," one source said, then approaches Giffords head on and shoots his first bullet into her face, where it struck her just above the left eye and exited out the back of her skull.

"He walks up, goes bang. It's very clear," one source said. "He is maybe 24 to 36 inches away. You can see her go straight down."

Loughner then turns to his left and begins firing on a crowd of people who were sitting in seats and standing in line for the event. They are not seen on this video, but the camera captures muzzle flashes from the gunfire, the source said.

The video then shows Loughner turning back to his right, where 65-year-old Ron Barber, Giffords's district director, and Roll are standing. He is seen shooting Barber, who reaches for his left shoulder, the sources said.

At that point, "Judge Roll starts to push Barber down on the ground and lay on top of Barber, and they start to scamper under the table, but Roll is on top," one source said. "At that point, you can see the suspect shoot Roll. Roll gets shot in the back, then he sort of appears halfway on the other side of the table. He starts to look over his right shoulder, and then he lays back down. It took out his aorta is what the autopsy showed."

That particular video cuts off at that point, the source said, though other videos from the store show Loughner continuing to fire until he has expended his entire magazine. At that point, he was tackled by bystanders.

Loughner shot 32 bullets, the sources said, one more than had been previously reported. A woman who had been at the scene found a spent casing in her purse a couple of days after the incident and reported it to police, the sources said. Though the extended magazine clip Loughner used holds only 31 bullets, investigators now believe he had an additional bullet loaded in the chamber when he began the attack.

The sources also said that investigators interviewed Loughner's parents, Randy and Amy, shortly after the attack and do not believe they had any knowledge that their son was planning it.

Though investigators were forced to break down the rear door of the Loughners' house while serving the warrant shortly after the attack, the parents told them they had barricaded the doors because of unwanted attention from reporters. The parents have cooperated with the investigation and have sought refuge away from their house because of the intense media presence there, the sources said.

Also, sources provided more details about photographs that Loughner dropped off at a Walgreens store and picked up the morning of the shooting. The pictures included one of the gun and others of him holding the gun and wearing a red G-string. The sources said that Walgreens policy is to make copies of suspicious-looking photos, which the store clerks did with Loughner's pictures.

He posted one of them on MySpace at about 4 a.m. the morning of the shooting with a message that began, "Goodbye friends," investigators have said. Walgreens turned over the photos to authorities after learning of the shooting. The photos are in the custody of the FBI, which has declined to release them publicly.

nakamurad@washpost.com horwitzs@washpost.com

Paul Rigby
01-18-2011, 11:20 PM
From the comments below this Youtube extract:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjHgA0rHpxQ


Where is the interview of the cab driver? You know the one that was originally the "Second Suspect" but later turned out to be the cab driver that drove Jared to the crime scene. We have seen all the other eye witnesses interviewed but not the cab driver. Have you even heard his full name? Does this seem strange that an army of highly competitive reporters have been dispatched to Tucson with the intent to uncover the real story but they have failed to interview the cab driver?
alltvisanimated 5 days ago

What is it about taxi-drivers and high-level assassinations in the US?

Paul Rigby
01-18-2011, 11:33 PM
Interesting to note how quickly the 9/11 calls - as opposed to any films of the shootings - were passed to the media. The following extract appears to date from January 9:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3fToJpyhqA

Within, the taxi-driver is exonerated - but not interviewed.

Ed Jewett
01-19-2011, 01:55 AM
:gossip:


Shortly after the exonerating interview, the cabdriver was hailed by a fellow who hired him to take him to Fort Kent, Maine.

:orly:

Jeffrey Orling
01-19-2011, 02:00 AM
No way! A cab from CO to ME?

Ed Jewett
01-19-2011, 04:24 AM
http://twelfthbough.blogspot.com/2011/01/loughner-affair.html


here's an interesting excerpt from this update posted Monday 1/15/11:


"... The people we hear most about are 1) Gabby Giffords, and 2) Christina Green. We heard only the minimum about Judge Roll for some reason. And now that Christina has been buried, we expect to hear every single detail of Gabby Giffords' recovery.

We noted that for the first several days, Susan Hileman was referred to in story after story simply as “the neighbor” who took Christina to the event. We thought that was odd.

Susan Hileman is a retired social worker. She graduated from Cornell’s College of Human Ecology.

According to a statement by Cornell, both Hilemans are alumni. Giffords also graduated from Cornell. Hileman maintains close ties to Cornell as chair and director of the Cornell Alumni Admissions Ambassador Network for the Cornell Club of Southern Arizona and as a member of the Human Ecology Alumni Association Board.


http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Jan11/Hileman.html - Second alumna wounded in Arizona shooting, by George Lowery, 1/10/11

Well so what?


http://www.cia-on-campus.org/social/behavior.html - CIA's Behavior Caper, by Patricia Greenfield, December 1977

According to the article, Allen Dulles, CIA director, asked Harold Wolff to set up the Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology at Cornell Medical College, in order to research techniques of brainwashing, interrogation and indoctrination.

Social engineering.

Hileman was educated in and retained close ties with a premier social engineering university program. It would be EXCEEDINGLY NAÏVE to think that someone of her stature, with close ties to the university and its alumni, has no idea that Cornell has worked closely with the CIA on social engineering for fifty years, roughly the same time period that she has been associated with Cornell. Nonetheless, there is also no evidence that Hileman had any preknowledge about the events in Arizona. It’s just very odd that she would be involved so centrally in this event. It’s odd that she would be the one to bring Christina Green to the event.

Christina: born on 9/11, symbolic, innocent, good, hopeful, religious, sacrificed.

Rituals and vigils.


We would like to see people spend a lot less time watching vigils on teevee and spend a lot more time READING and THINKING about all the things wrong with this story...."

David Guyatt
01-19-2011, 12:34 PM
That Ed, is intriguing.

Paul Rigby
01-19-2011, 09:21 PM
What the CCTV tapes are alleged to show:

http://abcnews.go.com/gma/video/jared-lee-loughner-seen-on-tape-12645742&tab=9482931&section=4765066

ABC news video: 01/19/2011


Dr Oz did a segment called “Tragedy in Tucson: A Dr Oz Special Report.” I am surprised at the topic because Doctor Oz’s shows are usually taped well in advance – clearly, this show was taped in the last 2-3 days since Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords’ tragic shooting last Saturday.

Dr Oz showed on a model exactly what happened. The bullet hit Gifford in the back of her head and went through the parts of the brain responsible for vision, speech, sensory functions, motor skills, and decision making. The bullet then exited her head right over her left eye.

Dr Oz: Tragedy in Tucson: Congresswoman Giffords & Dr LeMole

By DrOzFans on January 11, 2011

http://www.drozfans.com/dr-ozs-advice/dr-oz-tragedy-in-tucson-congresswoman-giffords-dr-lemole/


Dr. G. Michael Lemole Jr., the chief of neurosurgery, who operated on Ms. Giffords, said the bullet traveled through the left side of her brain “from back to front.” It did not cross from one side of the brain to the other, he said, nor did it pass through some critical areas that would further diminish her chances of recovery.

Evidence Points to Methodical Planning

By MARC LACEY
Published: January 9, 2011

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/us/10giffords.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=global-home

Biography of LeMole:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/735869


Daniel Hernandez had been U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' intern for five days when she was shot Saturday outside Tucson.

The junior at the University of Arizona was helping check people in at the "Congress on Your Corner" event when he heard gunfire. He was about 30 feet from the congresswoman. When the shots began, he ran toward them.
Then he saw Giffords. She had fallen and was lying contorted on the sidewalk. She was bleeding.

