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    Tom:

    I stand by what I said.

    I thought the first part of your post was interesting, about Lemman etc Steve and Monte.

    I have no idea what you were talking about later on. I don't buy Carpenter's book, and I have explained why here. I talked to Wallace Milam about Carpenter. So I know what he was up to.

    Its pretty clear who directed Nicolas isn't it? I mean Monroe and Lemman was the official CIA clandestine payment center for New Orleans, and they paid for the defense of some of Garrison's suspects and they supplied Sheridan with money to bribe others and to pay for the production of what was once a two part special. I mean you have read the Fred Leemans affidavit in my book? (Destiny Betrayed 2013, pgs. 240-41)

    Unlike Carpenter, I don't believe for five seconds that Garrison did not have the right people in New Orleans: Banister, Shaw and Ferrie. And since David Phillips was:

    1. Likely in Banister's office to promote a city wide telethon with Butler and Novel

    2. In charge of the CIA's anti FPCC campaign, and likely gave Banister the flyers Oswald handed out--since they were out of print for two years but the CIA ordered them in 1961

    3. Was seen at a training camp in the New Orleans area with Banister and Oswald

    Then not only did he have the right people in New Orleans (and I did not even mention Sergio Arcacha Smith who reportedly had diagrams of the sewer system beneath Dealey Plaza in his apartment in Dallas), JG was one step away from the next level of the plot.

    I discuss all of these evidentiary points in my book. Which, if you ever read, you forgot about once you read Carpenter's abject apologia. Which I stopped reading once I saw what he did with Shaw in the military vs. the revelations of the Bacque book.

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    See, I'm not some disinformation agent who's trying to disrupt the community, when Jim said;

    Tom: I have no idea what you were talking about

    I agree!

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    All kidding aside, Jim, if Phillips was likely in Banister's office, and he was in-charge of the FPCC anti-campaign I can assure you McCord was also aware of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DiEugenio View Post
    Tom:

    I stand by what I said.

    I thought the first part of your post was interesting, about Lemman etc Steve and Monte.

    I have no idea what you were talking about later on. I don't buy Carpenter's book, and I have explained why here. I talked to Wallace Milam about Carpenter. So I know what he was up to.

    Its pretty clear who directed Nicolas isn't it? I mean Monroe and Lemman was the official CIA clandestine payment center for New Orleans, and they paid for the defense of some of Garrison's suspects and they supplied Sheridan with money to bribe others and to pay for the production of what was once a two part special. I mean you have read the Fred Leemans affidavit in my book? (Destiny Betrayed 2013, pgs. 240-41)

    Unlike Carpenter, I don't believe for five seconds that Garrison did not have the right people in New Orleans: Banister, Shaw and Ferrie. And since David Phillips was:

    1. Likely in Banister's office to promote a city wide telethon with Butler and Novel

    2. In charge of the CIA's anti FPCC campaign, and likely gave Banister the flyers Oswald handed out--since they were out of print for two years but the CIA ordered them in 1961

    3. Was seen at a training camp in the New Orleans area with Banister and Oswald

    Then not only did he have the right people in New Orleans (and I did not even mention Sergio Arcacha Smith who reportedly had diagrams of the sewer system beneath Dealey Plaza in his apartment in Dallas), JG was one step away from the next level of the plot.

    I discuss all of these evidentiary points in my book. Which, if you ever read, you forgot about once you read Carpenter's abject apologia. Which I stopped reading once I saw what he did with Shaw in the military vs. the revelations of the Bacque book.
    Then not only did he have the right people in New Orleans (and I did not even mention Sergio Arcacha Smith who reportedly had diagrams of the sewer system beneath Dealey Plaza in his apartment in Dallas), JG was one step away from the next level of the plot.
    YES!!! For some reason this post almost feels like I'm having an org-a-sum.

    There is three Sergio's I came across, the first was from CORU, and my father was a close associate of Frank Castro, the second Sergio I came across is Tosh Plumlee's friend, and Tosh says he knew my father, lastly is this Sergio who you mention, now, there is a Sergio mentioned in my father's address book, I really never did a background check through the Library other then a FOIA search, after reading this post I believe it would be advantageous for me to contact the Miami Dade Public Library again, thanks for posting this Jim.

