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    [QUOTE=LR Trotter;120807][QUOTE=Ray Mitcham;120806]
    Quote Originally Posted by LR Trotter View Post


    I fail to see where I "mistyped" anything Mr Mitcham, just pure and simple misspelling of "vestibule".I was seeking clarification for your posted statements as seen in the last two paragraphs among your comments seen just above my response that you now question. However, in hindsight, I probably should have "separated" my response so as to be more paragraph "specific". But, careful reading does not indicate absolutely that Mr Campbell stated that he saw the CocaCola, in my opinion, although somewhat ambiguous as posted.


    Apologies if I upset you by saying you had mistyped "vestibule", Mr Trotter.

    I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. If you misspelled it as you said then it seems, you are not as intelligent as I thought.

  2. Default A Legion of Lies

    The significance of the wrongly accused, OSWALD, using the specific term Superintendent as oppose to Supervisor separates Truly from Shelley.

    Again, great catch there, Mr. Mitcham ---->

    Holmes testified that Oswald had stated that “A police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees".

    As we reconstruct the scene that afternoon, it plays closer to the following than what we have been lead to believe within the narrow, tunnel-vision script of the Warren Commission:

    Startled suddenly, Jack Dougherty abruptly stops working on the 5th floor. He mounts the West elevator. Upon landing on the first floor, he is met by two people (fellow employee Eddie Piper and what Dougherty believes is a FBI agent, who—according to Dougherty’s testimony asks for someone in a position of authority. Dougherty offers Truly’s name and sets off to find his boss).

    As the aforementioned Dougherty is mounting the West elevator inside, outside Officer Marrion Baker steers his motorcycle off Elm Street, pulling it safely up on the curb. He sets his sights on the Dal-Tex building, reasoning like I would, that the pigeons atop the TSBD wouldn’t be anywhere near a gun toting gunman waiting up there with a lethal weapon in his hands, thus he rules out the TSBD.

    Mrs. Reid fades back into the shadows, doing all she can to avoid the chaotic scene/stampede unfolding around her, settling between the blue mailbox and the corner of Elm & Houston, where she is captured on film. Less than 24 hrs later, she will be recruited to incriminate an innocent party to FRAME him.

    Unfortunately, for her and the viper pit of liars, they overlooked this small, yet important detail, in their sinister plans to hatch a phantom 2nd floor encounter with the wrongly accused.

    Meanwhile, Ochus Virgil Campbell returns inside the TSBD. He spies the wrongly accused on the first floor. Others are in tow with him as he declares We saw him there.

    News man Pierce Allman is frantically looking for a phone. He wants his media network to break this unfolding storyline before their competitors. He asks a young man where he may find a phone. The wrongly accuse stops to assist Allman (hardly the behavior the someone guilty of anything making a hasty getaway). Allman later recalls this encounter, quote, “Oswald mistook me” for a secret service agent.

    Meanwhile, Victoria Adams and a fellow employee are on the move, taking the backstairs down four flights. They do not encounter Truly&Baker on those same stairs.

    A trio of men, having abandoned their original position minutes ago, are now positioned over on the westerly side of the building. The taller one observes a white helmeted motorcycle policeman walk out of the same West elevator Dougherty had taken down to the first floor.

    The trio—in their descent down the backstairs—also do not encounter Truly&Baker.

    Meanwhile, after dashing over to the Elm Street area, where a motorcycle officer is having trouble parking his bike, Sheriff John Wiseman listens to a woman (MS) when she directs his attention to the TSBD. Moving quickly and in a deliberate manner, Sheriff Wiseman races up the backstairs all the way up to the 7th floor. He attempts to get up to the roof, but access is blocked to the roof, because it is locked. Locked. Locked. Locked.

    Meanwhile, after managing to not be seen by two female employees sharing the same stairs, in the same time and space, Truly&Baker, leave the wrongly accused, or so they say. They run up three more flights of stairs, managing to not be seen and/or heard by the trio comprising (Norman, Williams and Jarman, who just happen to be in the same area/floor Truly&Baker are headed to, or so they say).

