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David Teacher
10-12-2011, 03:52 PM
As readers may know, I dusted off Rogue Agents, my 1993 book on Brian Crozier and the Pinay Circle, for Joel van der Reijden of the much-missed ISGP site, which published the second edition in December 2008.

I have now completed the third and final edition which adds much information on Franco's Spain, Interdoc, and Crozier's allies in the Rumsfeld Pentagon and in the UK Cameron government (and their current activities), and brings all the biographies up to date - 2011 has so far seen the deaths of key players Otto von Habsburg, Hans Graf Huyn and Brigadier-General Robert C. Richardson.

The third edition of Rogue Agents also includes all of the internal documents used in the course of this twenty-year investigation; in this way, readers may recognize some of the names that as yet mean nothing to me. Pictures of the main actors in the Cercle and weblinks to video footage of them round off the book.

Sadly ISGP cannot host the new edition, and therefore I post it here, hoping that Joel and others may find it. Two versions of Rogue Agents are available: the full version with pictures and documents (481 pages, 40 MB pdf file) or the 'text-only version' which includes the full book, footnotes, sources annex and NSIC and IFF annexes, but omits the pictures and the documents (290 pages, 1.3 MB pdf file, best for printing or emailing).

The full version is here:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=B947FNEX
or
http://mediafire.com/?2qvkx4nvdj9zyk6

The 'text-only'version is here:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=C8OXFB97
or
http://mediafire.com/?46yvpnyg5y0stdp

If you find this, Joel, happy reading and thanks again for hosting earlier versions of this research.

Feel free to submit the book to other sites or blogs!

David Teacher

Magda Hassan
10-12-2011, 09:18 PM
Wonderful David! I look forward to reading this later today. Or at least a good start on it. :thumbsup:

Jan Klimkowski
10-13-2011, 03:51 PM
David - thank you for making us aware of your important ongoing work.

Peter Lemkin
10-13-2011, 07:29 PM
Many Thanks! Will start on it right away!....

Joel van der Reijden.
10-20-2011, 01:21 AM
Hi David. I saw your post earlier today. Very nice.

But didn't you get my material? Sent you photocopies of a bunch of Cercle meetings a couple of months back. Wouldn't want you to make all the name available now, but it would have been a great addition to your third edition if you could mention that Alfredo Sanchez-Bella, Jacques Jonet and General Robert Close were regulars. And also that Baron de Bonvoisin (the key person in the X Dossiers!) and Paul Vankerkhoven have visited.

In your book you take a look at the whole Paneuropean Movement, which is an incredibly important thing to do (and unique), but at the same time it's not a secret that it was impossible to discuss the Cercle directly because there were no membership lists. In any case, guess your assumptions that these men were part of the Pinay Cercle network are 100 per cent validated now. Must feel nice. A quick 4th edition? Haha. ;)

Went over your book in great detail a couple of months back while doing all the bios on the new Cercle members. That's when I really began to appreciate its uniqueness. And the photocopies you added in this edition are an indispensible update.

Going through the photos I laughed, thinking you had picked the wrong picture for Robert Moss... But I was WRONG! The Cercle's Robert Moss is the exact same person as Robert Moss the lucid/active dreaming expert! I was always interested in his work, having bought Dreamgates and his related audio program on that 10 years ago. He's also on Coast to Coast AM all the time. Checked for this years ago, but seeing the dream guy grew up in Australia I assumed it was a different Robert Moss... absolute bizarre it's the same guy. Overthrowing countries with Brian Crozier and Ted Shackley in the 1970s. Undermining labor unions in the 1980s. And today he's a well-known dream doctor who never talks politics.

And what I really love about this book and what Teacher already mentioned once is that what I began to call the (extreme right) Vatican-Paeuropa Network, Teacher independently termed the Paneuropean Right (with Vatican connections). To me that kind of confirmed that I wasn't crazy seeing how all these different European institutes overlapped and were stacked with Opus Dei and Knights of Malta-affiliated people.

