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    If I recall correctly Linda Minor was looking closely into Bloomfield.
    Last edited by Magda Hassan; 03-12-2018 at 02:09 AM.
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    The two major assassinations [JFK and MLK] each had their strange and under-reported Canadian connections. Bloomfield might well have been connected to both. He certainly was with the JFK assassination, but remember that both 'Raoul' and the designated patsy [Ray] had travels to meet people [or had mysterious false passport of Galt] in Canada - all in the general area that Bloomfield lived in. Any idea where Linda Minor's work on Bloomfield can be found? She did great research.
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    https://quixoticjoust.blogspot.com This is her blog. I think there was also an earlier one but I cannot recall the name. There may be a link on this one.
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magda Hassan View Post
    https://quixoticjoust.blogspot.com This is her blog. I think there was also an earlier one but I cannot recall the name. There may be a link on this one.
    Look HERE for one of several of her posts related to Bloomfield and Nazis and CMC related.

    And HERE.

    And HERE.
    Last edited by Peter Lemkin; 03-12-2018 at 06:51 PM.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

  5. Default "Current Status of Activist Groups in FRANCE" 4/23/63

    https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...d-32349818.pdf


    Since we're talking France.... hopefully it will be helpful...

    DJ

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    in the strangest of places if you look at it right.....
    R. Hunter

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Josephs View Post
    https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...d-32349818.pdf


    Since we're talking France.... hopefully it will be helpful...

    DJ

    Interesting document....some interesting names...some very familiar - others not. Soutre is there and was kicked out of Dallas on 11.22.63 very quietly. The ultra-right/neo-fascist/outright-Nazis that were in league with those who planned the Dallas assassination and many other assassinations and black operations is truly one of the least known and most needed-to-be-known facts of our past - and of our PRESENT!.....
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Mr. Lemkin:

    I copied the material which you posted as pertinent information on "Centro.'" On Word, it comes to 74 pages of text and pictures.

    My purpose is to try and analyze this information from a standpoint of "new eyes." I would also like to become familiar with the issues involved in "Centro" incuding the fascists who had some involvement.

    Stay tuned.

    James Lateer

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Lateer View Post
    Mr. Lemkin:

    Like most JFK researchers, I have read most of the "information" about Louis Bloomfield, Permindex, etc.
    I can't claim any special knowledge of this--all I can add are the limited conclusions I have tentatively reached about the type of stuff in the above article:

    (1) Louis Mortimer Bloomfield was one of about 20 Jewish millionaires who established the Sonneborg Group in New York City. Although located in New York, it was called [as part of its title] "International." The list of its members has never been made public. But we know that one of them was General Julius Klein. In my opus compendium on this subject, we see that General Klein was [per Der Spiegel magazine] the "Shadow Ambassador" from West Germany to the US and was the bagman who carried the money to bribe the Senators like Thomas Dodd who backed the assassination of JFK.

    (2) The known reason the Sonneborg Group was formed was to finance the Israeli Dimona [atom bomb] project. That was the only function of the Sonneborg group that I have come across.



    James Lateeer
    James... maybe you can help me understand... I did research to deal with a book written by Piper whose main theme was the conflict between JFK and Israel's Ben Gurion over nukes as the reason Israel assisted in the assassination and found there was no support for that assumption..


    1. Are you supporting that book by PIPER?
    2. Are we still claiming that withing the BLOOMFIELD situation, ISRAEL had a hand in the assassination?



    Angleton, it turns out knew of what he spoke. In Top Secret testimony to the Church Committee Tad Szulc outlined Angleton's own account of U.S assistance to the Israeli atom bomb program.

    "I was told by one of my news sources that a situation had occurred in the 1960's in which the CIA delivered to the Israeli government classified information , technical knowledge, know-who, the services of distinguished physicists and fissionable material in the form of plutonium to assist in the development of an Israeli nuclear weapon at the Dimona Israeli Nuclear Testing grounds....
    I have raised the subject in private conversation with Mr. James Angleton in the spring of this year [April 1975]. Mr. Angleton told me that essentially this information was correct.
    ...
    Angleton corrected Szulc on two points, saying that the events had taken place in the late 1950's, after the Suez War, and that no fissionable material had been delivered. Szulc then asked Angleton "whether he could confirm that a British born scientist...Wilfrid Basil Mann...was indeed one of the scientist involved in this operation. Mr. Angleton confirmed that indeed this was the case.







    But I don't see the connection beyond BLOOMFIELD being Jewish like the rest.... and in all my research I could not find the kind of rift between JFK and Gurion that PIPER claims...

    June 14 1960 there are RUMORS from Tel Aviv Embassy the FRENCH are working with ISRAEL on atom bomb

    This is part of a 65 page collection of reports detailing the visit to Israel...






