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    Default Another mass shooting at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin....details fuzzy

    Little known, as it is ongoing. One officer shot; one shooter shot and captured. Why Sikhs...they are NOT muslims [though many idiot Americans thing they are, because the men wear head turbans. Just outside of Milwaukee, WI. Rumors that there are two other shooters inside the very large temple and many injured and/or hostages inside. One report from the Priest inside that up to 20-30 inside shot; not know how many are dead. Doesn't sound good. All too many of these sorts of things!!!

    a few dribs and drabs more...
    A person who had friends inside the temple told Patch that the shooting occurred during a morning service and that at least one gunman opened fire on the victims.
    There are other reports that victims still in the temple were telling friends and family not to call their cell phones because they are still in hiding and the ringer may give up their positions.
    Police also have been asking media to not broadcast any photo, video or tactical developments at temple.
    Another person on the scene told Patch that shortly before noon that there were three or four people inside the temple with guns. That person described the shooting as "a hate crime."
    Another member of the temple told Patch: "The priest called from inside (the temple) and said, "Send ambulances; send ambulances."
    According to recent information broadcast over police radio, a witness to the shooting told law enforcement the shooter was a white male, with a heavy build, bald head and wearing a sleeveless T-shirt. He was last seen with two handguns.
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    update: at least seven dead - one a/the gunman
    Last edited by Peter Lemkin; 08-05-2012 at 07:04 PM.
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    Police say at least seven people, including a gunman, were killed in a shooting at a Sikh temple near Milwaukee Sunday.

    Police were called to respond to the shooting at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in the suburb of Oak Creek on Sunday morning, when witnesses said several dozen people were gathering for a service.

    Greenfield Police Chief Bradley Wentlandt said four people were found dead inside the temple, while three, including the suspected shooter, were found dead outside. Police say they don't think there is a second shooter involved.

    Wentlandt said the shooting suspect opened fire on an officer and the officer "put down" that man. Wentlandt said the officer was shot multiple times.

    He described the scene as chaotic and fluid and urged the media not to broadcast photos or video showing tactical units, which could put officers in danger. Police responded to the shooting with a dozen ambulances.

    Three other shooting victims, all men, were taken to Froederdt Hospital in Milwaukee, the main trauma center for the area, spokeswoman Carolyn Bellin said. One was in the operating room, another in a surgical intensive care unit and the third was being evaluated in the emergency room, she said.

    According to the Journal Sentinel, there could be as many as 30 victims; among those shot was the president of the temple.

    A text message sent to a Journal Sentinel reporter stated that there were two shooters, and children were possibly taken hostage.

    “Since I’ve been alderman, for about three years, there has never been any trouble, or any problems,” County Alderman Dan Jakupczyk told Fox News of the temple. “They have been good citizens.”

    Greenfield Police Chief Bradley Wentlandt told reporters that a police officer arriving on the scene engaged an active shooter and that the officer was shot multiple times. The officer is expected to recover, Wentlandt said. He said the shooter was “put down.”

    One of the temple's committee members, Ven Boba Ri, told the Journal Sentinel that based on communication with people inside the temple, the shooter was a white male in his 30s.

    "It's sad, I don't know how to describe it," said Ri, who has been fielding calls all morning from around the world, including India.

    "Sikhism is such a peaceful religion. We have suffered for generations, in India and even here."

    Oak Creek is south of Milwaukee along Lake Michigan.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Seven dead, including gunman, in shooting at Wisconsin Sikh temple


