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Bernice Moore
07-22-2011, 09:23 PM
1976 : CIA Warned That Global Cooling Would Kill Us All

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/1976-cia-warned-that-global-killing-would-kill-us-all/

Greg Burnham
07-22-2011, 10:03 PM
1976 : CIA Warned That Global Cooling Would Kill Us All

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/1976-cia-warned-that-global-killing-would-kill-us-all/

Ah yes. Malthusian Darwinism at its finest!

Phil Dragoo
07-22-2011, 11:47 PM
We find that, since 1945, the Northern Hemisphere has cooled one half of one degree Celsius

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http://www.motherearthnews.com/nature-community/dr-reid-bryson.aspx (http://www.motherearthnews.com/nature-community/dr-reid-bryson.aspx)



Actually, the thermostat in Room 101 is not connected to anything except Anthony Hopkins' spooky sound.

Gary Severson
07-27-2011, 04:11 AM
1976 : CIA Warned That Global Cooling Would Kill Us All

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/1976-cia-warned-that-global-killing-would-kill-us-all/

Seems like it has come true Bernice. Scientists have always said MMGW would mean extremes would happen as frequencies would also increase. All we've heard for the last 10 yrs. at least is snow where it shouldn't be.

Gary Severson
07-27-2011, 04:19 AM
Actually climatologists believe that the next advance of the present ice age should have started but MMGW has actually delayed its onset by probably 1000 yrs. I say that because the IPCC says the present warming will last that long.

Greg Burnham
07-27-2011, 04:30 AM
1976 : CIA Warned That Global Cooling Would Kill Us All

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/1976-cia-warned-that-global-killing-would-kill-us-all/

Seems like it has come true Bernice. Scientists have always said MMGW would mean extremes would happen as frequencies would also increase. All we've heard for the last 10 yrs. at least is snow where it shouldn't be.

Jul 24, 2011
How it Got So Hot…How it Got So Humid…How cooling may have played a role
By Joseph D’Aleo , CCM, AMS Fellow, WeatherBell.com

The southern plains drought, followed the second strongest La Nina (behind only 1917/18) according to the Southern Oscillation Index (SOI), an atmospheric pressure based measure (standardized Darwin, Australia versus Tahiti surface pressure). Positive values are La Nina, negative El Ninos. The April to April SOI showed the 1917/18 peak and 2010/11 close behind.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/SOI_APR_to_APR.jpg

1917/18 was a very cold winter, coldest La Nina on record. It wasdry in the winter and spring in the south and east. Like this year late in the winter it warmed in the southeast. Summer heat developed in 1918 in early August when Baltimore reached 105F on successive days, The drought in Texas that year ranked neck and neck with 2011. This past winter started out very cold even down to Florida (coldest ever December and January) and ended warm southeast February and March and now the late July heat wave.

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Ironically check out this story on ChristChurch, NZ:Christchurch: second coldest day since 1918 --

Christchurch cold snap ‘shocker’ - Local News - Star Canterbury

Mrs Griffith said the country was in the middle of what was traditionally the two coldest months of the year but it was rare that Christchurch should experience the second coldest day since 1918.

Dumps of up to 30cm and 15cm were recorded around the city on Monday, with a maximum temperature of 1.9 deg C. It was the second coldest day since -1.2 deg C was recorded at the Botanical Gardens on July 21, 1918.

An event like this happens about once or twice in a century, said Mrs Griffiths.

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It was unlike 1917/18, very wet in the Ohio and Mid-Mississippi Valley and northwestern plains and Rockies where it left a deep snowpack. It might have been wetter because unlike 1917/18 the US was cooling not warming. The US has been cooling the last decade in winters.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/winters_last_decade_in_US.jpg

This cooling has enhanced the snowfall. 20010/11 ranked 3rd snowiest for the Northern Hemisphere behind 1977/78 and 2009/10 and just ahead of 2007/08. The last decade was the snowiest decade on record for the hemisphere as temperatures cooled.

