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  1. #31

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    Only yesterday I pointed out a significant inconsistency with the Skripal story by posting a Daily Telegraph story of 9th March 2018 --- 20 days ago, one day short of 3 weeks - that the Novichok attack took place at the Skripal's home (see above).

    The inconsistency was this: how come a military grade version (the deadliest version) of the deadliest nerve agent in the world --- that kills within seconds --- didn't even impact either of the Skripal's for several hours? Long enough for both of them to saunter out and enjoy a lunch at Zizzi restaurant and then go for a post prandial stroll before the agent took effect and they collapsed on a park bench.

    Today, there is another glaring inconsistency.

    Firstly, I'll simply note that news that was on the front page of the Telegraph three weeks ago is today the new front page news on most British newspapers. Authorities now state that the Novichok was placed on the front door handle of Sergei Skripal's house in Salisbury.

    Those who have followed the story will recall news stories hauling away the taxi the Skripal's returned from the airport in the day before the attack. They will recall that Sergie Skripal's own car was also hauled away to Porton Down for inspection. Likewise the park bench on which they both collapsed. And, I believe, lesser items were also taken away for investigation and analysis.

    In today's telegraph newspaper blaring out three week old news as new news, we see two uniformed Plod guarding the Skripal home.

    And there in the aerial video is the Skripal's front door. Bare. Unsealed. No protective measures at all.

    The boys from propaganda central (77 Brigade I guess) have missed a trick here. By rights that door should be an ex-parrot; it should not be present (even if the nerve agent has also expired). The "Norwegian Blue" of front doors should already be sitting in Novichok gulag at Porton Down - being inspected and analysed and subject to all sorts of high-cost spectroscopes and similar machines that go ping!

    But there it sits. Whoops.

    From The Telegraph:

    Russian hit squad put poison on Sergei Skripal's front door, police believe



    SEE VIDEO ON WEBSITE

    Police: Ex-spy Skripal likely poisoned at front door



    28 MARCH 2018 • 9:11PM
    ARussian hit squad poisoned Sergei Skripal and his daughter by smearing nerve agent on his front door, police disclosed last night.
    Counter-terrorism police revealed for the first time that they believed Colonel Skripal and his daughter Yulia "first came into contact" with the Novichok nerve agent at their home.
    Scotland Yard added that the "highest concentration of the nerve agent" had been discovered on the front door of Col Skripal's home in a cul-de-sac close to Salisbury city centre.
    Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, who was also hospitalised, is thought to have become ill after going to the house and was one of the first on the scene.
    The disclosure will intensify the manhunt for the would-be assassins who had targeted Col Skripal, 66, and his 33-year-old daughter. It will also heap further pressure on the Kremlin, which is accused of being behind the attack, for putting at risk anybody who had gone to the Skripals' home.


    Police say the highest concentration of the nerve agent was found on their front door in Salisbury
    CREDIT: SOCIAL MEDIA/EAST 2 WEST
    Deputy Assistant Commissioner Dean Haydon, Senior National Coordinator for Counter Terrorism Policing, said: “At this point in our investigation, we believe the Skripals first came into contact with the nerve agent from their front door.

    "We are therefore focusing much of our efforts in and around their address. Those living in the Skripals’ neighbourhood can expect to see officers carrying out searches as part of this but I want to reassure them that the risk remains low and our searches are precautionary.

    Police wore specialist equipment to examine the front door CREDIT: ANDREW MATTHEWS/PA WIRE

    “I’d also like to thank the local community for their continued support and understanding. The unique circumstances of this investigation means that officers are likely be in the area for several weeks and months.”

    The Skripals remain in hospital in critical condition, fighting for their lives. Col Skripal was a former Russian military intelligence agent who sold secrets to MI6. He was jailed in Russia but sent to Britain as part of a spy swap in 2010.

    The Metropolitan Police said 250 counter terrorism detectives continue to work "around the clock" on the investigation, supported by experts and intelligence officers..