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    I find this very interesting, at the same time Kaiser was in Miami, so was Smith, Sergio who was leader of CRC until the Miami Headquarter relived him, then Frank Bartes takes over, Frank is also in a 40pic photo seen sitting around the table with Frank Sturgis, Barry Seal, Novo, Gonzalez and others. Bartes knew Oswald. Felix was very pissed at me for sending him this photo.

    https://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/j...C_5_CRC_NO.pdf


    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...JFKseal4-2.jpg


    1.Felix Rodgurez
    2.Frank Bender aka Jerry Doller
    3.Barry Seal
    4.Ignacio Guillermo Novo
    5.Eduardo Arocena
    6.Manuel Ray
    7.Frank Bartes
    8.Ramon Barquin
    9.Frank Sturgis
    10.Virgilio Gonzalez

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Kaiser View Post

    I was aware of this relationship, but not this document.

    Sergio A Smith and Shaw were friends and associates. I think this Hernandez guy was Smith's lawyer, and Shaw knew him also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DiEugenio View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Kaiser View Post

    I was aware of this relationship, but not this document.

    Sergio A Smith and Shaw were friends and associates. I think this Hernandez guy was Smith's lawyer, and Shaw knew him also.

    What I believe doesn't matter, so I will say, when Frank Sturgis' attorney promised Mark Lane the release of Frank's test, he said he had "sold" it, but he didn't mention to who. Mark was upset that Frank's attorney Henry Rothblatt sold Frank's test to under mind the investigation and not expose the results as [promised] to Mark.

    Now, although this test is exposed, it really doesn't mean a thing, the test itself can be manipulated, coerced into saying whatever he wants on [paper], and in the end we are not shown the finial results of the actual test, so, we really don't know without having a second opinion by an expert to look at the final results. Truthfully, without posting those results, and only posting the questions and answers along with the conclusion means absolutely nothing. You are right, Hernandez was Smith's lawyer and they all knew each other.

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    Nor are we provided with a tape audio or video recording of the actual test, so, what's on paper doesn't always mean it true, the "burden of proof" is with them, and I would question these results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DiEugenio View Post
    Tom:

    I stand by what I said.

    I thought the first part of your post was interesting, about Lemman etc Steve and Monte.

    I have no idea what you were talking about later on. I don't buy Carpenter's book, and I have explained why here. I talked to Wallace Milam about Carpenter. So I know what he was up to.

    Its pretty clear who directed Nicolas isn't it? I mean Monroe and Lemman was the official CIA clandestine payment center for New Orleans, and they paid for the defense of some of Garrison's suspects and they supplied Sheridan with money to bribe others and to pay for the production of what was once a two part special. I mean you have read the Fred Leemans affidavit in my book? (Destiny Betrayed 2013, pgs. 240-41)

    Unlike Carpenter, I don't believe for five seconds that Garrison did not have the right people in New Orleans: Banister, Shaw and Ferrie. And since David Phillips was:

    1. Likely in Banister's office to promote a city wide telethon with Butler and Novel

    2. In charge of the CIA's anti FPCC campaign, and likely gave Banister the flyers Oswald handed out--since they were out of print for two years but the CIA ordered them in 1961

    3. Was seen at a training camp in the New Orleans area with Banister and Oswald

    Then not only did he have the right people in New Orleans (and I did not even mention Sergio Arcacha Smith who reportedly had diagrams of the sewer system beneath Dealey Plaza in his apartment in Dallas), JG was one step away from the next level of the plot.

    I discuss all of these evidentiary points in my book. Which, if you ever read, you forgot about once you read Carpenter's abject apologia. Which I stopped reading once I saw what he did with Shaw in the military vs. the revelations of the Bacque book.
    Jim, you're the expert, pardon me.....
    Say what you will about Carpenter.... but he missed none of this,
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-k...nCarpenter.jpg
    ...or this,
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6...rCarpenter.jpg

    I found every detail in the two images in the two preceding links, independently, and then I found Carpenter's research. He added one
    more detail, that David Baldwin (and his brother, Atty Edward Baldwin) was not only Lee Garrison's first cousin, but also her godfather, and that Baldwin had informed Shaw of these details in a letter to Shaw dated one day after Shaw's arrest.




    SS Chief Rowley spelled the name wrong… McChann, and has the subject’s age wrong (too young) by at least five years…..reported as age 26 in 1964:
    http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?...eId=2&tab=page
    Commission Document 945 - SS Rowley Letter of 5 May 1964 re: Walter J. McChann, pg 2
    Found in: Warren Commission Documents
    ....but that he always felt that Colonel Castor was "playing the role of an intelligence officer" in his contacts with the Cubans; that he seems to be more interested....

    http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?...h=intelligence
    Orleans Parish Grand Jury Testimony of Harold Weisberg, 28 Apr 1967, pg 57
    Found in: Orleans Parish Grand Jury Transcripts
    the Secret Service Col. Castor's actions are consistent with that of an Intelligence Agent. These things I knew but who Col. Castor was I didn't know until....

    http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/rich_n.htm
    TESTIMONY OF NANCY PERRIN RICH

    http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?...rg_and%20nancy
    Orleans Parish Grand Jury Testimony of Harold Weisberg, 28 Apr 1967, pg 56
    Found in: Orleans Parish Grand Jury Transcripts
    all part of the Odio story. Q. Does he say at all that the Col. described Nancy (inaudible) A. I don't think so but this is one of the things I want to find....


