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Jan Klimkowski
08-07-2011, 08:08 PM
Photos of Saturday night's rioting, which included the torching of two police cars, a double-decker red London bus, and several businesses and homes, can be seen here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/gallery/2011/aug/07/tottenham-hit-by-riots-pictures).

Some of the looting was criminal opportunism: a computer store (PC World) and a sports goods store selling trainers etc were amongst the first shops broken into and emptied.

However, there's also anger in the community after a local man, Mark Duggan, was shot dead by Scotland Yard firearms officers on Thursday.

The official police story is as follows:

Man shot dead by police in north London during attempted arrest

Mark Duggan died instantly at scene as 'exchange of fire' heard with police after Trident officers stopped minicab

Sandra Laville, crime correspondent guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/05/man-shot-police-london-arrest), Friday 5 August 2011 20.16 BST

A father of three died instantly after an apparent exchange of fire when police attempted to arrest him in north London, it emerged on Friday.

A police marksman escaped with his life when a bullet lodged in his radio during the confrontation that ended in the death of Mark Duggan, 29. The Scotland Yard firearms officer was taken to hospital and later released.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission, which is investigating the fatal shooting, said the bullet and a non-police-issue handgun found at the scene had been sent for forensic tests.

IPCC investigators believe two shots were fired by an armed officer. A spokesman for the IPCC said that at around 6.15pm on Thursday officers from Operation Trident, the Metropolitan police unit that deals with gun crime in London's black communities, with officers from the Specialist Firearms Command (CO19), stopped a minicab to carry out a pre-planned arrest.

"Shots were fired and a 29-year-old man, who was a passenger in the cab, died at the scene," said the spokesman. Photographic and forensic examination was continuing, and a search for CCTV footage was continuing, the spokesman said. A postmortem examination would be carried out as soon as possible.

IPCC commissioner Rachel Cerfontyne said: "Fatal shootings by the police are extremely rare and understandably raise significant community concerns."

The dead man's girlfriend, Semone Wilson, 29, said she had received a text message from him shortly before the shooting. "At about 6pm he sent out a message on his BlackBerry saying 'The Feds are following me', and that's it. That's the last time anyone heard from him."

As the IPCC appealed for witnesses, conflicting accounts of the shooting emerged. One man told the London Evening Standard he had seen officers shoot a man on the ground. But others said a shot was fired from the cab before police returned fire.

The scene was visited by David Lammy, the MP for the area, who said: "I am shocked and deeply worried by this news. There is now a mood of anxiety in the local community but everyone must remain calm. It is encouraging that the Independent Police Complaints Commission has immediately taken over the investigation. There is a need to clarify the facts and to move quickly to allay fears."

"It is very important that our community remains calm and allows the investigation to take its course."

Jay Crowned, 39, who lives locally, last night described the dead man as "a local boy who was loved by the community".

"The whole family is devastated," she said, adding that he had been feeling down since a friend was killed this year.

"His friend was like a brother and he lost him brutally. Since then he's been really down."

Now, the same Guardian crime correspondent is reporting the following:

Initial ballistics tests on the bullet that lodged in a police officer's radio when Mark Duggan died on Thursday night show it was a police issue bullet, the Guardian understands.

The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/07/tottenham-riots-police-duggan-live)'s crime correspondent, Sandra Laville, reports:

The revelation will fuel the fury in Tottenham about the killing of Mark Duggan by armed officers.

It also undermines suggestions that there was an exchange of fire between Duggan and the police before he died.

The bullet which was found lodged in the radio of one of the officers at the scene is still undergoing forensic tests. But reliable sources have said the first ballistics examinations suggested it was a police issue bullet.

These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.

The early suggestion from the IPCC was that the Met officers had returned fire after someone in the minicab opened fire. But the result of the ballistics early test suggests both shots fired came from the police.

Duggan's family are also claiming that whilst he was carrying a gun, it was still in his sock when he was shot dead.

Tottenham could be about to burn again....

David Butler
08-07-2011, 09:17 PM
It seems to have spread to Enfield tonight according to people tweeting...Cars on fire and shops looted. No real MSM coverage apart from Sky News who seem to have finally decided to report it....

David Butler
08-08-2011, 08:13 PM
This is all kicking off again tonight and appears to have spread outside of London to Birmingham as well now....Plenty on UK news sites like the BBC and Sky

Of course David Cameron feels no need to cut short his holiday as the capital burns and the world questions whether we are fit to host the Olympics next year..

Jan Klimkowski
08-08-2011, 09:02 PM
This is all kicking off again tonight and appears to have spread outside of London to Birmingham as well now....Plenty on UK news sites like the BBC and Sky

Of course David Cameron feels no need to cut short his holiday as the capital burns and the world questions whether we are fit to host the Olympics next year..

PM "call me Dave" Cameron, and Buffoon Boris, the Mayor of London, are both now "interrupting their holidays" and "flying back" to Blighty.

The most useful thing they could do is don a firefighter's uniform and start hosing down some blazing buildings.

Check any English newspaper website for the technicolour pyromania and looting.

Jan Klimkowski
08-08-2011, 09:45 PM
London, we have a problem....

London riots: how did the Metropolitan police lose control of the capital?

The Met's public order unit CO11 left bruised, exhausted and, for second night running, out-manoeuvred by rioters and looting

Paul Lewis and Ben Quinn guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/08/london-riots-met-police-tactics), Monday 8 August 2011 19.15 BST

The Metropolitan police's embattled public order unit, CO11, once prided itself on being the world leader in containing disorder. At 3am yesterday, its exhausted officers slept in police vans lined up in Enfield town centre, bruised, exhausted and, for the second night running, entirely out-manoeuvred.

For hours they had been chasing groups of youths around Enfield, Ponders End and Edmonton, in north London, using dogs and batons to disperse anyone seen looting shops.

Any doubt that police were unable to control the violence was dispelled hours later, around 5pm yesterday, amid further outbreaks of looting in Hackney and other areas of the capital in broad daylight.

The home secretary, Theresa May, who flew home from holiday to deal with the fallout from the riots, will have asked commanders of the UK's largest police force: how did you lose control of London?

For the third day running, CO11's territorial support group (TSG), nicknamed the "Muscle of the Met", suffered the humiliation of requiring support from colleagues in neighbouring forces.

Some will rightly claim police cannot hope to contend with hundreds of roaming youths intent on causing destruction and breaking into unprotected properties in the middle of the night.

That challenge has been exacerbated since disturbances started on Saturday, initially limited to one street in Tottenham and, later in the night, Wood Green.

The contagion that saw looting spread across a 10-mile stretch of London in the early hours of Monday poses obvious resource issues. Analysts argued the Met suffered from a combination of bad luck, poor intelligence and overstretched forces. But there may be more long-standing and tactical reasons for its failure to quell the violence.

In Tottenham on Saturday police were accused of failing to open dialogue with protesters who had gathered outside the police station following the fatal shooting of Mark Duggan.

"Years ago there would have been a lot of dialogue," said David Gilbertson, formerly a Metropolitan police division chief superintendent at Tottenham. "We would have gone out of our way to ensure that the organisers of a protest group would have been brought into a station like that even if others were stood outside."

It took hours for police to change from regular uniforms to riot gear, and even longer for them to begin almost half-hearted attempts at preventing looting.

Officers concentrated almost all their efforts in regaining the territory on the high road, lost during the earlier protest.

There were hardly any attempts to prevent looting, with police only marching in formation and sealing off roads.

"You have an obligation to protect life and property and to do that you need to have a strategy," Gilbertson said. "The simplest thing to say is that you don't let groups gather. If it has gone beyond that then you drive them beyond where they are likely to cause damage. There are some blindingly obvious places you don't let them get near, such as shopping areas."

But there is a problem. During the last decade CO11 has mainly been restricted to dealing with protest. Pre-announced political demonstrations, which are either officially advertised or promoted via Twitter, allow police to plan in advance.

It is common for police to begin with a low-profile presence, wearing high-visibility jackets and soft hats; rows of TSG backup will usually be parked in nearby back streets. At larger protests CO11 will ensure metal barriers are erected, in an attempt to confine groups. Surveillance officers will be placed on roofs; plainclothes officers mingle in the crowd.

The Met's preferred tactic in recent years has been the controversial "kettle", in which large numbers of police are drafted in to contain protesters, sometimes for hours on end.

But roaming groups of youths cannot be effectively kettled. And unlike activists they will often return to the site of trouble, seeking direct confrontation with police.

The looters appear to have been more savvy. Large groups targeting shops have been melting into a nearby estate in seconds at the first sound of sirens arriving.

By the time looting began in other parts of north London and in Brixton in the south on Sunday, police had changed their approach. Large numbers in protective gear were on the scene with shields and batons waiting for trouble.

Mounted police officers were used to disperse youths as soon as trouble began. There were more than a dozen dog-handlers in Enfield alone. Police pursued groups as they travelled en masse through London, reacting quickly to any sign of looting by sprinting in and baton-charging everyone in the vicinity.

"The dog is gonna bite you, get back," one officer shouted as men attacked a shopfront. It was a generally heavier approach; another officer shouted: "Fucking move or you'll fucking get it."

That tough approach could backfire. "What you have in a riot is a series of people with different commitments," said Dr Peter Shirlow, an expert in Northern Ireland policing at Queen's University Belfast.

"You will have the hardline, which is intent upon violence, you will have onlookers and you will have those who may be relatively sympathetic. What happens is that if the police are harsh with those who are more militant then you simply draw in those who are mildly connected, but still connected to those who are willing to use violence."

So far the more heavy-handed and reactive policing strategy failed to prevent looting, although it has arguably prevented the kind of sustained attacks that caused huge fires in Tottenham on Saturday.

When riot vans lined a shopping centre in Edmonton Green after it was announced as a target for midnight on Sunday, groups of youths were simply diverted into side streets, finding smaller businesses to attack. Police were in tow, but always a minute or two after the damage had been done.

The seeming impossibility of controlling the looting leads to another question: if brute force won't stop the disorder, could there have been a better approach to hearts and minds?

The dire relations between young people and "the Feds", as some call police in north London, has been obvious in recent days. "We hate you," one woman told a police officer who had come to attend to her stabbed friend in Ponders End.

While most of the BBM – BlackBerry Messenger – communications imploring others to take part in the protest have concentrated on looting and theft, many have encouraged people to "Guck da Fed".

There is a sense that, through widespread looting, young people have discovered a way to beat their police adversaries.

One BBM message said: "What ever ends your from put your ballys on link up and cause havic, just rob everything.Police can't stop it."

Dr Michael Rosie, a senior lecturer in sociology at the University of Edinburgh, said: "A key lesson to be learned, as in all such instances, is that communication is fundamental. Police seemed taken by surprise by the rapid escalation in Tottenham – that suggests that they need to be more proactive in talking to, liaising with, the community."

David Butler
08-08-2011, 11:32 PM
Some horror stories on now of private houses now being attacked. Police not answering calls and nowhere to be seen...Telegraph is saying that the Ledbury Michelin star restaurant in Notting Hill was raided and the customers mugged...Photo's on Twitter claiming to be the police station in Handsworth Birmingham in flames...David Cameron's Big Society working out nicely

Ed Jewett
08-09-2011, 01:19 AM
Photos from Cryptome:


Ed Jewett
08-09-2011, 01:26 AM
"Live blog [ http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/08/london-riots-third-night-live ] covering the London Riots (3rd night and spreading). Each group appears to be about 150 strong. They disperse quickly when challenged. Reassemble quickly at a new location via SMS texting (Blackberry). Locations of riots in London (see Google map: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ll=51.558503,-0.055275&msa=0&msid=207192798388318292131.0004aa01af6748773e8f7&spn=0.114195,0.298691 )



Magda Hassan
08-09-2011, 01:55 AM
Look like the police are on a go slow against the proposed cuts. Saw Ken Livingstone saying much the same thing too when interviewed on the Beeb.

Looks bloody scary from the images. So many poor people have lost their homes. Seems they are trying to blame 'anarchists' for the flames. I think it is arsonists. Could even be police. No proof in either case. Lots of damage to clean up and many lives ruined.

Magda Hassan
08-09-2011, 03:35 AM

Ed Jewett
08-09-2011, 04:11 AM
## UK ##
Windows smashed in Birmingham as youths gather
London riots spread south of Thames
Potent mix of cuts, unemployment could fuel more UK riots
London riots: all incidents mapped in Tottenham, Brixton, Hackney, Lewisham and Greater London
Negative equity affects 827,000 households, lenders say
Flights hit by air traffic delays
Agricultural theft on the rise, says rural insurer
Rural crime costs farmers in the East £8m
"Insurer NFU Mutual said 'agri-crime' was up 18% for the year, with heating oil, diesel, tools and quad bikes the top targets for thieves."
London firefighters stretched to breaking point by riot blazes
London riots: send in water cannon to clear streets, Theresa May told
London riots: Police communications system struggles to keep up

From http://ricefarmer.blogspot.com/2011/08/news-links-august-9-2011.html
(links active there)

Magda Hassan
08-09-2011, 04:13 AM
Panic on the streets of London.
I’m huddled in the front room with some shell-shocked friends, watching my city burn. The BBC is interchanging footage of blazing cars and running street battles in Hackney, of police horses lining up in Lewisham, of roiling infernos that were once shops and houses in Croydon and in Peckham. Last night, Enfield, Walthamstow, Brixton and Wood Green were looted; there have been hundreds of arrests and dozens of serious injuries, and it will be a miracle if nobody dies tonight. This is the third consecutive night of rioting in London, and the disorder has now spread to Leeds, Liverpool, Bristol and Birmingham. Politicians and police officers who only hours ago were making stony-faced statements about criminality are now simply begging the young people of Britain’s inner cities to go home. Britain is a tinderbox, and on Friday, somebody lit a match. How the hell did this happen? And what are we going to do now?

In the scramble to comprehend the riots, every single commentator has opened with a ritual condemnation of the violence, as if it were in any doubt that arson, muggings and lootings are ugly occurrences. That much should be obvious to anyone who is watching Croydon burn down on the BBC right now. David Lammy, MP for Tottenham, called the disorder 'mindless, mindless'. Nick Clegg denounced it as 'needless, opportunistic theft and violence'. Speaking from his Tuscan holiday villa, Prime Minister David Cameron – who has finally decided to return home to take charge - declared simply that the social unrest searing through the poorest boroughs in the country was "utterly unacceptable." The violence on the streets is being dismissed as ‘pure criminality,’ as the work of a ‘violent minority’, as ‘opportunism.’ This is madly insufficient. It is no way to talk about viral civil unrest. Angry young people with nothing to do and little to lose are turning on their own communities, and they cannot be stopped, and they know it. Tonight, in one of the greatest cities in the world, society is ripping itself apart.

Violence is rarely mindless. The politics of a burning building, a smashed-in shop or a young man shot by police may be obscured even to those who lit the rags or fired the gun, but the politics are there. Unquestionably there is far, far more to these riots than the death of Mark Duggan, whose shooting sparked off the unrest on Saturday, when two police cars were set alight after a five-hour vigil at Tottenham police station. A peaceful protest outside over the death of a man at police hands, in a community where locals have been given every reason to mistrust the forces of law and order, is one sort of political statement. Raiding shops for technology and trainers that cost ten times as much as the benefits you’re no longer entitled to is another. A co-ordinated, viral wave of civil unrest across the poorest boroughs of Britain, with young people coming from across the capital and the country to battle the police, is another.

Months of conjecture will follow these riots. Already, the internet is teeming with racist vitriol and wild speculation. The truth is that very few people know why this is happening. They don’t know, because they were not watching these communities. Nobody has been watching Tottenham since the television cameras drifted away after the Broadwater Farm riots of 1985. Most of the people who will be writing, speaking and pontificating about the disorder this weekend have absolutely no idea what it is like to grow up in a community where there are no jobs, no space to live or move, and the police are on the streets stopping-and-searching you as you come home from school. The people who do will be waking up this week in the sure and certain knowledge that after decades of being ignored and marginalised and harassed by the police, after months of seeing any conceivable hope of a better future confiscated, they are finally on the news. In one NBC report, a young man in Tottenham was asked if rioting really achieved anything:

"Yes," said the young man. "You wouldn't be talking to me now if we didn't riot, would you?"

"Two months ago we marched to Scotland Yard, more than 2,000 of us, all blacks, and it was peaceful and calm and you know what? Not a word in the press. Last night a bit of rioting and looting and look around you."

Eavesdropping from among the onlookers, I looked around. A dozen TV crews and newspaper reporters interviewing the young men everywhere ‘’’

There are communities all over the country that nobody paid attention to unless there had recently been a riot or a murdered child. Well, they’re paying attention now.

Tonight in London, social order and the rule of law have broken down entirely. The country has been brought to a standstill; it is not safe to go out onto the streets, and where I am in Holloway, the violence is coming closer. As I write, the looting and arson attacks have spread to at least fifty different areas across the UK, including dozens in London, and communities are now turning on each other, with the Guardian reporting on rival gangs forming battle lines. It has become clear to the disenfranchised young people of Britain, who feel that they have no stake in society and nothing to lose, that they can do what they like tonight, and the police are utterly unable to stop them. That is what riots are all about.

Riots are about power, and they are about catharsis. They are not about poor parenting, or youth services being cut, or any of the other snap explanations that media pundits have been trotting out: structural inequalities, as a friend of mine remarked today, are not solved by a few pool tables. People riot because it makes them feel powerful, even if only for a night. People riot because they have spent their whole lives being told that they are good for nothing, and they realise that together they can do anything – literally, anything at all. People to whom respect has never been shown riot because they feel they have little reason to show respect themselves, and it spreads like fire on a warm summer night. And now people have lost their homes, and the country is tearing itself apart.

Noone expected this. The so-called leaders who have taken three solid days to return from their foreign holidays to a country in flames did not anticipate this. The people running Britain had absolutely no clue how desperate things had become. They thought that they could take away the last little things that gave people hope, the benefits, the jobs, the possibility of higher education, the support structures, and nothing would happen. They were wrong. And now my city is burning, and it will continue to burn until we stop the blanket condemnations and blind conjecture and try to understand just what has brought viral civil unrest to Britain. Let me give you a hint: it ain’t Twitter.

