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    Sergei Skripal is now reported by the British media to be recovering well --- following his daughters phone call. Of course, following her phone call what else could they say.

    I'm well past the Novichok explanation now. For me personally, it's pure theatre and balls. Something else poison the Skripals and the policeman (presumably) and it wasn't a military grade nerve agent.
    Wow! That is some new decapacitation agent someone has - keeps someone unable to do anything for about a month - with apparent full recovery.....sounds like a military man's dream - dose all the 'enemy' soldiers' or 'agents' and walk/sneak into the country unopposed...or pull a false-flag op. Perhaps the UK is planning on taking back their old empire with chemicals - chocolate flavored no less. If this were not so serious, it really would make great Monty Python sketch in the dead parrot genre. "They've been poisoned to death!". 'No they haven't! They'll be fine in a month, just you wait...!" "I want my money back now!" "No you'll have to wait a month and you'll see...they'll come around and be fine!".
    On the other hand, perhaps they were simply drugged in hospital? I appreciate it sounds bizarre, but more bizarre still is 3 people attacked with a military grade Novichok and all 3 of them recovering without harm.






    I thought there were witnesses to them acting sick and badly effected by something on the bench.....but it could have been administered to them in the restaurant or on the way to the bench - even self-administered [although unlikely]. Atropine is and a few other drugs are the standard first treatment for oganophosphate poisonings - but I've done some reading up on these and even the 'old' ones usually kill and if someone survives there is permanent nervous system and cognitive damage - the extent of which varies, but is never slight. IF [and this is a BIG 'if'] they were given some agent that really kept them unconscious for a month, we are now talking about the first known test of some kind of new agent and not an organophospate nerve agent....neo-novichok-light-time-release [patent applied for at Ft. Deitrich or Porton Down]
    I doubt regular staff at the hospital would have given them some other drugs or kept them unconscious, but there are intelligence agency doctors and intelligence agency staff and suites in some few hospitals....with this strange story almost anything is possible! I'd love to see some independent medical examination of the three effected persons, as there should still be both traces of the drugs given - no matter what they were and also latent nerve system effects IF it was any kind of nerve agent [which I now doubt greatly - unless it is some new kind entirely]....all the old ones were designed to kill and kill fast and did several types of damage, of which only some were reversible under the most optimal conditions [atropine administration almost immediately or medical intervention immediately knowing what the agent was and the appropriate antidotes and procedures - but even so, there would be latent damage upon survival.]
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    Interesting book on the horrible history of Porton Down (and a bit on US equivalents) [bio-warfare experiments and human experimentation of their nerve agents - often on unwitting victims, general public, and uninformed 'volunteers' or soldiers with little choice]. Title: Secret Science, A Century of Poison Warfare and Human Experiments by Ulf Schmidt, Oxford Univ. Press, 2015 ISBN 978-0-19-929979-9. Shows their history and legal / ethical basis [sic].
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    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
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    Operation Hades Blamed Russia - A Model For The 'Novichok' Claims?

    here: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04...hok-case-.html
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    The CIA has offered (we have an offer you can't refuse...) to take both the Skripal's to the US and place them in a witness protection programme.

    I bet.
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Guyatt View Post
    The CIA has offered (we have an offer you can't refuse...) to take both the Skripal's to the US and place them in a witness protection programme.

    I bet.
    Now that is downright scary. They also appear to be prisoners in the UK.

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    So the Skripals are getting better and better - and it is hinted they will likely show no signs of their 'poisoning'. Take this article with a grain of salt, as it is the Guardian - the better of the press which lean toward official versions. Make no mistake about it - many countries have eliminated spies, double-agents and even innocents who knew to much [or for no reason at all] by all kinds of means - including chemical and radioactive agents, assassination by all means and exotic methods. The USA has, the UK has, Russia has, N. Korea has, China has, Israel has, many others have - the question here is did Russia in this case; and is there any evidence they did? Also at play is whether Russia has a worse track record than the other nations I mentioned - or are there political reasons to paint them as such 'bad/worst actors'. The fact the Skripals are recovering at all - let alone 'well' to the point of complete recovery after being in coma and near death [or so we are told] for many weeks is nothing less than a miracle or a lie in some manner. In what manner is still unclear. I think we can eliminate the 'miracle' option. The policeman effected and released has certainly kept a very low invisibility and to my knowledge has given no interviews and is not planning on writing his story...he had slipped back into the shadows from whence he apparently came. Even worse, the MSM don't question this story much - which on the face of it is absurd and impossible as presented.