    Date: Thursday, April 23, 1964 Paper: Times-Picayune



    Two years after the announcement in the image directly above by Stephen B Lemann, Weisberg testimony to NOLA Grand Jury.:
    http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?...51&search=find


    Dallas Catholic Group Aids Cuban Refugees
    Date: Saturday, March 31, 1962 Paper: Dallas Morning News


    I am extremely disappointed in your defensive reaction, Jim. I'm one of your paid readers. I purchased your book. I'm sharing what I find, with you.
    You've had a choice. Instead of a discussion, you lecture me and lash out at Carpenter. "Haven't you read my book?" is not an adequate response to what I've presented to you, especially considering;
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Scully View Post
    .......
    https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Un...ranscript.html
    Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen

    Joan Mellen is the author of A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK's Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History. This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006.
    .......
    Rex: Joan..... One, there's a story in the Grand Jury testimony told by three different parties involving Sheridan when he came out to do his NBC White Paper, having a meeting set up with an organized crime figure named Zachary Strate that was apparently set up by either Malcolm O'Hara, a judge who was a political enemy of Garrison's, and a lawyer named Edward Baldwin. I wonder if you might tell that story about what that meeting was all about?...

    ......

    JOAN: - when Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people. Malcolm O'Hara is sitting there - he doesn't know what hit him - and eventually Strate did not cooperate, and he went up there, and he attacked Sheridan - of course, Sheridan had immunity - nothing anyone could say about Sheridan whether in court, affidavits signed against Sheridan, Sheridan had immunity as a National Security Agency asset, cleared for FBI work, cleared for CIA work, working for the Department of Justice -......
    .......
    Stephen B. Lemann's nephew Nicholas "hit" Garrison in 1974 in the Harvard Crimson, and again in late 1991 in GQ Magazine. Perry Russo gave a stronger and more convincing response to any Lemann than Garrison ever did. : http://www.leagle.com/decision/19921...20PUBLICATIONS

    Here is the only direct response from Garrison, that I can identify.:

    http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/co...comment-858943
    ..........
    2of2 Garrison 06/67 letter to FCC comm. Rosel H. Hyde
    (Top of right side column)
    …of the station (WDSU) itself, but by an attorney closely connected with the station who has previously been known to disperse funds in the New Orleans area in behalf of the Central Intelligence Agency….


    In this area, Donald H Carpenter has done more comprehensive research than I have been able to do. On my own, I am impressed that both Garrison and Shaw could take a punch..... The ability of either to throw punches is another matter entirely. I have to leave open the possibility that Garrison and Shaw served the same master(s). It is a reasonable reaction to what I've learned, despite how absurd it may seem to readers heavily invested in a fixed conclusion. Was Oliver Stone "fleeced" by Garrison, or did Garrison present everything to Sklar and Shaw that I have been sharing with you?

    Judging by Sklar's response to Nicholas B. Lemann, I think not.:
    (It seems Sklar took the gloves off for this response to Lemann's GQ article, or indicates Sklar was not witting to the depth of
    Nicholas B Lemann's knowledge, but Garrison certainly was.)
    https://archive.org/stream/nsia-Ston...00930_djvu.txt
    Letters to GQ - For the Defense
    Editor’s note:. Nicholas Lemann’s essay “The
    Case Against Jim Garrison” [January] in-
    spired more letters than any article we have
    published in recent years, almost all of them
    critical of Lemann’s argument. The most com-
    prehensive of these letters is the following, from
    journalist and screenwriter Zachary Sklar.................
    (See Letters to GQ, http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/S%20Disk/Stone%20Oliver%20JFK%20Movie/Gentleman's%20Quarterly/Item%2002.pdf
    An excerpt from the introduction to Lemann’s lengthy response.:
    …Printing both sides of the story has never been a
    fundamental rule of magazine journalism.
    Magazines are supposed to be feisty and opin-
    ionated. So it’s with a sense of futility that I
    rebut Sklar’s points…
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    Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.

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