Magda Hassan
10-20-2011, 02:20 AM
Welcome Joel! I'm still reading David's book but when I saw your mention of Robert Moss I went to have a quick look and I see that spooky Belgian Arnaud de Borchgrave was his co author of the novels 'The Spike' and 'Monimbo'. And what an interesting career segue into the rather lucrative new age shaman circuit...

Joel van der Reijden.
10-20-2011, 12:51 PM
Edit: I feel bad hijacking David Teacher's topic. To make up... Here's a list of people mentioned in Teacher's book that have visited Le Cercle. Teacher should already have the photocopies if he still uses the same email. David, I don't mind if you use these names to update your book, if you want... Verifies to everyone that you were on the right track and makes it all "case closed". I still have more than enough names to go deeper into Le Cercle in the future.

Those with * were annual visitors. Others visited only sporadically or in times that I don't have lists of. (And Ruiying, sorry, I still intent to pay for the lists... Yes, I suck. :nono:)

CERCLE MEMBERS
Belgium

Bonvoisin, Baron Benoit de

Decades long right-hand man of prime minister and defense
minister Paul vanden Boeynants. Premier financier in Belgium of
undergound fascist movements. Extremely notorious. Co-founder
CEPIC. Co-founder private intelligence group PIO. Member AESP,
MAUE, Cercle des Nations. Close to the P-7. Key person X-Dossiers for blackmail and knew all the various pedophile pimps.

Close, General Robert*

NATO Commander. PRL senator 1981-1987. Vice president MAUE.
President WACL international. President Western Goals Belgium.
Co-founder EIS. Co-founder IEPS.

Jonet, Jacques G.*

Habsburg lawyer. Cercle des Nations. Charlemagne dinners. MAUE. Friends of
Wilton Park. AESP. IEPS. Official representative Order of Malta in
Belgium while his wife was on the administrative council. Mentioned in relation to covering up Pink Ballets.

Kerchove, Nicolas de

Chef de cabinet vanden Boeynants, defense and NATO relations.
PIO liaison. Cercle des Nations. Revue Belge. EIS. IEPS.

Vankerkhoven, Paul

Secretary-general CEDI. CEPIC. Founder and president Cercle des
Nations. Founder WACL Belgium. IEPS. Revue Belge.

Germany

Marx, Werner

CDU MP 1965-85. Member Habsburg’s CEDI council. Chairman
parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee 1982-85. Member
Western Goals Europe.

Stauffenberg, Christoph von

Cousin of the famous Hitler plotter. Ran an intelligence network
for the CSU, on which Strauss relied a lot. Former BND officer.

Spain

Sanchez-Bella, Alfredo*

Minister and ambassador (Colombia and Italy) under Franco. Co-
founder CEDI with Habsburg. Director Paneuropa Union and
AESP. Wilton Park conferences. Brother of an Opus Dei leader.

Fraga-Iribarne, Manuel

Franco’s minister of information and ambassador to London. Co-
founder extreme right Alianza Popular in 1976. 1001 Club.

Munoz, Federico Silva

Minister under Franco. Co-founder AP and first president. Did not
accept the new 1978 constitution of Spain and left the AP. His
new Derecha Democratica Espanola party then tried to build an
alliance with the ultrafascists of Fuerza Nueva, which fell apart
over leadership issues. [already known]

United States

Shackley, Theodore*

Under Bill Harvey in Berlin 1950s. CIA station chief in Miami
(head JMWAVE) 1962-65, Laos 1966-68, Saigon 1968-72.
CIA’s Western Hemisphere chief 1972-76. CIA Deputy Director of
Operations under George H. W. Bush 1976-79. Forced out of the
CIA by Adm. Stansfield Turner. Remained active in covert ops.
Head Miami chapter Association For Intelligence Officers (AFIO).
Ran Atlantic Cercle from 1994 until his death. Occassionally
visited Le Cercle, but was usually represented through Donald Jameson.

Plenty of other CIA officers visited. One set up the Gehlen Org; then went to Iraq and helped put Saddam Hussein in power. Lovely people. ;)

Magda Hassan
10-20-2011, 01:42 PM
Yes, the dream shaman career change is just so ripe with possibilities for a man with his political interests. His wiki entry is very stage managed. I presume that you would have read Dave McGowan's take on the CIA and the counter culture in his Laurel Canyon series? Lot's of interesting connections and events.