    Sergei and Yulia Skripal recovering as UK row with Russia intensifies



    Ex-spy’s improving condition raises prospect he will be able to give vital clues to poison attack



    Luke Harding, Andrew Rothand Ben Quinn
    Fri 6 Apr 2018 18.52 BSTFirst published on Fri 6 Apr 2018 13.46 BST

    Sergei Skripal’s poisoning has sparked a tit-for-tat diplomatic dispute between the UK and Russia. Photograph: webSergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, have become caught up at the centre of an international tussle between the UK and Russia following an announcement by doctors that the former Russian spy was getting better and was “no longer in a critical condition”.

    One month after the pair were found collapsed on a park bench in Salisbury in Wiltshire, having been poisoned with a deadly nerve agent, the hospital treating them said on Friday that they were both recovering.
    Amid reports that Viktoria Skripal, Sergei Skripal’s niece, had been denied a visa to visit the UK, news of the improvement in his condition raises the prospect that he will be able to give police vital clues as to who might have poisoned him and why.
    The testimony of the Skripals would be crucial in establishing the credibility of the government’s claim that it was “highly likely” the Russian state targeted themwith the nerve agent novichok. Moscow has waged a furious media battle in an attempt to discredit this account and will probably want to bring Yulia Skripal back to Russia.

    Sergei Skripal responding well to treatment, says Salisbury hospital – videoDr Christine Blanshard, the medical director at Salisbury district hospital, revealed the Skripals’ improving condition on Friday afternoon.

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    In a statement that she said was made in response to intense media coverage, Blanshard said Yulia Skripal’s strength was improving daily and she would be leaving hospital soon.

    She added: “I also want to update you on the condition of her father, Sergei Skripal. He is responding well to treatment, improving rapidly and is no longer in a critical condition.”
    A Foreign Office spokesman said the government was pleased that the Skripals were in better health but added: “Let us be clear, this was attempted murder using an illegal chemical weapon that we know Russia possesses.”
    The Russian embassy to the UK tweeted: “Good news!”
    According to the BBC, the government has refused to give a visa to Viktoria Skripal, who has made repeated appearances on Russian state TV in recent days and has sought to travel to Britain. She has suggested that her relatives may have been the victims of food poisoning.

    “It appears the Russian state is trying to use Victoria as a pawn,” a government source told the BBC, adding: “If she is being influenced or coerced by the Kremlin, she has become another victim.”
    In a telephone conversation apparently recorded by Viktoria Skripal in Moscow on Thursday, Yulia Skripal was asked about her father’s condition. She said: “Everything’s OK, he’s resting now, he’s sleeping. Everyone’s health is OK. No one has had any irreversible [harm].” She appeared to decline her cousin’s offer of a visit.

    It is unclear if detectives have yet had the opportunity to interview Sergei Skripal about events leading up to his poisoning. On Thursday, his daughter released a statement through the Metropolitan police in which she said she was getting stronger by the day.
    Russian diplomats have been insisting they gain access to Yulia Skripal, who is a Russian citizen. Her father has a British passport following his arrival in the UK in 2010, as part of a spy swap. On Thursday, Yulia Skripal described waking up to find herself at the centre of a global incident as “extremely disorientating”.
    The Kremlin’s strategy has been to exploit weaknesses and inconsistencies in the UK’s case. It seized on a blunder by the foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, who claimed, wrongly, that the government science facility at Porton Down had attributed the nerve agent to Russia. In fact, the attribution was based on intelligence and analysis of previous Russian state hits.