Using his hand, Hernandez applied pressure to the entry wound on her forehead. He pulled her into his lap, holding her upright against him so she wouldn't choke on her own blood. Giffords was conscious, but quiet.

Ron Barber, Giffords' district director, was next to her. Hernandez told a bystander how to apply pressure to one of Barber's wounds.

Barber told Hernandez, "Make sure you stay with Gabby. Make sure you help Gabby."

Hernandez used his hand to apply pressure until someone from inside Safeway brought him clean smocks from the meat department. He used them to apply pressure on the entrance wound, unaware there was an exit wound. He never let go of her.

He stayed with Giffords until paramedics arrived. They strapped her to a board and loaded her into an ambulance. Hernandez climbed in with her. On the ride to the hospital, he held her hand. She squeezed his back.

When they arrived at the hospital, Hernandez was soaked in blood. His family brought him clean clothes because the FBI took his for evidence.

He waited at the hospital while she went into surgery. He needed to tell police what had happened. He overheard people walking by talking about how Giffords had died. He also heard this on NPR. Later, he learned she had lived.

"I was ecstatic," he said. "She was one of the people I've looked up to. Knowing she was alive and still fighting was good news. She's definitely a fighter, whether for her own life, or standing up for people in southern Arizona."

The fact that Hernandez was nearby and able to react quickly probably saved Giffords' life, said state Rep. Matt Heinz, D-Tucson, and a hospital physician. He talked to Hernandez at the hospital after the shooting.

Eight hours after the shooting, Hernandez stood with Giffords' friends and staff and told them what had happened. The tall, strong 20-year-old said, "Of course you're afraid, you just kind of have to do what you can."

Daniel Hernandez, intern, stays by Gabrielle Giffords' side
UA student pulls her into lap, holds head to stop bleeding
by Jaimee Rose and Mary Jo Pitzl - Jan. 9, 2011 12:01 AM
The Arizona Republic

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109daniel-hernandez-gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting.html

Paul Rigby
01-19-2011, 09:43 PM
Michael Tomasky's Grauniad blog: Should we see the video?

The Arizona shootings were caught on store surveillance video. Should it be shown?


From today's NYT, I see that store surveillance video exists of the Arizona shootings:


The chief investigator for the sheriff's department here has for the first time publicly described the brief and gory video clip from a store security camera that shows a gunman not only shooting Representative Gabrielle Giffords just above the eyebrow at a range of three feet, but then using his 9-millimeter pistol to gun down others near her at a similarly close range ...

... The crucial video showing the shooting of Ms. Giffords, Judge Roll and Mr. Barber lasts only about five seconds before the gunman steps out of the frame.

At the start of the clip, it shows the "suspect coming from just outside of the frame of the video toward the parking lot," Mr. Kastigar said. "He goes around a table set up for part of that gathering and walks up to Gabby and shoots her directly in the forehead." It was not clear from this video, he said, if Ms. Giffords realized what was happening.

The gunman "then turns to his left and indiscriminately shoots at people sitting in chairs along the wall," he said. The video does not show those people being shot, he said. But quickly the gunman is back in the video, which shows him turning to his right and shooting Mr. Barber, who had been with Judge Roll "standing side by side with the table to their backs."

Should it be shown publicly? It's morbid, yes. There are the families to think about. Obviously, their consent would have to be secured. But maybe people should see what this kind of thing actually looks like in real life. Might have a salutary impact.

• Poll: Should the Arizona shooting video be shown?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2011/jan/19/arizona-shooting-video-question

Ed Jewett
01-19-2011, 09:48 PM
Be aware and alert for indications that these tapes were "tweaked" by authorities before release. While I have not done a precise reconstruction in any sense, it seems that there are some discrepancies with regard to the Judge, from where he was shot, when, etc. I have no answers, just questions.

Paul Rigby
01-19-2011, 11:39 PM
Be aware and alert for indications that these tapes were "tweaked" by authorities before release. While I have not done a precise reconstruction in any sense, it seems that there are some discrepancies with regard to the Judge, from where he was shot, when, etc. I have no answers, just questions.

There is footage of a newsman getting himself into a tizz after referring to "crossfire."

If I can remember where I found it, I'll put up the link.

In the meantime, does anyone have either ready access to the article at the end of this link - Forensic medical characteristics of glock 19 pistol-shot wounds: http://www.ist-world.org/ResultPublicationDetails.aspx?ResultPublicationId= cac7acb4058d475e8d1c20a6b38add05 - or an equivalent?

Paul Rigby
01-19-2011, 11:43 PM
From everyone's favourite website:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1300378

Exit wounds vs staying in the body


There is a debate going on in the caliber forum right now about whether it is more effective in stopping someone if the bullet goes all the way through or stops in the body. The "exiter proponents", as I call them, think that the exit wound will be massive and will cause bleed out faster.

Cowboy1964

Paul Rigby
01-19-2011, 11:53 PM
"His family brought him clean clothes because the FBI took his for evidence."

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109daniel-hernandez-gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting.html[/QUOTE]

Comparison of injuries caused by the pistols Tokarev, Makarov and Glock 19 at firing distances of 25, 50, 75 and 100 cm

Delia Lepika, Vitaly Vasilieva, Hardi Reisenbukb and Ülo Põldsamb

a) Department of Pathological Anatomy and Forensic Medicine, University of Tartu, Ravila 19, 50411 Tartu, Estonia

b) Forensic Service Centre of the Estonian Police, Pärnu mnt 328, 11611 Tallinn, Estonia
Received 5 March 2007; revised 15 August 2007; accepted 23 September 2007. Available online 19 November 2007.


On cloth targets, soot was more visible in the case of the TT up to firing distance of 50 cm and there were faint soot flecks on some synthetic cloths even at a distance of 75 cm. In the case of the PM and the Glock, the soot was seen on some synthetic cloths at a distance of 50 cm. The gunpowder particles were dispersed over the targets (TT and PM) or concentrated mostly around the bullet entrance hole (Glock 19). Up to a distance of 75 cm, the Glock 19 left the greatest and the PM the smallest number of gunpowder particles. At a distance of 100 cm, there were only some gunpowder particles on the cloths.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T6W-4R5G39C-3&_user=10&_coverDate=05%2F02%2F2008&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1613034938&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=9de625dd65dd0072befca1ec8f39ec90&searchtype=a

Ed Jewett
01-20-2011, 02:09 AM
Is there a doctor in the house? My best guess is that it has to do with the nature of the bullet (full metal jacket, etc.). Brain trauma with a shot with enters and exit is bad enough; if it stays in and bounces around, worse; if it is designed by manufacture or tampering to expand upon entry, the trauma will be worst. Reference the JFK history.

David Guyatt
01-20-2011, 10:21 AM
From what little I know Ed, I believe you are correct. It is more the type of ammunition used than the handgun firing it. As you've pointed out, if the round were hollow point (or a dum-dum type round), I would think the damage would be horrendous - probably catastrophic, as the round fragments into numerous pieces and then shrapnel's through the surrounding tissue.

If a full metal jacket round was used it would, in theory, pass straight through, and the damage would be less devastating, albeit not pleasant.

I don't pretend to be an expert, although I was an owner of a .45 Colt automatic handgun once upon a time. But I didn't shoot anyone. Obviously. Just paper targets.

What is needed is someone like Dr. W Hugh Thomas, the forensic doctor who is an expert on gunshot wounds. I know he was consulted for the British TV documentary on the murder of WPC Yvonne Fletcher outside the Libyan Embassy back in 1984. Her death was used as an excuse by the British government to allow Reagan to launch US F-111 bombers from British bases to bomb Gaddafi in Tripoli - which was an act of war. It was a CIA sanctioned hit.

