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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenneth Kapel View Post
    IMO the Miranda exception is a pile of manure. What can't be called a public safety issue ?
    NPR's wonderful "explanation" was that a terrorist who knows information about other terror coming events might be tempted to not spill the beans if he found out that he actually had rights. What a crock. But NPR reported with a straight face -- on the radio.
    "We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

    "We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl

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    Is NPR turning into National Police State Radio ? Never ! Not in the good old US of A.

  3. Default The Progressive: Five Questions in Wake of Boston Bombings

    1. Why didn’t the FBI keep better tabs on the older brother?
    It was reported on Friday on CNN that a foreign government, later identified as Russia, notified the FBI two years ago that the older brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was a terrorist risk and that the FBI actually visited him but found nothing “derogatory” and apparently dropped the matter.
    2. Why is law enforcement wasting time spying on peace and Occupy activists?
    Ever since 9/11, law enforcement has wasted an inordinate amount of time and money and human resources keeping track of peace activists and, more recently, activists from the Occupy Wall Street movement. This is a colossal waste of time and a distraction from the real threats.
    3. What kind of “justice” is Dzhokhar Tsarnaev going to get?
    President Obama early in the week said the culprits would feel “the full weight of justice.” Then Friday night, he talked about the greatness of America, and included in that litany our “court system” and recited that we have “justice for all” in this country. But does that include Dzhokhar Tsarnaev? Is Tsarnaev going to get full access to that court system and to the due process protections that U.S. citizens are supposed to be guaranteed? Already, we are being told that he hasn’t been issued his Miranda warning. And Republican Senators are urging Obama to hold him as an “enemy combatant.”
    4. What’s a rational plan in dealing with future such attacks?
    It’s possible that there will be similar bombings in the future. It’s inevitable that there will be mass murderers on the loose in major metropolitan cities. Are those cities going to automatically be put on lockdown from here on out? We need to think of ways to deal with such situations so as to minimize the terror and to preserve our freedoms.
    5. Did the Tsarnaev brothers give the FBI and law enforcement a way to test out plans for martial law?
    Now, don’t get me wrong: I’m not one of those rightwing nuts who thinks the Boston Marathon bombings were some kind of “inside job” conspiracy. And I’m not one of those rightwing nuts who thinks Obama is about to declare martial law.
    But I am worried that the Bush and Obama administrations have set up the framework so that a future President who didn’t believe in our democratic system of government could use it to try to impose something awful here.
    Ever since 9/11, members of the Executive Branch have been speculating about, and planning for, martial law in the event that the United States is attacked again by terrorists using weapons of mass destruction.
    The Bush Administration considered suspending even the First Amendment.
    And Bush issued a presidential directive that puts the President in charge of all branches of government in times of a national emergency, which the President declares.
    The FBI has been working with the business community through a group called InfraGard to prepare for such a national emergency.
    And journalist Tim Shorrock recently wrote an article in The Nation in which he quoted NSA whistleblower William Binney as saying that United States has all the apparatus of a police state set in place. “We’re just waiting to turn the key,” he said.
    It is logical to assume that the national security apparatus and law enforcement are preparing for a martial law situation in case we are attacked with weapons of mass destruction. It is logical to assume that this preparation starts at the very top with the FBI and Homeland Security and NorthCom and the NSA and then funnels on down to the state and local police through the Joint Terrorism Task Forces and Fusion Centers.
    And if that’s the case, the Tsarnaev brothers just gave the security apparatus and law enforcement a way in real time to test out some of their plans.

    http://progressive.org/5-questions-w...oston-bombings
    "We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

    "We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl

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    By my way of thinking will Martial Law come sooner or later ? I believe a few more attacks, or "intercepted attacks" will need to occur before full blown martial law will be decarled ? But is weeks, months, or years away. I thing that I'm sure of is that faux liberals such as Chris Matthews will be a leading cheerleader in this matter will "be proud" to support our "courageous leader" as our civil rights vanish. Just last Monday, good old Chris, was calling Lee Harvey Oswald "a disillusioned communist."

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    Thoughtful speculation from the Xymphora blog: -

    DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL?

    http://xymphora.blogspot.com.au/2013...se-at-all.html

    From USA Today:

    "The brothers' acts continue to befuddle authorities, family and friends. Students at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth, where Dzhokar was a student, say they saw him on campus following Monday's bombings.