    Sergei Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, accused the UK government of engaging in “frantic and convulsive efforts to find arguments to support their indefensible position”. Photograph: Alexander Shcherbak/TASSOn Friday, Russia’s foreign ministry opened a new and surreal front in its information war. Sergei Skripal’s two guinea pigs died after the nerve agent attackfrom dehydration after his home was sealed off, the UK government said. The ex-spy’s cat was found in a “distressed” state and had to be put down.
    “What happened to these animals? Why doesn’t anyone mention them? Their condition is also an important piece of evidence,” the foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova wrote on Facebook, adding: “The more we know, the worse the picture looks.”
    The Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, accused the UK government of engaging in “frantic and convulsive efforts to find arguments to support their indefensible position” instead of producing evidence. Lavrov’s comments echoed those of Russia’s ambassador to the UN, Vassily Nebenzia, who on Thursday likened the UK’s claims to Alice and Wonderland and the TV series Midsomer Murders.
    The Skripal case bears comparison with the 2006 murder of Alexander Litvinenko, who was killed by two Russian spy agency assassins with a radioactive cup of tea. Before he died, Litvinenko had given nine hours of evidence to detectives. This proved invaluable to Scotland Yard’s investigation and shaped a public inquiry, which ruled that the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, “probably approved” the operation.
    Litvinenko’s father, Walter, blamed Putin for his son’s death. After living in exile in Italy, where he was broke and unhappy, he returned in 2012 to Russia, seemingly having struck a deal with the state.
    Last week, he appeared on Russian TV talk shows. He blamed the CIA for his son’s death and even shared a sofa with the alleged killer Andrei Lugovoi, a deputy in Russia’s Duma, who has been commenting on the Skripal case. At one point, Walter Litvinenko clasped Lugovoi warmly by the hand.
    The international alliance that has expelled 342 diplomats in solidarity with Britain is holding firm. The UK’s stand against Moscow was boosted on Friday when members of the US Congress introduced a legislative initiative to target Russian financial institutions and to reinforce US support for the UK government.

    Mike Turner, a Republican, and Joaquin Castro, a Democrat, said that they were introducing the bipartisan stand with UK against Russia violations bill in response to the attack on the Skripals.
    “The Russian government-sanctioned attack on Sergei and Yulia Skripal and Officer Nick Bailey last month on British soil violated international law and indicates Putin’s growing aggression and disregard for international standards of conduct,” said the two members of the House intelligence committee.


    What will happen now Sergei Skripal is no longer critically ill?

    “It’s imperative that the United States stands with the United Kingdom and our international partners in signalling resolve with a strong response.”
    They said the bill would target Russian financial institutions until Russia ceased the practice of assassinating expatriates and dissidents outside of Russia.
    Meanwhile, British and American authorities have been given several chemical analyses of a substance believed to be the nerve agent novichok produced in Russia’s closed Shikhany military facility.
    Boris Kuznetsov, a lawyer who fled Russia in 2007, said he had handed British diplomats the police case files from the 1995 murder of a Russian banker and his secretary with a toxic substance. Scientists have identified it as a product of the Soviet-designed Foliant programme.
    Among the documents are the results of a mass spectrometry and an infrared spectroscopy of the poisonous substance. It was scraped off a telephone receiver used by the businessman Ivan Kivelidi and his secretary. Both died in agony.



    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Lavrov drops a bombshell. The Russians have been sent a confidential report by someone at Spiez Labs, the Swiss firm chosen by the OPCW to analyse the samples taken from the Skripal's. Lavrov says these identify the nerve agent BZ Toxin. This makes far more sense than the military grade Novichok fairy-tale.

    I note that Spiez Labs have not denied Lavrov's statement but merely have said it is up to the OPCW to comment.