So, if anyone knows where he lives he's the man.

Having said all that, as an impartial observer, this thread is becoming more and more interesting. Unless I'm getting confused in my dotage, it seems there are conflicting stories of front to back, and back to front directions the bullet was fired from. Very Yitzak Rabin!

Paul Rigby
01-20-2011, 07:25 PM
No hesitation from LeMole, no objection from Rhee - pay attention at 7 mins 30 secs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_c39nnsyGM


Reporter: "Where did the bullet hit in the brain?"

LeMole: "It went through on the left side, basically, from the back to the front..."

LeMole at 8 mins 5 secs:


"...one of the fractures was affecting the eye socket..."

LeMole's experience with gunshot wounds:


As a specialist in traumatic brain injuries, Dr. Lemole was well prepared for a critical headshot wound case such as Giffords', and the added element of working under the national spotlight has gone smoothly.

"Clinically, we do this on a regular basis," he said. "We're possibly among the top 10 busiest level 1 trauma centers in the nation, and it's not the first time we've dealt with this kind of problem.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/735869

Paul Rigby
01-20-2011, 10:46 PM
More Information on Brain Injury of Giffords'

http://bmartinmd.com/2011/01/more-info-on-giffords-brain-injury.html

From the comments section:


(Some news sources [eg, the LA Times] had falsely indicated that Giffords was shot in the back of the head.)

As we've seen, this is nonsense.

Ed Jewett
01-21-2011, 02:34 AM
"... Pima County Sheriff's Deputy Rich Kastigar told reporters that a rifle with an extended magazine was found at the scene of the shooting spree. ..."

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41067

David Guyatt
01-21-2011, 10:10 AM
One solution to this dilemma?

One shot from the front. Another from the rear. One with a Glock handgun to draw people's eyes. Another with a rifle to make sure the job was done (but botched)?

Just a thought...

Ed Jewett
01-21-2011, 07:10 PM
The way I am reading this, though I have few if any real hard crime-scene facts to back me up, is that the primary target was the Judge and a second shooter at long range delivered a shot to his torso with a dum-dum that took out his aorta. The Judge from the bench was looking at Obama's use of FEMA multi-state districts to effect Federal control over states (he's a fan of the 10th Amendment, the Judge), and was also into several cases involving the Second Amendment, as well as the right (?!) of the Federal Government to seize cash being transported. The role of the Federal government in assassinating those who oppose it is well-postulated even by Obama himself, to say nothing of other examples found here on this forum. In America, the legislation exists that they need merely to label these types who lobby for Constitutional rights as terrorists, and the Department of Homeland Security, along with the Southern Poverty Law Center and the intelligence fusion centers, has already done the labeling. The demonization continued in the aftermath of this mass murder.

Peter Lemkin
01-21-2011, 07:29 PM
The way I am reading this, though I have few if any real hard crime-scene facts to back me up, is that the primary target was the Judge and a second shooter at long range delivered a shot to his torso with a dum-dum that took out his aorta. The Judge from the bench was looking at Obama's use of FEMA multi-state districts to effect Federal control over states (he's a fan of the 10th Amendment, the Judge), and was also into several cases involving the Second Amendment, as well as the right (?!) of the Federal Government to seize cash being transported. The role of the Federal government in assassinating those who oppose it is well-postulated even by Obama himself, to say nothing of other examples found here on this forum. In America, the legislation exists that they need merely to label these types who lobby for Constitutional rights as terrorists, and the Department of Homeland Security, along with the Southern Poverty Law Center and the intelligence fusion centers, has already done the labeling. The demonization continued in the aftermath of this mass murder.

I must admit, I've not followed any forensic data on the Judge. If he was hit by a different type of bullet [can you substantiate that?!], then there are two shooters. Until convinced otherwise, I find myself focused on the Congresswoman as prime target and all others as 'collateral'. It is bad enough that way....without cause, I'd be careful not to spin it even more 'dire'....

Ed Jewett
01-21-2011, 10:42 PM
Peter, there has been a veritable mountain-ful of commentary, spin and coverage on this event and I do recall seeing something.... There is already a report in this thread from a sheriff that there was a long-barreled weapon involved, although early reports are notoriously incorrect (just as they are occasionally correct). I am also aware of a comment made of a video I did not watch that suggested that the Judge was involved in the early reactions of attempting to protect others but fell definitively to a wound in the aorta. Did he receive that wound from the Glock and then move to protect another? How long does massive internal trauma to the aorta take before it fells its victim? Not long... but perhaps long enough to allow some ambulatory movement. Don't know, Wasn't there. Post-mortem forensics and investigation can be telling, or can be faked. Police investigation can be critical, or it can be involved in a cover-up.

I will keep an eye out :captain:as I cycle through the coverage in the future.

If I find something pertinent, I will post it.

Lauren Johnson
01-21-2011, 11:07 PM
How long does massive internal trauma to the aorta take before it fells its victim? Not long... but perhaps long enough to allow some ambulatory movement.

A severe wound to the aorta would result in a sudden and dramatic loss of blood pressure. The brain would lose perfusion instantly resulting in a loss of consciousness in 5 to 10 seconds. (I used to work in a radiology department. If a patient in the cath lab went into a severe arrhythmia, loss of consciousness was in this range.) I gotta doubt your scenario.

Paul Rigby
01-22-2011, 12:14 AM
1) Keeps the CIA's hand-in, perhaps enables some experimentation, refinement, innovation etc in the basic techniques, not least in information management

2) Removes a candidate of some interest to Democratic elders

3) Changes within national and regional climateric (big boost for Obama, not sure of consequences in Arizona)

Any more suggest themselves?

Ed Jewett
01-22-2011, 12:45 AM
How long does massive internal trauma to the aorta take before it fells its victim? Not long... but perhaps long enough to allow some ambulatory movement.

A severe wound to the aorta would result in a sudden and dramatic loss of blood pressure. The brain would lose perfusion instantly resulting in a loss of consciousness in 5 to 10 seconds. (I used to work in a radiology department. If a patient in the cath lab went into a severe arrhythmia, loss of consciousness was in this range.) I gotta doubt your scenario.


Lauren, we're in agreement, sort of. (I was an EMT, deeply involved in emergency medicine and trauma management issues...)

If the Judge took a direct hit or even a glancing ripping blow to the aorta from a Glock round from Loughner, he'd have collapsed on the spot, not continued to toss himself nimbly into harm's way over another bystander.

If he took a shot that created a tiny tear in the aorta, it might have bought him some extra beats on a metronome, but little precious time otherwise because of the pressure from the LV output. The tear would have widened rapidly, if not instantaneously.

If, however, he was not hit instantly by a ropund from Loughner's Glock and dove to the ground in reaction to cover another and then took a hit in the back that did any damage to the aorta, he was not getting up.

Let's go the tapes, and the autopsy....

Ed Jewett
01-22-2011, 12:52 AM
1) Keeps the CIA's hand-in, perhaps enables some experimentation, refinement, innovation etc in the basic techniques, not least in information management

2) Removes a candidate of some interest to Democratic elders

3) Changes within national and regional climateric (big boost for Obama, not sure of consequences in Arizona)

Any more suggest themselves?


Given what was posted from elsewhere in the thread about the in-her-BMW death of Obama's legislative aide's wife, her functions, and George Soros' ties to energy investments (also of interest to Giffords), (and the availability of what PD Scott has so aptly called the condottieri (former elite military mercenaries), then we have to put a theory of a rogue privateer shooter on the list too. We are in a era of what John Robb [ http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/ ] would call open source warfare.


