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    That's right, to be a Neocon it is mandatory to engage in torture.

    Or you could simply look up the definition of Neoconservative - assuming, that is, that you wanted facts to ever intrude in your posts.
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
    Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Guyatt View Post
    the Bolsheviks (which they also financed and backed as you know).
    No, I don't know that. Why would the capitalist oligarchs finance the most bitter and resolute enemies of capitalism? Have you ever read any of their program documents, major speeches, books or articles? What did they gain from this financing? The US didn't even recognize the USSR until 1933. Although they did send troops along with 12 other western countries with the intention of destroying the Bolsheviks in 1918.

    I suppose this lie will be joined by the current meme that Putin hacked or otherwise interfered with the recent election. (In case you're interested, he didn't. See

    http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/ )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Coleman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by David Guyatt View Post
    the Bolsheviks (which they also financed and backed as you know).
    No, I don't know that. Why would the capitalist oligarchs finance the most bitter and resolute enemies of capitalism? Have you ever read any of their program documents, major speeches, books or articles? What did they gain from this financing? The US didn't even recognize the USSR until 1933. Although they did send troops along with 12 other western countries with the intention of destroying the Bolsheviks in 1918.

    I suppose this lie will be joined by the current meme that Putin hacked or otherwise interfered with the recent election. (In case you're interested, he didn't. See

    http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/ )
    There is a lot on capitalist creation of the Soviet Russia here at DPF. Guido Preparata's Conjuring Hitler is just excellent.
    "We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

    "We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Coleman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by David Guyatt View Post
    the Bolsheviks (which they also financed and backed as you know).
    No, I don't know that. Why would the capitalist oligarchs finance the most bitter and resolute enemies of capitalism? Have you ever read any of their program documents, major speeches, books or articles? What did they gain from this financing? The US didn't even recognize the USSR until 1933. Although they did send troops along with 12 other western countries with the intention of destroying the Bolsheviks in 1918.

    I suppose this lie will be joined by the current meme that Putin hacked or otherwise interfered with the recent election. (In case you're interested, he didn't. See

    http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/ )
    Worth noting, Richard, that the best-known historian & ideologist of United Russia, Putin's own party, has written extensively & in compelling detail of British & American support for the Bolsheviks. Starikov's work on, for example, the probings of an obscure Russian economist into the unnecessary & ludicrously expensive purchase of Swedish rail stock is illuminating.
    "There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"

    Joseph Fouche

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Coleman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by David Guyatt View Post
    the Bolsheviks (which they also financed and backed as you know).
    No, I don't know that. Why would the capitalist oligarchs finance the most bitter and resolute enemies of capitalism? Have you ever read any of their program documents, major speeches, books or articles? What did they gain from this financing? The US didn't even recognize the USSR until 1933. Although they did send troops along with 12 other western countries with the intention of destroying the Bolsheviks in 1918.

    I suppose this lie will be joined by the current meme that Putin hacked or otherwise interfered with the recent election. (In case you're interested, he didn't. See

    http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/ )
    Mmmm. Destroying the Bolsheviks in 1918?

    Interestingly, many years ago I was told by the grandson of the British Army officer who took charge of the Russian railway system during the Allied Military Expedition in 1918, that he purposely withheld railway cars full of supplies of war materials destined for the "white movement's" Admiral Kolchak's last stand defence of Moscow. Consequently Moscow fell to the Bolsheviks and the USSR was birthed.

    The British Army officer was being directed by an unknown hand in the UK, according to his correspondence and diaries, the grandson said - although he hinted at the identity...

    The same officer, apparently, directed the train wagons (many, many of them) loaded with the vast Russian treasury of gold that was being sent to a safe haven for Tsar Nicholas II. All that treasure disappeared. Approx 10 years ago, Putin's Russia claimed some of it back from China. It has apparently ended up in Harbin (at least in part).

    One can only imagine why it was sent there, but the British are known by the French as perfidious Albion for a reason.

    Not least, I believe the Tsar's urgent request for the travel of himself and his immediate family to safety in England was rejected by hist first cousin, Kind George V. Their execution followed.

    Power and greed wrapped in the cunning and cynical foreign policy is what drives "nations". To camouflage their personal vileness and avarice they cloak it in the flag and call it "the national interest".

    As ever, the ordinary people of the world fall for this faery tale because they, alone, are loyal to the nation of their birth -- whereas the real movers and shakers don't give a sh*t about it and never have. For them it's a useful vehicle to advance their selfish interests and nothing more.

    Signed, yours cynically.
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
    Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14

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    There was a book written by Tony Summers, same one that wrote about JFK but well before then, called 'File on the Tsar' Interesting history about all the deals that were going on with the Tsar and family who were very valuable and taken very good care of by the Bolsheviks. They would have been delighted for England to take off their hands as they had a civil war to fight and were astounded when England reject them. They were still working on other sanctuaries for the family but there was interference with the local chain of command and changes in the front line and the party lost control of the situation. But it was through Harbin China they were heading.
    https://www.amazon.com/File-Tsar-Ant.../dp/0752849379
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magda Hassan View Post
    There was a book written by Tony Summers, same one that wrote about JFK but well before then, called 'File on the Tsar' Interesting history about all the deals that were going on with the Tsar and family who were very valuable and taken very good care of by the Bolsheviks. They would have been delighted for England to take the family off their hands as they had a civil war to fight and were astounded when England reject them. They were still working on other sanctuaries for the family but there was interference with the local chain of command and changes in the front line and the party lost control of the situation. But it was through Harbin China they were heading.
    https://www.amazon.com/File-Tsar-Ant.../dp/0752849379
    How interesting, Maggie.

    Harbin was connected (sadly I can't remember exactly how now and would need to dig back in my old files to check) to the Chinese "Golden Lily" WWII plunder teams that saw all the treasure plundered by the Japanese during WWII eventually stashed in the secret sites throughout the Philippines.
    Last edited by Magda Hassan; 02-03-2017 at 03:18 PM.
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
    Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14

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    It occurs to me that the following website would be of interest to this tread. The two British researchers have used Carroll Quigley's book Tragedy & Hope as a basis for undertaking deep research into the British secret elite and the First World War. It's an extensive project and very well researched and put together.

    This is their opening para:

    "If you are sympathetic to the view that Germany was responsible for the war and that Britain and her allies fought for the noble cause of saving civilization from German tyranny, we invite you to consider the possibility that you have been misled." We too were once convinced of Germany’s guilt, but having studied the war in minute detail for many years are now firmly of the opinion, and confident we can prove to you, that it was not Germany to blame, but a secret coterie of immensely wealthy upper-class men in Britain. Men who saw the rapidly developing economic, commercial and industrial power of Germany as a threat to their secret plan to bring the entire civilised world under the control of the British Empire. From the early years of the 20th century they met regularly in their great English country houses and plush London clubs to plan in secret how to bring an end to the German threat.

    After WWI these immensely wealthy upper-class men concluded that only America could carry this project forward, hence the development of the Anglo-American "special relationship" and Quigley's other book The Anglo-American Establishment.

    Read in full HERE.
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
    Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14

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    I have long wondered just what Bill Clinton learned from Quigley.

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    People should also learn from Antony Sutton, the master.

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