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Helen Reyes
05-11-2011, 02:14 PM
Feral House is re-releasing Kenn Thomas's Maury Island UFO book under the new title JFK & UFO: Military-Industrial Conspiracy and Cover-Up from Maury Island to Dallas.

Thomas's is the only book ever written about Fred Lee Crisman, a witness or at least participant in the Maury Island UFO incident in the Year of Destiny, 1947, across Puget Sound from Tacoma, Washington, and someone Jim Garrison believed was a major part of the conspiracy to murder JFK.

This is a thoroughly updated edition by Thomas and includes new information on:

-What Kenneth Arnold came to believe about UFOs.

-Ray Palmer and the original “moon hoax.”

-The obsfucated analysis of Maury Island by Ed Ruppelt, author of “The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects.”

-The Nazi connection.

-Close-up on Guy Banister, an FBI agent inked to both Maury Island and JFK. Oswald worked for him as part of his “Fair Play For Cuba” cover.

-Fred Crisman as right wing radio talk show host before his time, with material from heretofore unseen newsletter from The Institute for American Democracy.

-From Danger Man to The Invaders: the changing image of the TV spy. (Crisman felt The Invaders was based on his life.)

-Gerald Heard and the missing Maury Island chapter.

Available in coming days, see
http://feralhouse.com/jfk-ufo/
for more info and release date.

Peter Lemkin
05-11-2011, 04:34 PM
Feral House is re-releasing Kenn Thomas's Maury Island UFO book under the new title JFK & UFO: Military-Industrial Conspiracy and Cover-Up from Maury Island to Dallas.

Thomas's is the only book ever written about Fred Lee Crisman, a witness or at least participant in the Maury Island UFO incident in the Year of Destiny, 1947, across Puget Sound from Tacoma, Washington, and someone Jim Garrison believed was a major part of the conspiracy to murder JFK.

This is a thoroughly updated edition by Thomas and includes new information on:

-What Kenneth Arnold came to believe about UFOs.

-Ray Palmer and the original “moon hoax.”

-The obsfucated analysis of Maury Island by Ed Ruppelt, author of “The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects.”

-The Nazi connection.

-Close-up on Guy Banister, an FBI agent inked to both Maury Island and JFK. Oswald worked for him as part of his “Fair Play For Cuba” cover.

-Fred Crisman as right wing radio talk show host before his time, with material from heretofore unseen newsletter from The Institute for American Democracy.

-From Danger Man to The Invaders: the changing image of the TV spy. (Crisman felt The Invaders was based on his life.)

-Gerald Heard and the missing Maury Island chapter.

Available in coming days, see
http://feralhouse.com/jfk-ufo/
for more info and release date.

While there were and are UFO's and while the JFK assassination was a false-flag op, there is no connection between the two...and it has been hyped by the heirs to the assassination to discredit the truth of what happened. Sorry, I find any mention of books like this a knowing or naive attack on the truth of Dallas. Crisman may very well have played a minor role in the cover up of both...but NO [real] connection between the two -- other than spooks and cut outs are used for many different ops! I place this along side of the 'driver' shot JFK.....as disinfo.

Jan Klimkowski
05-11-2011, 05:33 PM
Some may be interested in the dedicated DPF Fred Lee Crisman (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?1107-Fred-Lee-Crisman&highlight=crisman)thread.

Magda Hassan
05-12-2011, 01:42 AM
Yes, unrelated but it is fascinating that the same people get around in the oddest events and the odds of this are.....?

Jack White
05-12-2011, 03:28 AM
Wilderness of mirrors.

Seamus Coogan
05-12-2011, 04:27 PM
Yes, unrelated but it is fascinating that the same people get around in the oddest events and the odds of this are.....?

Yes most definitely. Generally speaking Magda the UFO crowd don't really have a clue. If someone is say linked to the Kennedy assassination or 9/11 they are all over them like a rash. People like Novel swan around and Lear. Yeah, I agree theres something up with that for sure! For every good researcher there's numerous other kooks dribbling shit! I mean we have some problems down here on earth but god almighty lol.

Ed Jewett
05-12-2011, 07:37 PM
See the book Mirage men: an adventure into paranoia, espionage, psychological warfare and UFO’s, Mark Pilkington, SkyHorse Publishing (Herman Graf books), New York 2010. (Of interest especially as it dovetails into Marrs’ work on NASA et al)

[I have read this library book, took extensive notes, and photocopied key pages.
I will post more when I have it transcribed.]


See also a jpg of Kennedy’s executive order on space
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9QG1VqPRwWI/TbsmUdYXwwI/AAAAAAAABmY/Wpd2tC9ofcw/s1600/article-1378284-0BB00D3600000578-629_468x594.jpg

The Rise of the Fourth Reich, Jim Marrs, HarperCollins, 2008 (personal copy, annotated, on shelf)(not yet completed in its reading)

Seamus Coogan
05-12-2011, 09:21 PM
See the book Mirage men: an adventure into paranoia, espionage, psychological warfare and UFO’s, Mark Pilkington, SkyHorse Publishing (Herman Graf books), New York 2010. (Of interest especially as it dovetails into Marrs’ work on NASA et al)

[I have read this library book, took extensive notes, and photocopied key pages.
I will post more when I have it transcribed.]

Please Ed if you could Larry Hancock has told me all about and says its very good.


See also a jpg of Kennedy’s executive order on space
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9QG1VqPRwWI/TbsmUdYXwwI/AAAAAAAABmY/Wpd2tC9ofcw/s1600/article-1378284-0BB00D3600000578-629_468x594.jpg

The Rise of the Fourth Reich, Jim Marrs, HarperCollins, 2008 (personal copy, annotated, on shelf)(not yet completed in its reading)

I really can't believe JM fell for this bogus Timothy S Cooper:fullofit: Cooper under pressure for a source disowned the documents in 2009. Furthermore, that is not Colby's hand writing and why redact an entire document but keep a scrawl with Angleton and Colby's name on it? Colby hated Angleton by the way. I can't believe people are getting of on this garbage myself Ed. And by endorsing it JM's book is henceforth consigned to toilet paper as far as I'm concerned :joystick:

Seamus Coogan
05-12-2011, 09:26 PM
Feral House is re-releasing Kenn Thomas's Maury Island UFO book under the new title JFK & UFO: Military-Industrial Conspiracy and Cover-Up from Maury Island to Dallas.