    During the overnight and early-morning pursuit of the brothers, a federal official familiar with the case said authorities recovered a handful of improvised explosive devices (IEDs), including one in the possession of Tamerlan Tsarnaev. All of the devices appeared to be homemade explosives, including pipe bombs. Several were detonated by police Friday afternoon. "
    and:
    "The brothers carjacked a Mercedes SUV between 12:15 and 12:30 a.m, holding the driver at gunpoint for a half hour before he was shoved from the car unharmed. A federal law enforcement official, who was not authorized to comment publicly, said the men allegedly told the driver that they were the Marathon bombers.

    The official said the suspects' allegedly acknowledged their roles in the Marathon bombings to both intimidate the driver and brag about the bombings."

    So you walk around the future crime scene with no attempt to disguise yourselves (with one brother appearing in public after the bombing). You've created an arsenal of homemade bombs in order to defend yourselves from the police afterward. But you have made no effort to secure a vehicle in which to escape - thus necessitating stealing a car after the bombing with simply bizarre bragging - and you have made no effort to have cash on hand in order to be able to flee, necessitating a very risky robbery of a 7-11. Does this make any sense at all?

    "FBI interviewed Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, for possible extremist ties two years ago but found no incriminating information" "So The FBI Investigated "The Marathon Bomber" ..." "Obama thanks Putin for help in Boston" That is when the older brother was recruited as a possible asset by the FBI, and Barry had to thank Putin for not letting the cat out of the bag before the FBI had a chance to spin the story.

    Or possibly recruited even earlier: "Some of the suspects’ associates will come under panopticon scrutiny. Some won’t. Keep your eye on them."

    "‘This is nothing we would ever expect,’ friends say of Boston suspects" Despite all the spinning, there is not one shred of evidence of 'radicalization' of either brother.

    ""Contractors" at Boston Marathon Stood Near Bomb, Left Before Detonation" Lucky that they moved from right beside the blast site to out of range before the bomb went off!

    American authorities are lucky Americans are so stupid and blinded by Islamophobia, as the Official Story doesn't even begin to hang together properly.

    ...........

    And a follow up comment posted by 'Calm CalmCalm':

    'I was wondering how these two guys paid for their education at such prestigious universities and lived on campus as well?

    Their parents don't appear to be wealthy?

    Unless it can be shown that they have huge student debts, then I am pursuaded that they were recruited as informants after being interviewed by the FBI in 2011.

    The FBI threatens to send immigrants back to their country of origin if they refuse to cooperate.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenneth Kapel View Post
    By my way of thinking will Martial Law come sooner or later ? I believe a few more attacks, or "intercepted attacks" will need to occur before full blown martial law will be decarled ? But is weeks, months, or years away. I thing that I'm sure of is that faux liberals such as Chris Matthews will be a leading cheerleader in this matter will "be proud" to support our "courageous leader" as our civil rights vanish. Just last Monday, good old Chris, was calling Lee Harvey Oswald "a disillusioned communist."
    Just think about what we saw: a massive show of police and FBI force, military like precision running rough shod over the Bill of Rights, but only when necessary, huge weapons, big, black helicopters. All with the best possible outcome considering the circumstances. And Bostonians were out in the streets celebrating, draped in conveniently available flags.
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    (from Scott Creighton)



    In the video, note how the happy throng is rushing to get into position.
    "We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

    "We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl

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    Watching this "celebration" live I didn't, and still don't know what to make of it. But is seemed to be not spontaneous to me and I looked at it with embarrassment and a little shame. Maybe its just me.

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    Were the Tsarnaev Brothers Set Up by an FBI Confidential Informant? Looks that way
    Posted on April 20, 2013 by willyloman

    by Scott Creighton

    UPDATE: Tony Cartalucci, BLN Contributing Writer, came to the same conclusion

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    Why would the FBI need to enlist our help to identify someone they fully investigated less than 2 years ago?

    If you take the statements made by the family members of the Tsarnaev brothers separately you come to the understanding that something is horribly wrong with the official story of what happened at the Boston marathon bombing. You just can’t put your finger on it.

    “He was controlled by the FBI, like for three, five years,”

    But if you take the time to consider all of their statements together as a whole alongside the FBI’s own acknowledgement of their investigation into the older brother and then recall what we know about the Craft International assets on site under the cover of being there in an official capacity, what you come to conclude is that it looks like the FBI used a confidential informant (CI) to lure the brothers to the finish line of the Boston marathon so they could be set up as the patsies for this false flag event.

    “There certainly were mentors,’’

    They couldn’t make them complicit in the bombing so they just to put them in the wrong place at the right time so they could be framed for this attack. I don’t think it couldn’t be any clearer.