    From RT.com:

    Lavrov: Swiss lab says ‘BZ toxin’ used in Salisbury, not produced in Russia, was in US & UK service

    Published time: 14 Apr, 2018 14:37 Edited time: 15 Apr, 2018 06:04

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    The substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, according to Swiss state Spiez lab, the Russian foreign minister said. The toxin was never produced in Russia, but was in service in the US, UK, and other NATO states.
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    UK appears to be ‘destroying’ evidence in Skripal case – Russian envoy
    Sergei Skripal, a former Russian double agent, and his daughter Yulia were poisoned with an incapacitating toxin known as 3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate or BZ, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said, citing the results of the examination conducted by a Swiss chemical lab that worked with the samples that London handed over to the Organisation for the Prohibition of the Chemical Weapons (OPCW).
    The Swiss center sent the results to the OPCW. However, the UN chemical watchdog limited itself only to confirming the formula of the substance used to poison the Skripals in its final report without mentioning anything about the other facts presented in the Swiss document, the Russian foreign minister added. He went on to say that Moscow would ask the OPCW about its decision to not include any other information provided by the Swiss in its report.
    Lavrov said that the Swiss center that assessed the samples is actually the Spiez Laboratory. This facility is a Swiss state research center controlled by the Swiss Federal Office for Civil Protection and, ultimately, by the country’s defense minister. The lab is also an internationally recognized center of excellence in the field of the nuclear, biological, and chemical protection and is one of the five centers permanently authorized by the OPCW.
    The Russian foreign minister said that London refused to answer dozens of “very specific” questions asked by Moscow about the Salisbury case, as well as to provide any substantial evidence that could shed light on the incident. Instead, the UK accused Russia of failing to answer its own questions, he said, adding that, in fact, London did not ask any questions but wanted Moscow to admit that it was responsible for the delivery of the chemical agent to the UK.
    The Spiez Laboratory reflected on Lavrov’s words, tweeting late Saturday that only the OPCW “can comment [on] this assertion.”

    The scandal erupted in early March, when former double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were found in critical condition in the town of Salisbury. Top UK officials almost immediately pinned the blame on Russia.
    Moscow believes that the entire Skripal case lacks transparency and that the UK is in fact not interested in an independent inquiry. "We get the impression that the British government is deliberately pursuing the policy of destroying all possible evidence, classifying all remaining materials and making a transparent investigation impossible," the Russian ambassador to the UK, Alexander Yakovenko, said during a press conference on Friday.
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
    Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawn Meredith View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by David Guyatt View Post
    The CIA has offered (we have an offer you can't refuse...) to take both the Skripal's to the US and place them in a witness protection programme.

    I bet.
    Now that is downright scary. They also appear to be prisoners in the UK.
    While two Russians might like the climes of Guantanamo, or some equally horrible equivalent black site, I think they'd find it quite the come-down from the life they are now leading. One has to wonder what life they will be 'allowed' to live now in the UK...... But it WAS SO very nice of the CIA to offer anyway, wasn't it?~!

    By the way, who writes this stuff? Even the most outlandish B-level grocery store check-out counter trash spy-novel writer would never come up with such stuff.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Were the Skripals 'Buzzed', 'Novi-shocked' Or Neither? - May Has Some 'Splaining' To Do

    The Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation, Sergey Lavrov, threw a bombshell at the British assertions that the collapse of the British secret agent Sergej Skripal and his daughter Yulia on March 4 in Salisbury was caused by a 'Novichok' nerve agent 'of a type developed by Russia'. (See our older pieces, linked below, for a detailed documentation of the case.)

    • The Skripal poisoning happened on March 4.
    • Eye witnesses described the Skripals as disoriented and probably hallucinating. The emergency personal suspected Fentanyl influence.
    • A few days later the British government claimed that the Skripals had been affected by a chemical agent from the 'Novichok' series which they attributed to Russia. It insinuated that the Skripals might die soon.
    • A doctor of the emergency center at the Salisbury District Hospital publicly asserted that none of its patients was victim of a 'nerve agent'.
    • On March 14, after much pressure from Russia, Britain finally invited the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) to analyze the blood of the victims and to take environmental samples.
    • The OPCW arrived on March 19 and took specimen on the following days. It also received a share of the samples taken earlier by the British chemical weapon laboratory in Porton Down, which is only some 10 miles away from Salisbury.
    • The OPCW split the various samples it had in a certified laboratory in the Netherlands and then distributed them to several other certified laboratories for analysis.
    • One of those laboratories was the highly regarded Spiez Laboratory in Switzerland which is part of the Swiss Federal Office for Civil Protection and fully certified.
    • On April 12 the OPCW published a public version of the result of the analyses it had received from its laboratories.
    • A more extensive confidential version was given to the state members that make up the OPCW.