The Ashley Turton thread: https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?5939-Ex-Congressional-aide-found-dead-in-burning-car-near-W.H.-official-s-home

Ed Jewett
01-22-2011, 01:11 AM
Kilroy posted this a while back. ["Kilroy" is a friend of mine, aka Jimiray, one of the main people in the E Pluribus Unum discussion board whose "Lynx Lair" and other material is cross-posted here at DPF.]

"I heard mention of this earlier today on the radio but didn't catch much of it. When I got home I saw it on my yahoo home page and naturally clicked on it to read about it here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congresswoman_shot#mwpphu-container)

I always read the first few pages of comments when they have comments. This was the first (actually last) comment I read. I wanted to post it here just for the heck of it and to follow up on any information in it. Weird but interesting comment. It might be one of those that disappear so I thought I'd capture it before that happens.


Fbi Tipster 49 minutes ago Report Abuse


Removed by request.

http://209.85.12.237/30013/13/0/e5076479/e5076479.gif "



I don't place much gravitas to a tip in a comment block but, on the other hand, I just finished reading Cheri Seymour's "The Last Circle" which is replete with information linking governmental and other deep political entities to organized crime and their use of Mob hit men as their own, as admitted on video by Jimmy Hughes.

Ed Jewett
01-22-2011, 01:32 AM
Let's keep in mind, too, the following:

1) The incident is still not very old; elsewhere on this site, there are still people arguing about what happened 47 years ago.

2) Initial reports had the Congresswoman dead, and the shooter identified as an Afghan war veteran, neither of which turned out to be true.

3) The shooter has been identified incorrectly in a number of ways; all manner of mud has been tossed at the fellow. He is a Tea Party member, registered Democrat, an independent, well-read (?!), a practitioner of some form of weird occult thing with potting soil, orange peels and a human skull, had prior episodes of alcohol poisoning, was a member of the Congresswoman's synagogue, had reams of files from various places (some off-limits for at least a while) indicating many bona fide questions as to his state of mind, and now is identified as a 9/11 Truther by, of all people, Robert Parry, in The 9/11 'Truth' Parlor Game (January 15, 2011).

Ed Jewett
01-22-2011, 01:39 AM
Quote:
Another shooting victim, a federal judge named John Roll, had been placed under 24-hour security in 2009 after ruling in favor of illegal immigrants in a high-profile case. It's unclear why he was at the supermarket event or whether the gunman was targeting him or Giffords. But for almost a year now, Arizona politicians have been grappling with anti-immigration sentiments, inflamed by reports of crossborder violence. National media attention, with its attendant voices of hysteria, only added to the churn. Pundits spoke gravely about a wave of violence, born in Mexico and now flooding Arizona. Arizona's two most famous politicians fueled the fury. Republican Senator John McCain, facing an unexpected reelection challenge from the right, ran a campaign obsessed with crossborder crime. And GOP Governor Jan Brewer, who invited the national spotlight by championing strict anti-illegal immigrant legislation, talked of beheadings in the desert.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... z1AUKFA8lO (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2041408,00.html#ixzz1AUKFA8lO)

Ed Jewett
01-22-2011, 03:10 AM
Color emphasis by poster:

"...This is an internal memo obtained by Fox News put out by DHS compiling facts known so far about the case - new - shooter's mother worked for Pima board of supervisers and the suspected anti-Semitic motivation of the shooter.

MEMO:
"The investigation has been taken over by the FBI, and is being run through the Tucson Command Post. Here's what can be confirmed at this time (1800 hrs)... * Gabrielle Giffords Is in ICU.* Federal judge John Roll is deceased. He did rule on a 32 million dollar civil rights lawsuit in February, 2010. That ruling brought death threats to Roll and his family, and for a time he was given a protection detail.* 6 deaths attributed to the shooting. 19 total people hit by gunfire.* suspect’s mother works for the Pima County Board of Supervisors* the suspect has multiple arrests ... But no criminal record? Intervention by someone?* no direct connection - but strong suspicion is being directed at AmRen / American Renaissance. Suspect is possibly linked to this group. (through videos posted on his myspace and YouTube account.). The group’s ideology is anti government, anti immigration, anti ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government), anti Semitic. Gabrielle Gifford is the first Jewish female elected to such a high position in the US government. She was also opposite this group’s ideology when it came to immigration debate.* DHS have a list of names and dates of birth of all victims.* the ACTIC is still playing a major role in the investigation... Computer forensics is cleaning up the surveillance videos, and images from around the scene, and involved in the investigation - working together, was MCSO, DPS, Phoenix PD, ICE, and of course the FBI. It did just come in from the command post, that the federal judge was Not originally scheduled to attend the meeting, according to wife. She stated that he received a phone call about an hour before and was invited to attend. Wrong place - wrong time. For the planning side, there are impromptu memorials popping up all over the state, but the largest one is downtown phoenix, at the capital."
--------------------------

Read more: http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/latest-on-shooting-of-congresswoman-giffords-motivation-anti-semitic-and-she-was-the-target/#ixzz1BjJDecEt

THE DHS memo is also available at other sites.

Ed Jewett
01-22-2011, 03:23 AM
Videos show Tucson shooting in detail, sources say

By David Nakamura and Sari Horwitz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, January 18, 2011; 4:14 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/18/AR2011011804266.html?hpid=topnews

TUCSON - Safeway store surveillance videos clearly show Rep. Gabrielle Giffords being shot in the face above the left eye from about two to three feet away by accused gunman Jared Loughner, who moments later killed U.S. District Judge John Roll as he tried to take cover under a table, two sources who have viewed the footage said Tuesday.

Roll appears to be also trying to help Ron Barber, who was wounded in the attack, as Roll is seen on the video pushing Barber to the ground and getting on top of him, the sources said.

Authorities have recovered nearly two dozen surveillance videos from inside and outside the Tucson grocery store ....

Loughner showed the friend his gun. When the friend asked why he needed a firearm, Loughner responded, "For protection around the house," the sources said.

The friend did not report the incident at the time. He told his father about the episode after hearing that Loughner had been arrested Jan. 8, and the father contacted law enforcement officials, the sources said.

The videos create a vivid picture of Loughner's movements through the Safeway store, which he entered sometime after 9:54 a.m., until he opened fire on the crowd at about 10:10 a.m., the sources said. The footage is now in possession of the FBI, which has declined to release it and is holding it as evidence for a potential trial.

In the clearest of the Safeway videos, Loughner is seen emerging from the south entrance, then looping around a table that was set up outside for Giffords's "Congress on Your Corner" event with constituents. He is "hurriedly walking," one source said, then approaches Giffords head on and shoots his first bullet into her face, where it struck her just above the left eye and exited out the back of her skull.

"He walks up, goes bang. It's very clear," one source said. "He is maybe 24 to 36 inches away. You can see her go straight down."

Loughner then turns to his left and begins firing on a crowd of people who were sitting in seats and standing in line for the event. They are not seen on this video, but the camera captures muzzle flashes from the gunfire, the source said.

The video then shows Loughner turning back to his right, where 65-year-old Ron Barber, Giffords's district director, and Roll are standing. He is seen shooting Barber, who reaches for his left shoulder, the sources said.

At that point, "Judge Roll starts to push Barber down on the ground and lay on top of Barber, and they start to scamper under the table, but Roll is on top," one source said. "At that point, you can see the suspect shoot Roll. Roll gets shot in the back, then he sort of appears halfway on the other side of the table. He starts to look over his right shoulder, and then he lays back down. It took out his aorta is what the autopsy showed."

