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    Quote Originally Posted by James Lateer View Post
    Look at the reference to Operation Zipper in this article:

    https://www.assassinationresearch.com/v1n2/regicide.pdf

    The look at the reference to Zipper in Hitler's Intelligence Chief: Walter Schellenberg by Doerries.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=Rw...olume&q=zipper

    If the JFK plot was named "Zipper" and the code-name of General Reinhard Gehlen's German spy organization was "Zipper", doesn't that add up to something?

    I am looking forward to the June 19, 2018 release of The Skorzeny Papers by Ganis and Russell. Hopefully, it will not be delayed any longer. It could have some fresh information on the JFK assassination and the relationship to Skorzeny and/or his network.

    James Lateer
    Yes that book has been delayed about five or six times. By the way, Dick Russell only wrote the Forward, he didn't contribute to the book. Also delayed [due to the 'divorce'] is the book by Albarelli. Ganis is an unknown to me. Albarelli is a known.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Lemkin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by James Lateer View Post
    Look at the reference to Operation Zipper in this article:

    https://www.assassinationresearch.com/v1n2/regicide.pdf

    The look at the reference to Zipper in Hitler's Intelligence Chief: Walter Schellenberg by Doerries.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=Rw...olume&q=zipper

    If the JFK plot was named "Zipper" and the code-name of General Reinhard Gehlen's German spy organization was "Zipper", doesn't that add up to something?

    I am looking forward to the June 19, 2018 release of The Skorzeny Papers by Ganis and Russell. Hopefully, it will not be delayed any longer. It could have some fresh information on the JFK assassination and the relationship to Skorzeny and/or his network.

    James Lateer
    Yes that book has been delayed about five or six times. By the way, Dick Russell only wrote the Forward, he didn't contribute to the book. Also delayed [due to the 'divorce'] is the book by Albarelli. Ganis is an unknown to me. Albarelli is a known.
    The Ganis book 'The Skorzeny Papers' was just delayed again - about the 8th or 9th time...now July 12, but I don't believe it will be before Fall sometime.....
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    All of this tells a person that Skorzeny was involved in the assassination--why else are things delayed, delayed, delayed. And it's not just the Skorzeny book, but also the Albarelli book.

    Skyhorse is definitedly CIA.

    James Lateer

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    Is anybody personally acquainted with Dick Russell? It is doubtful that Mr. Ganis would disclose the issue with these delays, but since Mr. Russell's name is on the book, he probably has access to the real issue here.

    I was given this book as a birthday gift last November. This is bizarre. I know my own work was delayed by two months. But I can't see any reason why you would get into mid-June 2018 and then delay more. If you get into June, as far as I know that means that Amazon or other vendors would have physical books actually in inventory.

    Do publishers have any legal obligation of good faith if they have offered a product for pre-sale? That would be an interesting thing to know about. If someone has bought on a pre-sale, I would think the publisher would be required to use good-faith efforts to fulfill the order. Otherwise, they would be subject to a legal requirement of specific performance of the contract since the buyer would not be able to fulfill the contract anywhere else.

    (Maybe everybody who visits this site should begin e-mailing Skyhorse).

    The public demands to know!!!!

    James Lateer

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    Jim, Skyhorse is not CIA. If they were bothered with soliciting and advertising and designing and preparing and promoting a book alleging Skorzeny’s involvement with the assassination, they never would have bothered to pay a designer to put together a book cover with Skorzeny front and center, let alone solicit it on Amazon.

    Non fiction works on deep politics invariably suffer pre-publication delays of some sort. I can think of around 20 that have. UK writer Chris Lightbown’s book on the JFK assassination, tentatively due this October, was originally scheduled to come out in 2013.

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    I know and am in contact with Dick Russell, and he knows nothing about the delays. That said, he had read the book [in the form it was long ago] before writing his introduction. The publisher made him promise to not detail anything in the book [standard for someone writing an intro or preface] and he has kept to that - so I have nothing more than is generally known to impart. My own research on the subject came to the conclusion on my own that there was involvement by former Nazis, in 1963 working with the CIA (as is fairly well known). That such a high profile Nazi such as Skorzeny might have been involved, and that there is perhaps some documentation on that is interesting. He would certainly fit the bill. At the time he was working with CIA and US Military special services in Operation Condor, among other similar programs. Again, I refer people to Mae Brussell's prescient article 'The Nazi Connection To the JFK Assassination'. She got it right, but new names and associations have been learned of since her piece first appeared long ago now.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    I was maybe a bit too rash in suggesting that Skyhorse is CIA. These delays may be just par for the course. Time will tell.