I'd be interested to hear what you think about of Anders Breivik and if there are any connections that you see to significant people.

Joel van der Reijden.
10-20-2011, 01:50 PM
About the newly added sources: Actually, if you have such a list (or photocopy of pp. 16-17 of Andre van Bosbeke's book) for the Institut Europeen pour la Paix et la Securite it would be much appreciated... Very interested in seeing the names General Robert Richardson and General Daniel Graham (both on the ASC board) sitting around the table with Jean Gol and Jacques Jonet.

Joel van der Reijden.
10-20-2011, 02:49 PM
Heard that David Guyatt uploaded the new PDF to Wikispooks:

https://wikispooks.com/w/images/2/20/Rogue_Agents_-_Habsburg%2C_Pinay_and_the_Private_Cold_War_1951_-_1991_by_David_Teacher_(3rd_edition%2C_2011%2C_ful l).pdf (https://wikispooks.com/w/images/2/20/Rogue_Agents_-_Habsburg%2C_Pinay_and_the_Private_Cold_War_1951_-_1991_by_David_Teacher_%283rd_edition%2C_2011%2C_f ull%29.pdf)

I suggest you right-click to download. Not all browsers/connections like 40 MB pdf files.

Joel van der Reijden.
10-20-2011, 03:25 PM
Double

Joel van der Reijden.
10-21-2011, 11:19 PM
Edit: same here. Sticking to Le Cercle. PM me again if you want a copy of the reply.

Peter Lemkin
10-22-2011, 08:11 AM
FWIW, In the above post I noted the name of Daniel Sheehan, who I met several times and have reason to know somewhat. I don't claim to know all about what makes him 'tick'. However, from what I know of him he is honest, not a tool of anyone, working to expose much of what you claim to and make the world a better place, more democratic, less controlled by secret ops and Oligarchy, etc. Everyone would make up different [non-overlapping lists] and I don't condemn you for including him on yours...I only ask the reasons you might have included him. I worked with him on the legal case he handled for two victims of the La Penca bombing [which exposed the Iran-Contra Cabal - and much else - if there was any fault, IMHO, with the case and the research around it, it was that he was overly broad [not wrong] in his efforts - which made him and Christic Institute, Honey/Avergan easy targets of those who yell 'conspiracy theorists' with malice and at the drop of a hat. That the PTB, Intel community, and those involved in and with the Iran-Contra Cabal sought to destroy him goes a long way to showing which side he was/is on. I've not been in contact with him in a LOOONG time and last heard he was in N. CA doing something completely different. I know at times his life was under threat when he was hiding in San Diego and elsewhere.

Joel van der Reijden.
10-22-2011, 01:55 PM
Edit: Sticking to Le Cercle.

Joel van der Reijden.
10-22-2011, 05:56 PM
Edit: same

Joel van der Reijden.
10-22-2011, 07:40 PM
Maybe I shouldn't be so harsh and condescending, but unless you agreed with me on Sheehan and distanced yourself from him and some of your own ideas (which you are never-ever going to do).... you were checkmate there. Well, Sheehan's more important so maybe I'll skip you in my future writings.

Let's stick to Le Cercle. New book in this thread... and a couple of new names. Pretty good progress I would say. To make up I added more names to the previous page.

David Teacher
10-24-2011, 07:43 PM
First up, I agree with Joel - let's keep this on subject, or I can't be bothered to read the thread any more. Any off-topic issue is better started in a new thread - all the more discussion on specific subjects! The debate on this forum about the second edition of Rogue Agents was killed off by a fruitless sidetrack re Diana [on whom NO further comments], and research is all about FOCUS. So, let's focus, there is a lot of catching up to do.

Second off, Joel, my email account got wiped due to inactivity several months back, so I lost all the messages and adresses, including yours. Intrigued about new Cercle documents, please send them again - the email is reactivated now.