    After managing to unlock the locked access to the roof (with a magically silent key ring that not a single soul on the same stairway heard jangling as Truly&4triesBaker charged upstairs, or so the hastily contrived script suggests), the lying duo now spend, quote, over 5 minutes on the roof, which makes it even more certain that Sheriff Wiseman would encounter them at at least three different intervals IF they been in the same space he was.

    It gets even worse for Truly&Baker. In his testimony, Truly says on their way back downstairs, Baker canvasses the 7th floor, even searching a “small storage” room (Commission Exhibit 507 puts that room quite a distance away from the elevators, thus extending even more time for an encounter with Sheriff Wiseman IF they really went to the roof and actually stayed there for over 5 minutes.

    Like they managed to do with the two females, and the trio on the 5th floor, now Truly&Baker stand at 0-6, once again managing to not encounter someone else sharing the same time and space as they claim to.

    Any objective person would find such odds overwhelmingly strange...

    Any objective person would also find the injustice in Mrs. Reid’s blatant lie about a phantom encounter with the wrongly accused.

    Any objective person would also find lies feed off other lies. Why did Mrs. Reid Lie? Why did Truly Lie? Why did 4triesBaker Lie?

    All for the same reasons, to embellish a hastily contrived script in order to FRAME an innocent human being.
    Last edited by Alan Ford; 08-11-2017 at 10:35 PM.
    "A Lie Believed By Everybody Is Not The Truth"--unknown



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  3. Default As long as...

    [QUOTE=Ray Mitcham;120813][QUOTE=LR Trotter;120807]
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Mitcham View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LR Trotter View Post


    I fail to see where I "mistyped" anything Mr Mitcham, just pure and simple misspelling of "vestibule".I was seeking clarification for your posted statements as seen in the last two paragraphs among your comments seen just above my response that you now question. However, in hindsight, I probably should have "separated" my response so as to be more paragraph "specific". But, careful reading does not indicate absolutely that Mr Campbell stated that he saw the CocaCola, in my opinion, although somewhat ambiguous as posted.
    Apologies if I upset you by saying you had mistyped "vestibule", Mr Trotter.

    I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. If you misspelled it as you said then it seems, you are not as intelligent as I thought.
    As long as my intelligence actually matches my own assessment, I am comfortable with it, and I make no claim of abundance, although I do not recall ever misspelling the abbreviation for CentralStandardTime. But, for clarification, I place no value on your judgement for the quality, nor quantity, of anyone's intelligence. And, reliance on sub par assessments can be very problematic.

    Larry
    StudentofAssassinationResearch


  4. Default Mr BonnieRayWilliams testimony...

    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Ford View Post
    The significance of the wrongly accused, OSWALD, using the specific term Superintendent as oppose to Supervisor separates Truly from Shelley.

    Again, great catch there, Mr. Mitcham ---->

    Holmes testified that Oswald had stated that “A police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees".

    As we reconstruct the scene that afternoon, it plays closer to the following than what we have been lead to believe within the narrow, tunnel-vision script of the Warren Commission:

    Startled suddenly, Jack Dougherty abruptly stops working on the 5th floor. He mounts the West elevator. Upon landing on the first floor, he is met by two people (fellow employee Eddie Piper and what Dougherty believes is a FBI agent, who—according to Dougherty’s testimony asks for someone in a position of authority. Dougherty offers Truly’s name and sets off to find his boss).

    As the aforementioned Dougherty is mounting the West elevator inside, outside Officer Marrion Baker steers his motorcycle off Elm Street, pulling it safely up on the curb. He sets his sights on the Dal-Tex building, reasoning like I would, that the pigeons atop the TSBD wouldn’t be anywhere near a gun toting gunman waiting up there with a lethal weapon in his hands, thus he rules out the TSBD.

    Mrs. Reid fades back into the shadows, doing all she can to avoid the chaotic scene/stampede unfolding around her, settling between the blue mailbox and the corner of Elm & Houston, where she is captured on film. Less than 24 hrs later, she will be recruited to incriminate an innocent party to FRAME him.

    Unfortunately, for her and the viper pit of liars, they overlooked this small, yet important detail, in their sinister plans to hatch a phantom 2nd floor encounter with the wrongly accused.