    Police have gathered more than 5,000 hours of CCTV and examined over 1,350 exhibits that have been seized. Around 500 witnesses have been identified and hundreds of statements taken.

    Traces of the Novichok nerve agent have been found at other sites in Salisbury, including a pizza restaurant and pub the Skripals visited before collapsing on a bench in a shopping precinct on Sunday March 4th. These were "at lower concentrations to that found at the home address".

    CCTV shows poisoned Russian spy driving hours before collapse

    Specialist search teams are starting to finish their inquiries and are handing control of sites back to Wiltshire Police, including the cemetery where Col Skripals' wife and son are buried and The Maltings shopping precinct close to where they collapsed. The inquiry will take many months. Wiltshire Police Deputy Chief Constable Paul Mills said: “The Wiltshire Police support to the Counter Terrorism Policing Network investigation remains ongoing and is likely to do so for a number of months. It is an extremely challenging investigation and police and partners continue to manage a number of unique and difficult issues.

    “As we start to see scenes handed back by the national investigation, Wiltshire Police will now work with Wiltshire Council and other partners who are leading on the recovery process to assess and agree the next steps that need to be taken to safely return sites to the public. At all times public safety will remain the number one priority for all agencies involved.

    “I would like to reiterate our thanks to the people of Salisbury for their patience and understanding. We are very aware of the impact the closure of these scenes has had on the local community and businesses and we are very grateful for the support and cooperation that has been, and continues to be, shown whilst the police investigation and recovery process takes place.”

    The attempted murder of the Skripals has plunged the UK into a diplomatic crisis with Russia.
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
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  2. #32

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    It was a bad batch.....or had special delayed action properties....or wasn't at the home on the doorknob...I find it strange that both of them would have been affected...usually when two people leave a house, only one closes the door....and the length of time it took is just too long...not to mention that even the first symptoms would not make them want to sit and eat a meal - but get medical help FAST. The story doesn't fit. Why would the policeman be at their home?! Did he have dinner with them and thus was available to 'rescue' them from the bench as we were led to believe - though affected himself. We have entered Alice in Wonderland territory with the latest explanations..... And how does one square all the different versions - poison at the restaurant - poison a power in the car ventilation - poison on the door knob or in the home; not to mention the shifting position and 'role' of the policeman.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

  3. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Guyatt View Post
    Only yesterday I pointed out a significant inconsistency with the Skripal story by posting a Daily Telegraph story of 9th March 2018 --- 20 days ago, one day short of 3 weeks - that the Novichok attack took place at the Skripal's home (see above).

    The inconsistency was this: how come a military grade version (the deadliest version) of the deadliest nerve agent in the world --- that kills within seconds --- didn't even impact either of the Skripal's for several hours? Long enough for both of them to saunter out and enjoy a lunch at Zizzi restaurant and then go for a post prandial stroll before the agent took effect and they collapsed on a park bench.

    Today, there is another glaring inconsistency.

    Firstly, I'll simply note that news that was on the front page of the Telegraph three weeks ago is today the new front page news on most British newspapers. Authorities now state that the Novichok was placed on the front door handle of Sergei Skripal's house in Salisbury.

    Those who have followed the story will recall news stories hauling away the taxi the Skripal's returned from the airport in the day before the attack. They will recall that Sergie Skripal's own car was also hauled away to Porton Down for inspection. Likewise the park bench on which they both collapsed. And, I believe, lesser items were also taken away for investigation and analysis.

    In today's telegraph newspaper blaring out three week old news as new news, we see two uniformed Plod guarding the Skripal home.

    And there in the aerial video is the Skripal's front door. Bare. Unsealed. No protective measures at all.

    The boys from propaganda central (77 Brigade I guess) have missed a trick here. By rights that door should be an ex-parrot; it should not be present (even if the nerve agent has also expired). The "Norwegian Blue" of front doors should already be sitting in Novichok gulag at Porton Down - being inspected and analysed and subject to all sorts of high-cost spectroscopes and similar machines that go ping!