That particular video cuts off at that point .... SNIP

nakamurad@washpost.com horwitzs@washpost.com


See slide #3 of the timeline in graphic form:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/giffords-shooting-timeline/

The legal issues with regard to the Judge's presence:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/loughner_conviction_could_come_down_to_why_judge_w as_at_giffords_event.php

Duncan O'Finian's take: http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/2011/01/08/anatomy-of-an-assassination-attempt-gabrielle-giffords/

and

""Police arrest man near Thornydale and Magee Roads who is suspected of being connected to the shooting of Giffords and others. A third man is being sought."”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Oilygarch/jared-laughner-gabrielle-giffords-shooter_n_806229_73184003.html

Magda Hassan
01-22-2011, 04:02 AM
1752

Ed Jewett
01-22-2011, 04:11 AM
A YouTube audio of the dialogue on the Pima County Sheriff's radio net
http://statter911.com/2011/01/15/northwest-fire-district-firefighters-medics-talk-about-tucson-shooting-plus-sheriffs-department-radio-traffic/

The Timeline of EMS Response
http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/15/5843330-the-emergency-response-in-tucson-timeline-shows-ambulance-delays

As a former regional EMS regional administrator and recognized student/author/instructor in mass casualty incident response management, I don't see anything here out of the ordinary (but I invite your examination).

Ed Jewett
01-22-2011, 04:19 AM
A PDF of the Pima Comunity College Department of Public Safety reports on Jared Loughner ...

http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/loughner-community-college-runins.pdf

Ed Jewett
01-22-2011, 04:29 AM
The real assassination target in Tucson?

Commentary by Arizona sheriff

Meet Judge John Roll

"Widely respected." "A wise jurist."

The US news media heaped on the praise, but was purposefully vague about who this extraordinary judge was and what he actually did.

The early and oft-repeated media claim "the judge was just in the wrong place at the wrong time" doesn't ring true for several reasons, the most important being how the heck would they know and know so quickly?

Equally as suspicious, why did they feel the need to repeat this statement over and over again from the very beginning of the reports? Who inserted this into the news stream?

Judge Roll was an opponent of the Federal government overreaching its authority.

Specifically:

1. He ruled against federal imposition on states rights in gun law matters,

2. He ruled against elements of the Patriot Act (the part where federal "law enforcement agents" can seize your bank account without cause), and

3. He ruled against the newly announced FEMA Governor system in which the federal government plans to take the power of elected state Governors and put in in the hands of federally-appointed "regional" governors in the case of an "emergency."

It's a rare judge these days that stands up to this BS or shows any interest in the Constitution at all.

And he ended up dead in the parking lot of a Safeway Supermarket at the hands of a "lone nut" who local law enforcement allowed to run wild publicly making violent threats against employers and school administrators.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/1008.html

Four-minute 21-second video embedded there

Peter Lemkin
01-22-2011, 04:54 AM
PHOENIX (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/17/arizona-republicans-guns-college-campuses_n_809944.html) — Arizona has become a national leader in the gun rights movement in recent years as the state enacted law after law to protect the people's right to bear arms nearly anywhere, at anytime.

The shooting rampage that wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, a former legislative colleague, has done nothing to slow down the Legislature.

Gun rights bills were introduced in the days after the shootings last week, and more proposals are to come.

"I don't think it really changes anything," Republican state Sen. Ron Gould said of the mass shooting. "I don't see how gun control could have prevented that shooting unless you take guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens."

The shooting in Tucson brought new attention to the national gun control debate after authorities said the rampage was carried out by a man who couldn't get into the military because of his drug use and had repeated run-ins with police at his community college because of his bizarre mental behavior. Jared Loughner bought the 9 mm handgun legally at a Tucson gun store, and was also carrying extended magazines that hold 30 rounds of ammunition.

Arizona Republicans remain adamant that the shooting will not dissuade them from pushing their pro-gun agenda.

They want new laws allowing college and university faculty members to be able to carry concealed weapons on campus, an issue that gained attention after the 2007 shooting at Virginia Tech University. Only Utah has a law allowing concealed weapons on college campuses while 24 states have bans, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

"There are going to be some nervous Nellies, so to speak, but I think that it will be overcome," said John Wentling, a leader of the Arizona Citizens Defense League, a gun owners advocacy group active at the Capitol. "We still have an obligation to protect constitutional and civil rights."

Bills already introduced this year in Arizona in the Republican-controlled Legislature include barring landlords and homeowner groups from restricting the right to bear arms in self defense, and expanding the current law that allows gun owners to display a weapon in self defense. And Wentling said his group's priority bill, which he wouldn't discuss, hasn't been unveiled yet.
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Arizona's permissive gun laws and the state's heritage dating to the Wild West days sometimes jolts newcomers, particularly in Phoenix and other metro areas where most residents live. Heads turned in 2009 when a man openly carried a semiautomatic rifle to a Phoenix protest outside a speech by President Barack Obama.

At the Legislature, some female lawmakers with concealed weapons permits have acknowledged carrying guns in their purses despite a state law prohibiting guns in public buildings. Visitors to legislative buildings are supposed to place their weapons in lockboxes.

Last year, Arizona become the third state to make it legal for adults to carry a concealed weapon without getting training and a background check. In 2009, the big change was allowing armed people in bars and restaurants, if they're not drinking alcohol and the establishments haven't posted signs against it.

House Speaker Kirk Adams said last year's bill to legalize carrying concealed weapons without a permit wasn't a mistake.

"Arizona remains a place that is respectful and adamant about our Second Amendment rights, and I think the people of Arizona support that," said Adams, one of 61 Republicans making up two-thirds of the 90-member Legislature.

Former Gov. Janet Napolitano signed several bills supporting gun rights between 2003 and 2008, but the Democrat vetoed others. When Napolitano resigned to become U.S. Homeland Security secretary in 2009, Republican Jan Brewer stepped into the governor's office, and more laws protecting gun owners were made.

Brewer signed bills into law that let people keep guns in locked vehicles at parking lots of businesses that prohibit guns and barred local governments from prohibiting a person with a concealed weapon permit from having a gun in a park.

Gun control proponents hope that the Tucson shooting can create momentum in pushing back against the various pro-weapon bills in the Legislature. They want to pass more regulation of gun shows while prohibiting sales of extended magazines like the one authorities say the suspected shooter used.

Still, Sen. Steve Gallardo, a Phoenix Democrat, acknowledges that such proposals have little to no chances of ever passing, but said "we have to start the education. I would hope that many members of the Legislature see it as a wake-up call."

Sen. Jack Harper, a Republican sponsoring the campus-carry measures, said he didn't want to be seen as trying to take advantage of the Tucson tragedy by citing it as reason to support his legislation, but he said it was vital, given the deadly shootings on university campuses and the Arizona Board of Regents' policy banning guns. The board oversees the state's schools.

"University professors are tired of feeling like sitting ducks," Harper said.

