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    Quote Originally Posted by Magda Hassan View Post
    Why do you think it has found such fertile ground in the US which was supposed to be a new country and a rejection of old England?
    The Anglo American Establishment by Carroll Quigley really shows how close the elite of both nations were and the values they shared.

    I also remember reading a book, literally decades back now, about the British commanders during the US War of Independence were Worshipful Masters of field lodges and who conspired with their fellow American Freemasons (also commanders) not to win the war.

    Was it true? I've no idea -- yet it is known that George III the King of the United Kingdom was not a Freemason (even though all his sons later were). But it is interesting that the Masonic Oath does set out how Masons must protect fellow Masons no matter what the cost, including murder and treachery.

    PS, we should never forget that Freemasonry is an occult study - not just occult as in eclipsed from view, but in the true sense of that meaning. And this will always be attractive to all men who seek to fully understand the deeper meanings of religion "for the masses" and spirituality. My few cents worth anyway.
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
    Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14

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    It is interesting to note that we [and even the intelligence community itself] use the term 'the CULT of intelligence'. Marchetti wrote a book with that in the title. I wonder aloud where that term came from...we do NOT say the cult of the military nor almost anything else.......
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
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    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    That is interesting Peter. It isn't really used in other contexts is it?
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    There is a really good episode of the Peace Revolution Podcast which goes into detail about how Freemasonry was used to spread the British Empire throughout the world. I've posted it on here somewhere so I will try to find it. I don't think it deals with the esoteric aspects in great detail but it is still very much worth a listen.
    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
    ― Leo Tolstoy,

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    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
    ― Leo Tolstoy,

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    Thank you R.K. Appreciated!
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Guyatt View Post
    Yo ho ho and a powder-monkey's bum - wiv me bottle of rum...

    Pirates, a.k.a., "Privateers" often flew the Jolly Roger flag that identified they were about to attack and plunder unsuspecting merchantmen.


    Privitisation and privateers too. The whole scam is nothing more than plunder of the unsuspecting public’s assets. .



    The group contributes financially to the University, announcing donations with letters signed only with seven astronomical symbolsin the order: Earth, Jupiter, Mercury, Mars, Neptune, Uranus, and Venus.
    In a geocentric system Saturn is the seventh planet but they don't use that. (sun, moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn) Perhaps reserved for other purposes or they use another system. Heliocentric? Suspect Saturn rules Freemasonry too with their connection with construction etc.
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Guyatt View Post
    We might also move on to Bro. R. S. M, founder of yet another US intelligence agency, the D. I. A.

    the Bro. in question was Robert Strange McNamara.
    Regimental Sergeant Major. Strange.
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magda Hassan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by David Guyatt View Post
    Yo ho ho and a powder-monkey's bum - wiv me bottle of rum...

    Pirates, a.k.a., "Privateers" often flew the Jolly Roger flag that identified they were about to attack and plunder unsuspecting merchantmen.


    Privitisation and privateers too. The whole scam is nothing more than plunder of the unsuspecting public’s assets. .



    The group contributes financially to the University, announcing donations with letters signed only with seven astronomical symbolsin the order: Earth, Jupiter, Mercury, Mars, Neptune, Uranus, and Venus.
    In a geocentric system Saturn is the seventh planet but they don't use that. (sun, moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn) Perhaps reserved for other purposes or they use another system. Heliocentric? Suspect Saturn rules Freemasonry too with their connection with construction etc.
    It is a key planet for the occult and therefore, Freemasonry also. Ditto the Qabalah where it is attributed to Binah, the 2nd emanation. Some interesting links about this are HERE, HERE and HERE. Sharp eyes might note the association with Moloch, which will bring us back to Yale's Skull and Bones and it's annual California get together at the Bohemian Grove.
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
    Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14

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    I mention in passing that Scottish Rite freemasonry has a presence in discussions some of our have had in relation to Kubrick's last film, Eyes Wide Shut - especially post no 21 and 31. I also note that the "chair" used by Red Cloak in the occult ceremony in that same film, specifically exhibited 33rd degree symbols of the Scottish Rite. I've covered this on the forum somewhere, but damned if I can find it now. But no matter. Here it is again (more or less anyway):



    Long used as the insigne of a Scottish Rite Mason, the "Double Headed Eagle of Lagash" is now the accepted emblem in the United States of America of the 32 Degree. It is the oldest crest in the world. It was a symbol of power more than two thousand years before the building of King Solomon's Temple. No other heraldic bearing, no other emblematic device of today can boast such antiquity."

    Incidentally, in the above screenshot, there is an Egyptian Uraeus Serpent with the two heads on the back of the chair. This relates to the Sun, and the two heads -- which face and East and West, relate to the rising and setting of the Sun. (from The Kentroversy Papers)



    The double-headed eagle is one of the most ancient and prominent symbols of Freemasonry. A crowned double headed eagle is representative of the 33rd degree of Freemasonry, the highest degree attainable. Is Kubrick implying that the High Priest is a 33rd Degree Freemason? (From Vigilant Citizen)I also note that Kubrick's film had what appears to be all the usual ingredients.... a murder of a prostitute (a substitution killing), paedophilia (the two Japanese men in the costume shop, Rainbow Fashions with the under age owner's daughter).

    Lastly, Kubrick's choice of the password Fidelio, to gain entrance to the occult orgy derives from Beethoven's opera of that name. Beethoven is though to have been a Freemason by several freemasonic groups - although no definite records appear to exists now. This whole Fidelio matters seems to have been a straight lift from Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Novella where the password used was Denmark --- signifying, apparently, that "something is rotten in the state...". And it now seems certain that Kubrick based his film on this novel - at least in part - according to this analysis on Schnitzler's book.


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    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
    Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14

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