Thomas's is the only book ever written about Fred Lee Crisman, a witness or at least participant in the Maury Island UFO incident in the Year of Destiny, 1947, across Puget Sound from Tacoma, Washington, and someone Jim Garrison believed was a major part of the conspiracy to murder JFK.

This is a thoroughly updated edition by Thomas and includes new information on:

-What Kenneth Arnold came to believe about UFOs.

-Ray Palmer and the original “moon hoax.”

-The obsfucated analysis of Maury Island by Ed Ruppelt, author of “The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects.”

-The Nazi connection.

-Close-up on Guy Banister, an FBI agent inked to both Maury Island and JFK. Oswald worked for him as part of his “Fair Play For Cuba” cover.

-Fred Crisman as right wing radio talk show host before his time, with material from heretofore unseen newsletter from The Institute for American Democracy.

-From Danger Man to The Invaders: the changing image of the TV spy. (Crisman felt The Invaders was based on his life.)

-Gerald Heard and the missing Maury Island chapter.

Available in coming days, see
http://feralhouse.com/jfk-ufo/
for more info and release date.

Sorry Mary but I like Ken he's a nice guy and his Casolaro stuff is good but he's off base and he may as well be Joseph Farrell with the UFO bilge about Bannister out there.

Ed Jewett
05-13-2011, 12:21 AM
See the book Mirage men: an adventure into paranoia, espionage, psychological warfare and UFO’s, Mark Pilkington, SkyHorse Publishing (Herman Graf books), New York 2010. (Of interest especially as it dovetails into Marrs’ work on NASA et al)

[I have read this library book, took extensive notes, and photocopied key pages.
I will post more when I have it transcribed.]

Please Ed if you could Larry Hancock has told me all about and says its very good.


See also a jpg of Kennedy’s executive order on space
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9QG1VqPRwWI/TbsmUdYXwwI/AAAAAAAABmY/Wpd2tC9ofcw/s1600/article-1378284-0BB00D3600000578-629_468x594.jpg

The Rise of the Fourth Reich, Jim Marrs, HarperCollins, 2008 (personal copy, annotated, on shelf)(not yet completed in its reading)

I really can't believe JM fell for this bogus Timothy S Cooper:fullofit: Cooper under pressure for a source disowned the documents in 2009. Furthermore, that is not Colby's hand writing and why redact an entire document but keep a scrawl with Angleton and Colby's name on it? Colby hated Angleton by the way. I can't believe people are getting of on this garbage myself Ed. And by endorsing it JM's book is henceforth consigned to toilet paper as far as I'm concerned :joystick:

I pulled the jpg off the Internet because it seemed consistent with some other stuff I've read recently. Frankly, that reading was almost literally three linear feet of a bookshelf which I am going now to go back through with a finer comb and cross-correlate it as part of a larger project I hope to have done sometime before Flag Day,Independence Day, or Labor Day. But I will move the work on the Pilkington book to a higher place on the "to do" list.

Jan Klimkowski
05-13-2011, 07:06 PM
Seamus - part of the philosophical rationale for DPF is that researchers can benefit from informed, respectful, dialogue with other researchers, and that hypotheses - often necessarily speculative in their nature - can develop and evolve as new information comes to light.

The thread here (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?26-UFOS-the-serious-new-deep-political-research-topic) is an introduction to some of the working hypotheses of three of the original core DPF: David Guyatt, Charles Drago and I.

Please note that David and I are not specialist JFK researchers, so we are coming at this stuff - Nazi Black Sun mysticism, alien psyops, the creation and abuse of Jungian archetypes and cultural memes, SS General Dr Kammler etc - from a totally different persective.

Indeed, speaking personally, JFK is irrelevant to my research in this area - with one, fairly significant, caveat. And that caveat is the resonant path trodden by the likes of Crisman, Banister and assorted wandering bishops of a spurious orthodoxy....

Ed Jewett
05-15-2011, 06:49 PM
Mirage Men

Notes on the book entitled Mirage Men: an adventure into paranoia, espionage, psychological warfare and UFO’s, by Mark Pilkington, published by SkyHorse Publishing (Hermann Graf Books) New York 2010, ISBN 978-1-60239-800-9; http://www.amazon.com/Mirage-Men-Adventure-Espionage-Psychological/dp/1602398003



This book jumped off the shelf in my hand at the library, as frequently occurs; the section for new nonfiction books is centrally located in the lobby and I always see what they have to offer. The title alone grabbed my attention. I had to return the book, of course, but made hasty notes and photocopies of some of the content.

The first thing that caught my eye was on page 6, a report of a brief New York Times item dated 14 December 1944 which read: “a new German weapon has made its appearance on the Western air front, it was disclosed today. Airmen of the American Air Force report that they are encountering silver colored [sic] spheres in the air over German territory.” Having been a student in the past of the Battle of the Bulge, I knew that the Nazis had a few earlier production jet aircraft with which they hoped to dominate the skies over the Ardennes forest. People in Europe have been have a greater awareness of what are termed “foo fighters”; these are discussed on pages 6 and 7, along with other UFO sightings in United States including the author’s own sighting over Yosemite, and an early reference to an “American with an intelligence background and interest in the unidentified flying objects told me that they were US mature military reconnaissance drones, perhaps lending weight to the China Lake theory. A psychic who claim to have done “remote viewing” work for the United States government (psychic spying) told me that the spheres were extraterrestrial in origin and were well known to certain government groups.”

I took note of the following quote on page 13: “... creating noise, a surplus of information and bogus documentation–data-chaff known in the business as disinformation–is a favorite technique of the intelligence and counterintelligence agencies.”

On page 16 near the bottom, the author offered up a standard response to anxious calls about strange things in the sky: “My standard response was to suggest that the witness keeep watching the light until they became too cold or too bored to continue. Then they were to go back outside the same time the following night: if the light was still there then they didn’t need to call me back.”