    This is a CIA report from Jan 31 1961 talking about the French assistance - no doubt the raising of the funds was a different and clandestine project....


    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...nuke013161.pdf


    Once in a while you get shown the light
    in the strangest of places if you look at it right.....
    R. Hunter

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    Mr. Peter Lemkin: I have discovered the following from your information:

    Centro Mondiale Commerciale—Mr. Peter Lemkin research on March 12, 2018

    Mr. Lemkin:

    Having read and become familiar with the material you posted about the assassination, I became very interested and found that I basically agree entirely with the theories contained in the material about Centro Mondiale Commerciale (henceforth CMC). I will list the items I agree with, then the items which I think are totally false or inaccurate and also the items which I agree with but that I analyze somewhat differently.

    I agree with:


    1. Centro Mondiale Commerciale existed and it had some activities in Rome, in Italy, in Switzerland and in South Africa.
    2. Clay Shaw was involved with CMC over a long period of time, beginning at least in 1960 and lasting until at least 1967.
    3. Other people involved included Gutierrez di Spadaforo, Carlo D’Amelio, Giuseppi Zigiotti, Ferenc Nagy, George Mandel, Mario Ceravolo, Max Hagemann, Dr. Enrico Mantello, Louis Bloomfield, Faruk Churbagi, Christa Wanniger, Principessa Marcelle Borghese and Prince Valerio Borghese.
    4. The CIA was at least somewhat involved with CMC in Italy and Switzerland.
    5. Mae Brussell learned of Nazi involvement with the JFK assassination because she lived near the Military Language Training School at Monterey, California.
    6. General Walter Dornberger, Michael and Ruth Paine, George de Mohrenschildt, possibly attorney Max Clark of General Dynamics were involved in the assassination plot.
    7. The book “Treason for My Daily Bread” written by Lebedev hits the JFK assassination nail on the head and in that respect is unique amoung JFK assassination books.
    8. Eva Peron’s money was involved in the assassination and the money-laundering of CMC and this web of organizations. Eva got the money by seizing the assets of the Germans who had been hiding in Argentia.
    9. Author T H Tetens in his book “The New Germany and the Old Nazis” at page 203 states “according to the report in the Deutsche Soldaten Zeitung, this group [of Nazis] was closely affiliated with a propaganda center in Switzerland, the Centro Europa, which carried on a world-wide campaign to bring quick freedom to Hitler’s professional mass murderers.” These were likely all part of the same enterprise in Switzerland involving secret Nazi stolen money.” This was very likely the same “Centro” referred to in both sources.


    I have a different “spin” or take on the following items:

    1. That Clay Shaw’s only important connection or job relating to the CIA was not necessarily the Trade Mart industry In Italy and/or New Orleans. He was apparently a CIA agent and would have been involved in many of their clandestine programs like Mockingbird, etc.
    2. Farenc Nagy—Ferenc Nagy was not a fascist. He was head of the Hungarian Peasant Party in Hungary. He was an extremely talented statesman, probably on the level of FDR, Hitler, Stalin, etc. Because he was head of the Peasant’s Party, this party had no parallel in the US, Germany, France or the UK since there were lots of peasants only in places like Hungary and Poland.
    3. Farenc Nagy was an enemy of both the Communists in Hungary and also the Nazi-oriented Arrow Cross Party in Hungary. Around 1948, Nagy was forced to flee to Switzerland to save his family from murder. The rumor was that he also absconded with much of the treasury of Hungary. If true, this would explain his involvement with CMC for money laundering purposes.
    4. Ferenc Nagy would have been an incredible “plum” for the CIA and he almost certainly went to work for the CIA when he left Hungary. There are two main relevant facts about his post-War activities—first, in the biography of Cardinal Spellman of New York, it was stated that Nagy was entrusted with the Crown of St. Stephen of Hungary by which a King could be crowned in the future to rule Hungary, if possible. Second, according to the Soviet Press in 1956, Nagy was used by the US to help foment the Hungarian uprising of 1956. This was almost undeniably true given the circumstances. As for the connection of Nagy to Cubans or other connections, Hungary and Eastern Europe would have been his major focus.
    5. Unlike the post-War Nazis, Nagy was not a Catholic but rather was an active leader of the Presbyterian Church in Hungary. That Church was and is run as a democracy (or Republic) and some say it was the model for US democratic government in the 1700’s. However, Nagy had two top advisors and one of them was an ordained priest who was a member of a monastic order.
    6. I have not ever seen any proof that Nagy ever lived in Dallas, where he would have lived there, what type of work he would have done in Dallas, etc. I take it as fictional that Nagy ever lived in Dallas or ever had any business there. I would welcome such proof if it exists.
    7. Although the persons named above were members of CMC, the main thrust of this membership list is German-connected ex-Nazis and not Italian fascists. Spadafora was the son-in-law of Nazi financial genius Hjalmar Schacht. Professor Max Hagemann was publisher of the far-right German Newspaper the National Zeitung, Prince Valerio Borghese who was working with the Germans as a submarine commander during the US invasion of Italy when it was occupied by the Nazis in 1943-1944. German Christa Wanniger who was described in the materials as a victim of assassination for some reason.
    8. Jacques Soustelle was named Governor General of Algeria in 1955-1956. He served in the French Parliament 1945-1946, 1951-1958 and 1973-1978. He was apparently an official member of the OAS but I believe he joined for tactical purposed working closely with de Gaulle in the Algerian Independence Crisis. I don’t think he had anything to do with the JFK assassination.