I’m stuck in the house, now, with rioting going on just down the road in Chalk Farm. Ealing and Clapham and Dalston are being trashed. Journalists are being mugged and beaten in the streets, and the riot cops are in retreat where they have appeared at all. Police stations are being set alight all over the country. This morning, as the smoke begins to clear, those of us who can sleep will wake up to a country in chaos. We will wake up to fear, and to racism, and to condemnation on left and right, none of which will stop this happening again, as the prospect of a second stock market clash teeters terrifyingly at the bottom of the news reports. Now is the time when we make our choices. Now is the time when we decide whether to descend into hate, or to put prejudice aside and work together. Now is the time when we decide what sort of country it is that we want to live in. Follow the #riotcleanup hashtag on Twitter. And take care of one another.

Magda Hassan
08-09-2011, 09:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DYX9qZVsMQP8%26feature%3Dplayer_embedde d
I believe this may be some footage of what the person in the previous video was referring to about the police maltreating a 16 year old girl.

Magda Hassan
08-09-2011, 11:38 AM

Magda Hassan
08-09-2011, 12:48 PM
I don't think the BBC will be airing this again any time soon.

Peter Lemkin
08-09-2011, 03:32 PM
I don't think the BBC will be airing this again any time soon.

It is absolutely PAR for the BBC......that older man [who had all his marbles and more than the usual amount of ethics!] BLEW AWAY the high-paid (and much-lauded by the chattering classes) 'journalistically-trained (sic)' BBC zombies who 'speak' for the Oligarchy! :poketongue:

That interview should be shown to EVERY student of journalism as how to do everything wrong in an interview!:pullhair: :loco:

Jan Klimkowski
08-09-2011, 06:24 PM
The black guy in the BBC News shot off screen clip is journalist Darcus Howe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darcus_Howe).

He was interviewed on BBC2 Newsnight last night, and made essentially the same arguments. Newsnight anchor and stooge, Gavin Essler, was similarly out of his depth. :pointlaugh:

Jan Klimkowski
08-09-2011, 06:29 PM
The original Scotland Yard line, that Mark Duggan was shot dead in a gunfight in which both sides exchanged fire, now appears to be a lie.

The anger on the streets will increase exponentially.

Perhaps this is one reason why the number of police on the streets of London has been increased from 6000 last night, to 16,000 tonight.

Mark Duggan did not shoot at police, says IPCC

IPCC releases initial findings of ballistics tests in police shooting of Mark Duggan, whose death sparked London riots

Jeevan Vasagar guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/09/mark-duggan-police-ipcc), Tuesday 9 August 2011 18.34 BST

Mark Duggan, whose shooting by police sparked London's riots, did not fire a shot at police officers before they killed him, the Independent Police Complaints Commission said on Tuesday.

Releasing the initial findings of ballistics tests, the police watchdog said a CO19 firearms officer fired two bullets, and that a bullet that lodged in a police radio was "consistent with being fired from a police gun".

One theory, not confirmed by the IPCC, is that the bullet became lodged in the radio from a ricochet or after passing through Duggan.

Duggan, 29, was killed last Thursday in Tottenham, north London, after armed officers stopped the minicab in which he was travelling.

The IPCC said Duggan was carrying a loaded gun, but it had no evidence that the weapon had been fired. It said tests were continuing.

The officer who fired the fatal shots has been removed from firearms duties, which is standard procedure, pending the IPCC investigation.

Officers from the Met's Operation Trident and Special Crime Directorate 11, accompanied by officers from CO19, the Met's specialist firearms command, stopped the silver Toyota Estima minicab in Ferry Lane, close to Tottenham Hale tube station, to arrest Duggan.

He was killed by a single gunshot wound to the chest, and received a second gunshot wound to his right bicep. He was pronounced dead at the scene at 6.41pm.

The IPCC's statement said the bullet lodged in the police radio was a "jacketed round". This is a police-issue bullet and is "consistent with having been fired from a [police] Heckler and Koch MP5", it said.

The non-police firearm found at the scene was a converted BBM Bruni self-loading pistol. The gun was found to have a "bulleted cartridge" in the magazine, which is being subjected to further forensic tests.

The officer whose radio was hit was taken to Homerton hospital where he was examined and discharged later that night. The minicab driver was not injured but was badly shaken by what he saw, the IPCC said. His account, as well as those of the officers, is being examined along with the forensic evidence.

The police watchdog said it was examining CCTV footage of the area, including from buses passing by at the time.

The statement said: "Our investigators will be examining recordings of radio transmissions from both police and London ambulance service, including 999 calls, with a view to tracing further witnesses. We will also be examining any intelligence and surveillance material leading up to the planning of the operation."

The IPCC commissioner Rachel Cerfontyne said: "Any concerns expressed by the wider public about a perceived lack of information from the IPCC should be considered in the context that I am only willing to share information once I have had it independently verified and once the people who are directly involved in this case – including Mr Duggan's family and community leaders – have been fully informed."

An inquest into Duggan's death was opened at north London coroner's court on Tuesday. The coroner, Andrew Walker, adjourned the hearing to 12 December and offered his sympathies to Duggan's family.

"As members of the family will know, in due course there will be an inquest touching the death of Mark Duggan and this is the first stage in that process, he said. "Of course, as well as offering our deepest sympathies, I would like to reassure members of the family that we will be working closely with Mr Duggan's family and the IPCC throughout the process."

After the hearing, the family said they were "distressed" by the rioting in the wake of his death. In a statement on their behalf, Helen Shaw, from the organisation Inquest, said: "The family want everyone to know that the disorder going on has nothing to do with finding out what has happened to Mark. They also want people to know they are deeply distressed by the disorder affecting communities across the country."

Jan Klimkowski
08-09-2011, 06:50 PM
Here (http://http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/news/Pages/pr_090811_dugganupdate.aspx) is the full Independent Police Complaints Commission update on the shooting of Mark Duggan:

Update on Mark Duggan investigation including details of ballistic tests

9th August 2011

The Independent Police Complaints Commission’s investigation into the circumstances surrounding the fatal shooting of Mark Duggan is continuing today, with investigators examining statements, as well as analysing results of forensic tests and awaiting further results.

The IPCC is carrying out a full CCTV trawl of the area, as well as CCTV from buses in the area at the time. Our investigators will be examining recordings of radio transmissions from both police and London Ambulance Service, including 999 calls with a view to tracing further witnesses. We will also be examining any intelligence and surveillance material leading up to the planning of the operation.

At this stage, it has been established that at approximately 6.15pm on Thursday 4 August 2011, officers from the Metropolitan Police Service’s Operation Trident and SCD 11 accompanied by officers from the Met’s Specialist Firearms Command (CO19), stopped a silver Toyota Estima people carrier minicab in Ferry Lane, close to Tottenham Hale tube station in Tottenham to carry out an arrest.

Mark Duggan was a passenger in the minicab. What happened next is subject to the independent investigation.

Two shots were fired by one CO19 firearms officer.

Paramedics from London Ambulance Service (LAS) attended along with medics from the Helicopter Emergency Medical Service (HEMS) but Mr Duggan was pronounced dead at scene at 6.41pm.

A non-police issue handgun was recovered from the scene.

A post mortem examination concluded that Mr Duggan was killed by a single gun shot wound to the chest. He also received a second gunshot wound to his right bicep.

The IPCC commissioned tests by the Forensic Science Service (FSS) who have so far confirmed that:

• The bullet lodged in the MPS radio is a “jacketed round”. This is a police issue bullet and, whilst it is still subject to DNA analysis, it is consistent with having been fired from an MPS Heckler and Koch MP5.

• The firearm found at the scene was a converted BBM ‘Bruni’ self loading pistol. This is not a replica; the scientist considers it to be a firearm for the purposes of the Firearms Act and a prohibited weapon and is therefore illegal.

• The handgun was found to have a “bulleted cartridge” in the magazine, which is being subject to further tests.

At this stage there is no evidence that the handgun found at the scene was fired during the incident. The FSS has told the IPCC that it may not be possible to say for certain whether the handgun was fired, however further tests are being carried out in an attempt to establish this.

The officer whose radio was hit was taken to Homerton Hospital where he was examined and discharged later that night.

The minicab driver was not physically injured, but was badly shaken by what he saw. His account along with that of the officers is being examined along with the emerging forensic evidence.

IPCC Commissioner Rachel Cerfontyne said: “I know this is an incredibly difficult time for Mark Duggan’s family, who have made it abundantly clear that they in no way condone the violence that we have all seen on the streets of London and elsewhere over the past three nights. I am committed to ensuring they are provided with answers from the IPCC about the investigation into Mark’s death as soon as we have them, and I acknowledge their frustration that this can be a lengthy process.

“I know that much of this information has been reported in the media already, alongside much inaccurate speculation. Any concerns expressed by the wider public about a perceived lack of information from the IPCC should be considered in the context that I am only willing to share information once I have had it independently verified and once the people who are directly involved in this case – including Mr Duggan’s family and community leaders – have been fully informed.

“I also have a responsibility to balance the need to provide information, with the need to avoid adversely affecting other judicial and coronial processes. This means that it would not be appropriate for me to put all the information we receive into the public domain as soon as we receive it. I assure you that our findings will be made public as soon as we can legally and legitimately do so

“I will continue to oversee the IPCC investigation and IPCC family liaison managers continue to be on hand to support Mr Duggan’s family while our investigators get on with establishing the facts of this case.”

The shooting took place on Ferry Lane, close to Tottenham Hale tube station, and anyone who witnessed the incident to contact us in confidence on 0800 096 9079 or e mail ferrylaneshooting@ipcc.gov.uk


Jan Klimkowski
08-09-2011, 10:04 PM
An MSM analysis of Scotland Yard spin.

The reality, including the links with the Murdoch empire, is far worse.

Met should disclose facts behind Mark Duggan's death

The integrity of the Met's communications department is all too often called into question. No wonder the public are sceptical

Jules Carey guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/09/met-communications-department-mark-duggan), Tuesday 9 August 2011 14.30 BST

After Ian Tomlinson and Smiley Culture, we are once again faced with a controversial death in an incident involving the police. Once again, there are serious doubts about the integrity of the initial reports of the incident by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) and Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC).

The generally accepted facts are that Mark Duggan, a Tottenham man who grew up on the Broadwater Farm estate, was on his way home in a minicab on Thursday evening. Officers from the MPS firearms unit CO19 approached the car, shots were fired and Duggan was killed.

The initial reports, however, followed a depressingly familiar pattern. With the allegation that the police were fired at first came the implication that Duggan may somehow have been responsible for his own death. A police officer was also cast as a modern-day hero, catching a potentially fatal bullet in his radio during an exchange of fire.

The victim was predictably described in unflattering terms. In the earliest articles the Telegraph reported that on the night that Duggan was killed they were informed by "police sources" that the dead man was a "well-known gangster" who had been under surveillance by officers investigating gun crime in a preplanned operation in Tottenhan Hale – the implication of "gangster" being that he was not worthy of public sympathy and may well have met a violent end in any event.

The Telegraph also reported that a spokesman for the IPCC said he understood that Duggan had been shot by police, adding that an officer had been shot and wounded. "We understand the officer was shot first before the male was shot." It appears that the IPCC relied on the police sources for their information.

Four days and three nights of riots later, the accounts attributed to a police source and the IPCC look misleading. It is now being reported that the initial ballistics tests on the bullet found lodged in the radio shows that the bullet was police issue, and therefore had not been fired by Duggan. Stafford Scott, a community leader, has also reported that the gun said to have been found at the scene "was found in a sock meaning it wasn't prepared for action".

In other death-in-custody cases the initial accounts put forward in the press have proved to be similarly misleading. Initial reports concerning the death of Tomlinson focused on the officers who went to Tomlinson's aid despite the "barrage of missiles from protesters". The inquest revealed that there was no such assault on the officers. A heavy emphasis in the press was put on Tomlinson lifestyle and health, notably, even before a postmortem had been carried out. Initial reports into death of Jean Charles de Menezes also proved to be similarly misleading, with accounts of the victim vaulting over the tube barrier and wearing a suspiciously bulky padded jacket later being proved untrue.

When there is a controversial, high-profile death or serious injury case involving the police, it is important that the public obtain a truthful, unbiased and accurate picture of the events. Usually the first communications about such incidents are from a police force's communications department – afterwards the IPCC communications department assumes responsibility for the investigation.

These days, the lines of the comms battle are more apparent than ever before: on one side is the 24-hour news channels, the online media and citizen journalists blogging and tweeting in real time, and on the other side is the Met's public affairs department, equipped with a staff of 72 and a budget of £6.3m, dedicated to explaining and promoting the work of the Met's 30,000 police officers. Recently, the work of the Met's comms department has been brought to the public's attention when its director Dick Fedorcio was interviewed in connection with the News of the World at the home affairs select committee.

Discussing the 7/7 terrorist attacks in an interview with PRWeek, deputy director Chris Webb gave an interesting insight into how the department worked. "The first hour after a terror attack is the most important", he explained, "both in terms of setting out a proactive comms strategy and in reacting to media speculation. It's about reassuring the public that you're in control … we have what we call a golden hour. It's an hour to get a grip, to get control of the situation, or others will do it on our behalf."

In the case of Duggan, it is unclear who the police source that spoke to the Telegraph was, or even whether the source was authorised to speak. There is no evidence yet that what he allegedly said was part of a "proactive comms strategy".

What is clear, however, is that neither a vacuum nor proactive comms are going to reassure an increasingly sceptical and angry public. Improbable accounts are as bad for generating rumours as an information vacuum and it is perhaps no surprise that ahead of the riot in Tottenham there was speculation that Duggan was pulled from the minicab, held down and then killed.

In an ideal world, the IPCC would be a neutral body that concentrates on investigating allegations about deaths and serious injuries caused by police offers. However, the IPCC has increasingly become responsible for controlling the release of information about police incidents to the media and public. It opens itself up to the criticisms of bias in this role. In the Duggan case, for instance, while the IPCC has now '"categorically refuted'" rumours that Duggan was shot by police "execution style", it has failed to categorically confirm that the bullet in the radio was a police bullet or offer clarification about the circumstances in which the gun was found at the scene.

What is required, especially when a death is involved, is that there are timely and honest disclosures of the facts, even when those facts raise serious issues for the force concerned. Such frank and low-key disclosures would require the forces to radically step back from engaging in the comms war and cut the costs and influence of comms departments

Magda Hassan
08-09-2011, 10:53 PM
Having finally returned from holiday after three nights of rioting, volunteers helping with the cleanup operation following last night’s riots in Clapham were cleared out of the area this afternoon — so Boris Johnson could go on a walkabout for the cameras.

Hundreds of helpers were led away from the area and made to wait as Boris sought to make political capital by posing, broom in hand for press photos.


Apparently Nick Clegg had to be whisked away when he visited an effected area as the police realised once there that they couldn't guarantee his safety. :lol:

Danny Jarman
08-10-2011, 03:24 AM
Boris the buffoon looked lost for words when the man shouted "What about Mark Duggan?" :popcorn:

Ed Jewett
08-10-2011, 03:35 AM
"Lots of the activity going on in London is based on open source warfare precepts. Much more going on here than a simple riot or looting. It's a learning lab. Communicating via BlackBerry instant-message technology that the police have struggled to monitor, as well as by social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter, they repeatedly signaled fresh target areas to those caught up in the mayhem. They coupled their grasp of digital technology with the ability to race through London’s clogged traffic on bicycles and mopeds, creating what amounted to flying squads that switched from one scene to another in the London districts of Hackney, Lewisham, Clapham, Peckham, Croydon, Woolwich and Enfield, among others — and even, late on Monday night, at least minor outbreaks in the mainly upscale neighborhood of Notting Hill and parts of Camden. NYTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/10/world/europe/10britain.html?_r=1 Facebook example: Riot page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/235267786511728/ "


Fresh photos too at Cryptome.

Ed Jewett
08-10-2011, 03:38 AM
More pics here:


Ed Jewett
08-10-2011, 03:46 AM
"... in a move that could raise tensions, a far-right group said about 1,000 of its members around the country were taking to the streets to deter rioters.

"We're going to stop the riots — police obviously can't handle it," Stephen Lennon, leader of the far-right English Defence League, told The Associated Press. He warned that he couldn't guarantee there wouldn't be violent clashes with rioting youths.

Anders Behring Breivik, who has confessed to the bombing and massacre that killed 77 people in Norway last month, has cited the EDL as an inspiration."

Read it on Global News: Global News | Police flood London's streets and residents stand guard in bid to end Britain's violent riots

http://www.globalnews.ca/world/world/apnewsbreak+british+farright+group+leader+says+100 0+to+take+to+streets+to+deter+rioters/6442460833/story.html

Ed Jewett
08-10-2011, 03:53 AM
publication date: Aug 8, 2011

August 10-11, 2011 -- English riots said to be "well-coordinated"

WMR's British intelligence sources report that the rioting sweeping London and other British cities, including Liverpool, Birmingham, and Manchester appears to be "well-coordinated." WMR has learned that some rioters with sophisticated radio communications systems are * very organised, in some cases as in Clapham, south London, and in Birmingham, there is no police presence. Rioters are resorting to the same use of social networking services, such as Facebook and Twitter, that was seen in George Soros-financed "themed revolutions" in eastern Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East.

The rioting broke out when police shot and killed an unarmed black youth named Mark Duggan. Soon, riots broke out in Tottenham, Edmonton, Brixton, and other London neighborhoods. Intelligence on such rioting was not passed to senior British government officials, many of whom were on holiday for the month of August. The word from a senior British intelligence source is "Her Majesty's Government has been completely blind-sided."

Police are being accused of withholding intelligence on the rioting now spreading throughout England and of allowing the rioters to get out of control by standing down. WMR has been informed that NSA's British counterpart, the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) in Cheltenham, has been ordered to conduct widespread surveillance of riot leaders and police. British intelligence wants to know if there has been any collusion between the rioters and the police in an effort to stage a retaliatory operation for the exposure of police involvement in the wiretapping operations of Rupert Murdoch's News International papers in London, including the News of the World and The Sun.

London's top police officials resigned after it was determined that police were sharing wiretap and other personal data with Murdoch's reporters and editors.

Some senior British government officials have even suggested the rioting spreading through London may be part of a coup attempt.

In addition, the last four days has seen one of the worst financial meltdowns on the London financial markets.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20110809 (by subscription only, but 48-embargo ends in moments)

Magda Hassan
08-10-2011, 03:55 AM
"... in a move that could raise tensions, a far-right group said about 1,000 of its members around the country were taking to the streets to deter rioters.

"We're going to stop the riots — police obviously can't handle it," Stephen Lennon, leader of the far-right English Defence League, told The Associated Press. He warned that he couldn't guarantee there wouldn't be violent clashes with rioting youths.

