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Bernice Moore
07-19-2011, 12:49 PM
Global warming sceptic Lord Monckton told he's not member of House of Lords | Environment | guardian.co.uk (http://guardian.co.uk/) ("GLOBAL WARMING EXPERT') http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jul/18/climate-monckton-member-house-lords

Global Warming hoaxer finally caught. Using swastikas on power point presentations was quite impolite. Good timing during the Rupert Murdoch hearings for minimum press coverage. Sorry Al Gore, you lose again!

Gary Severson
07-27-2011, 03:56 AM
Bernice could you explain your post. Why is Moncton a GW hoaxer and what is the meaning of the ref. to Gore?

Magda Hassan
07-27-2011, 05:09 AM
In this case the hoax is in reference to his eligibility to sit in the House of Lords.

The House of Lords has taken the unprecedented step of publishing a "cease and desist" letter on its website demanding that Lord Christopher Monckton, a prominent climate sceptic and the UK Independence party's head of research, should stop claiming to be a member of the upper house.

The letter, sent by David Beamish, clerk of the parliaments, to Monckton last Friday and now published on the Lords' website, states: "You are not and have never been a member of the House of Lords. Your assertion that you are a member, but without the right to sit or vote, is a contradiction in terms. No one denies that you are, by virtue of your letters patent, a peer. That is an entirely separate issue to membership of the House.

Gary Severson
07-27-2011, 12:23 PM
Why does Al Gore lose again because of Moncton? I must be dense on this one.

Magda Hassan
07-27-2011, 12:30 PM
Bernice will have to fill you in on her thoughts but it looks like Monckton gets all the media even though he seems to be a fake on several levels while others like Gore who are more sure scientific grounds get no media. I don't doubt global warming is occurring but I have reservations about both sides motives in the debate. Or at least some of the people and groups involved.

Gary Severson
07-27-2011, 02:35 PM
Thanks Magda. Seems to me though Bernice has sided here with the GW skeptics so it looks to me like she is not really sorry for Gore. Hope I'm wrong.

Greg Burnham
07-27-2011, 03:44 PM
Personally, I have sided with skeptics and I am not sorry for Gore.

Gary Severson
07-27-2011, 04:27 PM
I know that Greg. I wish we had more time to talk in Dallas last year.

Albert Doyle
07-27-2011, 05:09 PM
I wonder how people who side with the skeptics deal with the Arctic ice cap that is presently melting-away at a record pace?

Gary Severson
07-27-2011, 05:13 PM
They say it is normal or not actually happening. Ask my Eskimo relatives. I kind of mean literally since my maternal Norsk great- great grandparents came from above the Norwegian Arctic Circle.

Greg Burnham
07-27-2011, 08:46 PM
The Crown Jewel of Global Warming is a Fake
By Art Horn, Meteorologist

For two decades now we have been told over and over again that global warming is melting the world glaciers and this will flood coastal cities and farmland and in fact it’s happening now! The historic and unprecedented flooding will displace millions if not billions of people and wreak havoc with the global economy, not to mention nature. This apocalyptic proclamation, the crown jewel of global warming alarmists has been the primary rallying cry in the effort to “stop global warming” by shutting down the carbon based energy producing companies of the world. This is the ultimate goal of the hundreds of environmental groups across the globe. The big problem with all of this is that the dazzling jewel of disaster has been proven to be a fake. A couple of satellites turned it over and found a big crack.

In its latest 2007 climate assessment report number 4 the IPCC states that sea level increased at a rate of about 13.5 inches during the 20th century. This number is considerably higher than the 6.7 inch per century rate derived from tidal gauges around the world. David Burton found the rate of rise from tide gauges to be only 2.4 inches per century. Data from the TOPEX/Poseidon satellite mission launched in 1992 indicated a 12.2 inch per century rate based on data from 1993 to 2005.

In its latest report the IPCC has predicted sea level will rise as little as 7 inches to as much as 118 inches (ten feet) by the year 2100. Some are predicting much greater rises. Recently Fen Montaigne a senior editor at Yale Environment 360 wrote that if the west Antarctic ice sheet melts sea level will rise 16 to 20 feet. Al Gore is predicting a 20 foot sea level rise by 2100. Dr. James Hansen of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies is predicting the possibility of an 82 foot rise by 2100. These frightening predictions are the crown jewel of the global warming establishment.

The degree of sea level rise from these predictions ranges from no change from the current rate, about 7 inches per century to somewhere around 20 feet of rise by 2100. The alarmists are quick to point out that things could get much worse if the IPCC’s worst case scenarios come true. Currently ocean expansion is the primary cause of sea level rise. This expansion is a response to the small amount of warming that has taken place in the last 150 years, about 1 degree Fahrenheit. The alarmist community feels confident that predictions of the climate, of which much is still not understood, will be accurate 100 years into the future. Based on these “accurate predictions” sea level could rise dramatically based on the current rate of rise and forecast increases.

There is a problem with all these predictions. It’s the data released from the GRACE (Gravity Recovery And Climate Experiment) tandem satellite system. The analysis has revealed a large and obvious crack in the supposedly impenetrable crown jewel of global warming. The data reveal that global sea level is rising at a rate of .04 inches per year. This equates to 4.0 inches per century. This rate is far lower than the IPCC’s rate of 13.5 inches per century and well below the TOPEX/Poseidon rate of 12.2 inches per century. What this means is that real world data is showing that the threat of long term massive sea level rise is a no show. The satellite data says there has been no acceleration of sea level rise and in fact the rate of rise is three times lower than the most recent IPCC assessment.

Despite all the TV news stories, documentaries, newspaper headlines, magazine articles, pleas from environmental groups, highway billboards, university studies and international climate change conference reports there is no sign of rapid sea level rise, none. It’s all a prediction of what might happen, not of what is happening. Television networks need ratings, newspapers and magazines need readers, universities, environmental groups and climate conferences need funding. Scary stories of coastal cities gulping for air as the oceans wash over them creates a morbid sense of fascination that attracts both audiences and money.

The alarmist climate change industry will combat this data and its results. The results will be attacked, revised and contorted to keep the threat alive and the money flowing. Most of the time the attackers use the assumption that the future predictions of global temperature rise are correct. There is no evidence that this is even remotely true. The real inconvenient truth is that the earth’s temperature has been falling for 3,000 years as revealed by the Greenland ice core data (below).

http://www.iceagenow.com/GISP2%20Ice%20Core.jpg

Current temperature changes are but tiny blips in the overall cooling. The temperature has dropped some 3.75 degrees Fahrenheit since the Minoan Warm Period some 3,300 years ago. The ultimate irony will be that if the long term trend continues shivering future generations may look back and wonder why we saw warming when the next ice age was staring us in the face.

The global warming monster that feeds on the dying carcass of man made global warming will continue to scare people as long as it can. It will continue to devour billions of dollars until it ultimately chokes of its own gluttony. Unfortunately many innocent people may be hurt before the beast is dead. The threat of massive sea level rise has been the primary weapon of fear for those looking to control how we make energy and who rules the world. For those who can see clearly the crown jewel is in full sight and the evidence says it’s a fake.

Gary Severson
07-28-2011, 01:24 AM
Off the top of my head I think it is accurate to say that Glacier National Park has about 25 of its 150 glaciers left after the last 100 yrs. of melting. That probably isn't noticeable in sea level rise but it is visible to everyone and is like a Canary in the coal mine.