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Magda Hassan
06-20-2011, 08:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHtuBcmOb7Y&feature=player_embedded#at=1122
Very powerful talk.
http://ted.com (http://ted.com/) Neuroanatomist Jill Bolte Taylor had an opportunity few brain scientists would wish for: One morning, she realized she was having a massive stroke. As it happened -- as she felt her brain functions slip away one by one, speech, movement, understanding -- she studied and remembered every moment. This is a powerful story about how our brains define us and connect us to the world and to one another.

Charles Drago
06-20-2011, 01:31 PM
So who is the observer?

Who's driving the vehicle?

Ed Jewett
06-20-2011, 04:59 PM
I saw this clip years ago, soon after I'd had my own stroke (of a different nature)(hers was a burst-vessel bleed, mine was dislodged plaque); as I watched the video for the first time, I wept, laughed, and cheered. I read the book. I corresponded with the woman. I later asked her an independent question related to the development of a human brian in utero and she answered. My own experience was similar in the sense that, having suffered a stroke and being immobilized in a hospital bed, one's mind has the pleasure of having its left-brain chatter shut down. It is a spiritual experience. It is/was akin to the same message/experience in using HoloSync binaural beat-driven brain wave state, opening up the left/right brain communication and integration.

Charles Drago
06-20-2011, 09:33 PM
She kept referencing "I" when describing the experiences.

"I" or ego is written off by materialists as brain function -- whole-brain function.

Yet her "I" experienced this un-whole brain phenomena -- the same "I," apparently, who/that later shared them with audiences. Yet the materialists' "I" should not have been present during the crisis, should it?

Nor should the materialist "I" be present during NDEs when those sections of the brain allegedly uniquely capable of visual construct and memory are unplugged. Yet "I" subjectively experiences and describes NDEs -- including how they "look.:

So again: Who/what is "I"?

Magda Hassan
06-20-2011, 10:17 PM
Perhaps she just talks that way as she thinks it is easier for that audience to understand. She also just refers to 'energy'.

Ed Jewett
06-20-2011, 10:41 PM
Maybe someone should extend an invitation for her to join the conversation.

http://drjilltaylor.com/

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From Wikipedia:

Movie

"My Stroke of Insight" is being transformed into a major feature film: "Sony Pictures Entertainment and Imagine Entertainment have teamed on My Stroke of Insight, brain scientist Jill Bolte Taylor's memoir about her journey back from a debilitating stroke. Ron Howard has signed on to the direct the film, and he wants Jodie Foster as his star. But Foster isn't formally attached at this point. But Semi Chellas is writing the script and Howard and his Imagine partner Brian Grazer are producing. The author, whose book was published last year by Plume, and Ellen Stiefler will be executive producers."[42]
[edit]Ballet

Cedar Lake Ballet Company made a ballet about My Stroke of Insight called "Orbo Novo." "The piece's title, Orbo Novo, is drawn from a 1493 reference to North America by Spanish historian Pietro Martire d'Anghiera. But the "new world" that Cherkaoui is exploring is current theories about the brain, and the text that the 17 superb dancers speak during the first moments of the 75-minute work comes from My Stroke of Insight, neuroanatomist Jill Bolte Taylor's uncanny recollection of her stroke. The choreography is based on the ramifications of a single resonant idea: the duality between rationality (the left brain) and instinctive, sensual responses (the right brain); between control and the lack of it; between balance and instability, solitude and society." [43] "Thus were the dancers speaking Taylor's words (“My spirit soared free like a great whale gliding through the sea of silent euphoria”), while they physically embodied brain waves and misfiring synapses, with a nod, perhaps, to the double helix: rubbery splayed limbs; über-arched backs; ever-rippling torsos." [44] “‘Orbo Novo’ is a humorous and insightful take on (Taylor’s) story,” said dancer Jubal Battisti. “It has a lot to do with the hemispheres of the brain switching between left and right and what that reveals.” [45]
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Criticism

Some commentators, such as Vaughan Bell[46] , while often acknowledging the quality of the TED talk, have expressed criticism on its scientific content as they question the work of Nobel laureate Roger Sperry and others. Regardless of this criticism, Dr. Taylor is shifting the way the medical community looks at the ability of the brain to recover and is regularly invited by Neurological Departments all over the world to speak about the brain.

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Some critical thinking about the Jill Bolte Taylor video
http://westallen.typepad.com/idealawg/2008/04/some-critical-t.html


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I'm guessing that there is something in CD's comments which parallels this, but part of my own critical thinking is to not insist all the time on logic and rationality, but to allow ample room for other ways of knowing and being.

http://media.snorgtees.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/188x178/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/p/i/piberational_thumbnail.gif

Charles Drago
06-20-2011, 11:42 PM
Perhaps she just talks that way as she thinks it is easier for that audience to understand. She also just refers to 'energy'.

I think it's deeper than that, Maggie.