On page 21, lines 6 and seven: “UFO researchers knew everything about UFO’s except what they are, why they are here, where they come from and who steering them.” One could make fascinating parallels between this and many discussions about 9/11.

The author used what I thought was a powerful phrase when he discussed the beginning of America’s obsession with flying saucers in the summer of 1947 (Kenneth Arnold’s observation of nine fast flying objects near Mount Rainier in Washington state), and makes note that that was the same year in which the US says US Air Force was established as a separate military service, that the OSS was transformed into the CIA, and the Truman Doctrine and the Voice of America became the Cold War’s first acts of ontological aggression.

Almost in the same vein, the author asks a number of pointed questions, in particular about the Roswell incident. The discussion, running across pages 41, 42 and 43, notes the official US Air Force version of events presented in “The Roswell Report: fact versus fiction in the New Mexico desert” (1995), a report which was written by Col. Richard Weaver whose job prior to his retirement at about the same time was as Deputy for Security and Investigative Programs for the United States Air Force. “This meant he was a disinformation specialist and, in the early 1980s, he just happens to have been one of Richard Doty’s superiors at the Office of Special Investigations. [See also http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-41.htm ] About a paragraph later, he notes:

“If it wasn’t an unconventional balloon or rocket that crashed, why did Roswell Army Air Force Base transmits a press release that launched a thousand unidentified flying objects? Because a saucer crash was considered an innocuous cover that would effectively mask sensitive experiments? We can be sure that the press release was transmitted with specific intent.… Why would such an lead unit, for which tight secrecy was an everyday reality, put out a press release about something as potentially sensitive as a flying disc or even a secret weather balloon project? Why would they mention the incident at all rather than just thank rat rancher Mac Brazell and ask him to keep his mouth shut as a matter of national security? And if it was an accident, why did base commander Col. William Blanchard, on whose watch the incident took place, and Deb enjoying a highly illustrious career? given the political climate of the time and the press excitement about flying saucers in the weeks following the Arnold sighting, is it possible that the story was deliberately planted? Within the American military there were serious concerns that the flying saucers represented an advanced Soviet technology. perhaps announcing that one had been captured might send ripples back to the Soviets, ripples that could be then traced by the relevant intelligence bodies. Or perhaps the announcement was intended to lure Soviet moles to Roswell or Wright field to find out what was really going on....”

Again, there are fascinating parallels with 9/11.

Pages 42 and 43 has a discussion of the book The Flying Saucer which was published in 1948 and written by British author Bernard Newman, which based on the descriptions in Pilington’s book, appears to be predictive propaganda (or the aforementioned ontological aggression).

On page 49: “in late 1962 Pres. Kennedy – who, some say, was killed before he could review revealed the truth about UFOs to the American public–authorized a foreign-exchange of cosmic proportions. A team of 12 specially trained humans whose identities were subsequently erased (or “sheep-dipped” as they say in the intelligence business), would return with Ebens [ members of an extra-terrestrial race with whom United States government was communicating regularly] to their planet in a program called Project Crystal Knight.” [Google returns many hits on that term. It is of curious interest and nomenclature given what I have read recently about the presence of Nazis in the US space program.] “Preparations were made for a face-to-face meeting between Eben and human ambassadors and on 24 April 1964 two Eben spacecraft entered Earth’s atmosphere. One of them landed close to Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. A team of senior US government officials boarded the craft and were presented with a holographic device known as the Yellow Book, which contained a complete history of planet Earth. The personnel exchange was agreed for the following year and in July 1965, the human away team entered and even the craft while another ET, nicknamed EBE 2, stayed behind. The ET’s planet, named Serpo By the human visitors, is 38 light years from Earth, in the Zeta Reticuli star system....”

The interviews of those aboard EBE2 at Los Alamos were discussed on page 167; alas, I failed to photocopy that page.


On page 71: “Folklorists have a word for the process whereby folktales bleed into reality; they call it “ostention”. But when these tales are given a kickstart by the intelligence agencies, I think we can simply call it deception."

An example of the above is presented on page 74 in detail of the aswang [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aswang ], a superstitious belief exploited by Edwin Lansdale’s team in the Philippines to create terror among indigenous and insurgent groups. “Local superstitions were also exploded during the Vietnam war, where the Army’s 6th PSYOPS Battalion regularly broadcast an audio recording called “the wailing soul” through speakers mounted on backpacks or helicopters. Praying on Vietnam ease traditions of the unquiet dead, tape contained a conversation between the little girl and the wandering soul of her dead father, who’d been killed while fighting the Americans. The recording, which made heavy use of urea reverb effects and traditional Vietnamese funeral music, was so effective that also spooked American soldiers patrolling the jungle at night.

Lansdale’s aswang and a wandering soul were just two of the countless psychological deception operations carried out during the hot years of the Cold War. Tom Braden, former head of the international organizations division of the directorate of plans, (now the national clandestine line service), which oversaw most of the CIA’s PSYOPS, covert action and propaganda work, wrote in 1973 that there were “ so many CIA projects at the height of the Cold War that was almost impossible for man to keep them in balance”.

In the fight against communism, maintaining a firm but gentle grasp on hearts and minds at home–the proverbial iron fist inside a velvet glove–was as important as winning them over abroad. Although the National Security Act expressly forbade the CIA from conducting activities on American soil, it seemed to have no trouble finding ways to do so, setting up a veritable empire of false companies–nicknamed “Delaware’s” after the state in which they were registered–and employing “quiet channels”, companies and institutions who were on the right side, to get their people into key positions on newspapers, magazines, TV and radio stations, businesses and grassroots organizations across the nation. While the CIA worked on the ground, the bigger picture was shaped by an even more secretive organization, about which little was known until almost 50 years after its dissolution.

The Psychological Strategy Board (PSB) was signed into existence by Harry Truman in 1951, tasked with coordinating psychological operations at home and abroad, and ensuring that America and Americans looked, sounded and thought right. If this sounds Orwellian, then that’s because it was: even the contents of its first strategy paper are still classified, the traces of it can be found referenced in other documents. According to one, the PSP’s role was to develop “a machinery” to promote “the American way of life”, and to counter “doctrines hostile to American objectives”. To do so they would take in open quotes all fields of intellectual interests, from anthropology and artistic creations to sociology and scientific methodology”.