    By Brendan O'Brien
    OAK CREEK, Wisconsin | Sun Aug 5, 2012 7:09pm EDT

    (Reuters) - A gunman killed six people and critically wounded three at a Sikh temple during Sunday services before police shot him dead, and the attack is being treated as domestic terrorism, police said.
    The gunman opened fire when he entered the kitchen at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in suburban Milwaukee at about 10:30 a.m. CDT (11.30 a.m. EDT) as women were preparing a Sunday meal, witnesses said. They described the shooter as a white man.
    Turban-wearing Sikhs are often mistaken for Muslims, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation is overseeing the probe into shootings, Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards said.
    "We're treating this as a domestic terrorist incident," he told reporters.
    Four people were shot dead inside the sprawling temple. Three, including the gunman, were killed outside.
    The gunman ambushed and shot a police officer several times when he responded to a 911 call and was helping a shooting victim, Edwards said.
    A second officer shot the gunman dead. Edwards had no identification of the shooter or what kind of weapon or weapons he had.
    The wounded officer, a 20-year veteran, was taken to a hospital and is expected to survive, he said.
    The Oak Creek shooting is the latest in a series of gun rampages in the suburban United States.
    The shooting came little more than two weeks after a gunman opened fire at a theater in Aurora, Colorado, killing 12 people and wounding 58. In January 2011, then-congresswomen Gabrielle Giffords was the target of an assassination attempt in which six people were killed and 13 were wounded.
    "The gunman is worse than the one at the theater a couple of weeks ago because he targeted an entire community," said temple member Jagatjit Sidhu.
    He was among dozens of temple members and onlookers who gathered in a parking lot near the temple after police sealed the building off.
    LONE GUNMAN
    Witnesses at the temple had said there was more than one gunman, but Edwards said reports of multiple gunmen were common in incidents that involved only one shooter.
    "We believe there was one but we can't be sure," he said. Officers finished sweeping the temple only after hours of searching, and Edwards said the investigation was just starting.
    President Barack Obama said he was "deeply saddened" and pledged his administration's commitment to fully investigate the shooting.
    Obama was briefed by counterterrorism adviser John Brennan and FBI director Bob Mueller and told the situation at the temple was "under control."
    "The president said that he wanted to make sure that as we denounce this senseless act of violence we also underscore how much our country has been enriched by our Sikh community," the White House said in a statement.
    The Indian embassy in Washington said it was in touch with the National Security Council about the shooting and an Indian diplomat had been sent to the Sikh temple in Wisconsin.
    Milwaukee's Froedtert Hospital said three men had been brought in wounded and were in critical condition. One had been shot in the abdomen, one in the extremities and face, and a third was hit in the neck.
    SIKHS IN U.S.
    The Sikh faith is the fifth-largest in the world, with more than 30 million followers. It includes belief in one God and that the goal of life is to lead an exemplary existence.
    The temple in Oak Creek was founded in October 1997 and has a congregation of 350 to 400 people. There are an estimated 500,000 or more Sikhs in the United States.
    Since the attacks of September 11, 2001 by Islamist militants, Sikhs have sometimes been confused publicly with Muslims because of their turban headdress and beards.
    In September 2001, a Sikh gas station owner in Mesa, Arizona, was shot dead by a man who was said to be seeking revenge on Muslims for the hijacked plane attacks on the United States.
    Members of the Milwaukee Sikh community complained to police and a state representative last year about an upturn in robberies and vandalism at Sikh-owned gas stations and stores.
    New York police said they were increasing security at Sikh temples as a precaution. There are no known threats against temples in the city, they said in a statement.
    Sapreet Kaur, executive director of the Sikh Coalition civil rights organization, said Sikhs had been the target of several hate-crime shootings in the United States in recent years.
    "The natural impulse of our community is to unfortunately assume the same in this case," he said in a statement.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8740FP20120805
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
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    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    What worries me [along with the needless loss of life] is the branding of this as domestic 'terrorism'. That word now legally can be used to trigger off all kinds of horrible things. In the past it would be called a case of mass murder or a hate crime. Very little is being said about the apparent shooter and dead men don't speak. Wait a few days and there may be a package with a diary or notebook with drawings....

    The Police were quick to say the shooter had no affiliation with any hate groups or terrorist groups. Quick work on their part :smileymad:, It may be so, or it may not be; but he was certainly a hate group of one and didn't randomly choose that location to shoot people [just having a 'bad day' and needing to 'let off steam' American style].
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    The shooter was named as a former soldier who had links to racist groups....they often teach that now in the military - in some units, I hear.

    ....BUT GET THIS! Wade Michael Page, who served in the U.S. Army for about six years. According to sources in the Army, Page enlisted in April 1992 and was given a less-than-honorable discharge in October 1998. He served at Fort Bliss, Texas, in the psychological operations unit in 1994, and was last stationed at Fort Bragg, N.C., attached to the psychological operations unit.

    There are far too many 'coincidences' of people involved with psychological units, psychology or related sciences becoming mass executioners to be 'chance'....which leaves some kind of program [such as mind control or mind disruptions or conspiracy or both]. This too was likely a PSYOP with a very long latency trigger. I'd just LOVE to know what he was trained to do in his psychological operations unit and what he, himself, was subjected to!!!! I'm sure we'll not be told......I can guess.

    Also of note: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms Special Agent Thomas Ahern said Page had tattoos that suggested he had ties to white supremacists. "It is being investigated. And what his tattoos signified is being investigated. They are all pieces of a possible puzzle to learn what was his motive in carrying out such a horrific act," Ahern said. On Sunday the FBI and a bomb squad arrived at a home in Cudahy, Wis., near Oak Creek, and ABC News Milwaukee affiliate WISN reported the action appeared to be related to the temple shootings earlier in the day. [shades of James Holmes....crossed with Breivik]
    Last edited by Peter Lemkin; 08-06-2012 at 02:55 PM.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Sikh Temple Shooting: Get Ready For "Hate Crime"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w_wK...layer_embedded

    The narrative for the Sikh temple shooting in Wisconsin to be blamed on conservatives and libertarians in order to portray anti-big government activists as "hate criminals" is already underway. This will also be used to further demonize the second amendment as legislation is readied to eviscerate gun rights. Watch out!

