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Thread: Lyndon Johnson and Mac Wallace - by Joan Mellen

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    give us all a chance to move from the quagmire on to more productive things.



    Yes! But of course! This is much more productive! LOL...

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    The way that I undertand it is (I'm a total outsider to this organization), you get a job first, you become an "active member," after 2 or more years full time experience (and X number of identifications) you pass a test, or series of tests, and get your certificate. After you retire or quit your job you become a "participating member." They might change the status of his membership to correspond with his employment status, or if he fails to pay his dues or whatever, but "retroactively de-certifying" someone sounds like the sort of process that the organization lawyers would want to see fully documented and not just a "note in a file." We'll see what IAI says (or if).
    "All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

    James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

    Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

    Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Doyle View Post
    This was Lyndon Johnson’s role in the terrible events of June 8, 1967 involving the USS Liberty. They reveal that Johnson, unique among U.S. Presidents, was a war criminal, his personal actions resulting in the deaths of 34 members of the U.S. military. I plan to discuss these events and their implications for how history will be compelled to view this terribly immoral man in my new book about Mac Wallace and Lyndon Johnson.


    I doubt Johnson masterminded or did that alone either.

    I know the prevailing opinion on this forum is that LBJ wasn't the mastermind. If Mellen is correct, it also can't be a conspiracy of 2. However, if a conspiracy to kill JFK extended to the FBI/CIA or whoever, don't you think that it would be a grand idea for the fingerprint of one of LBJ's murderous buddies to "show up" among the FBI evidence? I would suggest that, to other plotters, that would be a good way to keep LBJ "home on the ranch" with respect to the cover up.
    "All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

    James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

    Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

    Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Doyle View Post
    This was Lyndon Johnson’s role in the terrible events of June 8, 1967 involving the USS Liberty. They reveal that Johnson, unique among U.S. Presidents, was a war criminal, his personal actions resulting in the deaths of 34 members of the U.S. military. I plan to discuss these events and their implications for how history will be compelled to view this terribly immoral man in my new book about Mac Wallace and Lyndon Johnson.


    I doubt Johnson masterminded or did that alone either.
    Of course not. This has been addressed here a zillion times.

    Dawn

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    I think it's significant that three military veterans - Penn Jones, Harold Weisberg and Jim Garrison - believed that the military (at least military intelligence) played a significant role in the assassination plot. LBJ and his Texas cronies weren't capable of handling a complicated operation like this.

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    No sane, well-versed, well-read researcher that I hang out with gives any credence to 'LBJ did it' - neither does Mellen, by the way; however, since the first talk about the Wallace fingerprints on a box in the TSBD, all of them thought that it was a way to control LBJ, not that Wallace was a shooter or involved in the plot. LBJ was, of course, one of those who benefited greatly, and had hated/feared JFK and his brothers anyway. However, the evidence shows others were involved and LBJ was merely controlled and used as another useful idiot. The endless tripe of 'LBJ as mastermind' is either lack of information, lack of insight of the big picture, or disinformation.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
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    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawn Meredith View Post

    Of course not. This has been addressed here a zillion times.

    Dawn


    A lot of things have. I'd be interested in how Mellen covers it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy Riddle View Post
    I think it's significant that three military veterans - Penn Jones, Harold Weisberg and Jim Garrison - believed that the military (at least military intelligence) played a significant role in the assassination plot. LBJ and his Texas cronies weren't capable of handling a complicated operation like this.


    Don't forget Prouty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Lemkin View Post
    No sane, well-versed, well-read researcher that I hang out with gives any credence to 'LBJ did it' - neither does Mellen, by the way; however, since the first talk about the Wallace fingerprints on a box in the TSBD, all of them thought that it was a way to control LBJ, not that Wallace was a shooter or involved in the plot. LBJ was, of course, one of those who benefited greatly, and had hated/feared JFK and his brothers anyway. However, the evidence shows others were involved and LBJ was merely controlled and used as another useful idiot. The endless tripe of 'LBJ as mastermind' is either lack of information, lack of insight of the big picture, or disinformation.
    Not to mention, seriously, would you mastermind a crossfire while you were unarmed, unprotected and 2 cars back of JFK? So ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawn Meredith View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Phipps View Post
    I have written a nice, non-threatening email to the IAI's General Counsel, asking for a public comment or response to Ms. Mellen's disclosure of materials allegedly from their files, and asking if they will verify whether or not Darby was a certified examiner on March 1998.

    I will post any response I receive.
    Thanks Drew. However, after all of this got put on the net, someone may have decided to "change" ND's status. There is ZERO chance he lied. And was the match Mellen had done blind? I doubt it. Nathan told me that he thought it was a family problem of J's that he was taking a look at. Not til after he made the match did J tell him who he matched. Same with Hofmeister.
    Dawn
    Changing the status of someone in an organization like that would be easily done by FBI, CIA or off-the-shelf types. It would take more than asking - it would at least take doing a 'forensic' study of IF and WHEN such a change happened - and even that could be covered up to make it all but impossible to know now. Better would be those who knew and worked with Darby. We all know that a pervasive cover-up of the events of Dallas has been and still is in effect, making seemingly simple questions so difficult to answer with certainty. Dawn has had no reason to be in any way deceptive on this - and knew the principle players well. Additionally, she knew much of what happened.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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