    During a public speech yesterday Lavrov stated of the OPCW report:
    [A] detailed and fairly substantial confidential version was distributed to the OPCW members only. In that report, in accordance with the OPCW way of conduct, the chemical composition of the agent presented by the British was confirmed, and the analysis of samples, as the report states, was taken by the OPCW experts themselves. It contains no names, Novichok or any other. The report only gives the chemical formula, which, according to our experts, points to an agent that had been developed in many countries and does not present any particular secret.
    After receiving that report Russia was tipped off by the Spiez Laboratory or someone else that the OPCW report did not include the full results of its analysis.
    According to Lavrov this is what the Spiez Laboratory originally sent to the OPCW:
    “Following our analysis, the samples indicate traces of the toxic chemical BZ and its precursor which are second category chemical weapons. BZ is a nerve toxic agent, which temporarily disables a person. The psycho toxic effect is achieved within 30 to 60 minutes after its use and lasts for up to four days. This composition was in operational service in the armies of the US, the UK and other NATO countries. The Soviet Union and Russia neither designed nor stored such chemical agents. Also, the samples indicate the presence of type A-234 nerve agent in its virgin state and also products of its degradation.
    The "presence of type A-234 nerve agent", an agent of the so called 'Novichok' series, in its "virgin state", or as the OPCW stated in "high purity", points to later addition to the sample. The 'Novichok' agents are not stable. They tend to fall rapidly apart. Their presence in "virgin state" in a sample which was taken 15 days after the Skripal incident happened is inexplicable. A scientist of the former Russian chemical weapon program who worked with similar agents, Leonid Rink, says that if the Skripals had really been exposed to such high purity A-234 nerve agent, they would be dead.
    The whole case, the symptoms shown by the Skripals and their recuperation, makes way more sense if they were 'buzzed', i.e. poisoned with the BZ hallucinogenic agent, than if they were 'novi-shocked' with a highly toxic nerve agent.
    The Spiez Laboratory responded by not denying Lavrov's claims:
    Spiez Laboratory @SpiezLab - 19:49 UTC - 14 Apr 2018Only OPCW can comment this assertion. But we can repeat what we stated 10 days ago: We have no doubt that Porton Down has identified Novichock. PD - like Spiez - is a designated lab of the OPCW. The standards in verification are so rigid that one can trust the findings. #Skipal
    Science Direct has several excerpts of reports about BZ. The basics:
    Agent 15 is also called compound 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate, BZ, or “Buzz.” It is a powerful chemical warfare agent. As one of the most potent psychoactive chemical agents, only a small amount of BZ is needed to produce complete incapacitation. When used as an aerosol, BZ is absorbed through the respiratory system (it has no odor). It can also be absorbed through the skin or the digestive system. It takes approximately 1 h for BZ to take effect, and the symptoms of exposure include confusion, tremors, stupor, hallucinations, and coma that can last for more than 2 days.
    BZ is a psycho agent 25 times stronger than LSD. It was developed by the U.S. military as an incapacitating agent. At least 50 tons were produced and filled into weapon delivery systems. It was allegedly tested on U.S. soldiers in Vietnam:
    Working with the CIA the Department of Defense gave hallucinogenic drugs to thousands of "volunteer" soldiers in the 1950's and 1960's. In addition to LSD, the Army also tested quinuclidinyl benzilate, a hallucinogen code-named BZ. Many of these tests were conducted under the so-called MKULTRA program, established to counter perceived Soviet and Chinese advances in brainwashing techniques. Between 1953 and 1964, the program consisted of 149 projects involving drug testing and other studies on unwitting human subjects. Although many human subjects were not informed or protected, Dr. Gottlieb defended those actions by stating "...harsh as it may seem in retrospect, it was felt that in an issue where national survival might be concerned, such a procedure and such a risk was a reasonable one to take."
    This is what the military tried to achieve with BZ and other psycho agents.
    BZ (and LSD) turned out to be impractical as battlefield weapons.
    According to British parliament records BZ was also produced and tested, allegedly on unknowing civilians, by the British chemical weapon laboratory Porton Down.
    The Russian Foreign Minister asserts that the OPCW suppressed the details of the Spiez Laboratory report:
    Nothing is said whatsoever about a BZ agent in the final report that the OPCW experts presented to its Executive Council. In this connection we address the OPCW a question about why the information, that I have just read out loud and which reflects the findings of the specialists from the city of Spiez, was withheld altogether in the final document. If the OPCW would reject and deny the very fact that the Spiez laboratory was engaged, it will be very interesting to listen to their explanations.
    The current Director-General of the OPCW is the Turkish carrier diplomat Ahmed Üzümcü who earlier served as the Turkish Permanent Representative to NATO.
    I have no theory how the BZ or the A-234 made it into the OPCW samples or if the Skripals were really influenced by either of these poisons or are victims of simple shellfish poisoning. Your guess is a good as mine.
    But the story the British government has so far told is full of holes and discrepancies and makes absolutely no sense at all. The suppression of the Spiez Laboratory report by the OPCW is a serious breach of its procedures.
    The British Prime Minister Theresa May, and the OPCW, have some 'splainin' to do.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Have been rather busy of late.