In May 1952, the PSB took over Packet, the CIA’s psychological warfare program, aimed at persuading foreign leaders that the American way was superior to anyone else’s way, particularly the Russians. Maintaining America’s charisma abroad required the control, procurement and production of everything from scholarly “seminars, symposia, special tomes, learned journals [and] libraries,” to church services, comic books, “folksongs, folklore, folktales and itinerant storytellers”. The PSP’s message was broadcast over TV and radio, and from ships and aircraft; even the use of three-dimensional moving images was considered for added realism.”

[Footnotes for the PSB material note two sources: The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence by John Marks and Victor Marchetti (1974), and Who Paid The Piper? CIA in the cultural Cold War”, by Francis S Saunders (1999). The footnotes note that the first book “was considered so potentially damaging that 168 sections, including whole pages, were delete it by the CIA before its publication could be authorized. Marchetti resigned from the CIA in 1969. By the end of his 14 year career he had become special assistant to CIA director Richard Helms.”]

The epigraph on page 78:

“Symbols should convey the Line of Persuasion. They must convey a preconceived notion already developed by the deception target… Sport anglers do the same by applying scents, motion, and color to indicate the lure is an easy meal.”

A primer for deception analysis: psychological operations’ target audience analysis, Lieut. Col. Ricka Stroh and Major Jason Wendell, Iosphere, Fall 2007.

In early 1952 CIA director Walter B Smith wrote to Raymond Allen, director of the Psychological Strategy Board:

“I am today transmitting to the National Security Council a proposal in which it is concluded that the problems associated with unidentified flying objects appear to have implications for psychological warfare as well as for intelligence and operations. I suggest that we discuss an early board meeting the possible offense of and defense of utilization of these phenomena for psychological warfare purposes.”

On page 84 there is a discussion of psychological warfare and, inside an extended quotation (whose attribution I have lost because I failed the photocopy page 83), there is another interesting note with an eerie parallel to 9/11:

“… At any moment of attack, we are now in a position where we cannot, on instant basis, distinguish hardware from phantom, and as tension mounts we will run the increasing risk of false alerts and the even greater dammit dammit danger of falsely identifying the real as phantom.”

On pages 115-116,: “Believing that the military and the intelligence agencies were behind the entire flying saucer phenomenon struck me as being no less misguided or paranoid than any of the other wild tales circulating within the UFO lore. It seemed clear that the US Air Force, the Navy, the CIA, the NSA and who knows which other members of this cryptic alphabets soup had knowingly deceived the public and, at times, each other, about UFOs. Each had, in their own way, exploded the phenomenon to their own ends and, in doing so, shape the way that the mythology had unraveled. Whether the UFOs were flying overhead, crashing to the ground, hailing us or kidnapping us, there were human fingerprints all over them.”

On pages 116-117: “In 1953 the CIA Robertson Panel had recommended that civilian UFO organizations should be closely monitored (for ‘monitored’ we can probably read infiltrated), mentioning the aerial phenomenon research organization (APRO) and Civilian Saucer Investigations (CSI) by name. If the wiser members of the UFO community were aware that there were being watched and sometimes interfered with by the government, they tended to believe that it was because they were getting too close to the truth of extraterrestrial visitation. Three decades later, a very different picture of government involvement began to emerge, one that most ufologists, perhaps understandably, chose to it nor. It all hinged on ufology’s first whistleblower, a heroic researcher turned traitor and pariah: enter William Moore.

Bill Moore was one of the most respected players in the field. He’d been largely responsible for digging up the Roswell story after four years 40 years of obscurity, and his best-selling book the Roswell incident had contributed to the fields increasingly presentable public image. But that by the time of his presentation at the 1989 mutual UFO network (MUFON) conference at the Aladdin casino hotel in Las Vegas, the UFO community was in total disarray: the conference reflected what was, essentially, a Civil War. As the relatively sober minded official MUFON event took place at the Aladdin, a splinter conference was being held nearby at another site. The speakers here advocated the more extreme, “ Darkside” of the UFO phenomenon, Morning of the successful alien colonization of the planet and a vast government conspiracy to cover it up while providing human genetic material to the extraterrestrials, harvested in terrifying abductions, in exchange for advanced military technologies.”

Pages 126-127 offer up a description of effective psy ops communications tradecraft Involving encoded bits of information transmitted with postcards, untraceable phone numbers, recognition signals, passwords, “the inevitable manila envelope”, etc.

Pages 153-154 offer up a discussion of “the fabled black, silent helicopters of conspiracy lore”, their ARPA genesis, the company who makes them, and their use by domestic police departments, as well as tests at area 51, deployment to Laos, and their return to Edwards AFB for dismantling. The paper trail ended inside a CIA front organization, and the author states that “the technology for such a craft was fully functional by late 1972 ....”

Page 159 contained a good description of “set dressing”, an old example of whihc was the use of rubber tanks in the UK to deceive Germany about the site of the D-Day landings.

Page 178 has a good breakdown of the sub-agencies involved in Air Force PsyOps under AFOSI (Air Force Office of Special Investigations) which include electronic warfare operations (EW Ops), network warfare operations (NW Ops), and influence operations (IFO). Influence operations include “military deception (MILDEC), operations security (OPSEC), psychological operations (PSYOP), counterintelligence (CI), public affairs operations (PA), and counter propaganda”.

On page 179, there is (again with an eerie parallel to 9/11) a description of a project which served to focus and divide the UFO community, creating a wall of noise around the subjects that made serious research difficult; many people who might want to take the subject seriously were dissuaded from doing so.” On page 186 is a discussion among several people of digital trickery and special effects.

The epigraph at the top of chapter 12 reads as follows:

“The purpose is… conditioning of billions of human minds, through direct access to their television screens… whoever controls information governs the world… the message is no longer obvious; instead it is impressively seductive.”

