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    I will spend some time gathering my threads and posts as I can....

    I would welcome the opportunity to do a series (AT CTKA) based on the spreadsheet I compiled detailing the H&L evidence chronologically and side-by-side.

    I did not include all the linked sources or references but I would be glad to expand upon this work....

    My current goal therefore would be to transfer this info into a Powerpoint-like presentation so I can add the photos/photo work I've done to support the data.

    I will also find a way to make the spreadsheet available to the members for easy download... any suggestions about a preferred storage/sharing website would be appreciated...

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    Last edited by Lauren Johnson; 03-03-2014 at 12:42 AM.
    Once in a while you get shown the light
    in the strangest of places if you look at it right.....
    R. Hunter

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    John Armstrong's analysis of the CIA's "Oswald Project," including sworn testimony by a CIA accountant that Oswald was paid by the CIA, is available online here:

    http://harveyandlee.net

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    David: I love the work you have done on Harvey and Lee. Making this important work more accessible to people is a huge undertaking. One I so valued when you sent me the spread sheet yesterday.
    Understanding that there were two distinct LHOs in this case is, to me, as important as the understanding of just why JFK was assassinated and how it connects to the fascism of today.

    Dawm

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    OK, Dawn, this caught my eye:

    Understanding that there were two distinct LHOs in this case is, to me, as important as the understanding of just why JFK was assassinated and how it connects to the fascism of today.
    Not arguing. My thinking is that most current JFK research doesn't change anything -- not really. How do you see the H&L theory as a game changer?
    "We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

    "We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Johnson View Post
    OK, Dawn, this caught my eye:

    Understanding that there were two distinct LHOs in this case is, to me, as important as the understanding of just why JFK was assassinated and how it connects to the fascism of today.
    Not arguing. My thinking is that most current JFK research doesn't change anything -- not really. How do you see the H&L theory as a game changer?
    Hi Lauren... hopefully Dawn will not mind my stepping in here.


    "most current JFK research doesn't change anything" - related to H&L or all of it in general Lauren?

    The understanding and finally our community's acceptance of the H&L "play" first not having a thing to do with the assassination, of course, and then the switch or realization at some point to including Oswald, like Webster, Vallee and whoever the Tampa patsy in an assassination set-up, would have been is imo key to understanding the timeline and facilitating players...

    From my thinking it makes little sense to "show one's hand" ala Tampa and Chicago unless the fix was in very, very early... an innocent SS, given what happened in Chicago, would have NEVER behaved as they did in Dallas

    None of the warning bells for Dallas went off... The PRS did not even mention Chicago threats who might hop a train and be in Dallas... it was completely ignored while Abe Bolden is viscously attacked for opening his mouth.
    Yet the FBI reports in the WCDs from Chicago stumble over themselves to distance Oswald from Vallee and Valle from the actuall shooting team.

    Add now the Hoover must have been aware given his initial CYA reactions... it is said that Hoover and Angleton often shared info and resources.... while it is also said that Angleton had the infamous Mafia blackmail photos of Hoover and Tolson.... If Angleton was running Oswald, which Simpich makes a very good case for, it would be in Hoover's best interest to go along with the cover-up....

    So the question becomes - WHEN does HARVEY go from an Angleton/CIA/CI long range plan to THE patsy in Dallas... and do we honestly believe that it was Angleton who would expose himself in this way - or was it ONI/INS/DIA and the higher level facilitators insuring even greater insulation by using this person and his importance, as well as liability to Angleton...?

    One of the greatest disconnects related to H&L is the assumption that this was the plan all along... it was not of course...
    which brings us once again around to - so WHEN does he become the operational patsy?

    If he was a true liability - do we honestly believe he would not have been taken care of - given the circles he was involved? or do we see that his infultrations and work with Bannister and Shaw was serving dual purpose...
    Informational as well as his oversight... "They" were watching HARVEY all the time and most definitely was receiving some level of intel from him for his $200/month. He was "their" asset... and would be used as needed.
    Just ask Harry Dean or Nagell.