    Anyone wishing to stay abreast of the Skripal affair should simply daily look at Craig Murray's blog. Murray is disgracing the British media and revealing them to be incompetent at best, and compliant to the government lies of this affair at worst. The media are not conducting any sort of investigation on what the Skripal poisoning was really all about. Murray has been leading the world in doing that.

    The story coming out, following the intervention on Murray's blog by a former very famour Ministry of Defence Mandarin, Clive Ponting - who in the 1980's was prosecuted under the Official Secrets Act by the Thatcher government for giving classified documents to MP, Tam Dalyell, that revealed Thatcher's disgraceful decision to sink the Argentinian Battleship (previously part of the British naval fleet and then sold), Admiral Belgrano, with all but hands lost but a few. Ponting deployed a public interest defence in the trial and was acquitted.

    The general story that is emerging is that Sergie Skripal's handler (and recruiter), former MI6 man Pablo Miller, left the service and joined Christopher Steele's Orbis Intelligence, where he employed Skripal to help dig up some dirt for the now discredited Trump dirty (golden shower) dossier. Skripal, who has an interest in making money, threatened to sell his insider knowledge about the lies in this dossier. He was consequently poisoned with BZ that was packaged as Novichok (hence all three victims quickly and fully recovered) and the story flipped to attack Russia and Putin.

    The plotters knew that the US, UK and France were planning to conduct a major strike aimed at decapitating the Syrian military, as a last desperate measure to save their geopolitical position there. Putin called their bluff and threatened to retaliate against any platforms (warships, submarines or bases) used by the three attacking nations should one Russian be killed in the planned strike. Trump backed down using General Mattis to select lesser "token" targets that Mattis told the Russian about in advance (see the Elijah Magnier story HERE for the background on the planned attack on Syria). Thus flipping the Skripal story was intended to generate public support for the UK joining in the US and France on a major illegal on a foreign sovereign nation without approval of Parliament ( almost an exact re-run of Tony Blair's Dirty Dossier over the 2003 Iraq war).

    The whole affair is rapidly unravelling and revealing the dirty players in the media, former MI6 types, and of course Theresa May and others in the minority Conservative government that still adhere to the old, fraying "special" poodle relationship.

    Oh, and as Clive Ponting points out, the British government did issue a D Notice to bar the British media from reporting on Pablo Miller. Ponting also concludes, as I had already concluded, that the injured policeman was very likely a Special Branch officer who was Skripal's handler. The policeman very likely accidentally poisoned himself with a dose of BZ when he was spraying/poisoning both the Skripal's... This would explain why it was that Special Branch immediately took charge over the police investigation of the Skripal, affair.


    See below:

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...pal-poisoning/

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...u-not-to-look/
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
    Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14

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