Lofti Maherzi, Algerie Actualite, 13-19 March 1985

On page 193-194: “Back in 1953 the CIA’s Robertson panel had recommended that a ‘broad educational program’ should be put in place to “strip the unidentified flying objects of the special status they have been given in the aura of mystery they have unfortunately required”. Among the companies named to work on these educational programs was Walt Disney Incorporated and according to one of its lead animators, two years later this is exactly what happened. Ward Kimball was one of Walt Disney’s inner circle of animators and designers. He created Jiminy Cricket for Pinocchio and the crows in Dumbo, and won Oscars for two of his Disney shorts. In the mid-1850s Kimball wrote in directed three TV specials featuring the German rocket scientist Werhner von Braun.... Ward Kimball was also a keen UFO enthusiast and remained one throughout his life. In 1979 he made an unscheduled appearance at the Mutual UFO Network’s annual conference, where he told the audience that in 1955 the US Air Force had approached Walt Disney with suggestions of making a documentary film aboutUFOs. the Air Force promised to supply Disney with real UFO footage, and Disney said his animators to work designing a leading characters to appear in it. The Air Force never delivered on the UFO footage, leaving Disney to cancel the project, [I]although some of the aliens appeared in a 15 min. film about UFOs that was never publicly shown. [Emphasis mine.] Page 262 mentions some Masonic symbolism at Disney World in California.

Page 195-196 have a description of holography. “Allan Sandler was treated to a particularly impressive holographic demonstration in a screening room with a small stage at one end. The curtains parted and a man walked onto the stage to introduce the Pentagon’s new, state-of-the-art holographic projection technology. All of a sudden, a small bird flew out from the wings and landed on the man’s shoulder; he smiled and both of them disappeared. They were the demonstration.”

Chapters 13, 14 and 15 ought to be presented in their entirety; the latter two are the meat and potatoes of the book, “where the dog died”, but available space, cash, and pertinent copyright laws prevent me from presenting them here; perhaps Mr. Pilkington should be invited to participate in the Deep Politics Forum. In chapter 16, he addresses the allegation that he was himself working for MI6 while he conducted his research. Page 260 mentions a UFO museum, perhaps not unlike the one on the sixth floor in Dallas, to further bake and salt an “epistemological pretzel”.

On page 272: “In The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence Victor Marchetti and John Marks discussed the problem of “emotional attachment”, which because particularly acute for agents working in special operations. They describe a team in the late 50s training Tibetans loyal to the Dalai Lama for an uprising to reclaim their country from the Chinese, a mission that was fundamentally hopeless and led to many deaths. Several of the CIA trainers later adopted the prayers and beliefs of their charges. Emotional attachment, they note, is particularly prevalent in special operations, whose officers “often have a deep psychological need to belong and believe. This, coupled with the dangers and hardships they willingly endure, tends to drive them to support extreme causes and seek unattainable goals.

Is this how it happens? Is there something so deeply appealing, so deeply right about the UFO, about the idea of saviors from outer space, of technological age of Angels, of our future time traveling selves, that it also infects everybody that comes in contact with? Do we need to believe that someone else out there can save us, or least give us hope that we, as a species, as a planet, can survive the Pope actual chaos of life on earth?…” The author notes that “when carriers ... get into corridors of power, as they sometimes do, then there’s every possibility that their infection... might spread. And from there it wouldn’t take much for the contagion to get dangerously out of hand.”

Finally on page 274, Pilkington suggests that the entire thing is “enough to make Sherlock Holmes unplug his modem”.

Ed Jewett
05-16-2011, 12:53 AM
Stalin, Mengele, join cast as Roswell plot thickens
Thomas Harding, London
May 15, 2011


"... Area 51, the new book by Annie Jacobsen, is based on interviews with scientists and engineers who worked in the top-secret test base in the Nevada Desert.

It dismisses the alien story and puts forward the theory that Stalin was inspired by Orson Welles's famous radio adaptation of the H.G. Wells novel The War of the Worlds, which provoked hysteria across America when broadcast in 1938.

According to the book, the plot started after the Soviet Union seized from Germany at the end of the war the jet-propelled, single wing Horten Ho 229 - a fighter said to be the forerunner of the modern B-2 stealth bomber.

This is where Mengele enters the story. The Nazi doctor, who experimented on prisoners in Auschwitz and fled to South America after the war, was supposedly enlisted to create a crew of ''grotesque, child-size aviators'' in return for a eugenics laboratory.

The book says that the plane was filled with ''alien-like'' children, aged 12 or 13, who Stalin wanted to land in America and cause hysteria similar to the 1938 broadcast. But the remotely piloted plane crashed and the Americans hushed up the incident. Jacobsen's source, a retired engineer from the former defence company EG&G, said he was put on to the Roswell project in Area 51 in 1978.
Jacobsen, a journalist with The Los Angeles Times, writes: ''They found bodies alongside the crashed craft. These were not aliens. Nor were they consenting airmen. They were human guinea pigs. Unusually petite for pilots, they appeared to be children.

''Each was under five feet tall. They were grotesquely deformed, but each in the same manner as the others. They had unusually large heads and abnormally shaped oversized eyes.''

Two were supposedly found ''comatose but still alive''.

A spokesman for the US Air Force said: ''We have not yet read this book so we are not able to make a comment on it.''


http://www.theage.com.au/world/stalin-mengele-join-cast-as-roswell-plot-thickens-20110514-1endc.html#ixzz1MTIkyPYA

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Jack White
05-16-2011, 01:40 AM
Stalin, Mengele, join cast as Roswell plot thickens
Thomas Harding, London
May 15, 2011


"... Area 51, the new book by Annie Jacobsen, is based on interviews with scientists and engineers who worked in the top-secret test base in the Nevada Desert.

It dismisses the alien story and puts forward the theory that Stalin was inspired by Orson Welles's famous radio adaptation of the H.G. Wells novel The War of the Worlds, which provoked hysteria across America when broadcast in 1938.

According to the book, the plot started after the Soviet Union seized from Germany at the end of the war the jet-propelled, single wing Horten Ho 229 - a fighter said to be the forerunner of the modern B-2 stealth bomber.

This is where Mengele enters the story. The Nazi doctor, who experimented on prisoners in Auschwitz and fled to South America after the war, was supposedly enlisted to create a crew of ''grotesque, child-size aviators'' in return for a eugenics laboratory.