Anders Behring Breivik, who has confessed to the bombing and massacre that killed 77 people in Norway last month, has cited the EDL as an inspiration."

Read it on Global News: Global News | Police flood London's streets and residents stand guard in bid to end Britain's violent riots

http://www.globalnews.ca/world/world/apnewsbreak+british+farright+group+leader+says+100 0+to+take+to+streets+to+deter+rioters/6442460833/story.html
:pointlaugh: Racist football hooligan rioters and undercover agent provocateurs to have monopoly on London riots. Can't wait to see that. :popworm:

Magda Hassan
08-10-2011, 09:06 AM
How long is a piece of string?

Police: we'll fight fire with fire
Orders given to use plastic bullets as riots spread across Britain

By Jerome Taylor, Oliver Wright and Nigel Morris
Wednesday, 10 August 2011

David Cameron and the head of the Metropolitan Police have taken the unprecedented step of authorising armed officers to use plastic bullets if needed to stop looters and rioters laying waste to Britain's major cities. The Prime Minister and senior officers approved the emergency powers for "as long as they are needed" to get a grip on the lawlessness which has now spread from London to communities across the country.

The Government also discussed introducing CS gas and water cannon to break up disturbances in future – a move which would end a 180-year tradition of "minimum force" public order policing in Britain.

Peter Lemkin
08-10-2011, 01:39 PM
I don't think the BBC will be airing this again any time soon.

Long and intelligent interview with this man [Darcus Howe.] and a reporter who has written about the Dugan police murder [now confirmed!] can be found on today's http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/10/over_1_000_arrested_in_uk

Darcus Howe, broadcaster and columnist who lives in Brixton, South London. His TV work includes White Tribe, in which he put Anglo-Saxon Britain under the spotlight. Howe organized the 20,000-strong Black People’s March in 1981, claiming official neglect and inefficient policing of the investigation of the New Cross Fire, in which 13 black teenagers died.

Richard Seymour, one of Britain’s most popular bloggers based in London. He blogs at Lenin’s Tomb. He is author of The Liberal Defence of Murder and The Meaning of David Cameron.

AMY GOODMAN: Unrest continues to spread across Britain, after protests erupted Saturday in London, when police shot to death a young black man who was a suspected gang member, they said. Mobs firebombed police stations and set shops on fire in London, Manchester, Salford, Liverpool, Nottingham and Birmingham.

After waiting for several days, Prime Minister David Cameron has cut short his Italian vacation and recalled Parliament to respond to the situation. Scotland Yard has ordered its officers to deploy every available force, including possible use of plastic bullets, to stop the riots. London yesterday was flooded with 16,000 police officers, the biggest police presence in the capital in history.

Meanwhile, the Independent Police Complaints Commission, the IPCC, found that Mark Duggan, the 29-year-old black man whose death triggered the riots, did not fire on the police before he was shot.

RACHEL CERFONTYNE: One of the main developments that I can share is the tests we commissioned from the Forensic Science Service have so far confirmed that the bullet lodged in the MPS [Metropolitan Police Service] radio is a jacketed round. This is a police-issue bullet, and whilst it is still subject to DNA analysis, it is consistent with having been fired from an MPS Heckler & Koch MP5.

AMY GOODMAN: A representative for Mark Duggan’s family said they were very sorry his death had led to the riots. Helen Shaw of the human rights group Inquest said his family is distressed at the unrest.

HELEN SHAW: The family want everyone to know that the disorder going on has nothing to do with finding out what has happened to Mark. They also want everyone to know that they are deeply distressed by the disorder affecting so many communities across the country.

AMY GOODMAN: Links between Duggan’s death and the unrest were rejected by British Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg, who characterized the disorder as, quote, "needless, opportunistic theft and violence, nothing more, nothing less."

Well, as protests enter their fourth day, with more than 760 people arrested in London, at least 50 people have been arrested over trouble in Manchester and Salford, where crowds of youths have set fire to buildings and cars, while almost a hundred have been arrested over disorder which broke out across the West Midlands.

We go to London, where we’re joined by Darcus Howe, a broadcaster and columnist who lives in Brixton, South London. His TV work includes White Tribe, in which he put Anglo-Saxon Britain under the spotlight. Howe organized the 20,000-strong Black People’s March in 1981, claiming official neglect and inefficient policing of the investigation of the New Cross Fire in which 13 black teenagers died.

We’re also joined in London by Richard Seymour, one of Britain’s most popular bloggers. He blogs at "Lenin’s Tomb." He’s author of The Liberal Defence of Murder and The Meaning of David Cameron.

We’re going to go first to Darcus Howe. Talk about what is happening in your country right now, what is happening in Britain.

DARCUS HOWE: There is a mass insurrection. And I’m not talking about rioting; I’m talking about an insurrection that comes from the depths of society, from the consciousness, collectively, of the young blacks and whites, but overwhelmingly black, as a result of the consistent stopping and searching young blacks without cause. They changed the law. Before, you had to provide evidence that you were looking at this character, doing this and bouncing ladies and pushing his hand in a handbag, before they stop and search you. They moved that clean out and replaced it with anti-terror legislation, that you could stop and search anybody, anytime, anywhere. And my grandson is 14 years old, and I asked him, I said, "Nathan, how many times have you been stopped and searched?" He said, "Papa, I can’t count, it’s so many." And that anger has been simmering beneath the surface, because when you have hundreds of thousands of young people acting simultaneously, the issue has to be simultaneously experienced. And so, when Mark Duggan was executed, they all had empathy with it and issues in their minds about what life is and what it is not.

The second practical thing is they’re on holidays. The school year is over. And anybody who’s been cooped up in a classroom in your teens for a term, you want out. And you feel freedom of—a spiritual freedom. You breathe widely, hahhh, and you say, "School over, monkey turn over." So, that is a moment. I don’t think it would have happened in January or the middle of October or anything. It’s summer. It’s warm. In fact, some of the nights were quite hot.

And Mark Duggan lost his life. The Operation Trident—we have known Operation Trident for a long time. They came to investigate murders, and they did absolutely brilliantly. And I have been all open in saying it’s a fine squad. Now, everything is changing in the Metropolitan Police. It is perhaps one of the most disgraced organization in the United Kingdom at the moment. And it’s headless—no commissioner, no deputy commissioner. So all these guys who are head of these operations—special operations, special ops, Razorback, Operation Razorback, Operation Trident—they’re all over the place, jostling to draw the attention of the authorities to get that big job and the deputy. And so, they go to Tottenham, where the first explosion took place, without telling the commander of that area. They were carrying that Glock Heckler pistol. That is a murderous weapon. It is the most murderous weapon you can ever put in your hands. In bright, broad daylight, among ordinary people, and they blew his chest away. Up to—they said that he had a pistol. Now they’re saying the extra pistol wasn’t his. We don’t know.

So, two things. When they demonstrated, the family, to the police station, the commander, he could not come out and say anything, because he was fussing all around trying to get in contact with his men on the ground. Nobody knew. And they did that and went their way. And so, the degeneration of the Metropolitan Police, the competition for the job of Metropolitan commissioner and deputy commissioner, that competition is on. And each one, they want to—each commander would like to go to the extreme and put up his hand and beat his chest and say, "I qualify." And that is the spirit at Scotland Yard.

AMY GOODMAN: Richard Seymour—

DARCUS HOWE: And it was inevitable that—

AMY GOODMAN: I’d like to bring Richard Seymour into the discussion, Darcus.

DARCUS HOWE: Yeah, yeah.

AMY GOODMAN: I’d like to bring Richard Seymour in and go back to the beginning, Mark Duggan, the killing of Mark Duggan, the 29-year-old black man, just to clearly understand—and you have written about this—what the police initially said and then what has come out over time, further angering people. Richard Seymour?

RICHARD SEYMOUR: Right. First of all, the circumstances of the killing are that they allowed people to believe that Mark Duggan had a weapon and that he shot that weapon at police officers, and that, therefore, you would conclude they fired back in self-defense. That’s absolutely untrue. The IPCC, the Independent Police Complaints Commission, has confirmed that the bullet that was fired and lodged in a police radio was a police bullet. So, it would be an interesting question, who fired that bullet and why? Which among the officers did so? But it certainly wasn’t Mark Duggan. So, they lied.

But in addition to that, they didn’t inform the family. They let the family find out from the media. And they didn’t send round a family liaison officer to speak to the family. None of the usual procedures, in this highly unusual circumstance, was followed. So, generally speaking, there was a backlash, a reaction against the police, as a result of this.

I just want to say also, in connection with this, Darcus mentioned the competition for the top jobs in the Metropolitan Police. It’s important to note the backdrop here. This is the deep crisis that has shaken the Metropolitan Police in the context of the hacking scandal, in relation to the relationships between top Metropolitan Police officials and the News of the World, News International empire. That has created a deep crisis within the police. It’s an ideological crisis as much as anything else. And so, this is, I expect, one of the reasons for the disarray that they’re in at the moment. And it will be wide. They are reaching for new weapons just today. David Cameron has allowed the police to use water cannon against rioters for the first time in this country.

AMY GOODMAN: Just to explain, that’s the Murdoch scandal that you’re talking about that took out—


AMY GOODMAN: —the top leadership of Scotland Yard. But the protest at the police station the night of Mark Duggan’s killing by the police?

RICHARD SEYMOUR: Yeah. Well, I mean, this was, until a certain amount of provocation by the police, largely peaceful. I mean, it was a protest led by local community activists wanting answers, wanting dialogue with the police, and not getting it, and being fogged off. And the real flashpoint came, according to eyewitnesses, when a 16-year-old girl, who was shouting at the police, lines of riot police, demanding answers from them, was assaulted. She was beaten by several of them with batons and riot shields. Some of you may have seen the footage. It definitely shows that she’s on the ground. She’s getting a few hefty kicks, as well. Several independent eyewitnesses have verified this. So, I would say that the police have done more than enough to provoke this situation, which obviously raises the question of why anybody thinks that the police, having provoked it, have any solutions to resolving it.

AMY GOODMAN: We’re going to break and then come back to our discussion. Richard Seymour blogs at "Lenin’s Tomb." Darcus Howe is a broadcaster, a columnist, who lives in Brixton. His TV work includes a number of pieces over the decades, and he’s particularly known for his criticism of police brutality issues in the communities in which he lives and covers. This is Democracy Now! Back in a minute.


AMY GOODMAN: Linton Kwesi Johnson, "Man Free (For Darcus Howe)." Linton Kwesi Johnson did this song for our guest, Darcus Howe. This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org, The War and Peace Report. Our guests: Darcus Howe, broadcaster, columnist; Richard Seymour blogs at "Lenin’s Tomb." They’re both joining us from London.

Darcus Howe, that song, the significance of it? And give us the history of your community, of Brixton, and how you feel this might fit into that history, what is taking place today. Now more than a thousand people have been arrested across Britain.

DARCUS HOWE: It’s very repetitive of what happened in Brixton in 1981, the exact same thing. They were beating up, stop and search—Operation Swamp, it was—and actually swamped the entire community and searched anything that moved that was male and that was black. It was a clear distinction. And that exploded, I think, about 40 yards from my house. I was editor of The Journal. I led a demonstration of 20,000 people only weeks before. So I thought, the best thing—I told Mrs. Howe, "Let’s go to the office up the street and sit in there." And a serial of policemen lined up in front my office. So when I was asked, "Where you were when the riot was on?" I said, "You ask the police. They have my record of not only where I was, but everything I said on my phone."

And there’s a spontaneity. But the weakness is always the commentators, the press. It comes like a thief in the night to them, because they deal only with what has happened, not what is likely to happen, which is a kind of speculative truth. So they’re always surprised. And whenever there’s surprise, they look for people to blame, to cover up their own inadequacies. Whenever there’s surprise, they create a plot and a plan of some people—I don’t know if they were from Mars or what—as a result. And it is spontaneous.

Now, after Brixton, the riots snaked, as it is doing now exactly, through Birmingham, Manchester, all over, Leeds, Bradford. It even included a place in the south called Cirencester, of which I know nothing. I didn’t know any black people live there, in Gloucestershire. And so, the snake is traveling along the same path that it did in 1981.

AMY GOODMAN: And what do these communities have in common, Darcus?

DARCUS HOWE: There is absolutely no difference. There is no difference, in the minutest detail, the insurrection and the looting. I think there’s much more looting now, because they’re on school holidays. And one of the things about young people—because I was young once. I like—whatever in fashion, I must have it; otherwise I won’t get a girlfriend. This is the spirit of youth.

AMY GOODMAN: I wanted—I wanted to get your comment, Darcus Howe—

DARCUS HOWE: Trousers, sneakers.

AMY GOODMAN: I wanted to get your comment on the London mayor, Boris Johnson, who walked through the streets of Clapham in South London with a broom on Tuesday, as residents launched a clean-up operation in one of the worst-hit areas of the violence. He criticized those seeking to justify the unrest.

MAYOR BORIS JOHNSON: It’s time we stop hearing all this, you know, nonsense about how there are deep sociological justifications for wanton criminality and destruction of people’s property. Whatever people’s grievances may be, it does not justify smashing up someone’s shop, wrecking their livelihood, and kicking them out of a job. That is not the way to behave. That’s not the way to have an economic recovery in this city.

AMY GOODMAN: That’s the London mayor, Boris Johnson. Do you condemn the unrest, Darcus Howe? Do you—the riots that are destroying a lot of the communities and the business within the poorest communities of Britain right now?

DARCUS HOWE: Americans will remember the anger of black Americans at a certain point in history. Rap Brown celebrated that explosion, several explosions in Chicago [inaudible] every day. He says, "Burn, baby, burn!" That was his slogan. And it was approved by radical whites and blacks. They have a reason for it. Secondly, they’re very poor now. I have never known young people to be poor as they are now, in the midst of an avalanche of advertisements and celebrity, with the latest sneakers and top, and bouncing around with their little hats on their head. And they cannot get the money to buy it, so they rip off the front of the stores and steal it.

I am not an Anglican Christian. My father was. He was a priest. And therefore, I don’t walk around with 10 Commandments and use them at sharp, historical, political moments in the history of a tribe, in the history of a country, in the history of an inner city. They stole it, and they stole it. I don’t make any fuss when they have a lot of MPs and members of the House of Lords in jail for stealing. I don’t make a statement about democracy because a handful of them are thieves. So, this denigration of Boris’s people, because we’re all his citizens—and you look at one and speak about them in a certain way. But Boris is—Boris is Boris.

AMY GOODMAN: The Mayor of London.

DARCUS HOWE: He’s a highly educated man. He loves Greek civilization and all of that, but Boris doesn’t have—and he’d better be careful, because the Olympics are next year in the London inner city.

AMY GOODMAN: Let me ask Richard Seymour about one of the pieces in The Guardian written by Caroline Davies, who says, "A total of 333 people have died in or following police custody over the past 11 years, but no officer has ever been successfully prosecuted." That’s according to the government; it’s according to a watchdog report. "Prosecutions were recommended against 13 officers based on 'relatively strong evidence of misconduct or neglect', but none resulted in a guilty verdict." This is quite remarkable. Three hundred thirty-three people have died in or following police custody over the last 11 years? This is more than two people a month over the last more than decade. Can you talk about the significance of this, Richard?

RICHARD SEYMOUR: Yeah. I mean, first of all, there has been, over the last generation or so, some efforts to overcome the antagonisms between the police and black communities in Britain, but that didn’t, obviously, get rid of institutional racism. Institutional racism was acknowledged in the outcome of the Lawrence Inquiry, but the steps undertaken to deal with it were obviously inadequate. And the result of that has been that there has been a disproportionate amount of stop and search of young black men, a disproportionate amount of harassment and violence, and of course, as you mentioned, deaths in police custody.

But it’s worth mentioning that it’s not just deaths in police custody. There are—there have been a number of recent notorious deaths outside of police custody, including that of Ian Tomlinson at a G20 protest, and including that of the artist Smiley Culture, who, they said, stabbed himself in the kitchen while police were visiting with him to discuss allegations of drugs. And I don’t think anybody really believes that, but there were peaceful protests in response to that, quite large protests by the local community. And to be honest, they were largely—in fact, completely—ignored by the media. They were a very important democratic moment, but just completely ignored.

And that puts these riots in an interesting light, because when one of the young people was asked by a reporter, "Do you really think the rioting is the right way to go about getting what you want?" he said, "Yes, because if we weren’t rioting, you wouldn’t be talking to us." A political establishment, a media, and a state system that gives people that impression, that gives people the impression that they won’t be listened to unless they force themselves onto your attention, is going to lead to riots.

AMY GOODMAN: Darcus Howe, do you have a sense that the feeling of people’s frustration, of the poverty, the austerity that’s being raised, goes across race, that you’re talking about the poor whites, as well, but also that it’s a class issue, but also that there are those that are taking advantage of a moment of frustration to riot, to steal?

DARCUS HOWE: Hello? Let me say this. I write a column, a fortnightly column, in the only black newspaper in the United Kingdom. And last week, before any Mark Duggan or anything—I write not from events only, from my historical sense, from my speculative truth. And I wrote, "I hope Amy Winehouse is floating in the stars, speaking in the air of authority, saying, 'No, no, no.'" That was a warning. I am not anybody with special qualities, that I could divine what is happening tomorrow. I am not some of those people who do it by magic, and you pay them a little and know what’s going to happen tomorrow. I wrote that specifically because of not only what my grandson was telling me, but the sound of his voice. You can—it hit another pitch. And his friends and his mom and my friends’ children, there was a sense that the lid was going to blow and blow sky-high. So I was not in any way surprised.

Who had to be surprised? Those who govern. So they could do nothing to stop it, because it doesn’t—they don’t know if it’s there. They don’t even know if black people are there. The Parliament, they didn’t even know what was there. It was there for all those who were paying attention, would see and listen to people, not question them and say, "Are you going to be rioting tomorrow?" No, you just ask questions. And then suddenly they burst out, as though they’re completely fed up. I assure you and your viewers I knew something was on the agenda. The police did not know. I was in no surprise when Trident killed Duggan, none whatsoever. And I’m not surprised that they’re going to use—I’m not surprised that they have weapons on the street now, armed police, and much more than normal. You mightn’t see it; it might be tucked in a car somewhere.

AMY GOODMAN: Talk about what you feel—

DARCUS HOWE: I’m not surprised that they’re tapping the phones of all of us who have been outspoken. And it’s no surprise, if I come down the road late and, no, they don’t see anybody else, to dive on me and pick me up and fancy a story. That is where we are now.