    Meanwhile, Ochus Virgil Campbell returns inside the TSBD. He spies the wrongly accused on the first floor. Others are in tow with him as he declares We saw him there.

    News man Pierce Allman is frantically looking for a phone. He wants his media network to break this unfolding storyline before their competitors. He asks a young man where he may find a phone. The wrongly accuse stops to assist Allman (hardly the behavior the someone guilty of anything making a hasty getaway). Allman later recalls this encounter, quote, “Oswald mistook me” for a secret service agent.

    Meanwhile, Victoria Adams and a fellow employee are on the move, taking the backstairs down four flights. They do not encounter Truly&Baker on those same stairs.

    A trio of men, having abandoned their original position minutes ago, are now positioned over on the westerly side of the building. The taller one observes a white helmeted motorcycle policeman walk out of the same West elevator Dougherty had taken down to the first floor.

    The trio—in their descent down the backstairs—also do not encounter Truly&Baker.

    Meanwhile, after dashing over to the Elm Street area, where a motorcycle officer is having trouble parking his bike, Sheriff John Wiseman listens to a woman (MS) when she directs his attention to the TSBD. Moving quickly and in a deliberate manner, Sheriff Wiseman races up the backstairs all the way up to the 7th floor. He attempts to get up to the roof, but access is blocked to the roof, because it is locked. Locked. Locked. Locked.

    Meanwhile, after managing to not be seen by two female employees sharing the same stairs, in the same time and space, Truly&Baker, leave the wrongly accused, or so they say. They run up three more flights of stairs, managing to not be seen and/or heard by the trio comprising (Norman, Williams and Jarman, who just happen to be in the same area/floor Truly&Baker are headed to, or so they say).

    After managing to unlock the locked access to the roof (with a magically silent key ring that not a single soul on the same stairway heard jangling as Truly&4triesBaker charged upstairs, or so the hastily contrived script suggests), the lying duo now spend, quote, over 5 minutes on the roof, which makes it even more certain that Sheriff Wiseman would encounter them at at least three different intervals IF they been in the same space he was.

    It gets even worse for Truly&Baker. In his testimony, Truly says on their way back downstairs, Baker canvasses the 7th floor, even searching a “small storage” room (Commission Exhibit 507 puts that room quite a distance away from the elevators, thus extending even more time for an encounter with Sheriff Wiseman IF they really went to the roof and actually stayed there for over 5 minutes.

    Like they managed to do with the two females, and the trio on the 5th floor, now Truly&Baker stand at 0-6, once again managing to not encounter someone else sharing the same time and space as they claim to.

    Any objective person would find such odds overwhelmingly strange...

    Any objective person would also find the injustice in Mrs. Reid’s blatant lie about a phantom encounter with the wrongly accused.

    Any objective person would also find lies feed off other lies. Why did Mrs. Reid Lie? Why did Truly Lie? Why did 4triesBaker Lie?

    All for the same reasons, to embellish a hastily contrived script in order to FRAME an innocent human being.
    Testimony of BonnieRayWilliams:

    .http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/williams.htm

    Larry
    StudentofAssassinationResearch


  5. Default Testimony...

    Testimony of JackEdwinDougherty:

    http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/doughert.htm


    Testimony of VictoriaElizabethAdams:

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/adams_v.htm


    ​Testimony of RoySansomTruly:

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/truly1.htm
    Last edited by LR Trotter; 08-12-2017 at 07:09 AM.

    Larry
    StudentofAssassinationResearch


  6. Default HarryHolmes Testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Ford View Post
    The significance of the wrongly accused, OSWALD, using the specific term Superintendent as oppose to Supervisor separates Truly from Shelley.

    Again, great catch there, Mr. Mitcham ---->

    Holmes testified that Oswald had stated that “A police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees".

    As we reconstruct the scene that afternoon, it plays closer to the following than what we have been lead to believe within the narrow, tunnel-vision script of the Warren Commission:

    Startled suddenly, Jack Dougherty abruptly stops working on the 5th floor. He mounts the West elevator. Upon landing on the first floor, he is met by two people (fellow employee Eddie Piper and what Dougherty believes is a FBI agent, who—according to Dougherty’s testimony asks for someone in a position of authority. Dougherty offers Truly’s name and sets off to find his boss).