Third up, you're not hijacking my topic at all, you're contributing to it, for which my thanks. Intelligent and focussed discussion is always worth listening to. Glad to see your site is archived; so much research should not go to waste. Without having seen these lists as yet, one correction on the names, however:

"Stauffenberg, Christoph von

Cousin of the famous Hitler plotter. Ran an intelligence network
for the CSU, on which Strauss relied a lot. Former BND officer."


Let's make that Hans Christoph von Stauffenberg aka Hans von Machtenberg [Crozier], eh?


Next-to-last up, Richardson/Graham - Close/Jonet ... but of course. Jonet's wife was also doing the donkey work for IEPS in the early 1990s. A couple of significant snippets of info you may have overlooked from the book:

(412) Close, who died in 2003, had one interesting early posting as Belgian Military Attaché in London from 1967 to 1970 [i.e. IRD and FWF peak period, foundation of ISC].

Alfredo Sanchez Bella ... was appointed Spanish Ambassador to ... Italy from 1962 to 1969 [i.e. AN's formation and military training in Greece by the KYP, birth of strategy of tension, etc.] before being recalled to serve in Franco's Cabinet [replacing Fraga, and taking the Spanish chair of CEDI over from Martin Artajo in 1970].

And, last up, a response to previous comments here: this research is not ongoing, it is concluded, at least for me after twenty years - with this edition, I have given all I have. Both texts, short and long, are provided as locked PDFs (you can download, open, read, search, print, copy and email the file, but you cannot copy text from, amend, comment or add to it) to ensure that you get my book, the whole book and nothing but the book.

Now, you can read, digest and comment on it here, which I look forward to.

And very nice to hear from you, Joel!

David Teacher
10-24-2011, 08:01 PM
The two von Stauffenbergs, whilst bearing the same name and both CSU members, were cut from quite different cloth - from Rogue Agents:

"(306) ... Hans Christoph Schenk Freiherr von Stauffenberg, who died in Munich in 2005, was a member of the junior branch of the von Stauffenberg family, being the son of Reichstag Nazi MP Franz Wilhelm Karl Maria Gabriel Schenk Freiherr von Stauffenberg."

"Franz Ludwig Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg, a CSU MP from 1976 to 1987 and a Vice President of the German PEU section (324) This von Stauffenberg, only distantly related to the Freiherr von Stauffenberg who ran the CSU's private intelligence network, was part of the main branch of the von Stauffenberg lineage, being the third son of Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg who with his brother Berthold was executed in 1944 for plotting to kill Hitler. "

Glad to have got that one cleared up.

Joel van der Reijden.
10-24-2011, 08:48 PM
Check your mail, David. Like what you see?

Hmmm... it seems we are talking about the same Stauffenberg. I remember it took me quite a bit of time to pick the right one... The Cercle document reads "Chr. Freiherr von Stauffenberg", but doesn't give any information on him. And I left out the name Hans in the *.doc file I cited from, because I ran out of space in the left column where the names are. ;) You can see how in the *.doc file I just sent you. Guessed Chr. stood for Christoph. The *.htm file has additional info on Hans Christoph Schenk Freiherr von Stauffenberg in the form of two old articles: Der Spiegel and The Independent.

But in any case, didn't know he was Hans von Machtenberg. Will read up on that when I have more time. And I may be reading wrong here... bit tired.

Let's finish up on Stauffenberg first. I may have a question or two also about the IEPS. And I still need to look at what you typed about Sanchez Bella.

David Teacher
10-24-2011, 10:23 PM
Dear Joel,

Almost real time! No hurry,Joel, will be checking email when I can. Don't know why the list would only refer to Chr. when all his friends used "Hans", Crozier included. One note for all concerned: I severely doubt that the Cercle ever produced any written documents - not the way to run a confidential network ; everything Crozier says (and tradecraft demands) would point away from written records. Langemann's retelling of (Hans) von Stauffenberg's verbal reports are the most accurate we have. Roth's 1989 minutes are quoting from documents we do not have - potential for disinformation, as German journalism was heavily infiltrated by the East (MfS) at the time. See:
Top Secret, Number 1/89 (Postfach 270324, 5000 Köln 1, West Germany). On Top Secret, see the USIA's assessment at http://intellit.muskingum.edu/russia_folder/pcw_era/sect_09b.htm

I will check email asap, but am initially suspicious of any written records from the Cercle itself - never seen any before. If needs be, we'll forward them to Crozier for comment with your permission ...