The "I" is, for me, the irreducible essence, that which is constant and independent -- the observer behind the eyes and distinct from the brain, the demise of which it can witness and, should said demise be reversed, comment upon in physical life.

If personality solely exists in the left hemisphere, what is the "I" that comments upon the left hemisphere's silence/disconnection?

Magda Hassan
06-21-2011, 12:05 AM
Well, it is deep. Very DEEP indeed. Perhaps as deep as it goes. Perhaps not.
She does talk about the hemispheres has having 2 distinct personalities. Not the personality residing in just the left side. It is a different kind of 'I' that resides in the right side.

Magda Hassan
06-21-2011, 12:06 AM
Or perhaps not a different kind of 'I' so much as the same 'I' with different experiences.

Phil Dragoo
06-21-2011, 01:21 AM
It suits materialists' ends to posit no identity or consciousness outside a rigid biochemical state.


And surely no spirit in dust, and no meaning to life save that awarded by the state.


Soviets consigned dissidents to asylums. Orwell's Inner Party O'Brien explained the limits of linguistics.


Zen may lay traps for the ego—I can only infer from a series of koans.


The query “who observes, who experiences” devolves into Bud Abbott in the left brain, Lou Costello in the right.


Heroin will say hahaha, what is the existential angst.


LSD, peyote, mushrooms and the kindred chemicals will offer the same dissolution of the boundary between man and his environment.


Dr. Taylor, that part of the shower not-tile, posits a more peaceful world to be had by more and better choosing of the blending of the parallel and serial processors.


Kierkegaard was on a card I found in the drawer of a dusty drawing table in an unused room in the back of a family pump factory:


Life must be lived forwards but can only be seen in reverse.


So, the right brain lives and the left brain reflects?


Dr. Taylor suggests the hemispheres are totally separate, only connected by 300 million Velcro fibers.


If science suggests only ten per cent of the universe is detectable, the rest dark matter, and ten per cent of the brain's function utilized, the answer to Who Goes There or rather, Who Am I may be as esoteric or familiar as one may decide.


Life is opportunity cost—we are fortunate for every revelation from travelers returning from terra exotica.


Present company included.

Charles Drago
06-21-2011, 01:21 AM
Or perhaps not a different kind of 'I' so much as the same 'I' with different experiences.

The brain as an electro-magnetic containment field for the ... "I" ...

Magda Hassan
06-21-2011, 01:38 AM
.... the answer to Who Goes There or rather, Who Am I may be as esoteric or familiar as one may decide.


Life is opportunity cost—we are fortunate for every revelation from travelers returning from terra exotica.


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Indeed it is Phil. Indeed we are.

Magda Hassan
06-21-2011, 01:41 AM
Or perhaps not a different kind of 'I' so much as the same 'I' with different experiences.

The brain as an electro-magnetic containment field for the ... "I" ...
The all seeing 'I' as well as the all feeling, all knowing and all being 'I'.

Charles Drago
06-21-2011, 01:42 AM
Or perhaps not a different kind of 'I' so much as the same 'I' with different experiences.

The brain as an electro-magnetic containment field for the ... "I" ...
The all seeing 'I' as well as the all feeling, all knowing and all being 'I'.

Me.

Charles Drago
06-21-2011, 01:55 AM
Jazz Singer John Hendricks has interpreted the lyrics to the breathtaking standard "Dancing in the Dark," by Arthur Schwartz and Howard Dietz, as a description of an NDE.

We're dancing in the dark Till the tune ends
We're dancing in the dark and it soon ends
We're waltzing in the wonder of why we're here
Time hurries by, we're here and gone

Looking for the light of a new love
To brighten up the night, I have you love
And we can face the music together
Dancing in the dark

Of course, Dean Martin sang it this way:

We're dancing in the dark
'til the bill's paid ...

The law does not allow for the copyrighting of titles. Accordingly, for a century American songwriters have respected each other's work by voluntarily refraining from stealing titles. It is all about honor and respect.

Not all so-called songwriters, however, are honorable and respectful.

For example: Bruce Springsteen, due to "his" "Dancing in the Dark," now races to mind.

Magda Hassan
06-21-2011, 02:09 AM
Or perhaps not a different kind of 'I' so much as the same 'I' with different experiences.

The brain as an electro-magnetic containment field for the ... "I" ...
The all seeing 'I' as well as the all feeling, all knowing and all being 'I'.

Me.
We.

Ed Jewett
06-21-2011, 02:36 AM
I am That,
Thou art That,
All this is That,
and That alone Is.

from the Vedas, noted in The Book (On The Taboo of Knowing Who You Are),
by Alan Watts

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When you make the two one,
and when you make the inner as the outer
and the outer as the inner
and the above as the below ...
then you shall enter [the Kingdom]....

I am the Light that is above them all,
I am the All,
the All come forth from Me,
and the all attained to Me.

Cleave a [piece of] wood, I am there;
Lift up the stone and you will find me there.