    Sections:
    Using CIs to manipulate”terrorism” patsies is Standard Operating Procedure for the FBI
    The FBI admits the Tsarnaev brothers were investigated 2 years before asking for help identifying them!
    A mother’s love
    A father’s anger
    Mystery “Mentors” manipulated Tamerlan
    Conclusion


    1. Using CIs to manipulate”terrorism” patsies is Standard Operating Procedure for the FBI

    The first thing to remember is that this is the task of the FBI these days. They use CIs, people with criminal charges hanging over their heads, to lure unsuspecting, often half-witted dupes into entrapment plots that the FBI can then foil and claim they saved us from a terrorist attack they themselves made. There are multiple examples of even the main stream media exposing this fact on both sides of the artificial ideological divide in the press. Greenwald and many others (like the New York Times) have written about this standard operating procedure of the FBI much better than I have and to more critical acclaim. But perhaps the most well known example of this being exposed even by the main stream is the Judge Napolitano segment on Fox News.


    The constitutionality of this practice is not up for debate any longer. What they are doing as an institution is immoral and unethical. They essentially hire the dregs of society with your tax dollars to go out and effectively find dupes they can manufacture and terrorist plot around. These men effectively become contractors for the Justice Department and have a proven history of criminal behavior of the worst kinds. They are threatened with the prosecution of whatever crimes they have committed and told to produce said plots for cash and freedom, or face the justice system for what they have done. On all accounts, from every angle, it is one of the most despicable misuses of federal authority one can imagine in a free society.

    The fact that it happens routinely in their ongoing domestic “war on terror” is not up for debate. It is not a controversial “conspiracy theory”. It is well documented fact. They manipulate targets through the use of CIs.

    2. The FBI admits the Tsarnaev brothers were investigated 2 years before asking for help identifying them!

    They do not always enlist the CIs to go out and find random dupes to be lured into a plot. Sometimes they send them after specific targets.

    In the case of the Tsarnaev brothers we know they were on the radar of the FBI for nearly two years. We know this not because the FBI came forward and offered up that information on Thursday when they released their pictures and asked us to help them identify them, but because their mother went on RT on April the 19th and told the world that they had been investigated by the FBI years ago. Immediately following that interview, the FBI put up a statement confirming that fact, almost as if they expected it might happen.

    “In response to this 2011 request, the FBI checked U.S. government databases and other information to look for such things as derogatory telephone communications, possible use of online sites associated with the promotion of radical activity, associations with other persons of interest, travel history and plans, and education history. The FBI also interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev and family members. The FBI did not find any terrorism activity, domestic or foreign, and those results were provided to the foreign government in the summer of 2011. The FBI requested but did not receive more specific or additional information from the foreign government” FBI official statement

    Let that sink in for a few moments.

    Why would the FBI need us to identify these suspects for them on Thursday of this past week when in fact they had spent considerable time investigating them less than two years ago?

    They claim tips came in and that is what identified them, but I did not see anyone from 4Chan or Reddit discover that bit of information.

    Also, all the work being done on the internet prior to the FBI’s official request on Thursday did not turn up those two guys as suspects. There were many others who were closer and more suspicious looking, but those two guys were first brought to light by the FBI, out of nowhere, as if they had some insight prior to the request for information.

    But that is speculative. What we know is this: on Thursday the FBI asked us for help identifying someone they have already spent considerable time investigating. We were promised videos of them planting bombs which never materialized. And it seems the FBI suddenly knew who they were despite the fact that the online search was going nowhere.

    Was the FBI deliberately covering up their previous involvement with these two young men? It seems that way. It seems obvious that is what they were doing.

    Why?

    3. A mother’s love

    On April 19th just prior to the FBI releasing their official statement, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, the mother of the two suspects, went live on RT and told the world that the FBI had investigated her sons and found nothing. But she also stated that the investigation CONTINUED and that the agent actually made contact with her several times, once even saying her boys were being “radicalized” to which she flatly denied that accusation.

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    “He was controlled by the FBI, like for three, five years,” she told Russia Today during an interview. “They knew what my son was doing, they knew what actions and what sites on the Internet he was going [to], they used to come…and talk to me…they were telling me that he was really a serious leader and they were afraid of him.”

    “How could this happen?…They were controlling every step of him, and they are telling today that this is a terrorist attack,” she added. Nimmo

    Her revelation forced the FBI to post their press release about their extended contact with the boys and it opened up a rather stunning debate, all for the wrong reasons. People were writing that the FBI should have been MORE invasive and thus they could have stopped all of this but what they didn’t acknowledge is the simple fact that the contact may very well have been ongoing… all the way up to the bombing.

    4. A father’s anger

    That same day the father was interviewed and he said flat out that his sons had been set up by the “secret services” meaning the CIA or the FBI or NSA.