In any case, the Cercle is far from the central forum (and there is none; it is a network, the Cercle is merely one of the nodes): so not losing ourselves in the details, YES, both you and I aimed right: the "Paneuropean Right" or the "Vatican-Paneuropa" axis is the one to follow (but dump the 'Synarchism' stuff, pardon me). Yes, it had the influence we thought it did. Yes, the only symbol possible to summarize it is Charlemagne's signature:
one thousand three hundred years later but still relevant, hence the inclusion on the title page. The only reason I do not rename to your designation "Vatican-Paneuropa" (which has a nice ring to it) is that my "Paneuropean Right" includes other foreign political and intelligence networks (Protestant movements; BND, MI6, BVD) than the straight Opus Dei/Vatican>SDECE/Dubois-Violet axis, of which CIOC is well worth investigating, but this is only one side of the big picture. It also excludes major issues like the UK's accession to the EU, smoothed via CEDI, but beyond Catholic networking.

Hope this helps, and hope that you will pursue the tip on Close and Sanchez Bella being in the right place at the right time ...

Joel van der Reijden.
10-25-2011, 04:35 PM
Yeah, the minute you replied my email icon in the lower left corner flared up: "David Teacher has replied to the topic" Must say, very handy.


One note for all concerned: I severely doubt that the Cercle ever produced any written documents - not the way to run a confidential network ; everything Crozier says (and tradecraft demands) would point away from written records. Langemann's retelling of (Hans) von Stauffenberg's verbal reports are the most accurate we have. ... I will check email asap, but am initially suspicious of any written records from the Cercle itself - never seen any before. If needs be, we'll forward them to Crozier for comment with your permission ...

Haha, feel free to be skeptical (you won't be for long) and forward the documents to Crozier. Ask Crozier about a speech I sent you in which he lays out the entire Cercle strategy for southern Africa. He will love that. I even left the French speeches behind... Can't be bothered anymore to translate that. The Atlantic Cercle stuff I posted last year were also Cercle documents - and not very well hidden, at least for people who are searching for it (and their new address is registered at the Balli Group in London... but it's seemingly impossible to get details on directors). Atlantic Cercle even had a website in 2002, probably fearing more incriminating articles tied to Le Cercle would soon follow. They're trying to be secret, but it's tough. Still, no real info anymore in recent years - certainly no details on members. And various members let things slip on a regular basis. In these times with the internet that can be picked up. Not surprising. There's no real penalty on leaking Cercle info. It's non-government. Crozier purged his papers from any Cercle referenes, except for the Pinay Committee, but not all (old) participants were that careful. And Crozier himself, of course, couldn't resist writing about his own "super secret" Cercle. Well, it was "super secret" back then. Guess it still is to some extent. If I didn't publish anything on it, you wouldn't have either, and it was probably still a largely overlooked group.

Good chance Crozier already knows about my documents. The Cercle absolutely refuses to speak to me, with or without lists. Tried Tom Spencer (a friend of Ted Shackley (won't call or email back)), Nadhmi Auchi, the pro-Franco scholar Jaime Pinto in Portugal and Lord Lamont. It was kind of fun to contact Pinto. I asked him if he knew Baron de Bonvoisin was a member: "Yeah, interesting questions, I'll get back to you in two weeks...". Then he broke off contact. A couple of weeks later I found the lists... he and de Bonvoisin going to the same meetings... Too funny asking him follow up questions: "Dear Mr. Pinto, I have this list here in front of me and was wondering..." :coffee: No more replies. So funny. Asked him also about a "Club Vaduz" he and other Cercle members visit... probably not a reference to the soccer club...