    Obama is being kept up to date on the issue by his homeland security advisor even though this tragic incident is over and has nothing to do with national security. The media is already hyping the "hate crime" angle.

    RELATED: Eyewitness: 4 Man Team Behind Sikh Temple Shooting -http://www.infowars.com/eyewitness-4...mple-shooting/

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    James henry Fetzer comment: "James Henry Fetzer
    Paul Joseph Watson writes, "The narrative for the Sikh temple shooting in Wisconsin to be blamed on conservatives and libertarians in order to portray anti-big government activists as “hate criminals” is already underway. This will also be used to further demonize the second amendment as legislation is readied to eviscerate gun rights – despite the fact that the shooter was only stopped when a police officer killed him by firing a gun.

    "Obama is being kept up to date on the issue by his homeland security advisor even though this tragic incident is over and has nothing to do with national security. The media is already hyping the “hate crime” angle."

    The psyops are already emerging...and the shooter was a military psyops specialist. What a coincidental whiff of MK Ultra.



    posted by Silvija at WMR's
    August 6-7, 2012 -- OFF-TOPIC DAILY FORUM


    http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20120806_1


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    below that, posted by
    nierika (San Diego)


    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...emple-murderer

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...n-army-veteran

    Am familiar with this group being active in Stormfront and other forums. The whole White Supremacist Movement and Christian Identity Movement seems to be engineered by Zionistsin in conjunction with the FBI. Sad to see young people get caught up in this crap. My old friend Michael Delaney has gone down that road and it discredits his previous 9/11 work including MISSING LINKS.
    "Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"

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    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/06...n-sikh-temple/ (contains embedded photo chain)

    URGENT: A 40-year-old Army veteran and suspected white supremacist who gunned down six inside a Milwaukee-area Sikh temple shot the responding officer eight to nine times before he was killed by police, authorities said Monday.
    Officials said the gunman, whom they identified as Wade Michael Page, walked into the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin on Sunday and opened fire with a 9mm semi-automatic handgun as several dozen people prepared for morning services. The victims ranged in age from 39 to 84, authorities said. Three others were wounded, including 51-year-old veteran police officer Brian Murphy, who remains in critical condition.
    Authorities said during a Monday press conference that there is no reason to believe anyone other than Page was involved in the shooting in the Milwaukee suburb of Oak Creek. But the FBI showed a photo of a "person of interest" whom they want to question in the investigation. The unidentified man showed up at the scene after the shooting and looked "suspicious," Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards said. The man left before police could interview him.
    FBI Special Agent in Charge, Teresa Carlson, said a motive is still under investigation, and noted that authorities are looking at Page's "ties to white supremacist groups."
    Carlson said the shooting is being investigated as a "possible act of terrorism." She said the suspect "had contact with law enforcement in the past," but said there was no reason to believe he was capable of such violence.
    "Nobody knew that this guy was a threat," Carlson said.
    Edwards said police received a distress call at 10:25 a.m. from inside the temple. He said the shooting suspect ambushed and opened fire on Murphy, a 20-year veteran of the police force, after he showed up on scene and tried to help a victim outside. Murphy was shot by the suspect eight to nine times, Edwards said.
    Other officers responding to the scene exchanged rounds of gunfire with the suspect before "putting the individual down," Edwards said.
    Four people were found dead inside the temple, while three, including the suspected shooter, were found dead outside. The victims were identified Monday as Sita Singh, 41, Ranjit Singh, 49, Satwant Singh Kaleka, 65, Prakash Singh, 39, Paramjit Kaur, 41, and Suveg Singh, 84.
    Sources close to the investigation told Fox News that Page was at one time attached to the Fort Bragg Army installation in North Carolina.
    Authorities said Page enlisted in April 1992 and was discharged from the Army in 1998 "under honorable conditions," which is less than honorable discharge. While not as negative as a dishonorable discharge, such a release would preclude one from reenlisting or entering another military service, sources explained to Fox News. Reuters reported that the discharge was for "patterns of misconduct," including being drunk on duty.
    Page served at Fort Bliss, Texas, in the psychological operations unit in 1994, and was last stationed at Fort Bragg, N.C., attached to the psychological operations unit. He was an E4 psychological operations specialist, but was never deployed. He was awarded the Army Commendation Medal, Army Achievement Medal, Army Good Conduct award, the National Defense Service Medal, Humanitarian Service Medal and Parachutist Badge.
    The shooting left the local Sikh community devastated. Sikhism, a monotheistic faith founded in South Asia more than 500 years ago, has roughly 27 million folowers worldwide. Most are in India, though there are an estimated 500,000 in the U.S. Many Sikhs in the U.S. worship on Sundays at a temple, or gurdwara, and a typical service consists of meditation and singing in a prayer room where worshippers remove their shoes and sit on the floor. Worshippers gather afterward for a meal that is open to the entire community.