The deep snow in the north and dry warmth in the south enhanced the storm track and produced tornadoes in April and May (with April to big month) and a ton of rain along the Ohio and Mid Mississippi Rivers and also in the north on the Red and later the Missouri River. The flood on the Mississippi was worst since 1927. Many locations in the wet areas had surpluses of over 20 inches while in the dry areas of the south they had deficits exceed 20 inches for the 6 month period.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/180day_DFN_Prec_072411.jpg

The Missouri is still in flood.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/MISSOURI_RIVER_FLOOD.jpg

The heat wave that made the news this week was actually a result of both the dry and moist conditions.

Heat tends to build over drought areas like we saw this year in Texas and Oklahoma. Drought begets drought. Dry air precludes clouds, which allows for more sun which warms even more, a positive feedback. This process often leads to what forecasters call a heat ridge or mound of hot air extending far up into the atmosphere. Like a rock in a stream, much like a blocking high in high latitude it forces systems around it. The heat can get picked up by disturbances around the edges and feed instability and strong thunderstorm complexes. Forecasters refer to this as the ring-of-fire. It has operated for many weeks. Here is a picture of the ring-of-fire on July 8, 2011 as forecast by the GFS model. I could have picked most any day.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Ring_of_fire_12zgfs.jpg

When dynamic factors like cool air diving south off the west coast where they have a year without a summer has a compensating downstream push north of warm air. This hot air moves over saturated or even flooded fields and lush vegetation. The plants like us humans transpire moisture from their stomata in the leaves (like pores in our skin). This process is an attempt to cool the plant and our body. That process raises the dewpoint (a measure of actual moisture contenjt) in the air. This makes hot temperatures even more uncomfortable.

The NWS has been stressing the heat indices justifiably so just as they do the wind chill in winter because that affects how a person feels. When the air is dry and body or plant is able to easily evaporate moisture, it can stay cooler. To enter the vapor state, the moisture needs heat and extracts it from the evaporating surface- the leaf or you skin. That process can dehyrdate the soil moisture and your body. On a very hot day, soils can lose up to a third of an inch a day. When it is very humid, this mechanism is less effective. Likewise on cold days in winter when the winds blow, they strip away air molecules warmed by contact with your skin and make you feel colder.

In Morehead, MN, the dewpoint when temperature last week rose to 93F rose to an incredible 87.8F. That made the heat Index 134F, equivalent to the US temperature record set in Death Valley in 1913. But it wasn�t 134F, it just felt that way according at least to this one index. The dewpoint is shown below - purple is over 80F. Some media headlines and cable nitwits said it was 123 or 134F in MN.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Td.jpg

This led to elevated nighttime temperatures. In fact 72.5% of the record highs (and 65% of all record temperatures) set the last 8 days were not highest maximum temperature but highest nightttime low temperatures.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Recrods_last_8_days.jpg

How does this translate into the record heat in the east Friday?

Well Friday, that air mass came east. Not only was it warm to begin with but the convection to the west added latent heat to the air as the rising air condensed into clouds and precipitation. When that super warm air aloft got carried east on strong west to northwest winds and subsided downslope from the mountains it warmed even more by compression - about 10F. Sinking and warming cleared out any clouds and haze and enhanced the solar factor. The eastern big cities all get the 100F days when wind are blowing downslope.

In a more typical summer, when the Bermuda high is dominant, the cities suffer the dog days of summer - triple H weather - hot, hazy and humid upper 80s to low 90s. Hot and sticky but not record setting. Often on those days the sea breeze kicks in along the coast as southwest winds turn more southeast from the cooler water. In the strong west to northwest wind case, that sea breeze is shut off. That same heat ridge in the south central has suppressed the Bermuda high by causing downstream trough off the east coast. That explains the many fine days in the east in between the taste of heat in early June and the 3 day heat wave in late July.

Heavy thunderstorms have continued in the ring of fire area this week as the heat eased. Chicago set a record with 6.86 inches of rain at Ohare Saturday. That turned a dry July into the second wettest on record and likely to become the wettest July with more showers expected this week. Only 0.54 inches is needed.

