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    Default Coup Underway in Turkey

    Outcome unclear.

    Erdogen calling for his supporters to flood the streets, which they are. Some shooting with injuries or fatalities.

    EDIT: This appears to be very questionable coup attempt. The Army as a whole does not support the coup. A faction is supposedly sponsoring the coup. Wouldn't surprise me if this were one of Erdogen's stunts. Just sayin'.
    Last edited by Lauren Johnson; 07-16-2016 at 10:39 PM.
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    Have just woken up to see this. Still finding the lay of the land. Might check out Sibel Edmonds and see what she has to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magda Hassan View Post
    Have just woken up to see this. Still finding the lay of the land. Might check out Sibel Edmonds and see what she has to say.
    It strikes me as a coup that breaks all the rules -- they haven't seized govt buildings, the communications, the leaders of the government with Erdogen calling out his supporters, no paratroopers dropped into the city center, etc. It strikes me as spectacle. Erdogen will use to to his advantage.
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    Obviously I'm not buying this "coup." Let's not forget this news is drowning out: the release of the 28 pages. It didn't happen -- even though it happened.
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    It does appear a very sanitary "coup." It is said there are casualties, but I didn't see any "rebel" troops using even rudimentary non-lethal crowd control measures. Nor did I see any property damage, though I'm certain pictures of such is forthcoming. CNN Turkey didn't even stop broadcasting, though there is no one in the studio. Strange days.
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    Erdogan claims supporters of Fetullah Gulen behind coup with major geo-political implications. The source of this is Katehon whose leading expert is Alexander Dugin.

    A coup attempt has taken place in TurkeyAt this moment the fate of the country is being decided. A military group occupied the state television building where they transmitted message of seizing power. According to the military, they are holding hostage commander-in-chief and the government was also arrested. Earlier, Prime Minister of Turkey Binali Yildirim made a statement that the attempt of the rebellion has failed.

    In a Skype, which was broadcast on the air of CNN Turk, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has accused the supporters of Islamist leader Fetullaha Gülen in the organization of the coup. Fetullaha Gülen is residing in the United States, and cooperating with US intelligence agencies. Erdogan urged people to go out to the streets and prevent the coup. Where is Erdogan himself is currently unknown. Meanwhile, military helicopters attacked the presidential quarter in Ankara. In Ankara and Istanbul and other major cities, people go out to the streets, trying to stop the military vehicles.

    However, judging by the tanks in all cities of the country the Coup has the potential to end in the military's victory. While not reported exactly who led the coup. Military answered that they intend to restore democratic rights and freedoms. Open liberal rhetoric is the evidence in favor of the coup's Atlanticist orientation

    Washington's hand

    The military coup has obvious geopolitical implications. It comes after a sharp reversal in the direction of the relations of Turkey and Russia and changes on the Syrian issue made by the country's leaders . On last eve Binali Yildirim said that Turkey intends to restore relations with official Damascus. In essence, this would mean a radical change of the whole geopolitical situation on the Syrian issue and the collapse of the US strategy in the region. Before that Erdogan removed Ahmet Davutoglu from the country's leadership. US realized that Erdogan decided to change the geopolitical course. United States decided to act and use their networks of influence in military circles, to initiate a coup.

    We should expect reprisals against both the opposition, in favor of strengthening ties with Russia and Syria, as well as functionaries of the ruling party "Justice and Development". The pro-Russian course will be frozen.
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    This will really enhance Turkey's chance of admission to the EU, after they win the stability or acting award - perhaps both.

    I don't yet see any reaction from Edmonds, but I'm sure one interesting will soon be forthcoming. From the confusion and play-acting going on in Turkey, I'd think anyone would take some hours to hazard even a guess what is really going on. As others have pointed out, something is not right about this 'coup', who haven't even tried to take over government nor communications. It is more shadow boxing of some strange Turkish kind. Have they taken over anything other than the Ankara airport? I now hear it is 750 army personnel arrested - hardly large numbers, but others being invited to return to their posts under the 'old regime'. Ah yes, two bridges over the straits at Istanbul are apparently under old regime control in reaction to the 'coup'. Also some military planes flying over Ankara and Istanbul are reported. The so-called leader of the coup is shown very politely being handcuffed with plastic cuffs. He doesn't look very worried for his fate in the photo. The 'captured' former head of the military was 'freed' without even a scratch on his head or seemingly of anyone else. Five unnamed Generals detained, while all other Generals pledge support to old government. It seems like some very bad theater....a way of Erdogan getting public support and sympathy for his rule.

    I think the general consensus in Istanbul now is that this is a ploy to be able to crack down on the population and have military rule by the old regime, not the by the 'coup'.....

    ...apparently reports of >60 deaths and a helicopter shot down..... I'd call it Coup-Light...very, very, very light...staged or welcomed by the old-regime, best I can see. This puts Turkey on par with South Sudan as far as stability and transparency goes. Turkey has a long history of real coups...this does NOT seem to be one of them.
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    There was a newsclip of the recent NATO meeting where the delegates left the meeting two by two, Obama with Cameron and so on, but the last figure out was a very lonely looking Erdogan. No one would speak to him or appeared to acknowledge him. He was the nowhere man.

    The clip then switched to the official dinner, when Cameron sat down next to Obama with Erdogan on his other side. Cameron blanked him altogether - obviously so - and then exchanged a glance with Obama that spoke volumes. I've tried to find this clip but have been unable to.

    Anyway, this was hot on the heels of Erdogan's lettrr of apology to Putin. Clearly he was repositioning himself. Or trying to anyway.

    My guess is that this event at NATO sent a clear message to the plotters. The US & NATO no longer trust him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Guyatt View Post
    There was a newsclip of the recent NATO meeting where the delegates left the meeting two by two, Obama with Cameron and so on, but the last figure out was a very lonely looking Erdogan. No one would speak to him or appeared to acknowledge him. He was the nowhere man.

    The clip then switched to the official dinner, when Cameron sat down next to Obama with Erdogan on his other side. Cameron blanked him altogether - obviously so - and then exchanged a glance with Obama that spoke volumes. I've tried to find this clip but have been unable to.

    Anyway, this was hot on the heels of Erdogan's lettrr of apology to Putin. Clearly he was repositioning himself. Or trying to anyway.

    My guess is that this event at NATO sent a clear message to the plotters. The US & NATO no longer trust him.
    There has always been antagonism between the Turkish Military [who are followers of Ataturk and his secular philosophy] and Erdogan and his gang [who want a Muslim religious-based Turkey]. To me the motive and impetus of the plotters is not clear yet - real mini-rebellion or false-flag to bolster Erdogan's position internally? In either case, Turkey's international status certainly has taken a big downward hit. I can understand the public coming out in the streets to oppose the 'coup', but I think they will feel used in the end. Most young educated Turks never want another military government or coup, even if they mostly do not like Erdogan. We haven't yet mentioned the Turkish Deep State which likely had their hands in this pie.

    I agree that Erdogan's recent rapprochement with Putin probably won him no marks on his dance card at NATO.
    Last edited by Peter Lemkin; 07-16-2016 at 10:18 AM.
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    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Default Sibel Edmonds 6 months ago.

    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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