    The Sikh Temple of Wisconsin started in 1997 with about 25 families who gathered in community halls in Milwaukee. Construction on the current temple in Oak Creek began in 2006, according to the temple's website. Sikh rights groups have reported a rise in bias attacks since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. The Washington-based Sikh Coalition has reported more than 700 incidents in the U.S. since 9/11, which advocates blame on anti-Islamic sentiment. Sikhs are not Muslims, but their long beards and turbans often cause them to be mistaken for Muslims, advocates say.
    Satwant Singh Kakeka, president of the temple, was one of those killed. Sources told Fox News he attempted to tackle the suspect as he sprayed gunfire inside the temple.
    A woman who says she was a neighbor of the suspect tells FoxNews.com that last week she heard yelling coming from the apartment she believes is the same one the FBI is now searching.
    The neighbor says, as she understood it, the suspect had lived in the apartment with his girlfriend until their recent break-up. The suspect had then moved into another apartment nearby two weeks ago. She says he had returned to the old apartment and was banging on the door of his old apartment, demanding to be let in. The neighbor also said she believed the suspect had a 9-11 tattoo.
    Another local resident Kurt Weins told the Journal Sentinel he rented out the upper flat of the duplex to a man in his 40s.
    "I had him checked out and he definitely checked out," Weins told the newspaper. "The cops told me they don't want me to say nothing right now."
    Click for more from the Journal Sentinel.
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    Fox News' Justin Fishel, Mike Levine, Jana Winter and the Associated Press contributed to this report.


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/06...#ixzz22nFAi4Rf
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    Sikh Temple Shooter Served in U.S. Army Psychological Operations Unit

    August 6th, 2012Page Served in U.S. Army Psychological Operations Unit
    Via: CBS News:
    CBS News reports that Page enlisted in the Army in April 1992 and was given a less-than-honorable discharge in October 1998. He was last stationed in Fort Bragg, N.C., serving in the psychological operations unit.

    Wade Michael Page
    Via: CBS:
    The suspect in a shooting that left six people dead at a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee on Sunday has been identified as Wade Michael Page.
    Authorities confirmed to CBS News on Monday that Page was the suspect in the shooting. He was killed outside the temple in a shootout with police officers after the rampage that left terrified congregants hiding in closets and others texting friends outside for help.
    Multiple sources tell CBS News that Page was a former member of the U.S. military, but he was no longer serving actively. It was not immediately clear under what circumstances Page left the military.
    Officials had previously described the suspect as a heavy-set, 40-year-old Caucasian with numerous tattoos.
    Sources tell CBS News some unspecified evidence suggests race or ethnicity may have played a role in the violence, but no links to extremist groups have been confirmed.
    Local police called the attack an act of domestic terrorism, but other sources tell CBS News correspondent Bon Orr it may be more accurate to refer to “an investigation into a possible hate crime.”
    Neither the local nor the federal sources provided further details or suggested a possible motive, including whether the suspect specifically targeted the Sikh temple.

    CBS News correspondent Ben Tracy reports Page is only believed to have lived at the residence for two weeks, according to neighbors.

    Suspect Lived on Holmes Avenue
    In other Holmes news: Colorado Movie Theater Massacre.
    Via: Journal Sentinel:
    Law enforcement personnel from various departments and agencies are on the scene at E. Holmes Ave. in Cudahy, where police were searching a house after Sunday’s mass shooting.

    UFO Documentary Film Director’s Father Killed at Sikh Temple
    [???] [[poster notes the presence of an embedded video at this point in the article]

    Via: New York Daily News:
    The president of the temple, Satwant Singh Kaleka, 65, was shot while trying to tackle the gunman, CNN reported. Kaleka, a married father of two adult sons, later died, his family told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
    Kaleka’s son, Amardeep, said he got a call from his father’s cell phone soon after the shooting broke out. It was a priest telling him his father had been shot.
    Posted in Assassination, Coincidence?, Covert Operations, False Flag Operations,Mind Control, Movies, UFOs | Top Of Page
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    Ed, Your post above has nothing to do with this thread. Perhaps a mistake, but you seem to fire off many similar posts, sometimes without noticing that others have posted the same or similar. It happens to all of us at times, but it seems to me you do it quite a lot. Sorry to bring it to your attention, but it has been on my mind and at times on my nerves. :pullhair: Yes, you also post good and related materials, but.....slow down and take a look around, please.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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