Funny you mention I should dump the Synarchism stuff... One of the questions I asked to Pinto is what he meant with the following sentence: "[Jonet, Crozier and I were] still trying to find other synergias, such as "African."" What "synergias" are and if "African" meant the Afrikaners. I see Synarchism as French fascism in the run up to World War II. That's it. Seemed to have existed (not relying on EIR), so I keep a superficial interest in it.


In any case, the Cercle is far from the central forum (and there is none; it is a network, the Cercle is merely one of the nodes): so not losing ourselves in the details, YES, both you and I aimed right: the "Paneuropean Right" or the "Vatican-Paneuropa" axis is the one to follow (but dump the 'Synarchism' stuff, pardon me). Yes, it had the influence we thought it did. Yes, the only symbol possible to summarize it is Charlemagne's signature: one thousand three hundred years later but still relevant, hence the inclusion on the title page. The only reason I do not rename to your designation "Vatican-Paneuropa" (which has a nice ring to it) is that my "Paneuropean Right" includes other foreign political and intelligence networks (Protestant movements; BND, MI6, BVD) than the straight Opus Dei/Vatican>SDECE/Dubois-Violet axis, of which CIOC is well worth investigating, but this is only one side of the big picture. It also excludes major issues like the UK's accession to the EU, smoothed via CEDI, but beyond Catholic networking.

I do agree and somewhat do not agree with you. Thing is, my online writings are accurate... but ancient. But it takes too long to explain my new model (which works like a charm for a year now). Did that in this topic and trashed it. That's why I deleted everything and just focused on Le Cercle. Not important now.

What is important: tell me when you are convinced of the documents' authenticity. Won't be long. Any minute now... ;)

David Teacher
10-25-2011, 05:31 PM
In brief, as I am pressed for time today, I have now had a look at Joel's Cercle documents and must withdraw my earlier scepticism about the Cercle producing any documents- not only do they offer unique insight into Le Cercle and confirm many of the names I had advanced, but I have also been able to satisfy myself about their source and have no doubt that they are genuine. A real coup, Joel - hats off to you! :worship:Your future research will be even more interesting to read!

Joel van der Reijden.
10-27-2011, 03:16 PM
56 minutes ;) ... Don't use the bow thingy ... you are definitely better at getting the proper documentation. Once wanted you to write for ISGP a quick "how to" of investigative journalism so other people can quickly learn the art (these don't seem to have been written).

Anyway, had the ISGP website updated with two speeches of Brian Crozier and five membership lists. So anyone can use them in their research. What's the point of keeping it back for years to come? Putting together the story behind these names together is the real art.

https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/First_ever_documents_of_Le_Cercle.htm

3109

Funny, the three people who wrote the most about Le Cercle are all affiliated with this thread.

Edit: damn, always spelling errors with the first publication. Well, can't go editing everything now. Thanks for updating the ISGP website, Peter.

David Teacher
10-27-2011, 04:22 PM
Just a quick reply to Joel - I can't really claim the credit for getting all that information, as I did have the advantage of reading all those snippets published (in the print media) by the dozen or so journalists who've dealt with bits of the story. A weaver of tales maybe, but not really a Sherlock Holmes!

Now let's see if any of our readers is interested enough in Joel's and my research to pursue the topic here ...

Joel van der Reijden.
10-29-2011, 09:37 PM
I don't think there's much to say for the average person. Largely seems to be a dead forum - which is fine. What's there to discuss on a day-to-day basis anyway when it comes to this stuff. Google cache is what is important.

So: just sent a final update to the Wikispooks admin for the ISGP website. I just quickly summarized some of the stuff I've been working on. Knowing that stuff is out should keep me quiet at least for another year or so.

It should appear here in the following days: https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/index.html

The image I can upload here (converted to lower quality jpg... gif didn't work)... The text is too much.