AMY GOODMAN: Darcus Howe, what do you think needs to be done?

DARCUS HOWE: And I’m not [inaudible] or anything. That’s what we are now.

AMY GOODMAN: What would you—Darcus, what would you—


AMY GOODMAN: —want to see happening right now? How do you think this should all be resolved? We’re talking about four days of this uprising, of the riots, of the fires, of more than a thousand people arrested, police out in the largest presence in history now in the streets of London and others. What do you think needs to happen right now?

DARCUS HOWE: There has to be an overture made to young blacks, saying, "Peace." And you could do that with making clear that you disassociate yourself—I’m talking about the Prime Minister now—disassociate themselves with Operation Trident and dissolve it, dissolve Operation Razorback, which is terrorizing communities right now.

And the other thing, the genuine black intellectuals and working-class unionists, and so on, should hold an international conference within the next six months to lay out precisely the state of society. We must have black Americans there. We must have broadcasters from all over the world and discuss the future of a civilization within a civilization, and make that absolutely clear. We invite delegates from Africa, we invite delegates from the Caribbean, and say this is not the country that Cameron boasts of—and how, beneath the surface, the terror and the disrespect—on the question of race, mainly—and we have to resolve it. We have to resolve it, and resolve it in a civilized way.

AMY GOODMAN: We’re going to leave it there.

DARCUS HOWE: Not go with a demonstration to the House of Lords or Parliament and to your MP and whatever. We have to lift it sky-high and let the entire civilization of this world know that what they’re doing in Afghanistan is much of what they do to kill people here. I’m not angry, but I’m deadly serious. Every time I walk the street, my eyes are scanning the landscape for rogue police officers. And that’s—I warn my children to do that, and my grandchildren.

AMY GOODMAN: Darcus Howe, I want to thank you for being with us—

DARCUS HOWE: I’m going to see them next Sunday.

AMY GOODMAN: Broadcaster and columnist who lives in Brixton, South London. Also, Richard Seymour, who blogs at "Lenin’s Tomb," both of them speaking to us from London. This is Democracy Now! Of course, we’ll continue to cover what is happening there, the unrest throughout the country.

Magda Hassan
08-11-2011, 02:03 AM

An Open Letter to David Cameron’s Parents
August 10, 2011 in whingeing | Tags: #ukriots, Andy Hayman, Bernie Ecclestone, boris johnson, corruption, david cameron, ed vaizey, Hazel Blears, London, Michael Gove, Tony Blair, uk riots

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Dear Mr & Mrs Cameron,

Why did you never take the time to teach your child basic morality?

As a young man, he was in a gang that regularly smashed up private property. We know that you were absent parents who left your child to be brought up by a school rather than taking responsibility for his behaviour yourselves. The fact that he became a delinquent with no sense of respect for the property of others can only reflect that fact that you are terrible, lazy human beings who failed even in teaching your children the difference between right and wrong. I can only assume that his contempt for the small business owners of Oxford is indicative of his wider values.

Even worse, your neglect led him to fall in with a bad crowd.

There’s Michael Gove, whose wet-lipped rage was palpable on Newsnight last night. This is the Michael Gove who confused one of his houses with another of his houses in order to avail himself of £7,000 of the taxpayers’ money to which he was not entitled (or £13,000, depending on which house you think was which).

Or Hazel Blears, who was interviewed in full bristling peahen mode for almost all of last night. She once forgot which house she lived in, and benefited to the tune of £18,000. At the time she said it would take her reputation years to recover. Unfortunately not.

But, of course, this is different. This is just understandable confusion over the rules of how many houses you are meant to have as an MP. This doesn’t show the naked greed of people stealing plasma tellies.

Unless you’re Gerald Kaufman, who broke parliamentary rules to get £8,000 worth of 40-inch, flat screen, Bang and Olufsen TV out of the taxpayer.

Or Ed Vaizey, who got £2,000 in antique furniture ‘delivered to the wrong address’. Which is fortunate, because had that been the address they were intended for, that would have been fraud.

Or Jeremy Hunt, who broke the rules to the tune of almost £20,000 on one property and £2,000 on another. But it’s all right, because he agreed to pay half of the money back. Not the full amount, it would be absurd to expect him to pay back the entire sum that he took and to which he was not entitled. No, we’ll settle for half. And, as in any other field, what might have been considered embezzlement of £22,000 is overlooked. We know, after all, that David Cameron likes to give people second chances.

Fortunately, we have the Met Police to look after us. We’ll ignore the fact that two of its senior officers have had to resign in the last six weeks amid suspicions of widespread corruption within the force.

We’ll ignore Andy Hayman, who went for champagne dinners with those he was meant to be investigating, and then joined the company on leaving the Met.

Of course, Mr and Mrs Cameron, your son is right. There are parts of society that are not just broken, they are sick. Riddled with disease from top to bottom.

Just let me be clear about this (It’s a good phrase, Mr and Mrs Cameron, and one I looted from every sentence your son utters, just as he looted it from Tony Blair), I am not justifying or minimising in any way what has been done by the looters over the last few nights. What I am doing, however, is expressing shock and dismay that your son and his friends feel themselves in any way to be guardians of morality in this country.

Can they really, as 650 people who have shown themselves to be venal pygmies, moral dwarves at every opportunity over the last 20 years, bleat at others about ‘criminality’. Those who decided that when they broke the rules (the rules they themselves set) they, on the whole wouldn’t face the consequences of their actions?

Are they really surprised that this country’s culture is swamped in greed, in the acquisition of material things, in a lust for consumer goods of the most base kind? Really?

Let’s have a think back: cash-for-questions; Bernie Ecclestone; cash-for-access; Mandelson’s mortgage; the Hinduja passports; Blunkett’s alleged insider trading (and, by the way, when someone has had to resign in disgrace twice can we stop having them on television as a commentator, please?); the meetings on the yachts of oligarchs; the drafting of the Digital Economy Act with Lucian Grange; Byers’, Hewitt’s & Hoon’s desperation to prostitute themselves and their positions; the fact that Andrew Lansley (in charge of NHS reforms) has a wife who gives lobbying advice to the very companies hoping to benefit from the NHS reforms. And that list didn’t even take me very long to think of.

Our politicians are for sale and they do not care who knows it.

Oh yes, and then there’s the expenses thing. Widescale abuse of the very systems they designed, almost all of them grasping what they could while they remained MPs, to build their nest egg for the future at the public’s expense. They even now whine on Twitter about having their expenses claims for getting back to Parliament while much of the country is on fire subject to any examination. True public servants.

The last few days have revealed some truths, and some heartening truths. The fact that the #riotcleanup crews had organised themselves before David Cameron even made time for a public statement is heartening. The fact that local communities came together to keep their neighbourhoods safe when the police failed is heartening. The fact that there were peace vigils being organised (even as the police tried to dissuade people) is heartening.

There is hope for this country. But we must stop looking upwards for it. The politicians are the ones leading the charge into the gutter.

David Cameron was entirely right when he said: “It is a complete lack of responsibility in parts of our society, people allowed to think that the world owes them something, that their rights outweigh their responsibilities, and that their actions do not have consequences.”

He was more right than he knew.

And I blame the parents.

Ed Jewett
08-11-2011, 04:43 AM
I certainly have little meaningful to say about a socio-political process/event in a country I've never visited and would certainly be hard-pressed to understand even when armed with a really good map. For that reason, I post only the link (http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2011/08/your-approval-of-history-is-irrelevant.html) to an article that comes recommended by Chris Floyd at Empire Burlesque (http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/2158-riot-act-some-wisdom-among-the-wailers.html) written by a well-known essayist he frequently recommends by the name of Arthur Silber who lives in far-off Los Angeles. Someone closer to the scene can read the articles and determine if they are worthy of posting in their entirety. I suspect they are, but then I am over 3,200 miles away.

Magda Hassan
08-11-2011, 01:25 PM
UK Prime Minister Endorses Racist’s Facebook Group On National TV Address
Posted by Alexander Higgins - August 10, 2011 at 8:46 pm - Permalink - Source via Alexander Higgins Blog
British Prime Minister David Cameron promotes a racist’s Facebook group on a national address aired on the BBC and on his own Facebook page.

There are widespread allegations of system racism throughout England.

The British media is full of racially charged articles about the protestors.

This article on the UK’s Mirror blames the riots on black rappers and their urban culture.

In this article on The Telegraph the author assert she “instinctively knew” the blacks were behind the riots.

Then you have the The Daily Mail article which goes on and on about the “black animals” as “poor, jobless, uneducated, welfare dependent, and brutalised youngsters”.

Perhaps even worse than the blatantly open racism are the calls from the London media to beat brutality beat members of the public and use lethal riot deterrence techniques.

Perhaps the most shocking display of racism and discontent for the masses comes from the leader of England himself.

Earlier the British Prime Minister David Cameron announced plans to disregard calls to respect human rights violations in dealing with the London protests and authorized police to shoot so-called “rioters” on sight.

Then In another show of systematic racism that plagues England the Prime minister took things to another level in the address.

In a nationwide broadcast aired on the BBC today Mr. Cameron endorsed the Facebook page of a racist pig and went on to “like” the group on his Facebook page.

David Cameron Endorses Racists Facebook Group
While step’s have been undertaken, most likely by the government, to hide the groups ties to the racist founder Wings Over Sealand has done an excellent job of documenting the racists ties and the attempt to cover it up.

David Cameron’s new best friend

You may have seen David Cameron on the news today, anointing himself head of the “New Moral Army”, promising a “fightback” against rioters, and praising (at 0.53) “the million people on Facebook who’ve signed up to support the police”. The group in question was created, and is run, by this lovely chap:


Well, that doesn’t seem the sort of thing the Prime Minister should be getting behind, does it? But wait. There are more rib-ticklers where that came from.

The funniest one is probably this one:


…in which Boscott attempts to deny responsibility for the “Junglebook” post, claiming a hacked Twitter account. Fair enough, you might think. These things happen, but luckily his account appears to be under his control again, spewing out hundreds of anti-rioter tweets in recent days and gathering tens of thousands of followers.

Though oddly, rather than being about social justice or supporting the police, the profile claims to be mostly about “bad taste/offensive jokes” and “Adult Humour not 4 wimps”. You might think that some would consider that description to fit the “Junglebook” line quite well, and that Boscott’s denial of having posted it therefore smelt a bit fishy.


What you might think of doing then was going back through Boscott’s tweets of the last few days, which are still there on the feed for anyone to see and which he doesn’t appear to be denying responsibility for.








I see.


Short of material already?


Topical satire!


Well, at least it’s not just the blacks, I guess.


It’s nice to see that, a bit like Michael McIntyre, he’s keen to promote other young up-and-coming comics too.


And it gets more mysterious – this sidesplitter is from the same date as the “Junglebook” tweet. Boscott is presumably in sole control of his Twitter account now. So why is this sort of thing, which we’re told was someone else’s handiwork, still here? What possible explanation could there be? Perhaps he just doesn’t know how the “Delete this tweet” button works. Yes, that must be it.

Call me over-sensitive, but I’m not sure this guy leading a vast army of the Met’s cheerleaders is going to be all that constructive over the days ahead in healing the nation’s wounds. And I’m pretty certain it’s not someone the Prime Minister of the country really ought to be singling out for praise.


But hey, I’m just some pinko liberal, what do I know?

EDIT (8.15pm): Boscott’s Twitter profile has been hastily edited since this feature appeared, replacing his picture and the profile description. The before and after shots are below. Maybe he’s finally started to work out how to try to cover his tracks after all. Just slightly too late there, fella.

More here (http://wosblog.podgamer.com/2011/08/10/david-camerons-new-best-friend/)

Jan Klimkowski
08-11-2011, 08:31 PM

An Open Letter to David Cameron’s Parents
Dear Mr & Mrs Cameron,

Why did you never take the time to teach your child basic morality?

As a young man, he was in a gang that regularly smashed up private property. We know that you were absent parents who left your child to be brought up by a school rather than taking responsibility for his behaviour yourselves. The fact that he became a delinquent with no sense of respect for the property of others can only reflect that fact that you are terrible, lazy human beings who failed even in teaching your children the difference between right and wrong. I can only assume that his contempt for the small business owners of Oxford is indicative of his wider values.

Even worse, your neglect led him to fall in with a bad crowd.

This is a reference to the apparently criminal behaviour of Tory toffs Cameron, Osborne & Boris Johnson when members of the exclusive Oxford University drinking club known as the Bullingdon (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?5034-Mayor-of-London-Warns-George-W-Bush-War-Criminal-Bring-Book-Tour-to-Britain-and-Never-See-TX-Again).

Gary Severson
08-11-2011, 09:36 PM
Wisconsin state fair racial flash mob Gov. Walker created.


Ed Jewett
08-12-2011, 02:51 AM
China, North Korea, Iran, Libya… David Cameron Threatens to Shut Down UK Social Networks When Pre-Crime Detected

August 11th, 2011
Via: Thinq:http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/8/11/cameron-threatens-shut-down-uk-social-networks/

In a move worthy of China’s communist regime, UK PM David Cameron wants to shut down social networks whenever civil unrest rears its head in Britain’s towns and cities.

Speaking in the House of Commons, Cameron said, “Everyone watching these horrific actions will be struck by how they were, organised via social media.
“Free flow of information can be used for good. But it can also be used for ill. So we are working with the police, the intelligence services and industry to look at whether it would be right to stop people communicating via these websites and services when we know they are plotting violence, disorder and criminality.”
Although the Old Etonian didn’t give any clue as to how he intends to block use of the likes of Twitter, Facebook and BlackBerry messenger – which have all been implicated in the mob’s ability to stay 17 steps ahead of the cops as they turn up hours after the nation’s shops and businesses have been picked clean by gangs of feral teenagers – but the only way we can see it working is if the entire cellular network is turned off in affected areas.

Posted in Dictatorship, Surveillance, Technology


Ed Jewett
08-12-2011, 04:16 AM
August 11, 2011

The London Riots in Historical Perspective

Policing the Crisis




Weekend Edition
August 12 - 14, 2011

Slash and Burn as the New Normal

Feral Capitalism Hits the Streets



Ed Jewett
08-12-2011, 05:15 AM

Carsten Wiethoff
08-12-2011, 06:09 AM
...but the only way we can see it working is if the entire cellular network is turned off in affected areas.

I can hear that statement from the police speaker:
"We are inifinitely sorry that you were unable to contact the police and the fire department when your house was burning and your sister was being lynched, but it was necessary to cut all communications in the area to prevent further violence."

On review it looks like Cameron said:

Mr Speaker, everyone watching these horrific actions will be stuck by how they were organised via social media.
Free flow of information can be used for good. But it can also be used for ill.
And when people are using social media for violence we need to stop them.
So we are working with the Police, the intelligence services and industry to look at whether it would be right to stop people communicating via these websites and services when we know they are plotting violence, disorder and criminality.
I have also asked the police if they need any other new powers.

This goes more in the direction of internet censorship and not shutting off the mobile network.

Ed Jewett
08-12-2011, 07:16 AM
"With our all-knowing, all-seeing eye in the sky, street, communications, bedroom and underwear system, there is no need for emergency communications. We will already know what is happening, when it is happening, where it is happening, and sometimes even before it is happening, and we will react and respond as we think it best befitting national security, social order, and the best interests of the oligarchs."

...but the only way we can see it working is if the entire cellular network is turned off in affected areas.

I can hear that statement from the police speaker:
"We are inifinitely sorry that you were unable to contact the police and the fire department when your house was burning and your sister was being lynched, but it was necessary to cut all communications in the area to prevent further violence."

On review it looks like Cameron said:

Mr Speaker, everyone watching these horrific actions will be stuck by how they were organised via social media.
Free flow of information can be used for good. But it can also be used for ill.
And when people are using social media for violence we need to stop them.
So we are working with the Police, the intelligence services and industry to look at whether it would be right to stop people communicating via these websites and services when we know they are plotting violence, disorder and criminality.
I have also asked the police if they need any other new powers.

This goes more in the direction of internet censorship and not shutting off the mobile network.

Magda Hassan
08-12-2011, 09:26 AM
We got drunk trashed the Ritz, and then walked down Piccadilly to loot a few items from Fortnums.

Jan Klimkowski
08-12-2011, 06:47 PM
Two fundamental points about social media during these UK riots:

i) it provides police with an evidential trail which will be used to attempt to bring prosecutions;

ii) certain social media channels crashed to unavailable in key locations at key times during the riots.

Draw your own conclusions about politicians calling for more access to, control over, and even blackouts, of social media.

My clear conclusion is that politicians from across the spectrum will eagerly seek to gain ever more intrusive powers into our individual lives when an opportunity presents itself.

Draconian new powers would represent the legalisation of actions which are often currently illegal for governments or police to perform.

Jan Klimkowski
08-12-2011, 07:26 PM
The Independent Police Complaints Commission?

Mark Duggan death: IPCC says it inadvertently misled media

Police watchdog says it led media to believe shots were exchanged but Duggan was carrying gun that was never used

Paul Lewis guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/12/mark-duggan-ipcc-misled-media), Friday 12 August 2011 17.47 BST

The police watchdog investigating the death of Mark Duggan, whose shooting by police sparked the first bout of rioting in London on Saturday, has said it may have "inadvertently" misled journalists into believing the Tottenham man had fired at police.

Responding to inquiries from the Guardian, the Independent Police Complaints Commission said in a statement: "it seems possible that we may have verbally led journalists to believe that shots were exchanged".

Duggan, 29, was shot dead after the Toyota Estima minicab he was a passenger in was stopped by Metropolitan poloce officers at around 6.15pm, in Ferry Lane, on Thursday 4 August.

Duggan was carrying a loaded gun but it was not used. Investigators have established that two shots were fired by one CO19 firearms officer.

A postmortem examination concluded that Duggan was killed by a single gunshot wound to the chest. He also received a second gunshot wound to his right arm.

A police officer was also injured after a bullet – presumably from a ricochet – lodged in his police radio.

The alleged failure by the IPCC to provide Duggan's family and the local community with reliable information in the aftermath of his death was part of the reason local people took to the streets to protest last week.

The peaceful demonstration outside Tottenham police station later descended into rioting and looting that, within days, had inspired "copycat" disorder across England.

Duggan's family consistently said that if he was carrying a loaded weapon, they did not believe he would have fired at police.

The firearms officer who shot Duggan has said that he never claimed he was fired at and is understood to be upset that the family might have been misled into believing this.