    But there it sits. Whoops.
    More balls ups than at a Central Office Christmas bash. What is to be done?

    I know - promotions all round!
    "There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"

    Joseph Fouche

  4. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Lemkin View Post
    It was a bad batch.....or had special delayed action properties....or wasn't at the home on the doorknob...I find it strange that both of them would have been affected...usually when two people leave a house, only one closes the door....and the length of time it took is just too long...not to mention that even the first symptoms would not make them want to sit and eat a meal - but get medical help FAST. The story doesn't fit. Why would the policeman be at their home?! Did he have dinner with them and thus was available to 'rescue' them from the bench as we were led to believe - though affected himself. We have entered Alice in Wonderland territory with the latest explanations..... And how does one square all the different versions - poison at the restaurant - poison a power in the car ventilation - poison on the door knob or in the home; not to mention the shifting position and 'role' of the policeman.
    My precise thoughts too Pete, re contact with the door handle. It doesn't make sense. Ditto the length of time. My best guess is that it happened elsewhere.
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
    Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14

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    Btw, we learn this morning on Sky News (but nowhere else that I can find - tv or print) but in passing only, that the offending front door has now been boarded up, possibly removed. A video-copter flew over the front of the house and showed large parts of the property had been boarded over, in fact, including the front garden.

    Is anyone surprised? Not me, for one.

    The way the details on this story are being released by the authorities to an uncritical and compliant media screams agenda management not criminal investigation.
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
    Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14

  6. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Guyatt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Lemkin View Post
    It was a bad batch.....or had special delayed action properties....or wasn't at the home on the doorknob...I find it strange that both of them would have been affected...usually when two people leave a house, only one closes the door....and the length of time it took is just too long...not to mention that even the first symptoms would not make them want to sit and eat a meal - but get medical help FAST. The story doesn't fit. Why would the policeman be at their home?! Did he have dinner with them and thus was available to 'rescue' them from the bench as we were led to believe - though affected himself. We have entered Alice in Wonderland territory with the latest explanations..... And how does one square all the different versions - poison at the restaurant - poison a power in the car ventilation - poison on the door knob or in the home; not to mention the shifting position and 'role' of the policeman.
    My precise thoughts too Pete, re contact with the door handle. It doesn't make sense. Ditto the length of time. My best guess is that it happened elsewhere.
    Well, if they did get some kind of nerve poison and they were found under its effects on the bench, one can be sure that they contacted the agent NOT LONG BEFORE they got to the bench, if not on the bench they contacted it. I have not seen a timeline presented - has anyone else? So, I'd say as they were or just before leaving the restaurant; or between the restaurant and the bench [which I believe is not far from the restaurant]. Usually in such 'capers' one sees a timeline and a diagram of their movements from place to place - none are being provided and I find that suspicious - along with all the variations in events, location of said nerve agent, location of policeman, etc.

    Now they are reporting that his daughter is getting well and even talking to hospital staff......that will be one for the bio-warfare experts to write about. Few recover normal function after exposure to such agents. Nothing fits here, and the media is not doing its work to point this out....they are simply repeating and printing what 'anonymous officials' are telling them.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn


  7. #38

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    Another very interesting post on Novichok agents, who built them and who has them - or the ability to create them:

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03...ome-clean.html
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Some 'great' [sic] myth making on the 'most progressive' of the US MSM outlets. [but the best bits are British interviews]. They have a timeline and show [if a bit quickly] the path from home to park bench the Skripals took. They even question and put to rest the idea that someone else could have made a 'Russian' nerve agent. But given the fact that Skripal's daughter is getting better, one has to wonder if any nerve agent was involved at all.... look for Friday's [31st] Rachel Maddow Show http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show
    Last edited by Peter Lemkin; 03-31-2018 at 05:47 AM.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Rigby View Post

    More balls ups than at a Central Office Christmas bash. What is to be done?

    I know - promotions all round!
    Excellent news - promotion means pay rises. I'm off to the pub to celebrate!
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
    Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14

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