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"[One of our [comment: young, radical] members of parliament is the only one who] asks congressional questions about the Bilderberg conferences, because members of the government go there - the queen and one or two ministers - and because no report is provided to congress. About the other organizations too little concrete information exists to be used in parliamentary sessions. ... To be honest, little can be said with certainty about the way Bilderberg influences [regular politics]. ... The SP is focused on formal political relations … With your question we enter the extra-parliamentary domain of parapolitics; informal, non-public organizations in which influence-forming is practiced, often by persons in influential government positions and/or from the corporate world who together make political decisions without oversight."
- Assistant to a long-sitting socialist member of Dutch parliament. The initial question was about Le Cercle. Members of parliament from the U.S., England, the Netherlands and Belgium refused to reply or denied knowing anything about Le Cercle. This includes a member of England's Cercle-affiliated Intelligence and Security Committee. Cercle members also refuse to comment. (October 2010)

David Teacher
12-08-2011, 08:20 PM
As I somewhat cynically expected, the initial enthusiasm from others about the book on the first page of this thread fizzles out ... no-one except Joel seems to have bothered to read it. Nonetheless, one extra snippet recently gleaned re Jean Violet.

First off, anyone (and I mean anyone) should be interested in the most notorious covert operator for France and for the Vatican from the fifties until the eighties, deeply involved in a multi-million franc swindle (sniffer planes), and yet who has NO wikipedia entry in any language ...

Second up, I wrote in the intro to the third edition: "As for [the death of] Jean Violet, no-one has ever known ..."

Well, now we do - he died in late 2000.

His son Paul Violet, born in 1950 and "gaulliste de gauche depuis toujours", Assistant Mayor of Paris under Chirac (1983-95) and Socialist Party member since 2005, rose to his father's defence in a response to a 2001 article which dated his father's death to the end of the previous year: see http://www.lepoint.fr/actualites-politique/2007-01-19/elf-affaires-de-famille/917/0/57829 and http://www.lepoint.fr/archives/article.php/58840.

Violet junior, a previous employee of companies involved in the sniffer plane scandal and one-time alleged business contact of de Bonvoisin's, was allegedly one of the bag-men in "l'affaire des marchés publics des lycées d'Ile-de-France" (school public tenders in the Parisian region), one of several corruption scandals under Mayor Chirac, later prosecuted by French judicial authorities. For the allegation concerning the involvement of Violet junior, see http://didier.cardon37.over-blog.com/article-5697139.html.

The main man in this scandal concerning covert funding of most of the French political parties was Michel Roussin, in charge of security at the Prime Minister's Office Matignon in 1972-74 before notably serving as chef de cabinet to SDECE chief Alexandre de Marenches in 1977-81 and chef de service at the Defence Ministry in 1981, later serving as chef de cabinet under Jacques Chirac at the Paris Town Hall then at Matignon in 1984-88 before becoming directeur de cabinet under Chirac at the Paris Town Hall in 1988-93 and briefly serving as Development and Cooperation Minister from 1993-94.

Roussin was convicted of complicity and concealing corruption in "l'affaire des marchés publics des lycées d'Ile-de-France" in 2005, a conviction confirmed in 2006; Roussin's final appeal was rejected in 2008.

See Paul Violet talking about (some of) his past history whilst supporting Anne Hidalgo, First Deputy Mayor of Paris (since 2001, under Bertrand Delanoë) and Socialist candidate for Mayor of the the XVth arrondissement of Paris in 2008 here:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4dl76_paul-violet_politics

"Paul Violet est un homme de conviction", says the video. Ah, comme les Français disent, mon coeur bat à gauche ...

Probably only of interest to Joel; the others are busy chasing down links proving Breivik was CIA or a Martian ... :moon:

Peter Lemkin
12-08-2011, 09:30 PM
Maybe I shouldn't be so harsh and condescending, but unless you agreed with me on Sheehan and distanced yourself from him and some of your own ideas (which you are never-ever going to do).... you were checkmate there. Well, Sheehan's more important so maybe I'll skip you in my future writings.

Let's stick to Le Cercle. New book in this thread... and a couple of new names. Pretty good progress I would say. To make up I added more names to the previous page.