    I don’t credit, believe or see as very important any of the following facts or theories nor do I consider as provative any of these facts which I explain as follows:


    1. Major Louis Bloomfield was not part of the JFK assassination plot. Canada and the UK had no motive to murder JFK.
    2. CMC had no major function beyond money-laundering.
    3. Corsicans or other Non-Nazi people in Europe had no role in the JFK assassination. This was proven by the research done in Europe by Steve Rivele.
    4. The American-Hotel Co., the Seligman institutions, the Italo-American Hotel Corporation, the Miami Astulde Vaduz, Double-Check, Heineken’s Breweries, Israel Continental Company, and etc etc. had no role or significance in the assassination. The only exception could have been Heineken’s Breweries. The CEO of Heinikens was Dirk Stikker who was Secretary General of NATO in the early 1960’s and was certainly involved in the assassination or with the plotters.
    5. The Torbitt Document is like the “Trump Dossier.” The alleged author David Copeland never claimed to have written it, and beyond that, there is no clue where Copeland could have ever gotten this vast amount of information from just one person. The Torbitt Document was disinformation put together by some large intelligence project. It was repeated by the Executive Intelligence Review in 1981 which was run by CIA-connected Lyndon LaRouche.
    6. J. Edgar Hoover did not maintain a school of assassinations in Mexico from 1933 to 1972 or any time in between This was not in Hoover’s character until at least the late 1940’s and the idea is so preposterous that word would have spread inside the FBI, not to mention how many murders would have to have been committed and never one of them botched and failed. That’s not to say that if Clint Murchison had a giant ranch in Mexico and he was a buddy of Hoover’s, that some nefarious things didn’t happen in Mexico as a result. This school, as stated in the article was likely a school for Mexican boys’ education run by Albert Osborne (who was a real person and who was in and out of Mexico in actuality).
    7. The JFK assassination had nothing to do with the NATO stay-behind forces called Operation Gladio. There is nothing at all there regarding that theory.
    8. Clay Shaw’s main connection with the JFK assassination did not come from his work with CMC but rather from his work with General Charles O Thrasher following World War II and the recruitment of Nazis under Operation Paperclip. Shaw’s role in Paperclip is conveniently omitted in the 74 pages of the research. Since he recruited von Braun and Dornberger, that would be his connection to the JFK assassination, as well as his connection to the IG Farben Chemical case in the US Courts.
    9. Israel had nothing to do with the JFK assassination. They had the bomb well before JFK became president and JFK never threatened or interfered with the Israeli nuclear program other than

    superficially showing disapproval (which any president had to prevent nuclear proliferation).

    1. Richard Nixon was not connected to German Nazis or any such people beyond Senator Joseph McCarthy, Father Cronin, J Edgar Hoover and so on. Nixon was not part of the assassination plot although he had certainly heard about it in advance.


    THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL INFORMATION IN THE ENTIRE 74 PAGES IS THE REFERENCE TO GENERAL REINHARD GEHLEN. IT IS STATED THAT GEHLEN WAS SUPPORTING THE RIGHT-WING SOLIDARISTS IN DALLAS. AFTER 1955, GEHLEN CHANGED FROM WORKING FOR THE CIA TO FOUNDING THE WEST GERMAN BUNDESNACHRENDIENST (BND) WHICH WAS THEIR “CIA”. IF THE WHITE RUSSIANS IN DALLAS WERE IN HIS PAY, THEN THAT PROVES MY THESIS THAT THE WEST GERMAN GOVERNMENT IN COOPERATION WITH THE EX-NAZIS WORLDWIDE, PAID FOR AND ORGANIZED THE JFK ASSASSINATION.
    James Lateer

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    David:

    DO you actually have Szulc's Church Committee testimony?

    I have seen it referenced more than once but never seen the actual transcript.

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