    As the aforementioned Dougherty is mounting the West elevator inside, outside Officer Marrion Baker steers his motorcycle off Elm Street, pulling it safely up on the curb. He sets his sights on the Dal-Tex building, reasoning like I would, that the pigeons atop the TSBD wouldn’t be anywhere near a gun toting gunman waiting up there with a lethal weapon in his hands, thus he rules out the TSBD.

    Mrs. Reid fades back into the shadows, doing all she can to avoid the chaotic scene/stampede unfolding around her, settling between the blue mailbox and the corner of Elm & Houston, where she is captured on film. Less than 24 hrs later, she will be recruited to incriminate an innocent party to FRAME him.

    Unfortunately, for her and the viper pit of liars, they overlooked this small, yet important detail, in their sinister plans to hatch a phantom 2nd floor encounter with the wrongly accused.

    Meanwhile, Ochus Virgil Campbell returns inside the TSBD. He spies the wrongly accused on the first floor. Others are in tow with him as he declares We saw him there.

    News man Pierce Allman is frantically looking for a phone. He wants his media network to break this unfolding storyline before their competitors. He asks a young man where he may find a phone. The wrongly accuse stops to assist Allman (hardly the behavior the someone guilty of anything making a hasty getaway). Allman later recalls this encounter, quote, “Oswald mistook me” for a secret service agent.

    Meanwhile, Victoria Adams and a fellow employee are on the move, taking the backstairs down four flights. They do not encounter Truly&Baker on those same stairs.

    A trio of men, having abandoned their original position minutes ago, are now positioned over on the westerly side of the building. The taller one observes a white helmeted motorcycle policeman walk out of the same West elevator Dougherty had taken down to the first floor.

    The trio—in their descent down the backstairs—also do not encounter Truly&Baker.

    Meanwhile, after dashing over to the Elm Street area, where a motorcycle officer is having trouble parking his bike, Sheriff John Wiseman listens to a woman (MS) when she directs his attention to the TSBD. Moving quickly and in a deliberate manner, Sheriff Wiseman races up the backstairs all the way up to the 7th floor. He attempts to get up to the roof, but access is blocked to the roof, because it is locked. Locked. Locked. Locked.

    Meanwhile, after managing to not be seen by two female employees sharing the same stairs, in the same time and space, Truly&Baker, leave the wrongly accused, or so they say. They run up three more flights of stairs, managing to not be seen and/or heard by the trio comprising (Norman, Williams and Jarman, who just happen to be in the same area/floor Truly&Baker are headed to, or so they say).

    After managing to unlock the locked access to the roof (with a magically silent key ring that not a single soul on the same stairway heard jangling as Truly&4triesBaker charged upstairs, or so the hastily contrived script suggests), the lying duo now spend, quote, over 5 minutes on the roof, which makes it even more certain that Sheriff Wiseman would encounter them at at least three different intervals IF they been in the same space he was.

    It gets even worse for Truly&Baker. In his testimony, Truly says on their way back downstairs, Baker canvasses the 7th floor, even searching a “small storage” room (Commission Exhibit 507 puts that room quite a distance away from the elevators, thus extending even more time for an encounter with Sheriff Wiseman IF they really went to the roof and actually stayed there for over 5 minutes.

    Like they managed to do with the two females, and the trio on the 5th floor, now Truly&Baker stand at 0-6, once again managing to not encounter someone else sharing the same time and space as they claim to.

    Any objective person would find such odds overwhelmingly strange...

    Any objective person would also find the injustice in Mrs. Reid’s blatant lie about a phantom encounter with the wrongly accused.

    Any objective person would also find lies feed off other lies. Why did Mrs. Reid Lie? Why did Truly Lie? Why did 4triesBaker Lie?