It was scepticism surrounding the official account of his death – reinforced by BlackBerry messages drawing attention to the inconsistencies in the account given by the authorities – that led people to protest two days later.

The IPCC's first statement about Duggan's death, issued four hours after he was pronounced dead, made no reference to shots fired at police.

However, at least one spokesperson from the watchdog appears to have misinformed journalists, leading to reports the following that day that Duggan was killed by police after "firing first".

The Evening Standard said Duggan had been involved in a "shootout", adding that "spokesman for the [IPCC] said it appeared the officer was shot first before police returned fire".

The Mirror quoted an IPCC spokesman saying: "We do not know the order the shots were fired. We understand the officer was shot first, then the male."

An article in the Independent made a similar claim. It reported: "It is understood that the officer was shot first, but this is not known for certain, an IPCC spokesperson said."

The IPCC statement has said: "Analysis of media coverage and queries raised on Twitter have alerted to us to the possibility that we may have inadvertently given misleading information to journalists when responding to very early media queries following the shooting of Mark Duggan by MPS officers on the evening of 4 August."

Conceding it was possible it had issued information suggesting shots were exchanged, the IPCC added: "This was consistent with early information we received that an officer had been shot and taken to hospital.

"Any reference to an exchange of shots was not correct and did not feature in any of our formal statements, although an officer was taken to hospital after the incident."

Ed Jewett
08-13-2011, 04:37 AM
Weekend Edition
August 12 - 14, 2011

CounterPunch Diary

Riots and the Underclass


What’s a riot without looting? We want it, they’ve got it! You’d think from the press that looting was alien to British tradition, imported by immigrants more recent than the Normans. Not so. Gavin Mortimer, author of The Blitz, had an amusing piece in the First Post about the conduct of Britons at the time of their Finest Hour:

“It didn't take long for a hardcore of opportunists to realise there were rich pickings available in the immediate aftermath of a raid – and the looting wasn't limited to civilians.

“In October 1940 Winston Churchill ordered the arrest and conviction of six London firemen caught looting from a burned-out shop to be hushed up by Herbert Morrison, his Home Secretary. The Prime Minister feared that if the story was made public it would further dishearten Londoners struggling to cope with the daily bombardments…

“The looting was often carried out by gangs of children organized by a Fagin figure; he would send them into bombed-out houses the morning after a raid with orders to target coins from gas meters and display cases containing First World War medals. In April 1941 Lambeth juvenile court dealt with 42 children in one day, from teenage girls caught stripping clothes from dead bodies to a seven-year-old boy who had stolen five shillings from the gas meter of a damaged house. In total, juvenile crime accounted for 48 per cent of all arrests in the nine months between September 1940 and May 1941 and there were 4,584 cases of looting.

“Joan Veazey, whose husband was a vicar in Kennington, south London, wrote in her diary after one raid in 1940: "The most sickening thing was to see people like vultures, picking up things and taking them away. I didn't like to feel that English people would do this, but they did."

“Perhaps the most shameful episode of the whole Blitz occurred on the evening of March 8 1941 when the Cafe de Paris in Piccadilly was hit by a German bomb. The cafe was one of the most glamorous night spots in London, the venue for off-duty officers to bring their wives and girlfriends, and within minutes of its destruction the looters moved in.

"Some of the looters in the Cafe de Paris cut off the people's fingers to get the rings," recalled Ballard Berkeley, a policeman during the Blitz who later found fame as the 'Major' in Fawlty Towers. Even the wounded in the Cafe de Paris were robbed of their jewellery amid the confusion and carnage.”

A revolution is not a tea party, sniffed Lenin, but he should have added that it often starts off with a big party. Perhaps he was acknowledging that when he said a revolution was “a festival of the oppressed.” After the storming of the Winter Palace in October 1917 everyone was drunk for three days, conduct of which the prissy Vladimir Illich no doubt heartily disapproved.

The riots in London last week started in Tottenham in an area with the highest unemployment in London, in response to the police shooting a young black man, in a country where black people are 26 times more likely to stopped and searched by the cops than whites. Stop-and-searches are allowed under Section 60 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994, introduced to deal with football hooligans. It allows police to search anyone in a designated area without specific grounds for suspicion. Use of Section 60 has risen more than 300 per cent between 2005 and last year. In 1997/98 there were 7,970 stop-and-searches, increasing to 53,250 in 2007/08 and 149,955 in 2008/09. Between 2005/06 and 2008/09 the number of Section 60 searches of black people rose by more than 650 per cent.

The day after the heaviest night of rioting I saw Darcus Howe, originally from Trinidad and former editor of Race and Class, now a broadcaster and columnist, being questioned by a snotty BBC interviewer, Fiona Armstrong. We ran it last week as website of the day. Howe linked the riots to upsurges by the oppressed across the Middle East and then remarked that when he’d recently asked his son how many times he’d been stopped and searched by the police, his boy answered that it had happened too often for him to count. To which point Ms Armstrong, plainly irked by the trend in the conversation in which Howe was conspicuously failing in his assigned task – namely to denounce the rioters – said nastily, ““You are not a stranger to riots yourself I understand, are you? You have taken part in them yourself?”

“I have never taken part in a single riot. I've been on demonstrations that ended up in a conflict,” the 67-year old Howe answered indignantly. “Have some respect for an old West Indian negro and stop accusing me of being a rioter because you wanted for me to get abusive. You just sound idiotic — have some respect.” The BBC later apologized to those offended by what it agreed was “a poorly phrased question.”

Back in 1981, I interviewed Howe in his Race and Class office after the Brixton and Toxteth riots. Overweening police power and state racism were fuelling unofficial racism, with innumerable murderous attacks on blacks in a Britain ravaged by Margaret Thatcher’s economic policies. At the start of April, 1981, the police launched Operation Swamp 81 to combat street crime. More than 1,000 people were stopped and questioned in the first four days. The uprising in Brixton began on April 9 and lasted through April 11. There were 4,000 police in the area and 286 people arrested. By the weekend of July 10-12 riots were taking place in 30 towns and cities – black and white youths together and in some case white youths alone. They were scenes, as Lord Scarman said of Brixton, “of violence and disorder… the like of which had not previously been seen in this century in Britain.

“The riots opened up an entirely new political ethos,” Howe said to me back then. “To understand the organizational stages that we are moving to, it is essential to know that in the late 1960s there were black-power organizations in almost every city in this country. A combination of repression – not as sharp as in the United States – but repression British style and Harold Wilson’s political cynicism undermined that movement. What he did was offer a lot of money to the black community, which set up all kinds of advice centers and projects for this and projects for that. So, in some black communities, if you have a headache somebody is onto you saying, ‘Well, look, I have a project with blacks with headaches.’ That paralysed the political initiative of blacks. It was done for you by the state and, as you know, Britain is saturated with the concept of welfare.The riots have broken through that completely, smashed it to smithereens, indicating that it has no palliative, no cure for the cancer.”

AC: “You’re looking toward a black/white mass organization?”

“Black/white mass movement. But one must always point to what we are heading for. What are we aiming for? Are we aiming for the vulgarity of a better standard of living. I think a passion has arisen in the breasts of millions of people in the world for a kind of democratic form and shape which would equal parliamentary democracy in its creativity and innovation.”

AC: “Let’s look at a likely future for Britain: enormous structural unemployment, the creation of a permanent underclass..”

“Permanent unemployed, that is what is on the agenda, with the revolutionizing of production, with the microchip. Now what the British working class has to do is break out of this demand for jobs, which characterized the 1930s, the Jarrow marches, and so on. They will have to lift themselves to the new reality, which will of course call for the merciless shortening of the working day, the working week, and the working life, and a concentration on leisure and the quality of work… They say, ‘March for jobs.’ What jobs?”

AC: It’s stimulating to hear you say this, because the left seems to have a lot of illusions about this. The slogan should really be, ‘Less work,’ not ‘More work.’

“’Less work, more money.’ And that’s a vulgarity too. ‘Less work, more leisure.’ We have built up over the centuries the technological capacity to release people from that kind of servitude.”

AC: So then you have to talk about redistribution of wealth.

“Free distribution. A completely new ethos. And we are on the verge of it. “

AC: Don’t you think that pathological symptoms, including racism, will increase as people fight on the scrap heap, as the economy goes down?”

“I agree. Something else increases too. Side by side, living in the same atom as pathology, is the possibility to lift. You can’t reach the lifting stage without the pathological stage. Crabs in a barrel. Or you leap. The leap depends on what dominant political ideology is presented to the population.”

AC: You view the current decline of the Labour Party with considerable optimism?”

“Considerable optimism.”

It was six in the evening and outside the Race Today offices people were sloshing through the puddles on the way home from work, or standing about in doorways. Howe got up and stretched, then picked up a document.
“Listen to this,” he said. “After the uprising in Moss Side last July they appointed a local Manchester barrister called Hytner to enquire into what happened. Here’s what he writes:

“At about 10.20 pm a responsible and in our view reliable mature black citizen was in Moss Side East and observed a large number of black youths whom he recognized as having come from a club a mile away. At the same time a horde of white youths came up the road from the direction of Moss Side. He spoke to them and ascertained they were from Wythenshawe. The two groups met and joined. There was nothing in the manner of their meeting which in any way reflected a prearranged plan. There was a sudden shout and the mob stormed off in the direction of Moss Side police station. We are given an account by another witness who saw the mob approach the station, led, so it was claimed, by a nine-year-old boy with those with Liverpool accents in the van.’”

Howe smiled. “Whites from Wytheshawe, blacks from Moss Side, no prearranged plan. They gather. There was a shout. ‘On to Moss side police station.’ That gives you some indication. You must have a convergence of interests in order for that to happen.”

That was a interchange at the start of the Eighties. Here we are thirty years later, structural unemployment etched ever more deeply into the economy of Britain, now in a melding of Thatcherism and New Labor’s follow-on from Thatcherism, abysmal poverty and hopelessness in Tottenham and similar districts coexisting at close quarters with profligacy and corruption saturating the higher social tiers and the political sector in one of the most unequal, class-divided cities in Europe.

As the Daily Mash puts it: "Many of these kids are less then two miles away from people who get multi-million pound bonuses for catastrophic failure and live in a culture where the material excess of people who are famous for nothing is rammed relentlessly into their faces by middle-brow tabloid newspapers. And of course later today the looters will be condemned in Parliament by a bunch of people who stole money by accident.”

Bands of youths make for stores in Central London in part to exact revenge on places that contemptuously rejected their applications for a job. One group methodically worked its way through a tony restaurant in Notting Hill Gate, relieving the clientele of their wallets.

I’ve no idea what levels of political organization there are in the ghettoes, nor the possibility of unity, amid the stories of murderous racial clashes between blacks and Asians, with Turks and Sikhs arrayed in defense of their modest stores and temples.

On the state agenda of every advanced industrial nation, in the ebb from the great post World War 2 economic boom, is the simple question: amid vast structural unemployment and diminished social expectations how best to assuage the alarm expressed by James Anderton in 1980, when he was Chief Constable of Greater Manchester. Anderton gave it as his considered opinion that “from the police point of view … theft, burglary, even violent crime will not be the predominant police feature. What will be the matter of greatest concern will be the covert and ultimately overt attempts to overthrow democracy, to subvert the authority of the state.”

Britain had its Notting Hill Gate riots in 1958, and Justice Salmon sent nine white Teddy Boys to long terms in prison, saying, “We must establish the rights of everyone, irrespective of the color of their skin … to walk through our streets with their heads erect and free from fear.”

Twenty years later, in 1978 Judge McKinnon ruled that Kingsley Read, head of the fascist National Party, was not guilty of incitement to racial hatred when he said publicly of 18-year-old Gurdip Singh Chaggar, set upon by white youths and stabbed to death, “One down, one million to go.”

In the interval British governments, both Conservative and Labour, falteringly, with occasional remissions and bouts of bad conscience, proceeded down the path to racism. Pace David Cameron’s recent pronouncement of its death, between the late 1940s and the late 1960s the chance of establishing a multiracial society was squandered.

In the 1960s, America saw fearsome ghetto riots from Newark, to Detroit, to the city of Watts in Los Angeles The state’s response was a threefold strategy: first, buy your way out. Money sluiced into “urban renewal schemes” basically aimed as various forms of ethnic cleansing and wholesale destruction of black neighborhoods. Gentrification and deindustrialization assisted in this process. Across the next twenty years, for example, the manufacturing base of Los Angeles simply disappeared.

Since these shifts involved the creation of new ghettoes, the second strategy was ever more stringent policing, with federal money pouring into city law enforcement across the country, the creation of heavily armed SWAT teams, even in tiny communities. The third strategy was the conversion of a political threat – political activism by the Black Panthers and other national organizations (many of whose leaders were straightforwardly murdered by the police) – into a crime problem, a.k.a the “war on drugs,” launched in 1969 by Richard Nixon who emphasized to his chief aide, H.R. Haldeman, that the whole problem [drugs] was really the blacks. The key is to devise a system that recognizes this while not appearing to.”

There is plenty of evidence that the strategists of the state’s response to black political insurgency were far from unhappy to see poor neighborhoods demobilized by drugs, black-on-black violence, as gangs fought bloody turf wars for street corner concessions.

Across the next 35 years the U.S. prison population rose relentlessly, the cells disproportionately filled with blacks and Hispanics. The “system” had devised a useful differential in sentencing that saw blacks and other poor people serving vastly longer terms for possession of crack, rather than powder cocaine – a middle-class preference.

The last major race riot in America was in 1992, following the release of a video of a black man, Rodney King, being savagely beaten by Los Angeles cops. By the 1990s, the “buy-out” strategy had evolved into vast programs of prison construction, paralleling the rise of gated residential communities replete with walls and armed guards keeping the bad guts out.

America this year has been waking up to two increasingly self-evident truths: violent crime rates – for murder, robbery, aggravated assault and rape – have been falling, and are now at their lowest level for nearly 40 years. Fears that the 2008 crash and indisputably harsh economic times for poor people would produce a new crime wave have proved to be baseless. In 2010, New York saw 536 murders – 65 more than in 2009, which was the lowest since 1963.

All crime rates in Los Angeles have been dropping for two decades. Homicides plunged 18 percent last year. Violent crime is roughly the same in LA as in Portland, Oregon, the whitest major city in America, the same as it was in the lily-white LA of the early 1960s.The 1960s, when crime rates rose, had roughly the same unemployment rate as the late 1990s and early 2000s, when crime fell.

Twenty years ago, conservative criminologists here were drawing up graphic scenarios of cities held hostage by gangs of feral black youth. City police forces compiled vast computer data banks of “gangs,” and suspects linked to a gang drew heavier sentences, shoved into a penal system where remedial counseling, post release job training had vanished.

Did crime fall because all the bad guys were locked up? No one claims this beyond 25 percent of the reduction – itself a very high estimate. Another theory is that by the mid 1990s the crack wars were over, and the victors enjoying their hard-won monopolies under the overall supervision of the police. Other theories were recently explored by professor James Q. Wilson, an influential conservative sociologist:

"There may also be a medical reason for the decline in crime. For decades, doctors have known that children with lots of lead in their blood are much more likely to be aggressive, violent and delinquent. In 1974, the Environmental Protection Agency required oil companies to stop putting lead in gasoline. At the same time, lead in paint was banned for any new home (though old buildings still have lead paint, which children can absorb). Tests have shown that the amount of lead in Americans' blood fell by four-fifths between 1975 and 1991. A 2007 study by the economist Jessica Wolpaw Reyes contended that the reduction in gasoline lead produced more than half of the decline in violent crime during the 1990s in the U.S. and might bring about greater declines in the future."

Cocaine use has been declining. Wilson cites a study of13,000 people arrested in Manhattan between 1987 and 1997, a disproportionate number of whom were black: "Those born between 1948 and 1969 were heavily involved with crack cocaine, but those born after 1969 used very little crack and instead smoked marijuana. The reason was simple: the younger African Americans had known many people who used crack and other hard drugs and wound up in prisons, hospitals and morgues. The risks of using marijuana were far less serious. This shift in drug use, if the New York City experience is borne out in other locations, can help to explain the fall in black inner-city crime rates after the early 1990s."

Simultaneous to the drop in violent crime rates has come the discovery that America can’t afford to lock up 2.3 million people for years on end. It’s too expensive. When he’s not praying to a Christian God to save America, Gov. Perry of Texas is trying to save the state’s budget in part by getting convicts out of prisons and into various diversion programs.

So, by after a nearly 40-year detour into a gulag Republic, with 25 percent of the world’s prisoners, America is retrenching toward softer solutions. The War on Drugs and the War and Crime carry a heavy price tag. A generation's worth of "wars on crime" and of glor*ification of the men and women in blue have engendered a culture of law enforcement that is all too often vicious*ly violent, contemptuous of the law, morally corrupt, and confident of the credulity of the courts. In Chicago, police ignored witnesses, dis*counted testimony, as they bustled the innocent onto Death Row. In New York, a plain-clothes posse of heav*ily armed cops roamed the streets, justifiably confident that their lethal onslaught would receive official protec*tion, which it did until an unprecedented popular uproar brought the perpetrators to book.

These aren't isolated cases. There isn't a state in the union where cops aren't perjuring themselves, using excessive force, targeting minorities.

Those endless wars on crime and drugs – a staple of 90 percent of America's politicians these last thirty years – have engendered not merely 2.3 million prisoners but a vindictive hysteria that pulses on the threshold of homi*cide in the bosoms of many of our uniformed law enforcers. Time and again, one hears stories attesting to the fact that they are ready, at a moment's notice or a slender pretext, to blow someone away, beat him to a pulp, throw him in the slammer, sew him up with police perjuries and snitch-driven charges, and try to toss him in a dungeon for a quarter-century or more.

The price for decades of this mythmaking and cop boosterism? It was summed up in the absurdity of the declaration of the U.S. Supreme Court, in 2000, that flight from a police officer constitutes sound reason for arrest. Actually, it constitutes plain common sense.

Emergency laws, rushed through by panicked politicians, are always bad. It will take America many decades, if ever, to restore civil liberties, approach crime rationally – and this will only come with courageous and inventive political leadership in the poor communities. Britons should study carefully the lessons of Americans’ 40-year swerve.

Back in 1981 Howe put the right questions on the agenda. We’ve got further away from answering them, and in fact the left rarely asks them at all, bobbing along in the neoliberal backwash that began in the early 1970s.


