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    rush out forever.....
    Jan, was that a 'fare-thee-well'?!
    I hope not, but if so, a very sad event in an unsettling week......
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Spinal Tap or Pink Floyd?

    On a good day, a bit of both.

    A lead role in a cage?

    Fuck that.

    So it goes.....

    So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell, blue skies from pain.
    Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail?
    A smile from a veil?
    Do you think you can tell?

    Did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts?
    Hot ashes for trees?
    Hot air for a cool breeze?
    Cold comfort for change?
    Did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage?

    How I wish, how I wish you were here.
    We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year,
    Running over the same old ground.
    What have we found?
    The same old fears.
    Wish you were here.
    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

  3. #33


    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Klimkowski View Post
    Firstly, comments have been made about the reasons for my absence. Those comments were not authorised by me.

    I speak for myself.

    Noone else speaks for me.

    Secondly, I have just read the past few days' posts and surveyed the state of DPF.

    In my heart, and in my soul, I feel dismay and sadness.

    Thirdly, I read this.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Guyatt View Post
    Speaking legally, Magda remains the sole owner of this forum by virtue of the aforesaid transference, and this was demonstrated when Myra tried to capture and take control of the forum - but was seen off after the proper parties had been approached. Each of the founders have also, at different times, donated money to help defray the running costs of the forum.

    Also, speaking legally, Magda as the sole owner, may do with the forum as she pleases, including closing it, rolling it up in a native American pipe and smoking it, or seeing it grow and flourish. She is the owner. Absolutely. And I support her absolutely. She is a safe pair of hands.

    As for the rest of we founding members, we are just that. Founding members. We have no legal title whatsoever. No rights. Nor for that matter, do any members, who are either welcomed here or not - as each case permits.
    Which I categorise as a gross misrepresentation of our founding principles.

    I have the greatest respect for my fellow founders, with all our faults and idiosyncracies. All our sins.

    However, our agreement was that the founders must vote on all significant decisions, with the majority having sway.

    At no stage did we vest power in one founder only.

    We did not agree to a structure of dictatorship.

    One of the great privileges of my life is to know Magda Hassan. She has fought, fought, fascism and dictatorship all her life.

    Magda continues to fight oppression and evil and bullying.

    If I were to submit to a dictatorship, Magda would be my favourite dictator.

    But I will never submit to such, and I want no part of a DPF that has even a whiff of a dictatorial structure.

    While, like a ghastly rapid river,
    Through the pale door
    A hideous throng rush out forever
    And laugh — but smile no more.

    I haven't had a chance to check here for several days. There has been a lot of other things I have had to attend to. And in my absence I see I have been promoted to dictator! Well, that's interesting... Shall I invade Poland? Nah. No borders in my heart. And while it is very sweet of David to wish to offer me absolute power, and I know where he is coming from in saying what he is saying, and that is a very honourable place he is coming from, I do not actually wish, desire or seek to be dictator of this place. It is certainly not mine alone. Never will be. Smash patriarchy and smash dictatorship! Fuck yeah!

    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

  4. #34


    Of course you'd never be a dictator Magda. We know that and take it as an article of faith.

    Nor would I.

    Perish the thought.

    There were sound reasons for making that post.

    David Guyatt does not speak with a forked tongue.

    Not ever.

    David Guyatt doesn't make a grab for power.

    Not ever.

    Why would he? He had it all in his own hands at the very beginning of this forum and gave it away freely.

    People misunderstand. That's what people do.

    Others must judge why.
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
    Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14

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    This is very sad indeed.

    A victory only for those who would seek to divide and conquer our community.

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