    Of course, we can jump the gun and discuss what the implications would be if Otto Skorzeny were QJ/WIN.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would mean Skorzeny was working face to face with Robert Kennedy for a period of time as part of ZR/RIFLE. Having read one of Skorzeny's memoirs and also a Skorzeny biography, I personally don't think Skorzeny was all that great of a planner or an assassin. I don't think he assassinated anyone while working for Hitler. He was so careful that he was able to "keep his nose clean" during the Third Reich. That meant he was put on trial by the US after the War and was exonerated.

    So you would have to wonder, if he kept clean under Hitler, would he expose himself to murder charges in 1963?

    Skorzeny's main asset was that he was terrific at promoting his "brand". Also, his main skill in operational matters was being able to think on his feet and go to plan B and plan C in real time, sometimes inventing his own Plans B and C.

    That would not be a good fit for planning the JFK assassination, since it did not involve a small team of hit-men with a leader on the ground who had to improvise. It could have, but as far as we know, it didn't.

    If Skorzeny worked for the CIA, his reputation and his "brand" would have been what the CIA was after. They, too, mostly relied upon their "brand" and didn't accomplish much in the 1950's or 1960's, in my opinion (except for the U-2 program).

    James Lateer

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Lateer View Post
    I was maybe a bit too rash in suggesting that Skyhorse is CIA. These delays may be just par for the course. Time will tell.

    Of course, we can jump the gun and discuss what the implications would be if Otto Skorzeny were QJ/WIN.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would mean Skorzeny was working face to face with Robert Kennedy for a period of time as part of ZR/RIFLE. Having read one of Skorzeny's memoirs and also a Skorzeny biography, I personally don't think Skorzeny was all that great of a planner or an assassin. I don't think he assassinated anyone while working for Hitler. He was so careful that he was able to "keep his nose clean" during the Third Reich. That meant he was put on trial by the US after the War and was exonerated.

    So you would have to wonder, if he kept clean under Hitler, would he expose himself to murder charges in 1963?

    Skorzeny's main asset was that he was terrific at promoting his "brand". Also, his main skill in operational matters was being able to think on his feet and go to plan B and plan C in real time, sometimes inventing his own Plans B and C.

    That would not be a good fit for planning the JFK assassination, since it did not involve a small team of hit-men with a leader on the ground who had to improvise. It could have, but as far as we know, it didn't.

    If Skorzeny worked for the CIA, his reputation and his "brand" would have been what the CIA was after. They, too, mostly relied upon their "brand" and didn't accomplish much in the 1950's or 1960's, in my opinion (except for the U-2 program).

    James Lateer

    Skyhorse CIA? Who knows if anyone there is? They print fiction books, story tellers, or books from authors who have some notoriety, because those books sell. God forbid you as an author give them a book filled with questions, they don't want their readers to think, they prefer the readers to believe what's being said, and taken as the 'gospel truth'.

    Some folks have the nerve to come right out and say what they think, and that will sell, but that information cannot be backed by anything other than their word, so, it's got to be the truth right? Others have proof, but ask questions, draw the readers into the story so the research doesn't stop at the gospel truth, they passed up what I freely gave away, and this person wanted to represent me as an agent? I got the impression he was just another bandwagon jumper, that is the biggest turn off for me, anyways, Skyhorse? I suppose they wouldn't know the truth if it slapped them in the face.

    You have NO idea how many folks argued with me over the phone number prefix in the state of Florida in 1963. I even posted Frank's phone number just as it was listed in my father's address book when they first met, of course at that time Frank was going by Forini, but nevertheless the proof was there, his seven digit number just as it was in 1963.

    No need to go into the rest of it, as it is, many wouldn't believe me, Skyhorse didn't get it, and as for the bandwagon jumpers, lets just say, I'm glad it didn't work out, all they cared about was money!

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