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Thread: Bill Kelly's Review of David Talbot's "The Devil's Chessboard"

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    This was featured on RT's Watching the Hawks last night - https://www.rt.com/shows/watching-th...lack-sites-us/ , tho' the programs hats-off to Chuck Yeager rankled - "Sound barrier officially broken in aircraft[edit]. The British Air Ministry signed an agreement with the United States to exchange all its high-speed research, data and designs and Bell Aircraft company was given access to the drawings and research on the M.52,[25] but the U.S. reneged on the agreement and no data was forthcoming in return.[26] Bell's supersonic design was still using a conventional tail..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier ... jus' sayin'...
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    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    I am about 3/4 of the way through Talbot's book.

    And it keeps getting better.

    The sections on Dulles vs Kennedy are first rate. He really came up with a lot of new stuff that is really important.

    To give you one example--JFK was so pissed off about what the CIA had done to him during Bay of Pigs, and their attempt to overthrow DeGaulle, that he not just fired Dulles, Bissell and Cabell. He also had a RIF, which by some estimates went way beyond what Carter did. Some say that he retired something like 20 per cent of the Company operators.

    Kennedy then gave Schlesinger the job of, get this, redesigning and renaming the Agency. Schlesinger spent weeks on this and collected all sorts of data. He was actually going to call it the National Intelligence Association. Which Kennedy actually liked.

    The sections on Lumumba, and the coup attempt against DeGaulle by OAS in 1961 are first rate stuff.

    And I just finished the part about Dulles in 1963, setting up his own shadow government. Which included meeting with a Cuban exile assassin and supplying him all sorts of money in order to finance an independent invasion of Cuba.

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    http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/fa...ok/#more-20656

    what do you think o this? is it possible that RFK liked Dulles and that he recommended Dulles for the WC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasilios Vazakas View Post
    http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/fa...ok/#more-20656

    what do you think o this? is it possible that RFK liked Dulles and that he recommended Dulles for the WC?

    Not a chance.

    Dawn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawn Meredith View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Vasilios Vazakas View Post
    http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/fa...ok/#more-20656

    what do you think o this? is it possible that RFK liked Dulles and that he recommended Dulles for the WC?

    Not a chance.

    Dawn
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    Martin Hay demolished this in his review of Willens cover up book.

    Talbot also takes it apart convincingly near the end of the book.

    I don't even go to JFK Facts anymore since its not facts, its certain people's agendas, and these agendas then get argued about with people like Paul May under an alias.

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    I had never heard of this before and it took me by surprise. I also saw the related document on history matters and Morley stating that he agreed with Shenon about FRK and Dulles and i did not know what to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasilios Vazakas View Post
    I had never heard of this before and it took me by surprise. I also saw the related document on history matters and Morley stating that he agreed with Shenon about FRK and Dulles and i did not know what to believe.
    If Morley SAID he agrees with Shenon then I don't trust him a bit, and that would explain a lot about his site. (Actually I think he says it ON his site, I clicked on a link yesterday and I think it was "JFK Facts" (Ha) where he posted those words. Wow, back to who is who in the JFK assassination community. (As in spooks). Sigh. It just never ends does it?

    Dawn

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    The history of this goes back to LBJ himself back in 1971.

    He said this in his memoir.

    People like Caro and Shenon picked up on it.

    I think its pure baloney.

    Number one, the idea that LBJ would consult with RFK on who to be on the WC, when in fact, they despised each other, makes no sense to me.

    Second, after JFK fired Dulles, RFK called in Dean Rusk and asked him if the had any other member of the Dulles family on the payroll. Rush said that Eleanor Dulles, Allen's sister, worked the German desk at the State Department. Bobby said that he wanted her fired also because he did not want any member of the Dulles family around anymore.

    So then, we are to believe that two years later, he wants Dulles on the WC, to investigate the murder of his brother, which Bob had doubts about almost immediately? Including suspicions of the CIA? When in fact, RFK had led the charge to have Dulles fired after the Taylor Commission report on the Bay of Pigs was submitted? During which RFK was Dulles' prime antagonist when he was on the stand, essentially calling him a liar. And then after, RFK brought Bob Lovett to the White House after reading the Bruce-Lovett report, in order for Lovett to tell JFK that this was a great opportunity for him to fire the guy.

    Yeah sure.

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