Ed Jewett
01-22-2011, 05:57 PM
At the brand-new "Cryptogon.net" (described here: http://cryptogon.com/?p=20070 ), there are several stories of interest:

to investigate -- longstanding connections: CIA & Evergreen Air (bases: Marana, AZ & McMinnville, OR) (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1319&bih=656&q=evergreen+cia&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=)

recently listed, current CIA jobs in Marana, AZ (Loughner's hometown) include --- "Operational Psychologist", Paramilitary Operations Officer, Undergraduate Internship Program, etc. --- http://nationaljobs.washingtonpost.com/a/all-jobs/list/q-CIA/l-Marana,+AZ (http://cryptogon.net/recent%20listings%20for%20current%20CIA%20jobs%20i n%20Marana,%20AZ%20%28Loughner)

Forum Links 9-year old's Chaperone To MK-Ultra Project (http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2011/01/forum-links-9-year-olds-chaperone-to-mk.html)

Ed Jewett
01-22-2011, 06:01 PM
Friday, January 14, 2011

Forum Links 9-year old's Chaperone To MK-Ultra Project


One would think it not just tragic, but a little too odd that a child who was born on 9/11 was killed in the shooting in Arizona. This seems almost designed to pull on the heartstrings of Americans. But when I noticed that it was not the parents who brought her to the shooting, this added to my suspicions. In fact a web forum (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1321319/pg9) has already made the astounding link that the neighbor who was a chaperone for the child that day (http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/north_bay&id=7892477&rss=rss-ie8slices-kgo-article-7892477), and whose idea it was to bring her to the event, (http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/health/recovering-victim-flashbacks-1-11-2011) can be directly linked to Cornell's College of Human Ecology where she was a graduate in '73. (http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Jan11/Hileman.html) It can only be assumed that the College of Human Ecology at Cornell has some relationship to the Human Ecology Fund or The Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology at Cornell which is known as a CIA founded MK-Ultra (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/marks9.htm) (human behavior studies, mind control) related institution.

Quoting from one source: (http://www.cia-on-campus.org/social/behavior.html)

The CIA's key instrument for sponsoring basic research in psychology, sociology and anthropology in the decade from the mid-1950s to the mid-1960s was the Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology, later called the Human Ecology Fund. Although accounts vary, according to Lawrence Hinkle, one of the founders of the Society and a professor at Cornell Medical Center, the origins of Human Ecology lie in a friendship between Allen Dulles and Harold Wolff, a prominent Cornell neuropsychiatrist who had cared for Dulles' son following a war injury. The return of American prisoners of war who had served in Korea evoked government and popular concern about the possible existence of "brainwashing."

...



In addition, the neighbor's name, Susan Hileman, is also included in the acknowledgements section of a paper (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2697443/) on Quality of Early Care and Childhood Trauma: A Prospective Study of Developmental Pathways to Dissociation

Dissociation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociation) is highly related to mind control.

See Also: Ted And Jared. (http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2011/01/ted-and-jared.html)
Posted by George at 9:10 AM (http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2011/01/forum-links-9-year-olds-chaperone-to-mk.html)

http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2011/01/forum-links-9-year-olds-chaperone-to-mk.html

Ed Jewett
01-22-2011, 06:06 PM
Wednesday, January 12, 2011

Ted And Jared


As Time magazine (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2041943,00.html) states, Judy Clarke, the lawyer brought from out of town to defend Jared Lee Loughner, was also the defense lawyer for other admitted/suspected mind contolled notables such as Ted Kasczynski and Timothy McVeigh.

Ted Kasczynski was a victim of CIA linked mind control experiments at Harvard (http://www.unabombers.com/MindControl.htm)by Dr. Henry Murray.

Timothy McVeigh was visited 17 times (http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/03-18-04/discussion.cgi.18.html) from CIA mind control expert, Dr. Louis Jolyn West.

Of course this fits nicely with Jared Lee Loughner's video material (http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/u/2/PnNx0WThoF0) which includes chain-of-command diagrams, an "internal image" (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mindcon02.htm)often seen by victims/survivors of mind control.

The occult shrine (http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2011/01/gabrielle-giffords-shooting-frightening.html)in Loughner's yard is yet another evidence pointing in the same direction, as occult ritual is strongly connected to mind control.

That Jared wrote damning messages (http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/jared-loughner-update-disturbing-notes-found-suspected-gunman-s-safe-video) such as "I planned ahead," "My assassination," and "Giffords," is similar to the case of Sirhan Sirhan (http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/conspiracy/reststory/fbirye.html) where notes were found saying "RFK MUST BE ASSASSINATED ASSASSINATED ASSASSINATED ASSASSINATED !"

Finally Jared's interest (http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/u/1/nHoaZaLbqB4)in sleepwalking, "conscious dreaming" or "conscience dreaming" as he calls it, as well as his claims of lack of sleep, as well as his recent change of character, (http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message?page=2)all point to some kind of mental programming which could have been attempted on him, and apparently successful.
Posted by George at 8:53 AM (http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2011/01/ted-and-jared.html)

Paul Rigby
01-22-2011, 06:08 PM
Friday, January 14, 2011

Forum Links 9-year old's Chaperone To MK-Ultra Project


One would think it not just tragic, but a little too odd that a child who was born on 9/11 was killed in the shooting in Arizona. This seems almost designed to pull on the heartstrings of Americans. But when I noticed that it was not the parents who brought her to the shooting, this added to my suspicions.

Keep up the good work, Ed, this is all excellent stuff. Much appreciated.

Paul

Ed Jewett
01-22-2011, 06:12 PM
Pinal Airpark also hosts the U.S. Special Operations Command (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Special_Operations_Command)'s Parachute Training and Testing Facility.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinal_Airpark#cite_note-1)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinal_Airpark

Keith Millea
01-22-2011, 06:14 PM
to investigate -- longstanding connections: CIA & Evergreen Air (bases: Marana, AZ & McMinnville, OR) (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1319&bih=656&q=evergreen+cia&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=)



If I remember correctly,Evergreen was involved in not only helicopter logging here,but at one time was the company used for Oregons marijuana eradication program. :canabis:

Jan Klimkowski
01-22-2011, 06:29 PM
In addition, the neighbor's name, Susan Hileman, is also included in the acknowledgements section of a paper (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2697443/) on Quality of Early Care and Childhood Trauma: A Prospective Study of Developmental Pathways to Dissociation

Dissociation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociation) is highly related to mind control.

See Also: Ted And Jared. (http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2011/01/ted-and-jared.html)
Posted by George at 9:10 AM (http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2011/01/forum-links-9-year-olds-chaperone-to-mk.html)

http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2011/01/forum-links-9-year-olds-chaperone-to-mk.html

The study of dissociation is most certainly associated with MK-ULTRA and I've written about it extinsively here at DPF.

The Human Ecology Fund link is also intriguing.

A word of caution though. You don't need MK-ULTRA programming to take a 9-year-child on a trip to the local mall to see a politician meeting her constituents.

The appointment of Ted Kasczynski and Timothy McVeigh's lawyer, Judy Clarke, to defend Loughner is in my judgement highly signficant and resonant.

There will almost certainly be psychiatric assessments of Loughner. The spookocracy's favourite visiting shrink was Jolly West.

The identity, history and specialisms of the shrink or shrinks who visit Loughner in prison should be examined extremely carefully.

Peter Lemkin
01-23-2011, 05:39 PM
In addition, the neighbor's name, Susan Hileman, is also included in the acknowledgements section of a paper (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2697443/) on Quality of Early Care and Childhood Trauma: A Prospective Study of Developmental Pathways to Dissociation

Dissociation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociation) is highly related to mind control.

See Also: Ted And Jared. (http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2011/01/ted-and-jared.html)
Posted by George at 9:10 AM (http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2011/01/forum-links-9-year-olds-chaperone-to-mk.html)

http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2011/01/forum-links-9-year-olds-chaperone-to-mk.html

The study of dissociation is most certainly associated with MK-ULTRA and I've written about it extinsively here at DPF.

The Human Ecology Fund link is also intriguing.

A word of caution though. You don't need MK-ULTRA programming to take a 9-year-child on a trip to the local mall to see a politician meeting her constituents.

The appointment of Ted Kasczynski and Timothy McVeigh's lawyer, Judy Clarke, to defend Loughner is in my judgement highly signficant and resonant.

