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Bernice Moore
06-17-2011, 12:03 AM
http://news.discovery.com/space/did-the-nazis-have-a-space-program.html#mkcpgn=emnws1

Did the Nazis Have a Space Program?

Jan Klimkowski
06-17-2011, 03:29 PM
Trust Discovery to ask the stupidest and safest question possible.

We need an emoticon/hieroglyph for STRAW MAN.

Magda Hassan
06-18-2011, 01:14 AM
Yes they did and it was called NASA.

Jan Klimkowski
06-18-2011, 10:48 AM
Yes they did and it was called NASA.

:dancingman: :happydrinks:

Magda - you are of course correct.

I made the mistake of reading the Discovery link in the OP....

Charles Drago
06-18-2011, 02:09 PM
Yes they did and it was called NASA.

The greatest compliment of which I'm capable:

I wish I'd come up with it!

Magda Hassan
06-19-2011, 12:57 AM
Thanks guys :bee:

One of my mother's best girlfriends was married to a German Nazi engineer in the V1 and V2 programme. He was captured by the British at the end of the war and sent to Australia where he worked at Woomera on various rocketry (possibly on the British atomic programme which they tested at Maralinga too) The Brits passed him along to NASA where he worked for many years amongst his compatriots. Last I heard he was on the west coast doing some thing with the Navy and dolphins.:shrug: It all seemed so normal at the time......

Ed Jewett
06-19-2011, 01:11 AM
Last I heard he was on the west coast doing some thing with the Navy and dolphins.:shrug: ...

Fa? Pa says ping Ossama.

You mean Obama? (http://neptune.atlantis-intl.com/dolphins/sounds/risso1.mp3)

No, Fa. Ossama, not Obama.

Charles Drago
06-19-2011, 04:49 AM
How about a little Bi-bop?

I own a first American edition of The Day of the Dolphin. If you haven't read it, it's worth a look -- and a revisit if it has been a while. Sort of 70s trendy with its stream of consciousness, and the film left much to be desired (including Trish).

Nazi rocket scientists and dolphins ... which logically should connect to consciousness-altering a la John Lily ...

Ed Jewett
06-19-2011, 05:24 AM
A famous Greek submerged his parts about 2220 years ago and it is said gave us a word for discovery, a way to assay gold, and a treatise on floating bodies. Lilly the psychonaut submerged himself, got a few bad films made about him, may have contributed the idea of sensory deprivation as a part of torture and "mind control", gave us some books which I've tried to understand, and messed with his head a lot. I've talked to my cats at times, but none of them ever answered.

Jan Klimkowski
06-19-2011, 10:20 AM
How about a little Bi-bop?

I own a first American edition of The Day of the Dolphin. If you haven't read it, it's worth a look -- and a revisit if it has been a while. Sort of 70s trendy with its stream of consciousness, and the film left much to be desired (including Trish).

Nazi rocket scientists and dolphins ... which logically should connect to consciousness-altering a la John Lily ...

Much of John C Lilly's dolphin and sensory deprivation work was funded by the Military-Industrial-Complex.

The key question is whether Lilly was witting or unwitting as to the malign use of his research?

Charles Drago
06-19-2011, 12:39 PM
I've talked to my cats at times, but none of them ever answered.

Nobody's purrfect.

Keith Millea
06-19-2011, 03:59 PM
Much of John C Lilly's dolphin and sensory deprivation work was funded by the Military-Industrial-Complex.

The key question is whether Lilly was witting or unwitting as to the malign use of his research?

I actually own one of Lilly's books about sensory deprivation.I was extremely interested in his "sensory deprivation tanks".This was back in the day when I was experimenting with LSD.

My problem was that I was in chronic pain all the time,and this pain would keep me from relaxing enough to enter the "deep self".In his tanks,Lilly would use a heavy salt water solution that would float your body.Small companies sprang up making various types of deprivation tanks.It was years later that I found out Lilly was working as an MK-ULTRA scientist.

Like Jan's question,was he witting or unwitting?I don't know........

Jan Klimkowski
06-19-2011, 08:25 PM
Keith - thank you for sharing those memories.

A supposedly "top secret" US Navy programme resulted in dolphins being used operationally in Cam Ranh Bay, Vietnam, and in the first Iraq War. I can't find my notes on this, but there's a fairly sanitized PBS version here (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/whales/etc/navycron.html).

Keith Millea
06-19-2011, 09:15 PM
A supposedly "top secret" US Navy programme resulted in dolphins being used operationally in Cam Ranh Bay, Vietnam, and in the first Iraq War. I can't find my notes on this, but there's a fairly sanitized PBS version here (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/whales/etc/navycron.html).

A"swimmer nullification program"

From killer dolphins........To killer remote control hummingbirds.....

I think they call it PROGRESS. :moon:

Jan Klimkowski
06-19-2011, 09:21 PM
Story of one of the Navy's Cam Ranh Bay dolphins going "AWOL" here (http://news-science-news.blogspot.com/2011/05/marinebiologyinternational-navy-vet.html).


"The dolphins were deployed at night to small boats called 'Sentry Vehicle Stations' in which the dolphin works," said Goforth. The dolphins each surveyed a 180-degree segment of the bay around the pier using their echo-location senses, which Goforth said are better than any human device. "They (the dolphins) had a paddle at one end of the pen to tell them to search and a 'Yes' and 'No' paddle at the other end," said Goforth. The dolphins got a fish if they saw something and were then released to rout out the enemy swimmer or anyone pretending to be a swimmer for training purposes.

If they found a swimmer, they would approach from behind and hit them with their nose, then return to their station for a fish reward. They never found a real enemy, because the training was carried on in view of the ammunition pier which was crowded with Vietnamese workers, many of whom, Goforth believes, went home and told the Vietcong to find another target.

Goforth said the object was not to kill an enemy diver, but to put him out of commission so he could be captured and interrogated.

One dolphin went AWOL because during the day, South Vietnamese patrolling against enemy swimmers randomly tossed hand grenades into the bay. "The mammal couldn't stand the noise and just took off," said Goforth.

Keith Millea
06-20-2011, 02:04 AM
One dolphin went AWOL because during the day, South Vietnamese patrolling against enemy swimmers randomly tossed hand grenades into the bay. "The mammal couldn't stand the noise and just took off," said Goforth.

Hahaha:

I wonder if the dolphin ended up in LBJ?
(Long Binh Jail)

Sorry getting off topic again....:cleanears: