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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Lemkin View Post

    Wow, Mark, you are way out 'there'.....and at times Ed too. American Police are being militarized - the whole nation is....but to claim that Israel is only Zionists and that Israel and their friends in the USA and elsewhere are the ultimate evil and ultimate power in the World is more than a bit paranoid, IMO. Get a grip on reality. There are evildoers in many nations and some of them are working in concert. Many, in fact most, of them are NOT Zionists. You are over the top, as Magda has pointed out.
    Yeah right. Next you'll tell me Bin Laden planned 9/11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Stapleton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Lemkin View Post

    Wow, Mark, you are way out 'there'.....and at times Ed too. American Police are being militarized - the whole nation is....but to claim that Israel is only Zionists and that Israel and their friends in the USA and elsewhere are the ultimate evil and ultimate power in the World is more than a bit paranoid, IMO. Get a grip on reality. There are evildoers in many nations and some of them are working in concert. Many, in fact most, of them are NOT Zionists. You are over the top, as Magda has pointed out.
    Yeah right. Next you'll tell me Bin Laden planned 9/11.
    No. And while the Secret Government in the USA was behind it [with other subordinate partners: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, UK, Israel, and likely several others]; your focus/fixation on Israel as controlling the USA power structure is very odd. Yes, they have disproportionate influence, but it is, IMO, because of their geopolitical location/importance as the moored 'aircraft carrier' for the USA in the midst of all that OIL - and not the other way around. There seems also to be a touch of antisemitism in your remarks. PeaceNow in Israel has many adherents; granted they have little voice or viability - as the equivalent in the USA, UK, or OZ. Do I see some Israelis who were likely complicit in 911 - and/or had foreknowlege? Yes. Do I see 911 as an Israeli or Mossad-run operation? No! It was run out of the 'beltway' and American neo-fascist structure....and the cover-up lies there, as well. Were some Israeli companies and intelligence assets/agencies involved? Yes! Were they in control? No! Were some American neocons using Israeli cut-outs and companies to do dirty deeds for them? Yes. Did they [the American fascists] loose control? No! Were some Israeli-initiated intelligence actions against Americans and America sometimes run without universal American intelligence permission? Seems like some have been - mainly in cleverly gathering electronic communications. However, it seems to suit your world view to see Israel as omnipotent; but where is the evidence? I find it missing - or highly flawed, IMHO.
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    If there were any other equally powerful and corrupt groups in the world I'd like to see them. After all, the Israel conflict is the center of the current main conflict in the world in the War On Terror. I'd like for someone to point out what conflict exactly those other groups are engaged in of equal significance? Sure the Israel conflict is the embodiment of some deeper international power move created by greater sponsors, however I would like to see those sponsors try to defund Israel and its politics. What other main central conflict in the world are those other groups currently engaged in?

    Seeing the weight of this untouchable Zionist hegemony it makes one wonder the exact weight of Piper's thesis in 'Final Judgment'. I see DiEugenio, with his sharp razor, never did any piece on 'Final Judgment'. Was that because of "paranoia"? Or was it because Piper did a DiEugenio-like analysis of detailed facts that pan-out?

    No untouchables here folks. Sorry. Anyone else see a direct parallel between CIA's untouchability and Israel's? Both created within a year of each other. Sure Israel is a political station of America within the world's energy reserves, however they ain't fighting it too hard either. I don't see AIPAC proactively saying "Hey, don't degrade your democracy for us." When you ask were Finkelstein, Mearsheimer and Walt, and Carter anti-semites you don't get an answer.

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    It's clear that certain posters on this thread have smoked too much.
    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

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    I think we know what's clear...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Doyle View Post
    I think we know what's clear...
    I do.

    Do you?
    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

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    Interesting exchange above. Lemkin thinks we can absolve the left hand because the right hand was dominant. One could veer right into a deep discussion of how the human somatosensory process works, but we won't go there. Doyle points out the history that goes back to the time about when I was born some sixty-odd years ago but I submit that the actual historical weave goes far deeper and longer. Klimkowski can only imply the ingestion of mind-altering substances as if that is either cause or root of belief or action.

    Everyone wants to point out fault, or defend against implication of fault, but few are active or adept at dissecting the beast. Perhaps the monster has to be killed before any real post-mortem can be done. Meanwhile the world is immersed in layers of misinformation, disinformation, predictive programming, and countless efforts at black research into mind control, let alone the active black ops, let alone the history of nuclear and other weapons of mass distraction, mass distraction, neural net engineering and re-engineering, weather warfare, economic theft/fraud, and some gold old espionage.

    And a handful of people at an obscure discussion board developed to solve the mystery of Dealey Plaza who are still arguing about something that happened five decades ago think they know what is going down in present time.

    Who is smoking what?

    Who are leading purveyors of the rave drug known as Ecstasy? An entactogenic, says Wikipedia [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA ], that well-known encyclopedic known to be vulnerable to interference and for which editing instruction is widely available [ http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...zionist-groups ]. Google for "Israeli efforts in perception management".
    "Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Jewett View Post
    Klimkowski can only imply the ingestion of mind-altering substances as if that is either cause or root of belief or action.
    As usual Jewett, you missed the point.

    In your uniquely idiotic groking, you forget the DPF Amazon thread here and at Amazon here.

    In that racist Amazon thread, "smokestoomuch" wrote:

    Sometimes a person really needs to consider the source when evaluating criticism. You see, Charlie Drago(vitche)'s problem is not with the book. The problem is that Charlie is a JEW. Charlie's forum, Deep Politics Forum, is a JEW forum. Not knowing Deep Politics Forum was a JEW forum, I joined it. It took all of 2 hours for Charlie and his JEW buddies to forever ban me from their JEW forum. My crime? I simply asked a question which touched on the subject of this book. That's all it took. This book is essentially JEW high heresy. Drago(vitche), himself, called me an "agent provocateur", simply for suggesting some of the ideas in this book on his Deep Politics JEW Forum.

    So what is JEW heresy? Basically, it's anything that tarnishes the image of LBJ. Even to suggest that LBJ was a pseudo-JEW is enough to get a person forever banned from Drago(vitche)'s JEW forum. You see, Charlie and his RI JEW buds are just pitching in, as good JEWS will do, to keep the myth alive. The myth is that it is normal, sensible and customary to devote your life helping a people who have nothing to do with yourself. Given all the known deeds which LBJ had done for the sole benefit of JEWS, it would only make sense if LBJ secretly thought himself as JEWISH. There is much evidence to support this, all of which will get a goyim kicked off Charlie's JEW forum. No, what we are to believe is that it is normal and customary for goyim to greatly support JEWS and for no particular real-world incentive or reason.
    And what is it with JEWS like Charlie and name calling? Don't they have any confidence in their ability to argue a point? The childish and often vulgar name calling attacks really does seem to be a universal JEW trait. Aren't JEWS wonderful people?
    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

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    Charlie Drago is as Jewish as Charlie Parker.

    Ask Lenny Bruce to explain.

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    Klimkowski, if I missed "the point", it's because you hadn't made it.

    Your remark, then, was obviously made with a "wink" or "tongue-in-cheek" style to other readers or members with whom you share something.

    Your clarification by re-introducing the Amazon thread and re-presenting the remark by "smokestoomuch" implies that someone in this thread is also the same person as "smokestoomuch". I can only say that, as in the famous Buddhist story of the fellow who carried someone across the river, you are still carrying "the Amazon thread" as your lodestone.

    I keep my own counsel, draw my own conclusions, and occasionally set them forth. At Amazon, I use my real name, and my own reviews there (easily found) have drawn a far higher ranking than those of Charles Drago. I have previously noted the fact that I care little about whether Charles Drago is Italian, Italian-American, Slavic-American, Catholic, Jewish, Presbyterian, pretending to be someone (or not), or unclear about his own personal, spiritual or political philosophy or identity. I don't imply that Charles Drago is any of those. The issue is not Charles Drago, or what someone else thinks of him or calls him. As in that Buddhist tale, I have left Charles Drago and the "Amazon thread on the side of the river and moved on.

    I also have read about Prigogine and know that you can't step in the same river twice.

    The issue is about the politics (the deep, historical politics) of what is going down right now in the United States of America, where I live, where I am a citizen, and where I have been well-read for decades.
    "Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"

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