    (By the way, it is just those agencies, the CIA the FBI and the NSA who are making up the “special interrogation team” that will be interrogating Dzhokhar Tsarnaev now that they have denied him his miranda rights.)

    ‘‘In my opinion, my children were set up by the secret services because they are practising Muslims,’’ Anzor Tsarnaev told the Interfax news agency on Friday from the North Caucasus Russian city of Makhachkala.” SMH

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    5. Mystery “Mentors” manipulated Tamerlan

    “I strongly believe they were just puppets and executors of something of bigger scale,” Ruslan Tsarni

    The uncle who said earlier that these boys did not deserve to live and called them “losers” may have inadvertently provided us with the strongest eye witness evidence to date that the Tsarnaev brothers were under the influence of “mentors” who brought them to that location at that time as part of a bigger plan. Something on a “bigger scale”.

    The uncle can hardly be considered a family member making things up to help the brothers out of this jam. He has been nothing but hostile toward them since it all began. But what he says in this interview, though he may THINK he is helping the official story, when you take all the rest of it into consideration, it completely exposes something entirely different.

    The uncle of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects told TODAY Saturday that he believes Dzhokar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev were pawns in a deadly scheme.

    “I strongly believe they were just puppets and executors of something of bigger scale,” Ruslan Tsarni told Savannah Guthrie.

    He said Dzhokar, the younger of the brothers, was “used by his older brother. He’s just another victim of his older brother. He victimized others, but he’s been used by his older brother.”

    Tsarni, a Maryland resident who is the brother of the suspects’ father, believes Tamerlan, 26, who died in a confrontation with police early Friday morning, was radicalized by others. He noted that the suspects were in his house as children, and recalled a surprising transformation the last time he saw Tamerlan in 2009.

    “There certainly were mentors,’’ Tsarni said. “I was shocked when I heard his words, his phrases, when every other word he starts sticking in words of God. I question what he’s doing for work, (and) he claimed he would just put everything in the will of God. It was a big concern to me. He called me ‘confused’ when I started explaining to him, make yourself useful to yourself and to your family and maybe you’ll have extra to share with everybody else.

    “It wasn’t devotion, it was something, as it’s called, being radicalized. Not understanding what he is talking (about). He is just using words for the sake of the words and not understanding the meaning of it.’’

    The suspects’ parents told NBC News they believe their sons were framed. Tsarni said a family acquaintance told him there was an outside influence on Tamerlan.

    “He said there is someone who brainwashed him, some new convert to Islam,’’ Tsarni said. “I would like to stress (the acquaintance was) of Armenian descent.’’ Scott Stump, TODAY

    Who were these outside influences? Were they FBI CIs assigned to work Tamerlan as a potential asset to be flipped into some future entrapment plot?

    The FBI had made contact, investigated them and continued contact thereafter. And the time frame fits with what the uncle was saying.

    6. Conclusion

    Could the FBI have green-lighted the Tsarnaev brothers as potential dupes just like they have to so many other young men in the recent past and then had their CI set them up to take the fall for this staged mass casualty event?

    All it would have taken would be for the CI to call up Tamerlan and invite him and his brother to a late lunch downtown. Told them to meet him near the finish line at a certain time. That’s it. And there they are.

    When you look at what he is saying, about knowing someone was influencing the young man, and you look at what the FBI did during the investigation and their history of setting people up as fall guys for their own plots and plans, you have to come away with at least a strong suspicion that these two men were handled by an FBI CI and brought to their destiny with destruction to serve a certain role in all of this.
    Boston Bombing: Craft International Trained Men at Bombing Location Before Attack

    Craft International operatives were in position waiting but what they needed was a patsy much like the ones the FBI is so good at creating. And after all, it’s the FBI who will be investigating anyway.

    So when the spotters on the roofs confirmed the Tsarnaev brothers had arrived, the operation was set in motion.

    The FBI distanced themselves from the two at the start by pretending to need us to identify the boys and as soon as the mother mentioned they had known them, they had a press release ready to go as if they just remembered. This behavior in itself is more than incriminating.

    And now that we have confirmation from the belligerent uncle that mysterious “mentors” were guiding and using the boys, I don’t think we can come to any other conclusion than the FBI sent those boys there to take the blame.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    The only thing amazing about the above video [which is VERY GOOD!] is that it is from Fox News!
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    At the website JFKHistoryForum, a poster who bills himself/herself(?) "Defiant" says that the bombing was NOT a conspiracy, but those who write/post that it may have been are "the real conspirators." How low in human intelligence can one go ?
    Last edited by Kenneth Kapel; 04-21-2013 at 06:17 AM.

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