Gary Severson
07-27-2011, 04:50 AM
Greg, I agree the Decadal Oscillation has the effects described. I think the point is though that extremes are enhanced and frequencies increase. I haven't missed a Mn. winter in 64 yrs. I'm like the Eskimo with 50 names for snow. Most of those winters I have lived in as an outdoor hockey player, ice fisher etc. and I see the patterns changing in a dramatic way toward warmer shorter winters & longer hotter summers.

Greg Burnham
07-27-2011, 04:02 PM
Greg, I agree the Decadal Oscillation has the effects described. I think the point is though that extremes are enhanced and frequencies increase. I haven't missed a Mn. winter in 64 yrs. I'm like the Eskimo with 50 names for snow. Most of those winters I have lived in as an outdoor hockey player, ice fisher etc. and I see the patterns changing in a dramatic way toward warmer shorter winters & longer hotter summers.

Even if your observation is true--although the record does not bear that out--64 years is not even a blink of the geological eye.

I have a rather large CIA file that was published in the 1970's in which the concern was NOT what you claim, i.e., enhanced extremes and increased frequencies. Rather, it was spelled out in plain English: the danger was from Man Made GLOBAL COOLING. Period. It said nothing whatsoever about global warming--nothing. It said nothing about anything that you have just spoken about. It was clear and simple, the problem was GLOBAL COOLING due to human contamination of the atmosphere.

I repeat: The topic of this thread is the CIA's warning about GLOBAL COOLING. We have the proof of what they said then and about how ill advised their warning turned out to be. The parallel to the new "Church of Global Warming" is spooky--no pun intended.

You and I have been through this before, Gary. Your behavior on JFKresearch Forum was atrocious due to your increasingly disruptive behavior about MMGW. It is disingenuous for you to CHANGE what is said in the report into something that is more in line with your own beliefs. The report says what it says, not what you say it says.

I think you have some sort of vested interest in Global Warming Alarmism, I just haven't figured out what it is yet.

Gary Severson
07-27-2011, 04:53 PM
My vested interest is my children & grandchildren. That's it. As I posted yesterday someplace on this site Chinese coal plants have decreased MMGW by 1/3 because of sulfur dioxide in the stratosphere blocking incoming solar radiation. When they put high tech scrubbers on their plants we will see a spike in troposphere temps. So yes we have caused global cooling again which was mistaken in the 70s as an isolated process since MMGW wasn't as clear as a part of the equation as it is now. Yes, climatologists in the 70s were expecting a return of the ice age which is true but it is now clear human CO2 activity is enough accd. to them, not me, that glacial formation has temporarily been reversed. As far as my behavior at JFK Research I simply stood my ground and weathered the storm of 4 letter invectives dished out by you guys and never did I go there even when I was told I was excommunicated from the church for awhile.

Greg Burnham
07-28-2011, 12:10 AM
Fair enough, Gary. We have the same vested interest--the well being of our children and our grandchildren.

We may never see eye-to-eye on this one, but I respect where your heart is at.

Phil Dragoo
07-30-2011, 01:02 AM
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Gary Severson
07-30-2011, 01:29 PM
MMGW scientists have taken into consideration all of the points made about geological history on the website these TIME mag. covers come from. They have all been factored into the hypothesis that man is the prime factor in the present rapid heating of the atmosphere. Everyone needs to read THE DISCOVERY OF GLOBAL WARMING by Spencer R.Weart, Harvard U. Press, 2008. Weart is the Director of the Center for the History of Physics of the American Institute of Physics. Until one sees the larger picture he presents it seems reasonable to buy into the concepts of glacial history to explain climate change.
If we are lucky our timing for accidentally heating up the atmosphere will coincide with falling temps of a returning ice age and we will come out smelling like a rose. At present though, worldwide, we are adding CO2 at the rate of 95 million tons per day which is too much too fast and we will destroy civilization sooner than if it was a returning ice age doing the deed.

Bernice Moore
07-31-2011, 03:28 AM
i guess i lost my reply, anyhoo, hello gary good to see you out and about, this topic will go on forever i hope all realise...:dance:it has in the past, but good to see it being discussed, hope all are well, and take care.here is ICEBERG ALLEY FOR YOU..:bee:

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