    All for the same reasons, to embellish a hastily contrived script in order to FRAME an innocent human being.
    ​Testimony of HarryHolmes:

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/holmes1.htm

    Larry
    StudentofAssassinationResearch


  7. Default DPD Officer ML Baker Testimony...

    ​Testimony of DPD Officer MarrionLewisBaker:


    [http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/baker_m1.htm

    Larry
    StudentofAssassinationResearch


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    [QUOTE=LR Trotter;120815][QUOTE=Ray Mitcham;120813]
    Quote Originally Posted by LR Trotter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Mitcham View Post
    Apologies if I upset you by saying you had mistyped "vestibule", Mr Trotter.

    I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. If you misspelled it as you said then it seems, you are not as intelligent as I thought.
    As long as my intelligence actually matches my own assessment, I am comfortable with it, and I make no claim of abundance, although I do not recall ever misspelling the abbreviation for CentralStandardTime. But, for clarification, I place no value on your judgement for the quality, nor quantity, of anyone's intelligence. And, reliance on sub par assessments can be very problematic.

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    [QUOTE=LR Trotter;120815][QUOTE=Ray Mitcham;120813]
    Quote Originally Posted by LR Trotter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Mitcham View Post
    Apologies if I upset you by saying you had mistyped "vestibule", Mr Trotter.

    I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. If you misspelled it as you said then it seems, you are not as intelligent as I thought.
    As long as my intelligence actually matches my own assessment, I am comfortable with it, and I make no claim of abundance, although I do not recall ever misspelling the abbreviation for CentralStandardTime. But, for clarification, I place no value on your judgement for the quality, nor quantity, of anyone's intelligence. And, reliance on sub par assessments can be very problematic.
    Re your evaluation of your own intelligence, I believe it is for others to decide from what you write.

    And where did I ever say you had misspelled CentralStandardTime?
    As a matter of fact neither did I misspell it. It was a mistype as I pressed both the T and the Y at the same time.

  10. Default FRAMED!

    Top of the morning to you, Mr. Mitcham, enjoy your day sir. Cheers!

    Today, let's return briefly to Sheriff Wiseman's exchange with Marilyn Sitzman, where she directs his attention to the TSBD as the source of the gunfire. As we recall from that exchange, Sheriff Wiseman races over to the TSBD, and charges up the backstairs all the way up to the 7th floor. He even tries to gain access to the roof, but discovered it was Locked.

    In the following photographs, courtesy of esteemed researcher Linda Zambeni (SP), we see evidence of Ms, Sitzman's movements from where she assisted Mr. Zapruder here ----->



    over to the corner of Elm Street & Houston, just behind motorcycle there donning same scarf as depicted in above image ----->


    Credit Linda Zambini

    These images also demonstrate that Ms. Sitzman's movements were in the same time & space sequentially with those of Victoria Adams, who just so happens to appear in the same photo above, meaning that Sherriff Wiseman's movements as he ran over to the TSBD and up the backstairs was well ahead of Sitzman taking her position here, further meaning it is more than certain Sherriff Wiseman would have encountered Truly&4triesBaker in one of several places IF they really were anywhere near the roof, let alone standing on it for over, quote, "over 5 minutes".

    Sheriff Wiseman's report does not reflect an encounter with this duo...in spite of being MUCH further ahead of Ms. Sitzman's path from her knoll position over to the corner of Elm Street & Houston. In the time it took her to move over into that position to share the same time & space as Victoria Adams, who had run immediately downstairs from the 4th floor, Sheriff Wiseman would have certainly encountered Truly & Baker in either of these three places:

    *On the 7th floor...

    *as they returned down from the Locked roof...forgive me for eye-roll here

    or, actually up there on the Locked roof that would have been unlocked IF they were really up there at all, let alone for a full five plus minutes.

    Again, their hastily contrived script didn't take into account the small, yet all important details. They failed to be seen and/or heard by 0-6 individuals who shared the same space sequentially. Unlike the plain simple truth, a lie requires a legion of lies...

    Amazing what some people will do/say for thirty pieces of silver...Mrs. Reid...Roy "I caught the world's biggest fish ever but he got away" Truly...Marrion L. "4tries" Baker.

    A hastily contrived script FRAMED an innocent human being.
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    Last edited by Alan Ford; 08-12-2017 at 04:35 PM.
    "A Lie Believed By Everybody Is Not The Truth"--unknown



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