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    So how is H&L a game changer?

    In the biggest sense of the word, I will agree with you Lauren.. yet isn't that question the same as, "What would global acknowledgement of the Bethesda alterations do to the 'game' "? Or the viewing of the OTHER Zfilm along with the NPIC revelations from that weekend...


    Doesn't change the Sponsors or even the Facilitators we've come to know, I agree there too.... yet as H&L is understood and accepted - we have to acknowledge that HARVEY OSWALD was, in 1952, a planted communist, grown in the USA and working ultimately as a low level FBI informant for ??? KGB? CIA? ONI? both? All? and how that dovetails into Marina's (false) history covering a KGB operation to place "friendlies" in the US under deep cover.

    Interest in the HARVEY story - Women leaving USSR with husband.jpg




    One can look at the USSR episode as an arranged trip to get Marina into the USA, given who she meets (Both American Defectors), how fast they are married, and how, after telling Robert in an early letter that he would NEVER come back to the US... Nov 26, 1959 http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jf...ol16_0420a.htm and is the LAST LETTER FROM OSWALD until Jan 30, 1961


    There is SOMETHING in there Lauren... something big enough that Hoover appears very determined to have it stay hidden via the wholesale alteration and destruction of records... and remains hidden and unacknowledged to this day...

    Why?
    Once in a while you get shown the light
    in the strangest of places if you look at it right.....
    R. Hunter

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    "most current JFK research doesn't change anything" - related to H&L or all of it in general Lauren?
    All of it. If Douglass is largely correct about the Why He Died?, that leaves his next question, And Why It Matters? To my mind, any JFK research needs to speak to these two questions, or they become about curiosities -- dotting i's and crossing t's.

    The Sean Murphy thread at EF was remarkable in both its tone and respect for opinions. But to say LHO really was on the front steps -- hardly moving -- still to my mind does not address the two questions above.

    I'll read the rest of this post a little later. I am just responding to this sentence.
    "We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

    "We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Hargrove View Post
    John Armstrong's analysis of the CIA's "Oswald Project," including sworn testimony by a CIA accountant that Oswald was paid by the CIA, is available online here:

    http://harveyandlee.net


    Bumping.. I had the name of the site incorrect.
    Dawn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawn Meredith View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Hargrove View Post
    John Armstrong's analysis of the CIA's "Oswald Project," including sworn testimony by a CIA accountant that Oswald was paid by the CIA, is available online here:

    http://harveyandlee.net


    Bumping.. I had the name of the site incorrect.
    Dawn
    Also this update on Tippit appears to be shorter than the one I delivered. I remember the talk I had going into all the detail of Harvey moving from seat to seat in the theatre, clearly looking for his contact.

    Never mind. I was just looking at the end of the essay. I sent back and all the Harvey moves are further up in the body.

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    If memory serves (and it may not) John was having trouble making the script for your talk fit into the allotted time. Over the phone, we timed the whole thing and it was fifteen to twenty minutes too long, and so we kept looking for things to cut. Didn't he get you the final copy just a few hours before your speech? That's the way I recall it. Anyway, I'm pretty sure the original was longer than the material you read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Hargrove View Post
    If memory serves (and it may not) John was having trouble making the script for your talk fit into the allotted time. Over the phone, we timed the whole thing and it was fifteen to twenty minutes too long, and so we kept looking for things to cut. Didn't he get you the final copy just a few hours before your speech? That's the way I recall it. Anyway, I'm pretty sure the original was longer than the material you read.
    Ya John and I talked several times on that Sat as well and some of the paper was deleted. But it was actually only more like 5 minutes over. JJ had said to just leave off the end but the end was far too important, so together we made some deletions. I was able to get it all in in time. And had about 5 min for q and a. Oswald's phony "friend" tried to take over the q and a and show that JA was wrong but I was ready for him.

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