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    Thanks Kara. I'm pleased Dave has made a book on his work. Much of it very intriguing.
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magda Hassan View Post
    I'm pleased Dave has made a book on his work. Much of it very intriguing.
    It's an entertaining read.You know,just like the "National Enquirer","Globe",and the other tabloid gossip rags.Deep politics for simple minds.....

    Probably make a good cash cow.America loves it's cheap thrills.
    "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
    Buckminster Fuller

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    There are still very interesting matters covered in his work. I know you think he and others are undermining the genuineness of the counter-culture. I agree with you that there was a real counter-culture and it is worth keeping and treasuring. That it is worth keeping and treasuring and is a way out from the madness.
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    I've been reading the series on his website over the years. Some of it is really good, some of it is kind of weak. But yes, it is entertaining.

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    Janis Joplin degrading American society.

    Or,telling it like it is?

    We've always been easy pickins'......

    "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
    Buckminster Fuller

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    He provides some very good info. The overall thesis is yet to be proven, but the evidence is compelling.
    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
    ― Leo Tolstoy,

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    Dave McGowan on Red Ice Radio:




    Weird scenes indeed.

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
    ― Leo Tolstoy,

  9. Default great song... and perhaps something to think about Mkultra and the native revival

    great song RK Locke. Lately, Ive been looking into the roots of programs like MK ultra Chaos etc. I think the elites by the First World war realized that the violence that was used to quell labor movements in the 1880s up through the 30s was unsustainable so think tanks like the Tavistock Institute, the Macy conferences, the Cybernetics Group employed the greatest minds like Kurt Lewin, Herbert Marcuse, Gregory Bateson and Margaret Mead to think about how to transform mass culture in such a way to render people to think about themselves and their values differently to ensure the continuity of oligarchical rule. Gregory Bateson called one such strategy "native revival" when he advised the colonialist brits on how to more effectively maintain their control over Indian society. He said that brits needed to have better communication channels with their compradors and promote "native revival". That is, promote a "superior" traditional culture among the native Indians that puts themselves and their native culture on display through traditional costume dance etc for the modern colonials. With the acceptance of their traditional superior native culture, they will be less apt to want to demand a higher standard of living, "science is western etc" (see David Price "Weaponizing Anthropology" ). Gregory Bateson was a big MK ultra muckety muck, doing LSD experiments on unsuspecting vets at the Palo Alto VA in his study of "schizophrenia". Margaret Mead (his wife) meanwhile was writing about how the Samoans love lots of sex and how puritanical Americans are. The Macy conferences (participants included were Bateson and Mead) were responsible for patenting the pill in 1955. Sex drugs and culture, Im starting to think after a lot of research, were an elite strategy to re-engineer the values of society towards what Jim Keith calls a "sensate" society(actually this term comes from a study by the Stanford Research Institute in 1968 called "Changing images of Man".(Margaret Mead was part of the advisory group) an one focused on pleasure (drugs sex etc) rather than meaningful work (since work according the cybernetics group (and Marx) was going to disappear for the majority after the computers become more prominent. (Mind you these elitist fucks were devising this shit in the 1940s). So on the one hand, by the time we get to the sixties, we have the beginnings of a major capitalist stagnation cycle, people are demanding more so the CIA implements programs that had been decades in the making. On the other hand, these same programs are dealing with immediate threats to the state through MK ultra, Minnaret and Chaos. They destroy Paul Robeson, the CIA infiltrates the Black Panther Party through Jay Kennedy. So tactically these programs are destroying immediate threats to the system while at the same time implementing long term political objectives. They kill a lot of the rock stars have too much influence over the populations in a positive way like Lennon, Hendrix, and Marley while promoting others who are more "compatible". There are other examples of how this works too. There was a study of the Labor Committees role in SDS in the sixties and how intelligences agencies infiltrated not only the new left but dozens of black nationalist groups in NYC in the 1960s. I was heart broken to find out that the 5 percenter movement which influenced dozens of the best hip hop artists of all time had been created by a black Korean war vet who had been committed to a military psychiatric hospital for the criminally insane. He renamed himself "Allah" and created a splinter Black Muslim religion "5 percenters" (almost as crazy as scientology) that had nothing to do with Islam. He was also on the payroll of Mayor John Lindsays "urban task force" headed by Barry Gotterer for the purpose of "riot prevention." Does that mean that all of the bands that were influenced by him are inauthentic? I would say no. In fact, seemingly apolitical groups like the Wu Tang Clan became targets (like Tupac Shakur) of modern day cointelrpo. (see John Potash:
    http://www.amazon.com/Tupac-Shakur-B.../dp/0979146909 .
    and they continue kill off the artists upcoming who might be able to unite people, it goes on. I think its complicated. When it comes to sinister forces, everything and everyone is implicated to one extent or another. I could go on but i'll stop here.
    Last edited by Kara Dellacioppa; 07-08-2014 at 09:29 PM.

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    Kara, that's a great post and I think you are definitely on to something with the links to the Macy Conferences, etc. Here are a couple of videos that I think bring together some more pieces of the puzzle in this regard:








    There is definitely a book to be written on this subject but I think a few elements of the story require further research before the overall picture becomes clearer.
    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
    ― Leo Tolstoy,

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