There will almost certainly be psychiatric assessments of Loughner. The spookocracy's favourite visiting shrink was Jolly West.

The identity, history and specialisms of the shrink or shrinks who visit Loughner in prison should be examined extremely carefully.

I'm happy to report that 'Jolly' is as dead as the elephant he killed with an overdose of LSD-25.....but there are others he trained and worked with......

NB - posted on the EF in detail and made to 'disappear' was a long explication of how I had one L.A. friend of mine [as my cut-out'] interview Dr. Joland West at his UCLA office on a cover-ruse; but really about Sirhan-Sirhan; Jack Ruby, MK/XXXX and some other little 'incidents' of history. My cut-out was very, VERY knowlegable, but less visible than I - and seemed like a Santa Monica eccentric, to defuse his questions. Sadly, my good friend Jack A. died mysteriously of unspecified 'heart problems' only a few weeks after his long interview with West. I was never able to convince myself it was a 'coincidence' and to this day feel some guilt.....

David Guyatt
01-23-2011, 06:40 PM
That Jared wrote damning messages (http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/jared-loughner-update-disturbing-notes-found-suspected-gunman-s-safe-video) such as "I planned ahead," "My assassination," and "Giffords," is similar to the case of Sirhan Sirhan (http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/conspiracy/reststory/fbirye.html) where notes were found saying "RFK MUST BE ASSASSINATED ASSASSINATED ASSASSINATED ASSASSINATED !"


Sirhan-Sirhan also had a deep interest in matters occult and had visited Pasadena - home of the Crowleyian O T O Agape lodge that was run by satanist Jack Parsons of NASA JPL fame.

Seems to me to be an emerging M O here.

David Guyatt
01-23-2011, 06:54 PM
to investigate -- longstanding connections: CIA & Evergreen Air (bases: Marana, AZ & McMinnville, OR) (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1319&bih=656&q=evergreen+cia&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=)



If I remember correctly,Evergreen was involved in not only helicopter logging here,but at one time was the company used for Oregons marijuana eradication program. :canabis:

Former CIA pilot, Tosh Plumley - who is a forum member - used to fly for Evergreen. In fact, I believe the use of the name "Evergreen" appears in a number of front companies that connect to Langley.

Anthony Thorne
01-24-2011, 11:34 AM
EP Heidner, the likely pseudonymous author who drafted the epic ‘September 11 Commission Report’ analysis that I posted a link to some months back, has briefly commented on the Gifford shooting on his blog. (Heidner’s articles are infrequent - this is his first blog posting in 17 months). The link to the original source is right below but I’ve reprinted his entire piece here for reference. Food for thought and I suspect the author’s anonymity is not unrelated to his seemingly deep and close-hand knowledge of the world of intel and dirty tricks. - - -

http://epheidner.blogspot.com/2011/01/congresswoman-giffords-assassination.html#comments

Congresswoman Gifford's Assassination Attempt May Not Be What It Appears

The appearance of FBI Director Robert Mueller at the Arizona assassination site might be a puzzle to some. Mueller’s resume is such that whenever the enterprise wants to cover up an ugly situation, they put Bob in charge of the investigation – and Bob is the best clean-up guy around. (BCCI CIA banking investigation, the Noriega-CIA connections, Iran-Contra investigation which cleared the Bush Enterprise of any involvement, 9-11 Investigation, which cleared the Enterprise of its involvement).(1)

There is no way to put this gently. Mueller is there to ensure that Enterprise ties to this young shooter are not exposed. They will be found. Researchers need to be vigilant as shortly after these pieces of evidence are uncovered, they will disappear into the “classified information” lock box. The Enterprise requires a major media distraction from any investigation into the discovery of the body of Air Force Secretary John Wheeler the III’ in a dumpster last week.(2) John Wheeler’s assassination was bungled by someone who allowed the body to be discovered, and the Arizona media drama has been put in play as a distraction, nothing more. The assassinations in Arizona are meaningless other than as a distraction for the bigger cover-up.

“Wheeler was the assistant to the Secretary of the Air Force in the George W. Bush Administration. It was the Secretary of the Air Force who discovered that Richard Cheney had set up an alternative chain of command to the nuclear weapons wing of the AF. In the process, six minutemen missiles armed with nuclear warheads were secretly transported from Minot AFB to Barksdale AFB. The later is the chief staging base for the Middle East war. The alarm system for the weapons was deactivated for the transport, something that not even the base commander could authorize. The orders had to have come from above. Many point to Cheney. Before the warheads could be flown via B-52 to the Iraq/Iran theater, the Secretary of the Air Force ordered the stand-down of all B-52 flights. When he discovered the alternative chain of command to Cheney, he fired all military personnel who were involved. Cheney was said to have been livid. The Secretary ordered an investigation of what the AF press release called an oversight, and 70 enlisted men and 5 officers were removed from the Minot nuclear system. At the same time, people involved began to die mysteriously. Wheeler is only the latest casualty.” (3) That said, within weeks and months of the aborted theft being discovered in 2007, at least 4 of the involved crewmembers died, and it is reported now that 6-8 may be dead.

Notes
1. His previous roles documented at September 11 Commission Report: Final Report of the Investigation Into the Muders of Nick Berg, Eugene Armstrong and Jack Hensley, July 2006, EP Heidner, po 301
2. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40893781/ns/us_news/, Former Reagan, Bush official killed, police say
Body of John Wheeler was found as garbage truck emptied contents at landfill, 1/3/2011
3. http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/2011/01/oh-it-was-john-p-wheeler-iii-who-was.html

David Guyatt
01-24-2011, 12:05 PM
EP Heidner, the likely pseudonymous author who drafted the epic ‘September 11 Commission Report’ analysis that I posted a link to some months back, has briefly commented on the Gifford shooting on his blog. (Heidner’s articles are infrequent - this is his first blog posting in 17 months). The link to the original source is right below but I’ve reprinted his entire piece here for reference. Food for thought and I suspect the author’s anonymity is not unrelated to his seemingly deep and close-hand knowledge of the world of intel and dirty tricks. - - -

http://epheidner.blogspot.com/2011/01/congresswoman-giffords-assassination.html#comments

Congresswoman Gifford's Assassination Attempt May Not Be What It Appears

The appearance of FBI Director Robert Mueller at the Arizona assassination site might be a puzzle to some. Mueller’s resume is such that whenever the enterprise wants to cover up an ugly situation, they put Bob in charge of the investigation – and Bob is the best clean-up guy around. (BCCI CIA banking investigation, the Noriega-CIA connections, Iran-Contra investigation which cleared the Bush Enterprise of any involvement, 9-11 Investigation, which cleared the Enterprise of its involvement).(1)

There is no way to put this gently. Mueller is there to ensure that Enterprise ties to this young shooter are not exposed. They will be found. Researchers need to be vigilant as shortly after these pieces of evidence are uncovered, they will disappear into the “classified information” lock box. The Enterprise requires a major media distraction from any investigation into the discovery of the body of Air Force Secretary John Wheeler the III’ in a dumpster last week.(2) John Wheeler’s assassination was bungled by someone who allowed the body to be discovered, and the Arizona media drama has been put in play as a distraction, nothing more. The assassinations in Arizona are meaningless other than as a distraction for the bigger cover-up.