Ed Jewett
08-13-2011, 05:23 AM

The Meaning of the British Riots


Painting by Anthony Freda: www.AnthonyFreda.com

Corruption At The Top Leads To Lawlessness By The People
I've repeatedly noted that corruption and lawlessness by our "leaders" encourages lawlessness by everyone else. See this, for example.

Peter Oborne - the Daily Telegraph's chief political commentator - wrote yesterday:

The criminality in our streets cannot be dissociated from the moral disintegration in the highest ranks of modern British society. The last two decades have seen a terrifying decline in standards among the British governing elite. It has become acceptable for our politicians to lie and to cheat. An almost universal culture of selfishness and greed has grown up.

It is not just the feral youth of Tottenham who have forgotten they have duties as well as rights. So have the feral rich ....

The so-called feral youth seem oblivious to decency and morality. But so are the venal rich and powerful – too many of our bankers, footballers, wealthy businessmen and politicians.


The sad young men and women, without hope or aspiration ... have caused such mayhem and chaos over the past few days. But the rioters have this defence: they are just following the example set by senior and respected figures in society. Let’s bear in mind that many of the youths in our inner cities have never been trained in decent values. All they have ever known is barbarism. Our politicians and bankers, in sharp contrast, tend to have been to good schools and universities and to have been given every opportunity in life.

Something has gone horribly wrong in Britain. If we are ever to confront the problems which have been exposed in the past week, it is essential to bear in mind that they do not only exist in inner-city housing estates.

The culture of greed and impunity we are witnessing on our TV screens stretches right up into corporate boardrooms and the Cabinet. It embraces the police and large parts of our media. It is not just its damaged youth, but Britain itself that needs a moral reformation.

Osborne also gives specific examples of corruption, such as the prime minister's involvement in the Murdoch scandal, and members of parliament abusing expense accounts.

Indeed, the rioters themselves agreed. As Reuters notes:
Speaking to Reuters late on Tuesday, looters and other local people in east London pointed to the wealth gap as the underlying cause, also blaming what they saw as police prejudice and a host of recent scandals.

Spending cuts were now hitting the poorest hardest, they said, and after tales of politicians claiming excessive expenses, alleged police corruption and bankers getting rich it was their turn to take what they wanted.

"They set the example," said one youth after riots in the London district of Hackney. "It's time to loot."

(Indeed, looting by the bankers has been shown by a Nobel prize winning economist as being the root cause of the S&L crisis and today's economic crisis).

Austerity Leads To Rioting And Unrest
I've previously argued that the British riots are due to bad economic policy which has created rampant inequality. (As I've noted for years, raging inequality and policies which help the big boys at the expense of the "little people" are causing unrest - not just in Egypt - but worldwide.)

As the above-quoted Reuters article notes:

"I don't think the implications of this have been fully thought through or accepted yet," said Pepe Egger, western Europe analyst for London-based consultancy Exclusive Analysis.

"What we have here is the result of decades of growing divisions and marginalization, but austerity will almost certainly make it worse. Yes, the police can restore control with massive force but that is not sustainable either in the long term. You have to accept that this may happen again."


Analyst Louise Taggart at security consultancy AKE said that in time urban unrest worries could make it harder to cut other programs as well, including sorely needed education and community services. It went well beyond Britain, she said.
"Across Europe, we've already seen some incidence of civil unrest," she said, saying it would almost inevitably impact policy. "There's definitely a likelihood that similar scenes might erupt when austerity cuts really start to be felt."

Indeed, a study this month by economists Hans-Joachim Voth and Jacopo Ponticelli shows that - from 1919 to the present - austerity leads to violence and instability:
Does fiscal consolidation lead to social unrest? From the end of the Weimar Republic in Germany in the 1930s to anti-government demonstrations in Greece in 2010-11, austerity has tended to go hand in hand with politically motivated violence and social instability. In this paper, we assemble cross-country evidence for the period 1919 to the present, and examine the extent to which societies become unstable after budget cuts. The results show a clear positive correlation between fiscal retrenchment and instability. We test if the relationship simply reflects economic downturns, and conclude that this is not the key factor. We also analyse interactions with various economic and political variables. While autocracies and democracies show a broadly similar responses to budget cuts, countries with more constraints on the executive are less likely to see unrest as a result of austerity measures.

As CNN notes:

Studying instances of austerity and unrest in Europe between 1919 to 2009, Ponticelli and Voth conclude that there is a “clear link between the magnitude of expenditure cutbacks and increases in social unrest. With every additional percentage point of GDP in spending cuts, the risk of unrest increases.”

“Expenditure cuts carry a significant risk of increasing the frequency of riots, anti-government demonstrations, general strikes, political assassinations, and attempts at revolutionary overthrow of the established order. While these are low probability events in normal years, they become much more common as austerity measures are implemented.”

Corruption And Austerity = Global Unrest

Time Magazine's Global Spin blog sums up these two threads nicely:

Simply working hard and playing by the rules is no longer a path to prosperity or even a dignified future in much of the industrialized West, where neoliberal economic policies have funneled most of the wealth created in recent decades to a small, already wealthy elite, while shrinking the middle class finds its living standard steadily declining, and more than one in five young people is unemployed with no prospect of finding work in the foreseeable future.

The looters respond to their circumstances by simply breaking the rules and grabbing whatever they can, while the moment -- and their capacity to hurt anyone who gets in their way -- allows it. The protestors, who are far more numerous, despond by demanding that the rules be changed, and they're on the streets because they believe that even the democratic political system has failed them, producing governments in thrall to the interests of financial elites regardless of which party dominates. And the British anti-austerity programs are echoed on the streets of Madrid and Barcelona, Rome and Lisbon, Athens and Tel Aviv -- an Austerity Intifada is sweeping Europe.

The term "looting" commonly describes the actions of those who help themselves to the merchandize of stricken stores when social order breaks down. But many of those in the more orderly protests on the streets of Europe accuse the Western world's bankers of doing the same to the state, demanding bailouts to save them from the consequences of their catastrophic mistakes, leaving them sitting pretty while public debt balloons and the middle class and poor are expected to shoulder the burden of austerity.

Whether they respond with disciplined protest or nihilism and criminality, millions of young people in Europe today see playing by the rules of the socio-economic and political status quo as offering them no decent future. Politicians may comfort themselves with the notion that the social unrest on the streets is simply a problem of a "culture of irresponsibility" and deviance, but if mainstream society is unable to integrate whole swathes of its youth population and give them a stake in playing by the rules, it's going to face growing discontent.


The protests that have shaken Spain, Greece, Portugal, France, Israel and Britain this year (even before this week's rioting) suggest that the pattern continues. The orgy of looting and vandalism that Britain suffered this week may have been simply the ugly Halloween face of a far broader wave of social unrest that expresses not simply economic discontent, but the declining legitimacy of the political system in the minds of millions of people who see it as serving the interests of a narrow elite at the expense of the majority.

More vigorous policing will drive the thugs off the streets and restore a tenuous calm. But keeping them off the streets, and integrating them -- and the hundreds of thousands who have poured onto the streets in peaceful protests -- into a socio-economic system that offers them a future and a stake in social stability is a challenge that may be nearing crisis proportions.


Peter Lemkin
08-13-2011, 06:33 AM
Very interesting historical viewpoint! The BBC had its own [they do occasionally still rise to an occasion, if rarely!] interesting expert analyst today who spoke to had prior been studying the exact population that most was involved in the street insurrections and redistribution of property. She spoke about the very low levels of literacy, education, hope, chances in life to get out of the lowest classes, as well as prejudices against them, etc. The matter of a highly classed society has long come back to haunt 'jolly' England. :pirate: As others have pointed out the upper classes also have their oft approved or overlooked ways of redistribution of wealth - but the state comes down hard on those who are not supposed to 'have' to 'get'. Sadly, ever was thus. The greater the disparity of wealth in a society, the greater the discord, discontent, and from time to time riot. :read: The growing disparity of class and wealth in the USA and other countries will soon have them following suit, methinks. :flypig:

Gary Severson
08-13-2011, 05:58 PM
The post above says in part

AC: It’s stimulating to hear you say this, because the left seems to have a lot of illusions about this. The slogan should really be, ‘Less work,’ not ‘More work.’

“’Less work, more money.’ And that’s a vulgarity too. ‘Less work, more leisure.’ We have built up over the centuries the technological capacity to release people from that kind of servitude.”

AC: So then you have to talk about redistribution of wealth.

“Free distribution. A completely new ethos. And we are on the verge of it. “

I find this an interesting view here that reflects the Marxist theory that automation will lead to communism because the productive capacity of society leads to a surplus of goods & services and eliminates work.

Keith Millea
08-13-2011, 06:50 PM

This morning I woke up in a curfew;
O God, I was a prisoner, too - yeah!
Could not recognize the faces standing over me;
They were all dressed in uniforms of brutality. Eh!

How many rivers do we have to cross,
Before we can talk to the boss? Eh!
All that we got, it seems we have lost;
We must have really paid the cost.

(That's why we gonna be)
Burnin' and a-lootin' tonight;
(Say we gonna burn and loot)
Burnin' and a-lootin' tonight;
(One more thing)
Burnin' all pollution tonight;
(Oh, yeah, yeah)
Burnin' all illusion tonight.

Oh, stop them!

Give me the food and let me grow;
Let the Roots Man take a blow.
All them drugs gonna make you slow now;
It's not the music of the ghetto. Eh!

Weepin' and a-wailin' tonight;
(Ooh, can't stop the tears!)
Weepin' and a-wailin' tonight;
(We've been suffering these long, long-a years)
Weepin' and a-wailin' tonight
(Will you say cheer?)
Weepin' and a-wailin' tonight
( ... )

Give me the food and let me grow;
Let the roots man take a blow.
All them drugs gonna make you slow;
It's not the music of the ghetto.

We gonna be burnin' and a-lootin' tonight;
(To survive, yeah!)
Burnin' and a-lootin' tonight;
(Save your babies' lives)
Burning all pollution tonight;
(Pollution ... )
Burning all illusion tonight
(Lord-a, Lord-a, Lord-a, Lord!)

Burning and a-looting tonight;
Burning and a-looting tonight;
Burning all pollution tonight.

Jan Klimkowski
08-14-2011, 11:54 AM
There's a public spat taking place in Blighty featuring PM Cameron and his senior ministers (such as Osborne and May) versus the UK's top cops, Orde (ACPO), Fahy (GMP) and Godwin (acting Met chief).

The entire government was lounging in expensive villas or waterskiing in exclusive locations, surrounded by taxpayer-funded security, when the riots broke out. On their early return from hols, desperate to "regain the initiative", the politicians claimed they'd cancelled all police leave and ordered 16,000 police (up from 6,000) onto the streets of London.

Despite Orde, Fahy and Godwin all wanting the job of Chief of the Metropolitan Police (vacant due to the Murdoch corruption scandal), these top coppers have reacted angrily to the politicians' claims, stating that the government has no power to order the cancellation of police leave and all operational policing decisions have been made by the police, not by politicians.

Sir Hugh Orde, President of the Association of Chief Police Officers said (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025457/London-riots-2011-Nick-Clegg-denies-rift-police-says-ministers-arent-trying-armchair-generals.html#ixzz1V0ETigk0): ‘The fact that politicians chose to come back is an irrelevance in terms of the tactics that were by then developing.

‘The more robust policing tactics you saw were not a function of political interference; they were a function of the numbers being available to allow the chief constables to change their tactics.’

The reality is that the cancellation of police leave is an emergency measure, and across the country tens of thousands of police officers have been moved from their standard 8-hour shifts to 12-hour shifts. This is clearly unsustainable in the medium or long term.

Cameron has reacted by appointing "US supercop Bill Bratton (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/13/bill-bratton-advice-uk-police)" as a special advisor to the government.

Police forces should be more assertive in their dealings with offenders so criminals would "fear them" and lose confidence in their ability to commit crimes, he (Bratton (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/13/bill-bratton-advice-uk-police)) said in an interview with the Telegraph.

Bratton advocates a doctrine of "escalating force" against criminals calling for rubber bullets, Tasers, pepper spray and water cannon as potential weapons.

Over the past two decades Bratton has gained a reputation for introducing bold measures to reduce crime, particularly in Los Angeles where he is credited with ushering in an era of safer streets and improved relations between police and communities.

I note in the fine print a fact that MSM has reported in passing but failed to draw any attention to:

Bratton.... is chairman of private security firm Kroll

The fact that Kroll is now directly advising the British government on the policing of the UK's streets fills me with dread.

On September 11, 2009, (Bratton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Bratton)) was awarded with the honorary title of Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire by Queen Elizabeth II.[1] In early August 2009, Bratton unexpectedly announced that effective October 31, 2009, he would resign his position as Chief of the Los Angeles Police Department to take a position as Chairman of Altegrity Risk International in New York City. On September 16, 2010, Bratton became the chairman of Kroll, an Altegrity company

And what kind of services do ARI and Bill Bratton CBE offer?

Altegrity Risk International (ARI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altegrity_Risk_International)) is a New York City based global risk consulting and information services company. A subsidiary of Altegrity, Inc. of Falls Church, VA, ARI provides investigations, business intelligence, forensic accounting, compliance & monitoring and security services to businesses and government agencies around the world.

The spat between the top cops and the British government is window dressing.

The appointment of Bratton and what he represents is the significant deep political event.

Magda Hassan
08-14-2011, 12:07 PM
US supercop Bill Bratton (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/13/bill-bratton-advice-uk-police)" as a special advisor to the government.

I note in the fine print a fact that MSM has reported in passing but failed to draw any attention to:

Bratton.... is chairman of private security firm Kroll

The fact that Kroll is now directly advising the British government on the policing of the UK's streets fills me with dread.

:panic: :banghead:

Ed Jewett
08-15-2011, 07:21 AM
Commander Bratton (so honored by the Queen one September the 11th) joins former U.S. Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff, former CIA Director George Tenet, former FBI Director Louis Freeh, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly, and New York Senator Charles Schumer as recipients of the William and Naomi Gorowitz Institute Service Award, which salutes outstanding achievements in combating terrorism, extremism and injustice, and for making "a dramatic difference [in making Boston, NY and LA] safer and more secure for all, and his crime-fighting initiatives have been hailed and emulated by police departments throughout the world." This article asks the question of whether he changed the corrupt culture of the LAPD (http://governing.p2technology.com/article/did-bill-bratton-succeed-changing-lapds-culture), which was "copiously fictionalized in numerous movies, novels and television shows throughout its history"), and has been involved in numerous civil rights violations and race-based cases among other controversies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Police_Department#Controversy). The review of his book (http://www.amazon.com/Turnaround-Americas-Reversed-Crime-Epidemic/dp/0679452516), "The Turnaround" notes that "his mother caught him directing traffic in the street" when he was merely 18 months old.

I'd say Greater London is in for a ride.

Jan Klimkowski
08-15-2011, 05:11 PM
At the superficial level, this "US SUPERCOP" rubbish is truly pathetic political posturing by a desperate government which went on holiday and lost control of the streets.

At a deeper level, it suggests that a Shock Therapy government will hand control of intelligence and enforcement of Britain's streets to Kroll and the privatized Volkland Security apparatus as the austerity measures and greed culture click into overdrive.


Bill Bratton says he can lead police out of 'crisis' despite budget cuts

US police chief 'seriously interested' in Scotland Yard position though home secretary has banned foreigners from applying

Vikram Dodd and Allegra Stratton guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/14/bill-bratton-police-crisis-cuts), Sunday 14 August 2011 21.43 BST

The former US police chief Bill Bratton has said he is a "progressive" who can lead British policing out of "crisis", reduce crime despite budget cuts, and bring about "transformational" change in the aftermath of last week's UK riots.

In an interview with the Guardian, Bratton said he was "seriously" interested in the vacant post of commissioner of the Metropolitan police but that the home secretary, Theresa May, had been "adamant" in banning foreign nationals from applying.

Bratton – credited with turning around troubled police departments in New York and Los Angeles – is understood to have been David Cameron's choice to run Scotland Yard. Instead he will advise the prime minister on gangs and crime after the Home Office insisted that candidates must be British.

According to Whitehall sources, Bratton has also told friends that he was so keen to take the job he would be prepared to take British citizenship if it made the difference. Cameron's courting of Bratton continued to provoke criticism by senior British officers on Sunday.

Cameron will say in a speech today about the riots that Britain has undergone a "slow-motion moral collapse". The Labour leader, Ed Miliband, meanwhile will make a rival speech denouncing as "gimmicks" ideas put forward by senior Tories over the weekend to clamp down on crime with "zero tolerance".

The series of rows between the Tories and senior police officers intensified yesterday. They are disputing where the blame lies for the loss of control of the streets to looters, who deserves the credit for quelling the riots, and whether budget cuts will endanger public safety.

Among the day's developments:

• Chris Sims, chief constable of West Midlands police, criticised "empty slogans" after Cameron's remarks about a "zero tolerance" of crime – a theory Bratton used in New York. In a statement, Sims said: "I continue to work with the police authority to develop a policing response that is consistent with available good practice but is not slavishly adopting empty slogans."

• Theresa May, the home secretary, said it was her job to tell police chiefs "what the public want them to do". In his Guardian interview, Bratton hits out at those opposing foreign expertise to help UK policing and warns against being "parochial".

• The London mayor, Boris Johnson, said he would continue to fight for more police officers.

The appointment of Bratton as a consultant on gangs by the prime minister was attacked over the weekend by Sir Hugh Orde, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers.

In a swipe at Orde, who has dismissed the call for foreign police chiefs as "simply stupid", Bratton said Orde himself was successful as an Englishman coming in as an outsider to run the police in Northern Ireland. "I find it ironical, the hue and cry about outsiders," Bratton said.

He added that US police chiefs would be fired if they spoke out against politicians in the same way as Britain's top police officers have done.

Bratton's remarks are his most extensive yet on how his experience could, he claimed, make British streets safer, and will be seen by some as a job application.

He told the Guardian he had been "an outsider" when he took over police departments in the US and the situation with the Met "mirrors" those he inherited in New York and LA police departments.

The similarities were a leadership stepping down amid a corruption scandal, disorder on the streets, rows with politicians and community concerns about policing.

Bratton said: "The Met is having its share of issues and leadership crises, certainly. It is a mirror image of when I went into the NYPD and LAPD, and both those cities turned out quite well. I've been an outsider in every department I've worked in. Bureaucrats change processes, leaders change culture. I think of myself as a transformational leader who changes cultures."

Bratton said US police chiefs had shown their British counterparts the way, securing large falls in crime despite facing falling budgets. In LA, where he stepped down as police chief in 2009, despite high unemployment and a 15% budget cut, crime is down by 10%.