The book says that the plane was filled with ''alien-like'' children, aged 12 or 13, who Stalin wanted to land in America and cause hysteria similar to the 1938 broadcast. But the remotely piloted plane crashed and the Americans hushed up the incident. Jacobsen's source, a retired engineer from the former defence company EG&G, said he was put on to the Roswell project in Area 51 in 1978.
Jacobsen, a journalist with The Los Angeles Times, writes: ''They found bodies alongside the crashed craft. These were not aliens. Nor were they consenting airmen. They were human guinea pigs. Unusually petite for pilots, they appeared to be children.

''Each was under five feet tall. They were grotesquely deformed, but each in the same manner as the others. They had unusually large heads and abnormally shaped oversized eyes.''

Two were supposedly found ''comatose but still alive''.

A spokesman for the US Air Force said: ''We have not yet read this book so we are not able to make a comment on it.''


http://www.theage.com.au/world/stalin-mengele-join-cast-as-roswell-plot-thickens-20110514-1endc.html#ixzz1MTIkyPYA

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Most absurd "explanation" ever for Roswell incident.

Jack

Ed Jewett
05-16-2011, 02:36 AM
[QUOTE=Ed Jewett;38741]Stalin, Mengele, join cast as Roswell plot thickens

Most absurd "explanation" ever for Roswell incident.

Jack



But it was good late Sunday night entertainment.... The scriptwriters of this generation are far less competent (or far more stretched) (or under greater pressure). It must be because of the educational dumbing-down that has occurred.

Ed Jewett
05-23-2011, 02:37 AM
UAVs: The (formerly) Secret History
Posted on July 28, 2010 by Mark


Mirage Men contains a comprehensive potted history of American UAV development from the 1930s to the present, but if you want the motherlode then the Mitchell Institute has just published an intensely detailed account (PDF download) of the US Air Force’s Unmanned Aerial Vehicle programme.

http://www.afa.org/Mitchell/Reports/MS_UAV_0710.pdf

The report by Thomas P Ehrhard is pieced together from declassified documents, so there’s no new technology on display here, but a lot of fascinating detail on the relationship between the USAF and the various Intel agencies including the CIA and the National Reconnaissance Office, and the funding routes that the projects took.

It’s likely that the various highly secret UAV programmes undertaken by the Air Force, the Navy and the intelligence services significantly fuelled the rumours of captured UFOs. If we look at the main centres of development and testing for UAVs – Wright Patterson AFB, Holloman AFB, Area 51 – it should be no surprise that these are the places that the UFOs were always supposed to have been stored.

The UAVs’ existence would have been hidden from many ordinary USAF pilots and personnel, so flybys could well account for some internal military UFO sightings, and as Ehrhard’s report and Mirage Men show, these drones were capable of some very nifty moves, even as far back as the 1960s.

From the introduction:

‘Due to the sensitivity of the subject matter, the following paragraphs provide what is, to date, the only comprehensive compilation and analysis of US national intelligence-collecting UAVs. The information is taken from declassified documents and pieced together from open-source information and interviews. Several themes will emerge over the course of this discussion. First, the intelligence community had the most compelling need for unmanned aircraft due to the political fallout that might result if an adversary captured a pilot. Second, the CIA-Air Force combine proved to be fertile ground for UAV innovation, with the secret foreign intelligence budget allowing a relatively high-risk development environment and the Air Force contributing itssubstantial aviation expertise, resulting in efficient UAV flight operations. The immaturity of UAV technology and the requirement to overfly vast expanses of territory led to very large, expensive UAV programs. The imperatives of the Cold War allowed for UAV technology development that might not have survived intense public scrutiny.’

Via Secrecy News ( http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2010/07/uas_homeland.html ), which also features links to articles on failure rates in UAV systems (PDF @ http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/uas-vuln.pdf ), and the potential use of UAVs to monitor American citizens at home (another PDF @ http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/RS21698.pdf ).

http://miragemen.wordpress.com/2010/07/28/uavs-the-formerly-secret-history/


The "Mark" who posted this at the link above is apparently the author of the book "Mirage Men".

Keith Millea
05-23-2011, 04:30 AM
The report by Thomas P Ehrhard is pieced together from declassified documents, so there’s no new technology on display here, but a lot of fascinating detail on the relationship between the USAF and the various Intel agencies including the CIA and the National Reconnaissance Office, and the funding routes that the projects took.


Drone on the range



Should Oregon skies welcome unmanned aerial vehicles?
By Camilla Mortensen



If a UAV testing area were opened up in Central Oregon, there wouldn’t be any bombs falling from drones, Predator or otherwise. “They would not be dropping ordinances; it couldn’t happen in the air space we’re looking to create,” says Roger Lee, EDCO director.

When the recession hit the east side of Oregon, Lee says, “There was a half a billion dollar industry here in manufacturing general aviation aircraft and components.” There is less than a fifth of that today, he says. Collins Hemingway, chair of the aviation recruitment committee for EDCO, adds that at least two aircraft companies went bankrupt in the region. The industry got together, Lee says, and began meeting to figure out what could utilize the talent base that was still there. The UAV industry had the most promise, Hemingway says, and “what we’d like to see is getting some of our unemployed people back to work.”

EDCO says a dozen companies have already said they would use the testing area and cites Northwest companies including Insitu, Boeing and Evergreen Aviation as all benefiting from a drone testing area.

There are benefits for Oregonians not in the aviation industry too, Hemingway says, echoing Batten’s list of nonmilitary uses for drones. He says unmanned craft could be used in place of human pilots in high-risk situations such as tanker drops to put out forest fires. Mini UAVs, he says, can be used in orchard management.

Hemingway says the planes could also be used to patrol for invasive weeds. Ranchers could monitor fences with unmanned craft; law enforcement could patrol for drugs. “Anything you can practically think of when it comes to getting information,” Lee adds.


Read entire article:

http://www.eugeneweekly.com/2011/05/19/coverstory.html

Ed Jewett
05-23-2011, 03:37 PM
Pentagon weapons buyer quietly visits California to discuss bomber planes

Ashton Carter meets with Northrop, Boeing and Lockheed executives about the military's plans to build a fleet of radar-evading, long-range bombers.