“Wheeler was the assistant to the Secretary of the Air Force in the George W. Bush Administration. It was the Secretary of the Air Force who discovered that Richard Cheney had set up an alternative chain of command to the nuclear weapons wing of the AF. In the process, six minutemen missiles armed with nuclear warheads were secretly transported from Minot AFB to Barksdale AFB. The later is the chief staging base for the Middle East war. The alarm system for the weapons was deactivated for the transport, something that not even the base commander could authorize. The orders had to have come from above. Many point to Cheney. Before the warheads could be flown via B-52 to the Iraq/Iran theater, the Secretary of the Air Force ordered the stand-down of all B-52 flights. When he discovered the alternative chain of command to Cheney, he fired all military personnel who were involved. Cheney was said to have been livid. The Secretary ordered an investigation of what the AF press release called an oversight, and 70 enlisted men and 5 officers were removed from the Minot nuclear system. At the same time, people involved began to die mysteriously. Wheeler is only the latest casualty.” (3) That said, within weeks and months of the aborted theft being discovered in 2007, at least 4 of the involved crewmembers died, and it is reported now that 6-8 may be dead.

Notes
1. His previous roles documented at September 11 Commission Report: Final Report of the Investigation Into the Muders of Nick Berg, Eugene Armstrong and Jack Hensley, July 2006, EP Heidner, po 301
2. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40893781/ns/us_news/, Former Reagan, Bush official killed, police say
Body of John Wheeler was found as garbage truck emptied contents at landfill, 1/3/2011
3. http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/2011/01/oh-it-was-john-p-wheeler-iii-who-was.html

That really is food for thought Anthony.

It doesn't detract from the growing hypothesis that Loughner may have mind-controlled, but the "bigger picture" it affords is really intriguing.

The implication of the nuclear weapons being made available to the middle east theatre is that they would be used somewhere, but where? The question then arises who was to be blamed for such an atrocity? Iran?

And is nuclear armageddon a strategy now in play?

Peter Lemkin
01-24-2011, 12:30 PM
Looks to me like whatever they had in mind [sic] would make Dallas, Iran-Contra, Watergate, even 911 look like trivial events in comparison.....glad it was thwarted; but only time before they try it or something like it [or worse] again soon. Humanity seems to be on [unbeknown to most] right on the edge of existence - on several fronts. Have a nice day~:wavey:

Ed Jewett
01-25-2011, 07:21 AM
9/11 Truth Is No "Parlor Game" (http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2011/01/911-truth-is-no-parlor-game.html) 21 Jan 2011 By Jim Fetzer A disturbing article, "The 9/11 'Truth' Parlor Game (http://consortiumnews.com/2011/011511.html)" (15 January 2011), by Robert Parry, advances the indefensible theory that the shooting of Representative Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) was affected by the shooter's interest in 9/11 truth. While there are good reasons to suspect that the political climate nurtured by the right wing may have influenced him (by targeting a series of representatives using the cross-hairs of a telescopic site, for example), there is no reason to believe than anyone associated with the 9/11 truth movement has targeted any members of Congress--other than attempting to expose them to the evidence that research has unearthed, which has shown that virtually every claim the government has made about 9/11 is provably false.

Ed Jewett
01-25-2011, 07:56 AM
... The implication of the nuclear weapons being made available to the middle east theatre is that they would be used somewhere, but where? The question then arises who was to be blamed for such an atrocity? Iran?

And is nuclear armageddon a strategy now in play?


Nuclear armageddon has been in play for a long time. It's just a question of being able to find justification for firing first, at the right time. The first-strike mentality has been present inside the US for a long time; as a child, I remember the B-58 Hustler's frolicking at 1,000 feet on the western slope of Mt. Greylock along the Taconic ridge. I wrote a "thesis" back in 2007 [ http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php?automodule=blog&blogid=57&&st=310# ] that this has been a wet dream of the neo-con movement aided in part by the Israeli war-gaming mentalities. We've seen it historically with JFK and the Unspeakable. It's updated now by missile shields, Star Wars technologies, the launching of the X-37B and its Chinese counterpart, and more.

The issue around the loose nuke is two-fold: a) It is held for a false-flag attack inside the US or perhaps elsewhere? b) Doesn't high-end scientific assay allow some to determine the source of that nuclear weapon after its detonation? And, if so, how will such sampling be prevented?

The big players in this arena are the US, Russia and China; US will hope to find the right moment with a range of technologies such as shields and supremely-fast fighters and bombers, to hit a weak and incapable Russia and/or China. Note the recent UK financial issues in keeping nuclear subs at sea covered temporarily by French assistance. The small players are such states as Pakistan and India, with Pakistani nukes arguably in an insecure state and "local" tempers in an uproar. Add in Israeli tinkering, Iran, Israeli nuclear capabilities, Star Wars directed energy weaponry and shake (don't stir), keeping in mind the old games of "Diplomacy", "Shogun" and treachery in allegiances. Note also the upgraded presence of underground bunkers in both the US and China. Tie this in with the articles on "continuity of government" by Peter Dale Scott. Season with the recently-posted projection of the need for more nuclear subs of both attack and boomer variety.

Ed Jewett
01-26-2011, 02:29 AM
to investigate -- longstanding connections: CIA & Evergreen Air (bases: Marana, AZ & McMinnville, OR) (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1319&bih=656&q=evergreen+cia&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=)



If I remember correctly,Evergreen was involved in not only helicopter logging here,but at one time was the company used for Oregons marijuana eradication program. :canabis:

Former CIA pilot, Tosh Plumley - who is a forum member - used to fly for Evergreen. In fact, I believe the use of the name "Evergreen" appears in a number of front companies that connect to Langley.


Is it the same Evergreen mentioned in my recent post about chemtrails?

Magda Hassan
01-26-2011, 02:38 AM
Yes.:smoking:

Ed Jewett
01-26-2011, 02:52 AM
Yes.:smoking:


What are they eradicating now?

Magda Hassan
01-26-2011, 04:13 AM
Hey, as long as they pay who cares!

Becky Williams
01-28-2011, 01:21 AM
The first reports of this shooting said that Giffords was dead. Enters from left stage is a 20 year old volunteer staffer who just happened to be gifted in triage from a simple high school course. He sat down and without fear of further injury lifted Giffords into a semi-sitting position and he stayed clued to her side all the way to the ER. He alone knew from a distance she was still alive. This gay Mexican was also honored at the memorial. See, gays and Mexicans are the good guys and will save lives. Do ask and do tell and no registering required. How many birds can these people kill with one stone? Gun control is next along with taking what the government dishes out and being considered a ‘national security threat’ if you speak out. 1984????

The next we hear she died in surgery but again even the doctors or reporters had it all wrong and she was alive but in serious condition. A serious condition she has made unbelievable progress in a very short time. First the doctors reported for a few days she was shot in the back of the head and then changed it later to the front?! Good god, this whole story is absurd and the keystone cops would love this script.

Why did she subscribe to only two other youtuber sites and one of them was Jared Loughner?

Why would a Federal Judge stop by to support any politician when that is forbidden. Federal Judges are to be un-biased and could never attend such an event appearing to show favoritism. It was first reported he was there because he had received a call just prior to the event inviting him to stop by. The whole thing stinks. As far as I can detect he was one of the few Constutional Judges in the nation that would stand up to the crooked Washington mafia. I believe he was killed elsewhere and in the mayhem of ambulances his arrived in the midst of the others. This reeks of Vince Foster all over again.


Was a child sacrificed to further enrage the public to damn the right to carry arms? Was the fact this child was born on 9/11 another ploy to invoke rage and fear! I am in no means making light of this horrific event but we have been deceived many times and many innocent lives were used in those deceptions.

Bernice Moore
08-02-2011, 12:06 AM
Gabrielle Giffords Returns To Congress To Vote On Debt Ceiling Deal

http://url2it.com/ggfs