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Bernice Moore
06-14-2011, 01:22 AM
Ruby-Oswald Shooting Photographer ( Robert JACKSON) Says 'No Blood Anywhere'

http://www.rense.com/general73/ruby.htm

Peter Lemkin
06-14-2011, 05:02 AM
Yeah, there were so many sub-plots that day and the following days.....I consider it quite likely LHO was murdered in the ambulance, in which he thought he was making a clean get-away with the aid of friends and handlers...:spy:

Bernice Moore
06-15-2011, 03:55 AM
thanks for the reply Peter, this was new to me, ?? somewhere along the way, I had been sleeping i guess, I missed it,Duh !!!:curtain: I guess it was possible, anything was, with all those in control of everything, so i thought i would take a look at it, i do not see much blood at all, i must agree with that, but then on the otherhand i have never been in such a situation to have seen, thank god, such, so i really no no, it was different ...take care hope your well...best b:cheer:

LR Trotter
06-15-2011, 06:22 AM
But I find it hard to believe that the lack of blood, on LHO and/or near the area of the shooting, would be strong evidence of a fake shooting in the DPD basement, which of course would require the use of blanks. :sherlock:

Steve Duffy
06-19-2011, 06:19 AM
Yeah, there were so many sub-plots that day and the following days.....I consider it quite likely LHO was murdered in the ambulance, in which he thought he was making a clean get-away with the aid of friends and handlers...:spy:
Isn't ruby shooting him..easier?...
This was bought up on my FB group the other week..I just cannot see a scenario that makes sense..besides what we see, live, on Television...

Magda Hassan
06-19-2011, 09:09 AM
Yeah, there were so many sub-plots that day and the following days.....I consider it quite likely LHO was murdered in the ambulance, in which he thought he was making a clean get-away with the aid of friends and handlers...:spy:
Isn't ruby shooting him..easier?...
This was bought up on my FB group the other week..I just cannot see a scenario that makes sense..besides what we see, live, on Television...
But that doesn't make sense either does it? It was unbelievable...crazy...especially after what had just happened. I'm not saying that Ruby didn't do it just that the whole thing is crazy. :shrug:

Steve Duffy
06-19-2011, 09:33 AM
If Lee had been killed resisting arrest, or seeming too..then the Ruby solution wouldn't have been needed.
The alternate ..well, all I see are logical flaws. One connected -to -the -plot gunman..vs an entirely staged distraction..to receive, ultimately, the same result...Oswald's death.
If an alternate scenario was presented..with out huge leaps of faith..then possibly.
But there's be a lot to be explained away. The first would be...why stage it?...
How many people?...when was it decided...who was in on it, how many?...we know the ambulance drivers..etc..can they be called upon as executioners?...the whole scenario needs a logical through-line....

Magda Hassan
06-19-2011, 10:51 AM
...the whole scenario needs a logical through-line....
Agreed Steve.

Ed Jewett
07-04-2011, 01:16 AM
Re-appearing today at the Alex Constantine site on the front page, this tidbit from the past:

Ike Pappas, CBS Reporter who Broadcast Oswald Death, Dead at 75/Was Pappas a CIA “Mockingbird” Perception Manager?
2nd September 2008


Edited by A. Constantine

Veteran CBS correspondent and producer Ike Pappas worked closely with Walter Cronkite, a military intelligence asset recalled from Russia to take the job of anchor “Mockingbird” at CBS under Lawrence Tisch, a recruit to the cold war propaganda program assembled by the CIA’s Allen Dulles. Pappas himself fits the Agency’s perception management profile:

• Pappas covered the murder of Lee Oswald, and knew Jack Ruby, a “chum”: “Reporters such as Ike Pappas were much closer and saw immediately not only what had happened, but recognized Jack Ruby, since he liked to chum around with reporters. In fact, the night before, he had brought snacks to one of the local radio newsrooms. … “
http://www.metafilter.com/67561/Oswald-has-been-shot

• He did “mainstream” media disinfomercials: ” … Oswald was the lone gunman. [or so the narrator for the 1995 History Channel program entitled The Secret Service, Ike Pappas, states … “
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/beliefs.htm

• He went on to cover the CIA and Pengaton for CBS. Example:

Headline: CIA/Colby /Watergate

Abstract:(Studio) CIA Director William Colby at meeting of Associated Press managing eds. says CIA dragged its foot with regard to Watergate.

REPORTER: Walter Cronkite

(Williamsburg, Virginia) Colby says CIA delayed giving prosecutors Watergate information because afraid would sensationalize any CIA link with Watergate. Several arrested were ex-CIA men and White House asked CIA to limit FBI’s investigation…..