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-05/61785670.jpg

By W.J. Hennigan, Los Angeles Times
May 22, 2011

Deep in the Mojave Desert, surrounded by tiers of barbed-wire fence, the nation's largest defense contractors work in secrecy designing and building the latest military aircraft at Air Force Plant 42.

The military's top weapons buyer quietly visited the Palmdale facility this month to talk with leading aerospace executives about plans to build a fleet of radar-evading bombers that the military hopes to have ready for action by the mid-2020s.

The plane would be the first long-range bomber built in the U.S. since the last of the 21 bat-winged B-2 stealth bombers by Northrop Grumman Corp. rolled off the assembly lines at Plant 42 more than a decade ago. The Air Force owns the 5,800-acre industrial park and leases space to aerospace contractors.

Now on the Pentagon wish list is a proposed fleet of 80 to 100 nuclear-capable bombers that could operate with or without a pilot in the cockpit.

Pentagon weapons acquisition chief Ashton Carter met separately with representatives of Northrop, Boeing Co. and Lockheed Martin Corp., Pentagon spokeswoman Cheryl Irwin said. These companies are expected to vie for the estimated $55-billion contract that is expected to provide jobs and decades of work for Southern California's aerospace industry.

Although the contractors declined to discuss the high-level meetings, Northrop and Boeing were quick to express interest in competing for the contract when the acquisition plan is laid out.

"Northrop Grumman employees in California designed, produced and currently maintain the nation's newest bomber in the U.S. Air Force fleet, the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber," said Randy Belote, a Northrop spokesman.

"Our people and capabilities in California and across the company," he said, "stand ready to assist the Defense Department and the U.S. Air Force in meeting the nation's future requirements for the long-range-strike mission."

A Boeing spokesman said the company "will compete in the bomber competition," and Lockheed declined to comment.

This program may also have a broad effect on the mom-and-pop machine shops and other contractors that could be called upon to make parts for the bomber, said Fred Downey, a national security analyst with the Aerospace Industries Assn., an Arlington, Va.-based trade group.

Federal spending is under major scrutiny in Washington, and Congress certainly would examine any proposal for a new jet. But Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, who himself has advocated scaling down Pentagon spending, has repeatedly defended the need to acquire bombers.

"It is important that we begin this project now to ensure that a new bomber can be ready before the current aging fleet goes out of service," he said at a news briefing this year. Gates is slated to hand over the reins of the Pentagon to CIA Director Leon Panetta next month.

Rep. Howard P. "Buck" McKeon (R-Santa Clarita), chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, supports the project.

"The Air Force and the Defense Department have made clear that replacements are needed for America's aging bomber fleet and that long-range strike should be a priority," McKeon aide John Noonan said. "The chairman concurs with their assessment."

There is $197 million set aside for developing the bomber in the 2012 fiscal budget, and $3.7 billion is allocated for the program over the next five years, said Maj. Chad Steffey, an Air Force spokesman.

The program's prospects in Congress also look strong, with the support of prominent congressional Republicans such as McKeon.

"The Defense Department is serious about doing this program," said Todd Harrison, a defense analyst for the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington, D.C. "The last time they tried to upgrade their bomber force, they bought 21 B-2s. That's not nearly enough to modernize the fleet."

The B-2 fleet now numbers 20 — one crashed in Guam in 2008. The Air Force also has 66 B-1 bombers, built in the 1980s, and 85 B-52 bombers, which were built in the 1960s and modified for use today.

"The Air Force believes it's overdue for an upgrade," Harrison said, adding that funding for the new bomber program could already be underway through the Air Force's $12.6-billion classified, or "black," budget for weapons research and development.

Building bombers under the black budget is not unprecedented. The U.S. government didn't lift the veil on the B-2 program until a decade after it had begun, revealing one of the largest weapons development efforts since the Manhattan Project produced the atomic bomb in the 1940s.

The Air Force and Northrop went to great lengths to conceal even the smallest detail of the B-2 program. Many suppliers had no idea they were making parts for the bomber. The government created dummy companies that ordered the parts, which were often picked up in the middle of the night by unmarked trucks. Northrop said that at its height, the B-2 program involved about 40,000 employees at aerospace facilities all over the country, including about 15,000 in the Southland.

This time, "the cloak-and-dagger should be even better," said John Pike, director of Globalsecurity.org, a website for military policy research. "The government is not going to want to advertise a program like this."

Gates said the new bomber would be "using proven technologies, an approach that should make it possible to deliver this capability on schedule and in quantity."

Such comments have led many defense analysts to believe the future bomber will look a lot like the stealthy jet-powered drones that are currently flying from Northrop, Boeing and Lockheed.

Northrop has a drone, dubbed X-47B, that is designed to carry laser-guided bombs and be launched from an aircraft carrier. Lockheed's RQ-170 Sentinel spy drone, called the "Beast of Kandahar," was developed at Lockheed's famed Skunk Works and reportedly was used during the raid at Osama bin Laden's compound. Both were built at Plant 42.

Boeing's fighter-size Phantom Ray drone is undergoing test flights at Edwards Air Force Base, just north of Palmdale.

"All of them look like baby B-2s," said defense expert Peter W. Singer, author of "Wired for War," a book about robotic warfare. "They have key stealth design features, which allow them to penetrate enemy air defenses."

Although the program is still far from a certainty, Singer believes that fielding a new bomber is crucial. "It's a national security concern."

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-new-bomber-20110522,0,6128044.story

Related (follow at link right above this):
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http://www.latimes.com/media/thumbnails/story/2011-05/61466073-09001601.jpg


And then one can read Jim Marrs on the transference of Nazi thought and technology into the US military space and aviation worlds ...

http://up-ship.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/horton.jpg

Helen Reyes
05-25-2011, 09:43 PM
I didn't expect so may replies to this small notice about a reprint. In fact I didn't expect any replies or maybe just one or two from veterans of the Crisman thread.

Kenn Thomas may well be misguided, but he has an interesting way of documenting his folly. I don't seriously entertain the idea he is an agent of disinformation any more than I would seriously suspect Robert Anton Wilson of being a secret agent of the Illuminati.