-- attributed to Jesus, in the Coptic Gospel According to Thomas

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He is never born, nor does he die,
Nor having once been, does he
Cease to be. Unborn, eternal,
Everlasting, ancient,
he is not slain when the body is slain.

Weapons cannot cleave him, nor
Fire burn him; Water cannot
Wet him, nor wind dry him away.

He is eternal,all-pervading,
Stable, immovable, Ever the Same.

He is declared to be
Umanifest,
Unthinkable,
Unchangeable.

-- from the Bhagavad Gita

Charles Drago
06-21-2011, 11:18 AM
The brain as an electro-magnetic containment field for the ... "I" ...
The all seeing 'I' as well as the all feeling, all knowing and all being 'I'.

Me.
We.

Me AND We.

Oui?

Personal AND Collective.

Magda Hassan
06-21-2011, 11:57 AM
The all seeing 'I' as well as the all feeling, all knowing and all being 'I'.

Me.
We.

Me AND We.

Oui?

Personal AND Collective.
Si!

Charles Drago
06-21-2011, 01:01 PM
So?

Keith Millea
06-21-2011, 03:10 PM
I am That,
Thou art That,
All this is That,
and That alone Is.

from the Vedas, noted in The Book (On The Taboo of Knowing Who You Are),
by Alan Watts


Reminds me of:

I Am that I Am

Originally from Biblical sources. from Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_that_I_Am)

And then this:

In the Hindu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu) Advaita Vedanta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta), the South Indian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_India) sage Ramana Maharshi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramana_Maharshi) mentions that of all the definitions of God, "none is indeed so well put as the biblical statement “I am that I am”". He maintained that although Hindu scripture contains similar statements, the Mahavakyas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahavakyas), these are not as direct as given in Exodus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus).[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_that_I_Am#cite_note-10) Further the "I am" is explained by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Nisargadatta_Maharaj) as an abstraction in the mind of the Stateless State, of the Absolute, or the Supreme Reality, called Parabrahman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parabrahman): it is pure awareness, prior to thoughts, free from perceptions, associations, memories. Parabrahman is often considered to be a cognate term (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God) for the Supreme Being in Hinduism.

I and I

Rastafarian. from Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafarian_vocabulary)

I and I is a complex term, referring to the oneness of Jah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jah) (God) and every human. Rastafari scholar E. E. Cashmore: "I and I is an expression to totalize the concept of oneness, the oneness of two persons. So God is within all of us and we're one people in fact.

:wavey:

Ed Jewett
06-21-2011, 04:18 PM
The Tao that can be trodden is not the enduring and unchanging Tao. The name that can be named is not the enduring and unchanging name. Having no name, it is the Originator of heaven and earth; having a name, it is the Mother of all things.
Without desire, we can plumb its depths; filled with desire, we can see only its externals. Under these two aspects, it is really the same; but as it develops, it receives the different names. Together we call them the Mystery; where the Mystery is deepest is the gate of all that is subtle and wonderful..... The Tao is the emptiness of a vessel and in our employment of it we must be on guard against all fullness.

Malcolm Pryce
06-21-2011, 08:36 PM
Or perhaps not a different kind of 'I' so much as the same 'I' with different experiences.

The brain as an electro-magnetic containment field for the ... "I" ...

That's a great image. Or the brain as a receiver, like a radio, which 'receives' rather than generates consciousness.

Ed Jewett
06-21-2011, 09:00 PM
Or perhaps not a different kind of 'I' so much as the same 'I' with different experiences.

The brain as an electro-magnetic containment field for the ... "I" ...

That's a great image. Or the brain as a receiver, like a radio, which 'receives' rather than generates consciousness.

It brings to mind Roger Penrose (along with Suart Hameroff who, as Wikipedia says in the entry for Penrose, "have speculated that consciousness is the result of quantum gravity effects in microtubules" but read the rest of that blurb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose) and then Google for "crystalline structures in brain". Radio receivers are crystals, and the mystical third eye (thought to be the pineal gland) contains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland) "a variable quantity of gritty material, called corpora arenacea (or "acervuli," or "brain sand"). Chemical analysis shows that they are composed of calcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, magnesium phosphate, and ammonium phosphate." But see the discussion of Descartes, Spinoza, metaphysics, and philosophy. Finally, Nick Begich, in his book "Controlling the Human Mind", has a catalog of resources he sells through EarthPulse which include a dietary supplement, a proprietary blend of silica hydride (though, other than its stated purpose of keeping the body at an optimal alkaline state, I haven't a clue what he thinks it does for enhanced mental performance.

Ed Jewett
06-22-2011, 07:20 PM
I found this hand-scrawled "note to self", perhaps the title of some forthcoming entity, used as a bookmark in one of the many books currently peppering my space:

Spirit and Intelligence: The Uncertain Wavicle
(Transcendent Interconnectedness and Meaning in the Context of Deep Politics)