REPORTER: Ike Pappas

• Pappas, to his credit, did some fine reporting in his lifetime – including this report on a Nazi doctor in the U.S. – although this could be interpreted as containment, a limited hang-out to keep a lid on Operation Paperclip: “Crimewatch Tonight. Ike Pappas reports on the case of vicious Nazi doctor Vilis Kruze who practiced in the U.S. and caused brain damage. … “
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/h/hoffman.michael/1994/hoffman.9410

• Pappas, DoD and the Vietnam War Bandwagon:

” … When Ike Pappas put together a broadcast of “Songs of War” for CBS in 1967, he used material sent to him by the Public Information Officers of various units. Many singers and performing groups were sent on tour by Special Services. In 1965 Hershel Gober and his band the Black Patches were the first performers to go on tour for Command Military Touring Shows. (CMTS). Later in the war Bill Ellis, who wrote songs about the First Cavalry Division, did a tour for CMTS and later went to Japan to cut an EP record for the Cav Public Information Office, a copy of which was given to each member of the division in 1968. … Colonel Joe Starker (11 CAB) arranged to have Mike Staggs transferred to the 173rd Assault Helicopter Company so he could sing with the Merrymen. … “
http://www.temple.edu/isllc/newfolk/military/systems1.html

* Ike Pappas was embedded with the National Guard at Kent State at the time of the shootings: ” … Ike Pappas, a CBS reporter who had come to campus after the ROTC fire Saturday. Pappas had been given complete access to tag along with the Guard … “
http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:KjtKfTY4hSAJ:www.clevescene.com/2000-05-04/news/the-shootings/3+%22ike+pappas%22+a+shill&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=34&gl=us

Ike Pappas, who broadcast Oswald death, dead at 75

NEW YORK (AP) — Ike Pappas, a longtime CBS newsman who reported the shooting death of presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald on the radio as it was happening, has died at age 75. Pappas died Sunday in a hospital in Arlington, Virginia, of complications of heart disease, his family said.

Pappas was among the reporters at the Dallas police station waiting for Oswald to be moved two days after President Kennedy was assassinated. Pappas had just asked him, “You have anything to say in your defense?” when a shot rang out.

“Oswald has been shot!” Pappas said on the air, adding, “Mass confusion here, all the doors have been locked. Holy mackerel!”

Pappas was among more than 200 CBS News employees laid off by the company in 1987.
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Ike Pappas Bio
www.televisionnewscenter.org

Journalist, producer and executive Ike Pappas began his professional life as a local (New York) radio reporter and continued on to become an award-winning CBS-News Correspondent, covering many of the major events that shaped global history from the mid 20th Century to the present.

During his 25-year tenure at the network, Pappas was seen on the “CBS Evening News” with both Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather, reporting nightly on events ranging from the battlefields in Vietnam to the Six-Day War in the Middle East, the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., the U.S. Space Program, the CIA and the Defense Department as Chief Pentagon Correspondent. He also served as Congressional and Labor Correspondent.

Pappas’ career has been punctuated by many eyewitness “firsts”, among them the pursuit of Cuban Communist leader Che Guevara in Bolivia, the terrorist bombing of La Guardia Airport and the Israeli invasion of Syria in 1967. He visited more than 40 countries, traveled hundreds of thousands of miles and often put his life on the line while gathering news.

In 1988, he left the network to establish his own video production company, recognized within the industry for its excellence and creativity. Known simply as “Ike Inc.”, the company was merged in 2001 with a video streaming company, which Pappas currently serves as a consultant.

In addition, he continues to write and narrate television documentaries, including “Dreams of Flight: To the Moon and Beyond,” the story of Apollo 11, created for the Public Broadcasting System and Smithsonian Institution Museums and “The Greek Americans,” also for PBS.

Pappas remains in demand as a leading lecturer on college campuses and cruise lines and at national events and business meetings. He is also a staff instructor for Washington’s Television News Center, which prepares students for careers in television and radio news and production.

While attending Long Island University in the early 50’s Pappas edited the student newspaper while also working as a caption writer for United Press International . Pappas began his on-air career in the late 1950’s as a reporter for WNEW-Radio in New York. There, he provided the world with a dramatic account of the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald by Jack Ruby in Dallas, Texas in November, 1963 in the tumultuous days following the assassination of President Kennedy.

His report, done as he stood only inches from Ruby and Oswald, has become an historic broadcast, included in numerous books and recordings and in the permanent collections of the Museum of Broadcasting in New York, The Texas Historical Society and the “Newseum” in Washington, DC.

Additional recognition he has received both in and out of broadcasting include the Ellis Island Medal of Honor, an Emmy nomination, the Silver Circle award of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences , the CINE Golden Eagle, the Intercom Award of the International Film and Video Competition and, among many others, the Medal of St. Paul plus the Order of St. Andrew of the Greek Orthodox Church for his charity work.

Pappas has portrayed himself in four motion pictures, among them “Moon over Parador” with Richard Dreyfuss, “The Package” with Gene Hackman and “Matinee” with John Goodman.

http://www.televisionnewscenter.org/bios/bio-pappas.html

http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/allposts/ike-pappas-cbs-reporter-who-broadcast-oswald-death-dead-at-75was-pappas-a-cia-mockingbird-perception-manager

Ed Jewett
07-04-2011, 01:26 AM
One fallacy in this thread and perhaps others is the attempted application of logic inside an event run by the state security apparati and their friends.

Can we think that they think logically when they deeply immersed in pathological, delusional, cult-like or occult or other forms of bizarre thinking in which they think they can control someone with truth serum, or read his mind, or remotely view his "space" with or without coordinates, or any of a dozen other high weirdnesses?

The impression one gets in reading in depth is that the sponsors, facilitators and high priests are spoiled, inbred, puerile, amoral and lacking in other normal human attributes. Can we really expect them to think logically? Magical thinking, perhaps... or worse.

If Oswald's basement attack was false or faked, perhaps it was because they wanted one or two final pieces of information from him and thought they could squeeze it out of him in a short ambulance ride.

Charles Drago
07-04-2011, 02:10 PM
Calm down, everyone.

As the 50th anniversary approaches, the accessories to JFK's murder will engage in ever more sophisticated disinformation campaigns. Among them will be efforts to lure respected researchers onto paths that lead not to significant evidentiary discoveries, but only to ridicule sufficient to maintain our cultural marginalization.

Speaking of lures: From the Rense story we have this quote --

"'When growing up in Irving, Texas (suburb of Dallas) my neighbor was Dr. Charles Baxter M.D., the Parkland Hospital coordinating surgeon on John Kennedy,' said ["long time JFK truth advocate" Brian David] Andersen. 'On November 23 1974, while I was photographing a hand surgery being conducted by the doctor, Baxter explicated and thoroughly detailed all of the events that occurred related to him regarding the treatment of Kennedy that was purposely excluded from the Warren Commission Report. The truth is so more outlandish than any kind of fiction.'"

Where are our instincts? Does this not all stink?

A certain weakness of our "community" is being exploited here. I speak of a shared tendency to over-complicate scenarios to the point where they are indistinguishable from Hollywood script pitches.

At least one regular poster on DPF -- a person whose intentions are, to my mind, noble -- is disastrously prone to such acts.

As stated elsewhere, I understand that intelligence operations by their nature not only are impervious to dissection by Occam's razor, they are in fact designed to be enhanced by applications thereof.

(To my knowledge, this perspective originates with me. Why has it taken so long to appear? Why has the Occam's razor canard not been previously challenged? Is the struggle more desireable than the victory? But that's a story for another campfire.)

And so we have been handed two new mysteries sure to consume vital energy and taint reputations.

Calm down, everyone.

Betty Chruscielski
07-05-2011, 10:02 PM
I have wondered, how could Ruby kill Oswald in cold blood when they knew each other before the assassination? If Ruby thought, I'll just shoot him with a rubber bullet then we'll take care of him later, it would be a much easier act to carry through. The reason I say a rubber bullet is because on that one picture of Oswald sewn up after the autopsy there is a circular bruise on his left lower rib area. A gunshot leaves a puncture wound not evidence of blunt force trauma.

Charles Drago
07-05-2011, 10:05 PM
That would be the rubber bullet that was seen and captured on camera bouncing around the basement?

By the same token, what's all this I hear about American sausages in Iran?

What?

American hostages ... ?

Never mind.

Betty Chruscielski
07-06-2011, 01:00 AM
That would be the rubber bullet that was seen and captured on camera bouncing around the basement?

By the same token, what's all this I hear about American sausages in Iran?

What?

American hostages ... ?

Never mind.

Your sarcasm is well taken. The rubber bullet thought was far fetched but was trying to think what else would explain the blunt force trauma mark. Maybe an upclose shot would do that.

Bernice Moore
07-07-2011, 02:39 AM
Thanks all for your comments, like i mentioned, i had never thought of this aspect, the no blood, some like Gary macaroni, assumed of course i believed it blah blah, as he does assume soooo much, sorry poo bear..i have just read also of a medical intern or it was a police officer who gave him, what they thought a respiration technique, but he pushed upon his abdomen, which was the worse thing that could have been done, as it pumped out most of his blood, sorry no link, which would have helped kill him, so much faster, it was backed by a docs information also...:cleanears:thanks..b

Betty Chruscielski
07-08-2011, 07:21 PM
Thanks all for your comments, like i mentioned, i had never thought of this aspect, the no blood, some like Gary macaroni, assumed of course i believed it blah blah, as he does assume soooo much, sorry poo bear..i have just read also of a medical intern or it was a police officer who gave him, what they thought a respiration technique, but he pushed upon his abdomen, which was the worse thing that could have been done, as it pumped out most of his blood, sorry no link, which would have helped kill him, so much faster, it was backed by a docs information also...:cleanears:thanks..b
I have heard about the person who pumped on the abdomen, but if you're pumping on the abdomen shouldn't that have pushed the blood out of the puncture wound plus the increase in internal bleeding that it must have obviously caused?