That is quite a nasty comment and self-serving faux ego boost you gave yourself! You expect people to engage you with this kind of vitriol? 'unless you agreed with me'.......and [distance] some of your [my] own ideas. I wish we had 'block' here, as I'd block you. I didn't say Sheehan was a saint or more important than x, y, or z, I simply started to mention I knew him and am probably the only one here who did...but perhaps you don't like first person accounts of people. I think your ego and id need a tune up whoever you think you are. Over and out. You put it pretty well [superego] 'maybe I shouldn't be so condescending.' I'll second that!

I'm too angry to address the main topic, which YOU seem to want to enforce, rather than let people post what they like. Last I checked you were not a moderator. By the way, was I who sent David G. the copy, which he then posted.

David Teacher
12-08-2011, 10:03 PM
Dear Peter,

First off, I'm very glad to see some comments on this thread. As you may have seen from my comment above, it has been disappointing to start a thread about a particular subject involving twenty years of my life researching and producing unique content, for it to be diverted into other subjects not mentioned in the research project.

I state my position so all is clear:

First up, research is about FOCUS - this particular thread is on the Cercle Pinay, Brian Crozier, 6I, Vatican-Paneuropa et al. I welcome further discussion on Daniel Sheehan (of whom I am almost entirely ignorant) in another thread - as I have said before, the more focussed discussion, the better! All of us want more info and more debate; let's just categorize it right. If you have a dispute with Joel about Sheehan, I look forward to reading both of your views in a dedicated thread - not here.

Second up, you were reading the (my, no ego-trip intended) book - so what do you think? On-subject comments and contributions most welcome!

Third up, thank god (whom I don't believe in), blocking debate is not possible because it's always bad news: if you have a view, then fight it. Freedom of speech (just in the right thread)!

Hoping to hear from you, DT.

Joel van der Reijden.
12-08-2011, 11:07 PM
David, I understand you are in the process of reading my latest (quickly-written) summary:

https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/index.html
http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:The_Three_Establishment_Model_of_Covert_P olitics (a copy the Wikispooks admin wanted to have)

That summary describes Sheehan very clearly as an agent of the liberal establishment and an associate/friend of George Shultz, Zbigniew Brzezinski and Henry Kissinger (all three Pilgrims) in particular. He helped them with exposing Iran Contra, with the Disclosure Project and with the U.N./New Age world religion agenda. No need for debate on that. The evidence is right in the above summary.

Also, David, I'll stick to the private conversations. Forums are a really bad way to spread information. Thanks for the update though. Paul is probably the only person I labeled a Cercle member by association. For everyone else I have a source saying they visited Le Cercle at least once. Not that it really matters. I'll believe you in a heartbeat that he knew de Bonvoisin, like his father did.

David Teacher
12-08-2011, 11:55 PM
Dear Joel and Peter too,

We've heard from Joel that Sheehan is a key character - in exposing Iran-Contra etc (and just as well, a real nest of vipers), but with doubts attached. Peter, who's met him, has a different opinion - fine, let's hear it in a specific thread. FOCUS! So,please, either one of you, create a specific Sheehan thread, and pursue the debate there - not here! Sheehan has no known connection to our immediate subject: pour memoire: Cercle, Crozier,etc.

Whilst I don't agree with Joel on everything (different perspectives), his research is A1+ - on everything I know about, it's been spot-on. What I don't know about, I don't know about, and so withhold comment here. I look forward to learning more in a specific Sheehan thread.

Discussing details in a forum may well be a waste of time; I always back it up with private communications to serious researchers to make sure the info gets through, but the forum could ensure that all interested see the stuff ... so far, a waste of time but who knows? It puts the info out there ... for everyone to ignore, distort .. or maybe learn from ... DT.

David Teacher
12-09-2011, 12:06 AM
Rogue Agents footnote (140) Brewaeys and Deliège, pg 180; Brewaeys and Deliège also note (pg 39) that de Bonvoisin arranged a contract for a business contact by taking him to Paris in 1986 to meet Paul Violet, Jean Violet's son and deputy to the Mayor of Paris, Jacques Chirac. Violet junior was also Vice-President of the Regional Council of the Ile-de-France, member of the National Council of Chirac's RPR and founder in 1991 of the Chirac lobby group, République et Valeurs (Le Monde, 20/9/91).