Bratton said: "You can run around saying, 'The sky is falling in, the sky is falling in,' or you actually do something about it. You have to play the hand you're dealt. I've always dealt initially with budget cuts.

"Out of crisis come opportunities. If you want to speed up the process of change, nothing does it better than a good old crisis."

Bratton said the chance to become Met commissioner was attractive: "If it was open to people other than British citizens, it would be something I would seriously consider. I understand the home secretary is adamant in opposing that."

Bratton declared he was steeped in the traditions of British policing and insisted he could change its culture. He said human rights were at the heart of his thinking: "Britain is the birthplace of democratic policing. Robert Peel's nine principles [of policing] shaped my thinking."

But it had to learn from elsewhere, he said: "Anyone who looks only inwards is not going to be as successful as someone who looks outside, the world over. It's a big world out there."

He said his track record demonstrated his toughness on crime. He told the Guardian he was a "progressive", pointing out that he hired more people from ethnic minorities, women, gay people and transvestite people to make the police forces he ran reflect the communities they serve.

The rebellion by British police chiefs spread , with fresh annoyance being triggered by Cameron telling a Sunday newspaper he wanted "zero tolerance" policing adopted on Britain's streets.

The courts opened their doors on a Sunday for the first time as the justice system continued to struggle to process suspected looters and rioters.

The police surge in numbers following the rioting was maintained , but unless there is further trouble or intelligence of fresh disorder, some areas will start reducing the officers out on the street on Monday .

British Police chiefs who thought government criticism was limited to the Met's handling of the outbreak of disorder in London, now feel the attack has spread to the reaction to force in the West Midlands and Greater Manchester.

On Sunday Chief Constable Sims said: "I look forward to being held to account for the decisions I have made over the past week which I believe were consistent with the available information and resources.

I am proud of how quickly the force adopted new tactics to this unprecedented challenge."

Amid stiff sentences being handed out to rioters and looters, Sims called for compassion not to be lost: "Sentencing is justifiably harsh but we must not at this time abandon all compassion for some of our very damaged young people who have been caught up in these incidents."

Tim Godwin, acting commissioner of the Met, said the criticism had led to "upset" among his command team and officers on the ground.

Andy Trotter, chief constable of British Transport police and a public order expert who is seriously considering applying for the Met commissionership, said he did not believe government claims that budget cuts would not damage the police: "We cannot pretend that the scale of cuts we face will not impact on the frontline of policing.

"It is simply not possible."

Jan Klimkowski
08-22-2011, 09:28 PM

Riots: Metropolitan police planned to hold all suspects in custody

Exclusive: leaked strategy amounts to a blanket policy of mass imprisonments and could lead to legal challenge, say lawyers

Polly Curtis, Whitehall correspondent guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/22/riots-metropolitan-police-suspects-custody), Monday 22 August 2011 21.36 BST

Senior Metropolitan police officers devised a policy of holding all people arrested on riot-related offences in custody and recommending that the courts also refuse bail after they were charged, according to a leaked "prisoner processing strategy" that lawyers argue could pave the way for a mass legal challenge.

The document, seen by the Guardian, was circulated to all investigating officers at the height of the violence two weeks ago by Operation Withern, the codename for Scotland Yard's emergency response to the outbreak of violence in the capital. It suggested that no one arrested in or after the riots should be let off with a caution – regardless of the offence – and that everyone arrested should be held in custody, with a recommendation that bail should also be denied when the case first goes to court.

Lawyers began proceedings on Monday for the first judicial review of the custody procedures, which resulted in 62% of those arrested for involvement in the riots remanded in custody compared with a normal rate of around 10% for more serious offences. They claimed the document amounted to a blanket policy of mass imprisonment of people.

The police document argues that the policy was necessary to prevent further public disorder as violence spread through the capital. But it also acknowledges that the force was so stretched at the height of the riots that it was "impractical" to bail people while they conducted "protracted" investigations, suggesting that investigating officers use special rules to fast-track cases to the courts with less evidence than is normally required. The recommendation could expose the Metropolitan police to accusations that it adopted a policy of "conveyer belt" justice in order to deal with its unprecedented workload.

The document, titled Operation Withern: prisoner processing strategy, includes a suggested statement for investigating officers to use in the prosecuting reports of individual cases, which are then passed to the Crown Prosecution Service. It says: "A strategic decision has been made by the MPS [Metropolitan Police Service] that in all cases an application will be made for remand in custody both at the police station, and later at court. This decision has been made in the interest of public safety and the prevention of further cases of disorder. The spontaneous nature of these offences and the significant burden it has placed on police resources has meant that not all inquiries have yet been completed. Some inquiries, such as gathering of CCTV, are not capable of being progressed at present due to the ongoing public disorder in and around London.

"As a result this case requires the application of a 'threshold test' for a charging decision based on the evidence present and the expectation that further evidence may be forthcoming."

Elsewhere the document says: "The volume of prisoners being processed makes it impractical to bail for the purpose of protracted investigation. Where evidence of an offence exists charging authority should be sought, that is likely to mean that the threshold test is applied."

The threshold test allows prosecutors to lower the burden of proof needed to remand someone in custody where there is reasonable suspicion and prospect of a conviction, and where there is a substantial risk if they are released.

The document sheds significant light on the Met's processes and could explain why people accused of apparently minor offences such as theft of small items or receipt of stolen goods were not cautioned. They included a 23-year old student with no previous convictions who was refused bail and then sentenced to six months in prison for stealing a £3.50 bottle of water. The debate about sentencing of people accused of taking part in the riots has so far focused on the courts' right to use "exemplary" sentencing – harsher sentences to deter people from rioting. But the document suggests that in deciding whether or not to grant bail the courts would have also been considering recommendations from the police to detain people in the vast majority of cases.

The document came into the hands of the solicitors Hodge, Jones & Allen, who have written to the Metropolitan police informing them they are starting judicial review proceedings of the decision not to bail an unnamed client, who was arrested for possession of £2,500 of items looted in the riots in south London.

The 25-year old care worker and mother of a two-year-old girl had no previous convictions and there was no evidence that she was involved in the looting.

Edward Kirton, the solicitor acting in the case, said: "The right to bail is a long-standing and essential part of our criminal justice system. It should be carefully considered and each case should be looked at on its own merits.

"In relation to the riots, it seems that the Metropolitan police took a strategic decision to apply a blanket ban and deny everyone bail, no matter what their circumstances. I consider this policy is unlawful as a result."

The lawyers' letter to the Met describes the policy as amounting to "unlawful arbitrary detention" of people. The existence of the policy has a "chilling" effect on Article 5 under the European court of human rights which guarantees an individual's liberty and security, it says. Adopting a pre-action protocol for judicial review, the letter demands an apology for the violation of the woman's fundamental rights. The Met said: "Guidance was issued to officers to ensure a consistent approach to an investigation which was, and remains, unprecedented in its volume and complexity.

"To ensure the interests of justice were served, prevent further disorder and protect the public it was made clear that a decision should be sought to charge where there was sufficient evidence. With courts sitting extended hours, the recommendation that those charged were remanded in custody was made to ensure cases were dealt with quickly and again to protect the public from potential further disorder.

"Cases were, and continue to be, looked at on the basis of the evidence available. Where the threshold to charge was not met people have been bailed to return pending further inquiries, released with no further action or - in a small number of cases - dealt with by other police disposals."

The Metropolitan Police's prisoner processing strategy document can be read here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/interactive/2011/aug/22/operation-withern-prisoner-processing-strategy).

Jan Klimkowski
09-07-2011, 05:44 PM
Some highly concerning claims made here, such as the gun allegedly found in Mark Duggan's sock not having his fingerprints on it, and the allegation that the taxi in which he was travelling was moved from the crime scene and then returned later:

Mark Duggan family accuse police of operating a 'shoot to kill' policy

Relatives of Tottenham man whose death during arrest sparked riots say questions remain over circumstances of fatal shooting

Diane Taylor guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/sep/07/mark-duggan-family-police), Wednesday 7 September 2011 16.55 BST

The family of Mark Duggan, the Tottenham man whose fatal shooting by police last month sparked five days of widespread riot and disorder, believe officers were operating a "shoot to kill" policy.

Duggan's brother, Shaun Hall, 42, said ahead of Duggan's funeral on Friday: "The police were clearly operating a shoot to kill policy that day. They are supposed to disable not kill suspects. If they hadn't shot and killed Mark there would have been no riots."

The family, in exclusive interviews with the Guardian, said they had been told that the bullet fired at Duggan's chest after officers intercepted the taxi he was travelling in, would have killed him in seven to 12 seconds, giving him no prospect of surviving.

They are devastated by his loss and distraught at the misinformation initially put out that the incident in Ferry Lane in Tottenham, north London, was a "shootout". The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), which is investigating the killing on 4 August, confirmed the two shots that were fired were from a CO19 firearms officer.

The family say they have been told there was no forensic evidence of Duggan's fingerprints on the non-police issue gun recovered at the scene of the shooting, and that they have many unanswered questions. The Guardian has established from sources outside the family that the gun was found inside a sock.

The family are also puzzled by reports that the taxi Duggan was travelling in when he was shot was initially moved from the crime scene and then returned.

"It's as though the police have messed with the whole case," claimed Hall. "Why did the police shoot to kill, why was the taxi moved from the crime scene, why were Mark's fingerprints not on the gun? We don't know whether or not that gun was planted."

Scotland Yard has repeatedly refused to comment on any aspect of the operation to arrest Duggan, saying the inquiry is the subject of an IPCC inquiry.

The family are distraught that they read about Duggan's death in the media before they received formal notification from the police about it.

The Met's new north area commander, Mak Chishty, went to Duggan's parents' Tottenham home on Friday evening last week to apologise for the police's failure to inform them more promptly about Duggan's death.

This was the family's first formal communication with a senior police officer.

"I rushed down to Ferry Lane after the shooting," said Duggan's girlfriend Semone Wilson, 29. The couple had been together since they were 15. She had heard rumours that he had been shot. "I was asked to come through the police tape and to give a description of Mark. They told me that the man who had been shot had tattoos and I was asked to describe Mark's tattoos."

However, the police did not confirm Duggan's identity to Wilson at the scene.

A Met police spokesman said Met family liaison officers met two members of the family on the night of the incident and that they agreed with them that the family members should inform the parents of Duggan's death. The spokesman said Commander Chisty had visited the family after hearing of their concerns and had "apologised for how this was managed".

It was on Saturday 6 August that his family went to formally identify Duggan's body at a Tottenham mortuary in the presence of the IPCC and were able to confirm that the man shot dead was indeed Duggan.

Later that day, his family and friends organised a peaceful march to Tottenham police station from the Broadwater Farm estate to protest about the shooting and their belief that police had failed to provide information.

"I went into the police station with my mum and told the officers on the front desk that I had come to report a murder," said Wilson. "They asked me whose murder I was reporting. When I told them it was Mark Duggan's murder they said to me, 'Don't worry, it's being sorted out,' and they told us to go and wait outside so that they could deal with other people who were reporting crimes."

They waited for four hours, being told repeatedly by police that someone would come out to speak them. No one did, so the family went home.

"Things were peaceful when we left," said Wilson. "When I saw the pictures of the rioting and looting on TV later in the evening I didn't realise at first that it followed on from our protest."

The family have repeatedly distanced themselves from the violent disorder of that night – and in the following days – after the peaceful protest at the police station. The family said they support the Guardian and London School of Economics research study into the causes and consequences of the riots, announced on Monday.

Mark's mother, Pam Duggan, 53, said her son would have been opposed to the disorder that spread to cities across England. "Mark wouldn't have condoned it and we don't condone it," she said.

"You killed my son in cold blood," she said of the police's actions. "I just want the police to admit that they killed my son. Why didn't the police shoot him in the foot instead of in the chest? I'm on Valium because of what happened. All of this has made me feel as if I want to go and lie down with my son. One of my other sons, Marlon, was stopped in a car a few days after Mark was killed and questioned by police. He went out in a taxi at the weekend and I was terrified that he was going to be shot dead too."

The family is also deeply upset by the media reports that Duggan was a gangster. They have admitted that Duggan was known to the police and had spent time on remand but emphasise that he had no criminal convictions. "If Mark had been a gangster he would have lots of money, which he didn't have," said Pam Duggan. "He would have been out all the time with lots of others but he wasn't. He was a loving boy with a good heart. He loved his children, he loved everybody. People from the whole community will be attending Mark's funeral and people will see who knew and loved Mark. Mark was the kind of person who would say if he saw someone fighting, 'Don't bother with that.'

"I lived on the Broadwater Farm estate for 26 years and I think that the police have got worse since the riots there in 1985. They're really picking on people. Mark had been harassed by the police for years."

Wilson said her three children with Duggan had have been left devastated by the loss of their father.

"They were on holiday for a week with other family members when Mark was killed so we managed to keep the news from them for a week. But when I finally did break the news to them, the youngest one immediately vomited. The other day I was in the street with my 10-year-old son and saw a white man being stopped and searched by police.

"My son asked me, 'Are they going to shoot him now?' I just tried to change the subject because I didn't want him to start asking lots of questions about Mark's death."

Hall said the family were determined to get justice.

"Justice for me is someone being punished for what they've done. The person who killed Mark needs to take the blame for it. Someone needs to be made accountable for what happened. We've heard everyone talking about gangs but the police are the biggest gang of all, an institutionalised gang. And like any other shooter in any other gang the person who killed Mark should be punished. Someone needs to be made accountable for this and we're not going to stop until we get justice."

The family are appealing for anyone who witnessed the shooting to contact Birnberg Pierce solicitors in confidence on 020 7911 0166.

Jan Klimkowski
03-27-2012, 10:26 PM
The birth of a riot.

Swallowed in institutional secrecy.

The people cannot be told what happened.

Hell, a coroner cannot even be told....

:gossip: :mexican:

The shooting of Mark Duggan must be investigated openly

The IPCC says sensitive evidence of police decision-making may prevent an open hearing. What are the police trying to hide?

Stafford Scott

guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/27/shooting-mark-duggan-ipcc-open-hearing), Tuesday 27 March 2012 15.04 BST

The news that the inquest into the shooting of Mark Duggan has been further delayed, from September 2012 to January 2013, comes as no great surprise to those of us who have been through these types of investigations. Delays became par for the course in the inquests into the deaths of Cynthia Jarrett and Joy Gardner. It took four years for Roger Sylvester, another Tottenham resident whose life ended in police custody, to be declared "unlawfully killed", a verdict that was quashed a year later. And the inquest into the 2005 shooting of Azelle Rodney by Metropolitan police officers is still to be heard.

What was surprising in this case, shocking even, was the revelation from the Independent Police Complaints Commission that, in investigating the shooting, it has unearthed such sensitive material over police decision-making that it is unable to reveal it, even to the inquest coroner. So there is now a real possibility that an open inquest may not be held at all. Instead there may have to be an inquiry, before a judge, that would allow for closed sessions in which these "sensitive details" are kept secret.

As a former member of the IPCC's community reference group, which had limited oversight of the investigation – and before that an independent adviser to the police gun crime unit Operation Trident – I have a working knowledge of police operational procedures and cannot think of any reason why their decision-making processes should not be held up to public scrutiny. Of course there are the few exceptions where national security may genuinely be at stake, but Duggan's death, regardless of the aftermath, isn't on a par with them. I know of no case other than that of David Kelly, the United Nations weapons inspector who committed suicide in 2003, in which "sensitive information" has been used to prevent an inquest in which all evidence can be interrogated in full public glare. What can be so sensitive in Duggan's case?

Given the rioting that started in Tottenham and quickly spread across the country following his death, the police and the IPCC should be doing their utmost to ensure that all relevant information on this planned operation would be held up for public scrutiny. However, if the IPCC has its way we will be left with many unanswered questions – questions to which Duggan's children, his parents and loved ones deserve answers.

The victims of the rioting deserve answers too. Otherwise, how can we ensure that this will never happen again?

The police and IPCC have already been forced to acknowledge that they failed Tottenham. On 6 August last year I led a demonstration to the police station as we wanted to know why Duggan's parents had not been informed of the circumstances of his death. Last month the Metropolitan police and the IPCC, quite rightly, publicly apologised to his parents. Had they treated the parents with the dignity and respect from the start we would never have gone to the police station. Had the IPCC not misled the media about an apparent shootout, we wouldn't have gone there angry.

As a result the IPCC's credibility in Tottenham is absolutely blown, which is in itself almost a criminal act because we needed to believe in this organisation. We needed to believe that a robust and transparent investigation into this tragedy would take place and that the lessons would be learned. But it's difficult, if not impossible, to have faith when the facts are kept secret, behind closed doors.

One of the things that the IPCC pledged to learn from last August was the dangers of what can happen when there is an information vacuum. The answer is that it's quickly filled. In August 2011 the word on the streets was that "they executed Mark". Seven months later the word is that the police had control of the gun or worse. If true, then the police are more than culpable in Duggan's killing: in the parlance of the modern judicial system they are guilty of joint enterprise. Is that what they are trying to hide from the world? We need an open inquest so we can learn the truth.

Magda Hassan
03-27-2012, 10:51 PM
The birth of a riot.

Swallowed in institutional secrecy.

The people cannot be told what happened.

Hell, a coroner cannot even be told....

:gossip: :mexican:

The shooting of Mark Duggan must be investigated openly

The IPCC says sensitive evidence of police decision-making may prevent an open hearing. What are the police trying to hide?

Stafford Scott

guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/27/shooting-mark-duggan-ipcc-open-hearing), Tuesday 27 March 2012 15.04 BST

The news that the inquest into the shooting of Mark Duggan has been further delayed, from September 2012 to January 2013, comes as no great surprise to those of us who have been through these types of investigations. Delays became par for the course in the inquests into the deaths of Cynthia Jarrett and Joy Gardner. It took four years for Roger Sylvester, another Tottenham resident whose life ended in police custody, to be declared "unlawfully killed", a verdict that was quashed a year later. And the inquest into the 2005 shooting of Azelle Rodney by Metropolitan police officers is still to be heard.

What was surprising in this case, shocking even, was the revelation from the Independent Police Complaints Commission that, in investigating the shooting, it has unearthed such sensitive material over police decision-making that it is unable to reveal it, even to the inquest coroner. So there is now a real possibility that an open inquest may not be held at all. Instead there may have to be an inquiry, before a judge, that would allow for closed sessions in which these "sensitive details" are kept secret.