There is something going on with Crisman, DISC on the Torbitt document, Nazis, UFOs and Kennedy, but whether that led to his assassination, personally I doubt.

Annie's newish Area 51 book is very attractive to those who really don't want to "go there," it provides a rational explanation for Groom Lake and all the secrecy and UFO cover stories. I don't doubt her research is very interesting and probably does shed some light on what went on there.

Jim Marrs and Jospeh Farrell might err on the side of too much Nazi involvement. One interesting thing I heard recently was (no raspberry sounds please) a Coast to Coast AM with Linda Moulton Howe talking with a man who was instructed by people on the inside to simply go back and read the local New Mexico press for May-July 1947. He came up with a strange story of a massive increase in the statistical average of plane crashes around the US (and as I recall the Swedish monarch also died in a plane crash in Netherlands in 1947) following what he decided was a US military policy to shoot down the craft harrassing White Sands and other facilities, whatever they were. I think the "internet name" of the C2C episode is "Coast to Coast - Jan 20 2006 - 1947 White Sands UFO Report" but it might be another one around the same time.

Invoking Mengela to explain the midget aliens at Roswell to just smells like disinformation to me, but no one has explained why they were so human, if they were there at all. The easiest explanation is they were strange looking Homo sapiens, not aliens.

Kenn Thomas has renamed his book from an earlier title, I think it something distinctly uncatchy like Maury Island UFO: Fred Crisman and something something. So he is attaching JFK to the title to both attract attention and to get to the core of what the book is really about, the Maury Island event but also the weird connexions it has with American politics later. I don't think that's disinformation-mongering so much as selling a book in order to get people to take a look at real information, which hasn't been fully explained yet, a la the Peter Levenda coincidences.

I didn't consider that people might interpret the title here on DPF as an attempt to pin the JFK assassination on little green men. I wasn't even concerned about JFK, just the Maury Island event, which is interesting in itself.

For whatever reason my DNS server is blocking DPF, or I am being blocked somewhere along the line, so apologies if I cannot respond in a timely way to any replies.

(I also noticed that Mike Rivero's site after the most recent DNS DDOS came back up with a note he's moving from Republic Broadcasting to Rense.com effective immediately. This is extremely funny to regular listeners of his radio show, where traditionally he has basically hung up on any and all callers who bring up UFOs, chemtrails and mystic mumbojumbo by saying "We don't do that here, go over to Rense for that!")

:)

It is probably worth noting here, since Kenn Thomas's name has been connected with attempts to divert attention from the true sponsors and facilitators, that he is convinced of at least two controversial points: a plane hit the Pentagon on 9/11, and Majestic 12 was a real organization doing more or less what it is purported to have done by the UFOlogy faction that believes it existed.

Keep your eyes on the skies...

Jan Klimkowski
05-26-2011, 06:29 PM
There is something going on with Crisman, DISC on the Torbitt document, Nazis, UFOs and Kennedy, but whether that led to his assassination, personally I doubt.



Helen - I concur.

Your research and insights are always welcome at DPF (when you're not DNS blocked!)



Invoking Mengela to explain the midget aliens at Roswell to just smells like disinformation to me, but no one has explained why they were so human, if they were there at all. The easiest explanation is they were strange looking Homo sapiens, not aliens.

I doubt that Mengele, midget aliens, or testtube midgets have anything to do with Roswell.

I'm still in favour of an archetypal interpretation, and a psyop deliberately exploiting archetypal forms which exist in the human subconscious, collective unconscious and occult traditions.

See here (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?26-UFOS-the-serious-new-deep-political-research-topic&highlight=sonne).

Bernice Moore
06-13-2011, 01:31 AM
http://feralhouse.com/jfk-ufo/

JFK & UFO

JFK & UFO

Military-Industrial Conspiracy and Cover-Up from Maury Island to Dallas

Kenn Thomas



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In 1947 six flying saucers circled above a harbor boat in Puget Sound near Tacoma, Washington, one wobbling and spewing slag. The falling junk killed a dog and burned a boy’s arm. His father, Harold Dahl, witnessed it all and brought his partner, Fred Crisman, down the next day to see yet another UFO. The Maury Island incident became the first UFO event of the modern era.
In 1968, New Orleans district attorney Jim Garrison subpoenaed Fred Crisman as part of his investigation into the JFK assassination, which became the subject of Oliver Stone’s 1992 JFKmovie. Garrison believed that Crisman was the infamous grassy knoll shooter. And he’s the central figure in the “Mystery Tramp” photo of the Dallas rail yard hobos.
Illustrated with rare newspaper images, JFK & UFO interconnects the lingering mysteries of America’s most notorious assassination and its weird ufological subculture. It examines the denizens of the bizarre, semi-spook underground reflecting a stranger and more true history than offered by the mainstream.
This is a revised version of an earlier edition, which went out of print in 2004 and is now a collectors’ item. New research in this edition includes:
§ What Kenneth Arnold came to believe about UFOs.
§ Ray Palmer and the original “moon hoax.”
§ The obsfucated analysis of Maury Island by Ed Ruppelt, author of “The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects.”
§ The Nazi connection.
§ Close-up on Guy Banister, an FBI agent inked to both Maury Island and JFK. Oswald worked for him as part of his “Fair Play For Cuba” cover.
§ Fred Crisman: right wing radio talk show host before his time, with material from heretofore unseen newsletter from The Institute for American Democracy.
§ From Danger Man to The Invaders: the changing image of the TV spy. (Crisman felt The Invaders was based on his life.)
§ Gerald Heard and the missing Maury Island chapter.
Kenn Thomas works as a conspiracy investigator, university library archivist, and editor and publisher of the conspiracy magazine, Steamshovel Press (http://www.steamshovelpress.com/). For Feral House he has written The Octopus: Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casolaro (http://feralhouse.com/the-octopus/), which helped expose the Inslaw scandal of the Reagan years. Thomas also co-edited (with Adam Parfrey) Secret and Suppressed II: Banned Ideas and Hidden History into the 21st Century (http://feralhouse.com/secret-and-suppressed-ii/).