Just like Dr Kelly. A legally required and binding coroner's inquest is avaoided like the plague. It seems to be all the fashion these days to have 'inquiries' which are not legally enforcable and makes no-one acountable. It amounts to no more than a little chat betweeen mates but gives the appearance that they even give a shit while in fact they are covering it all up. This has got to change. Justice demands it. No fear or favor.

Magda Hassan
03-28-2012, 03:29 AM
May well have some thing to do with the cover up....

IDF taught British Army vital lessons

By Robyn Rosen (http://www.thejc.com/users/robyn-rosen), September 28, 2010
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The former commander of British Forces in Afghanistan has praised the Israeli army and said the British Army has learnt important lessons from it.

Retired Colonel Richard Kemp said some policies by the British Army have been formed "as a direct result" of consultation with its Israeli counterpart.
Speaking at an event held by the Zionist Federation, Colonel Kemp made his comments as royal sculptor Frances Segelman completed a bust of him at a fundraising event for BLESMA (British Limbless Ex-Servicemen Association) and the Shalom Foundation, a children's charity.
Col Kemp said: "The IDF does as much as the British Army, if not more, to safeguard local civilians.
"It only uses force when it has to.
"All the arguments thrown around in the international press that Israel does not take care in this are not
"I have seen it through my own eyes and through my dealings with the top level of the Israeli army.
"Some of the policies of the British Army have been formed as a result of information given by the Israeli army such as their policy on terrorist bombs. The British Army didn't have that much experience and expertise in that area. The Israeli army has been incredibly helpful and open." http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/38832/idf-taught-british-army-vital-lessons

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Operation KratosFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Operation Kratos referred to tactics developed by London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London)'s Metropolitan Police Service (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Police_Service) for dealing with suspected suicide bombers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bomber), most notably firing shots to the head without warning. The tactics were developed shortly after the 11 September 2001 attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11_September_2001_attacks), based in part on consultation with Israeli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) and Sri Lankan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lanka) law enforcement agencies on how to deal with suicide bombers. Little was revealed about these tactics until after the mistaken shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Charles_de_Menezes) on 22 July 2005, in the wake of the 7 July 2005 London bombings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings). The term is no longer used by the Metropolitan Police, although similar tactics remain in force.

DevelopmentAfter the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11_September_2001_attacks), many police agencies worldwide began to seriously consider the possibility of suicide attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack) in their own home countries and cities.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-FTUK-0) A Metropolitan Police team led by Barbara Wilding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Wilding), Deputy Assistant Commissioner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_Assistant_Commissioner)Specialist Operations, visited Israel, Sri Lanka and Russia, to learn from their experience of suicide attacks. They also consulted with UK government scientists.
Key findings were:

The explosives used by suicide bombers were very sensitive, and were likely to be detonated by the conventional tactic of firing at the chest, as well as by less-lethal weapons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Less-lethal_weapon).
Suicide bombers were likely to detonate their devices on realising that they had been identified. Police must act covertly, and tactics must ensure immediate incapacitation to give the bomber no opportunity to detonate the bomb.

New tactics were developed in the first half of 2002 by Wilding and Sir David Veness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Veness), Assistant Commissioner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assistant_Commissioner_of_Police_of_the_Metropolis ) Specialist Operations. These were designated Operation Kratos, named after the Greek demi-god Kratos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cratos) (Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek): κράτος "strength or power"). Work on the policy was taken over by the Terrorism and Allied Matters Committee of the Association of Chief Police Officers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Chief_Police_Officers) (ACPO) in January 2003. A paper entitled Operation Kratos People was circulated among UK police forces, and Operation Kratos became national policy.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-MPA_report-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-Stockwell_One-3)
There are three separate plans under the generic title of Operation Kratos:

Operation Andromeda is designed to deal with the spontaneous sighting by a member of the public of a suspected suicide bomber.
Operation Beach is where there is an intelligence-led covert operation to locate and arrest persons suspected of involvement in acts of terrorism.
Operation Clydesdale is where intelligence has been received about a suicide attack on a pre-planned event.

—Report to Metropolitan Police Authority on Suicide Terrorism[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-MPA_report-1)
These plans deal with identifying and confronting suicide attackers. Ideally the confrontation would be arranged in a secluded location to avoid risk to police officers and members of the public. In extreme situations, the policy recommends that covert police officers fire on suspected suicide attackers without warning, aiming multiple shots at the brain stem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_stem) to minimise the risk of detonation of a bomb.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-MPA_report-1)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-Telegraph_0724-4) The Metropolitan Police and other forces also issue Kratos officers with hollow point ammunition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_point_ammunition), but this has not been incorporated into national guidance.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-5)
The decision whether to take such drastic action would be made by a Designated Senior Officer (DSO), an officer of Commander (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander#British_police_rank) or Deputy Assistant Commissioner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_Assistant_Commissioner) rank designated for that incident.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-MPA_report-1) The Met had previously used an on-site Designated Senior Officer in policing theNotting Hill Carnival (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notting_Hill_Carnival), to decide whether to employ baton rounds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_gun) should a riot develop, but the situation never arose.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-6) To deal with the more severe challenge of suicide bombers, Kratos DSOs would be centrally located, and would be available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-MPA_report-1)
London bombings and the de Menezes shootingAfter the London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London) Tube (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground) and Bus bombings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings) of 7 July 2005, an internal email was sent to specialised police units reminding them of the secret tactics for dealing with suicide bombers.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-FTUK-0) Operation Kratos was first described publicly in an article in The Scotsman on 15 July 2005.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-Scotsman071505-7)Between 21 July and 5 August, Designated Senior Officers were alerted on 11 occasions, with Armed Response Units (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Response_Unit) deployed to 6 of these incidents.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-MPA_report-1) On one of these occasions, they opened fire.
In the evening after the attempted 21 July 2005 bombings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_July_2005_London_bombings), Specialist Firearms Officers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specialist_Firearms_Officer) supporting the search for the bombers were issued with hollow point ammunition. When police linked Hussain Osman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussain_Osman) and another suspect to a block of flats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartment_building) in Brixton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brixton), the block was placed under surveillance. Commander Cressida Dick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cressida_Dick), who would also act as Gold Commander (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Commander) of the operation, was appointed as Kratos DSO. The firearms team were informed that they faced suicide bombers, that a DSO was in place, and that they might be required to use "unusual tactics".[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-Stockwell_One-3)
On the morning of 22 July, surveillance officers believed that a man leaving the flats might have been Osman. In fact the man was Jean Charles de Menezes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Charles_de_Menezes), who had no connection to the bombers other than his home address. As the firearms team was not at the site (for unknown reasons), one of the watchers followed him onto a bus. His innocent actions were misinterpreted as counter-surveillance measures, and a firearms team was called to intercept him. By the time they had arrived, de Menezes had entered Stockwell tube station (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockwell_tube_station) and boarded a Tube train. Although no Kratos codeword had been given, the firearms officers believed him to be a suicide bomber. A surveillance officer seized de Menezes in a bear hug, and two plainclothes armed officers fired a total of nine shots, six of which struck his head from distances of 1 to 8 cm. Menezes died instantly.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-Stockwell_One-3)
Reaction to the shootingThe manner of the killing was such a departure from previous police practice that observers speculated that it had been carried out by militaryspecial forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_forces). Most commentators agreed that the authorities must have been certain of an imminent threat to order such drastic action.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-8)After the police admitted that they had shot an innocent man, the Operation Kratos policies came to national and international attention, with some commentators decrying the policies as unnecessarily violent and ineffective, and others supporting the difficult decisions made by the police in fighting terrorism.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-Telegraph_0724-4)[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-9)[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-10)
An Independent Police Complaints Commission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Police_Complaints_Commission) (IPCC) report identified a series of errors on the part of police, and recommended a number of changes.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-Stockwell_One-3)[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-BBC_News-11) No individual officers were charged, but the Metropolitan Police were later found guilty of breaching the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_and_Safety_at_Work_etc._Act_1974) and fined.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-12) The inquest into the death of de Menezes made further criticisms of the police, and returned an open verdict (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_verdict).[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-13)
ACPO reviewed Operation Kratos in March 2006 and declared it still "fit for purpose".[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-14) The Met made changes to the command structure of Operation Kratos after the shooting. In future, authorisation of a critical shot would be communicated by a clear English phrase rather than codewords. Authorisation would still come from specially trained officers of Commander rank or higher, but these would now be called Extreme Threat Tactical Commanders rather than DSOs. Despite the high rank of this officer, they would not command the whole operation, but would monitor the operation and take over tactical command when a threat of suicide bombing became apparent. The number of such officers in the Met would be reduced to 12, and they would receive more intensive training. The term Operation Kratos was dropped at the beginning of 2008.[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-15)[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-16)[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_note-17)
The lawFor a general discussion on the policy and theory underlying the defence of self-defence and the defence of others, see the Theory of Self-Defence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense_%28theory%29). For a more detailed discussion of the right to use deadly force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadly_force) in the prevention of crime, whether as a private citizen, police officer or member of the armed forces, see self-defence in English law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defence_in_English_law) and use of force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force).

^ a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_ref-FTUK_0-0) b (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_ref-FTUK_0-1) Burns, Jimmy (25 July 2005). "Met adopted secret shoot-to-kill policy in the face of a new and deadly threat" (http://news.ft.com/cms/s/08207b18-fca8-11d9-8386-00000e2511c8.html). Financial Times.
^ a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_ref-MPA_report_1-0) b (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_ref-MPA_report_1-1) c (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_ref-MPA_report_1-2) d (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_ref-MPA_report_1-3) e (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_ref-MPA_report_1-4) f (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_ref-MPA_report_1-5) Swain, Steve (27 October 2005). Suicide Terrorism (http://www.mpa.gov.uk/committees/mpa/2005/051027/13/) (Report). Metropolitan Police Authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Police_Authority).
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^ a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_ref-Stockwell_One_3-0) b (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_ref-Stockwell_One_3-1) c (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_ref-Stockwell_One_3-2) d (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_ref-Stockwell_One_3-3) Stockwell One: Investigation into the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes at Stockwell underground station on 22 July 2005 (http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/stockwell_one.pdf)(Report). Independent Police Complaints Commission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Police_Complaints_Commission). 8 November 2007.
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^ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos#cite_ref-15) Williams, Rachel (Friday 12 December 2008). "De Menezes: How the Met tried to win the PR war" (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/dec/12/menezes-police). The Guardian.
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External links

Stockwell reports (http://www.mpa.gov.uk/scrutinies/stockwell/), Metropolitan Police Authority.
Coroner's Inquest into the death of Jean Charles de Menezes (http://web.archive.org/web/20090624051658/http://www.stockwellinquest.org.uk/) (copy at Internet Archive)


Jan Klimkowski
03-28-2012, 05:02 PM
Magda - provocative find.

I note though that:

An inquest has found that Mark Duggan, the man whose death sparked the London riots, died of a single gunshot wound to the chest.

Source. (http://www.channel4.com/news/duggan-killed-by-single-gunshot-wound-to-the-chest)

I also note that the official story is that Kratos tactics, which authorize head shots, are meant to apply only to "suicide bombers" and "terrorists".

There has been no suggestion that Scotland Yard believed Duggan to be a terrorist or suicide bomber.

However, that is the official story, and I would not be surprised if a variant of Kratos for use against suspected "gangstas" or "armed hostiles" is precisely what the IPCC is suggesting may be kept secret from the public and the coroner.

Jan Klimkowski
03-28-2012, 10:08 PM
The Head of the Independent Police Complaints Commission responds directly to Stafford Scott's piece in post #54 above:

The IPCC is in complete agreement with the sentiments expressed in Stafford Scott's piece on the Mark Duggan case (This inquest can't be secret, 28 March). The IPCC is not seeking to withhold information but has alerted the coroner that there may be relevant material we will be legally prevented from disclosing to him or the interested parties. We have drawn this to the coroner's attention now because we considered it fair and right to warn him and the family early of these potential difficulties. We won't know if we can share all the relevant information with the coroner and Mr Duggan's family until we've completed our investigation. The coroner has set a further pre-inquest hearing for 23 October for these issues to be discussed. It is because the IPCC believes information should be disclosed to the deceased's family and the public that, in March 2009, we made a submission to the Joint Committee on Human Rights on the proposals in the coroners and justice bill on non-jury inquests.
Rachel Cerfontyne
IPCC commissioner (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/28/mark-duggan-inquest-ipcc)

We shall see....

Jan Klimkowski
03-29-2012, 05:43 PM
The official version is now that the evidence that cannot be disclosed is telephone intercepts:

Mark Duggan death: IPCC says hands are tied over release of evidence

Police watchdog investigating death of Duggan, whose shooting sparked last year's riots, says law prevents it revealing evidence

Shiv Malik and Sandra Laville

guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/mar/29/mark-duggan-death-ipcc-hands-tied-evidence), Thursday 29 March 2012 10.16 BST

The police watchdog investigating the death of Mark Duggan has called for the law to be changed after admitting that its "hands are tied" by legislation that means that a public coroner's inquest into the killing may never be held.

The deputy chair of the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), Deborah Glass, put out a statement on Thursday morning saying the organisation was "extremely frustrated" by the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, which she says has stopped her organisation from revealing information unearthed during its investigation into Duggan's death.

The information is believed to centre around intercept evidence but the IPCC said that even giving details of what the issue might be would itself be a breach of the law.

The statement follows the revelation earlier this week that the coroner's inquest into the death has been delayed and may never be held, and that the IPCC's own investigation into the killing had also been delayed and its findings may not be available until the autumn.

Duggan was killed in August 2011 after being shot by a Metropolitan police officer in Tottenham, north London. The subsequent protest over his death sparked riots in the capital, which rapidly spread to the rest of England.

After Duggan's death, the IPCC said he had shot at police marksmen before they returned fire but it soon retracted its statement, saying it was untrue.

The IPCC's statement came as the aunt of Mark Duggan, Carole Duggan, said on Radio 4's Today programme that the family knew little more than the public as to what had led to his killing since the IPCC opened its investigation last year.

"We're still as in the dark now as we were in the beginning," she said, adding the family deserved an inquest so they could learn the truth about what happened on the evening of Duggan's death.

"We as a family believe that Mark was executed on the streets of London by the Metropolitan police … all the information is being withheld from us."

"I know that the IPCC have got a job to do but we see the IPCC as an obstacle in the way of getting information from the Metropolitan police," she said.

In her IPCC statement, Glass said: "The IPCC believes that it is essential for families to play a full part in any process which establishes how and in what circumstances their family member died.

"Our principal statutory duty is to secure and maintain confidence in the police complaints system and one way in which this can be achieved is by ensuring that there is proper public scrutiny when someone dies at the hands of the state.

"We are therefore extremely frustrated when anyone or anything attempts to get in the way of our ability to provide family members with information about an investigation into a death at the hands of the police or to ensure a full public examination of the facts surrounding the death."

The statement says that the impact of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 is "that not only can some information not be disclosed, we cannot even explain why we cannot disclose the information, as this itself would be a breach of the law.

"In our view this places investigatory bodies in the invidious position of being unable to provide families, and the public, with meaningful information on the investigation or even explain why that information cannot be provided. We believe this law needs to be changed."

By law certain types of surveillance including phone intercepts cannot be produced in a public court.

In a letter published in the Guardian on Thursday, Rachel Cerfontyne, an IPCC commissioner, said the watchdog did not want a secret court hearing and had alerted Duggan's coroner to the problems surrounding the secret information they had uncovered.

"The IPCC is not seeking to withhold information, but has alerted the coroner that there may be relevant material that we will be legally prevented from disclosing to him or the interested parties.

"We have drawn this to the coroner's attention at this stage because we considered it to be fair and right to give him and the family early warning of these potential difficulties."

The coroner decided the issues would not be discussed until October following a criminal trial relating to the case.

Cerfontyne said the IPCC wanted a public hearing and had raised the same problem to a House of Commons committee three years ago.

In its submission to the joint committee for human rights, the IPCC raised the issue of whether the information on certain types of surveillance, which by law cannot be heard in public, could be shared with the family by the inquest.

It said families would not otherwise be given the full picture of the events leading to the death of a loved one.

"It is because the IPCC believes that information should be disclosed to the deceased's family and the public that, in March 2009, we made a submission to the joint committee for human rights on the proposals in the coroners and justice bill on non-jury inquests," she wrote.

Jan Klimkowski
01-17-2013, 09:37 PM

17 January 2013 Last updated at 20:26 BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21060194)

Police account of Mark Duggan's injuries 'differs' from pathologist

Mark Duggan was shot dead by police in Tottenham, north London, on 4 August 2011

Mark Duggan's injuries did not appear to be consistent with a police account of the fatal shooting, a Home Office pathologist has told a court.

Dr Simon Poole was testifying in the retrial of Kevin Hutchinson-Foster, who denies supplying an illegal gun to Mr Duggan the day he was shot.

A post-mortem examination showed Mr Duggan had bullet wounds to the chest and upper right arm.

He was shot dead by police on 4 August 2011 in Tottenham, north London.

His death sparked riots which swept across the capital and the country.
'Can't be right'

The Old Bailey heard the fatal shot was to the chest, entering the front right hand side and exiting the back of Mr Duggan on the left hand side.

The other bullet entered the right upper arm and tracked down a few centimetres under the skin, before exiting the arm and grazing the skin of the chest.

The doctor said he was unable to say the order in which the bullets were fired.

Stuart Denney QC, barrister for Mr Hutchinson-Foster, asked the pathologist to imagine a scene in which Mr Duggan had got out of a minicab and was heading towards a wall beside the road while a police officer had got out of a car behind the taxi and was standing on the pavement.

Kevin Hutchinson-Foster denies providing Mr Duggan with a gun

The jury has already heard evidence from a police officer known as V53 who described a similar situation leading up to the shooting.

Mr Denney suggested that if the police officer then fired the shot that struck Mr Duggan in the chest, the track of the bullet would have to pass from the left to the right.

He asked the pathologist: "But in fact the chest wound is right to left?"

"Yes, that's right," answered Dr Poole.

Mr Denney said: "So the scenario can't be right? The officer fires to his left and the bullet hits Mr Duggan in the chest and it should go from left to right - but it went right to left. Therefore the scenario can't be right?"

"I agree," Dr Poole replied.

Under re-examination Dr Poole agreed with the prosecution that if Mr Duggan turned to face the person who fired the shot, that would change the position of his body in relation to the person who fired the shot.

The trial continues.