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    A Kindle version of the Ganis book is now readable as a preview on the Amazon site. You can see the contents, read Dick Russell's intro, and check out the initial pages of the volume. The full Kindle version will be available shortly, as will, I assume, the print version of the book. I think this suggests Skyhorse remains keen to bring the book to the public, rather than otherwise.

    https://www.amazon.com/Skorzeny-Pape...6-4c18a8348879

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Thorne View Post
    A Kindle version of the Ganis book is now readable as a preview on the Amazon site. You can see the contents, read Dick Russell's intro, and check out the initial pages of the volume. The full Kindle version will be available shortly, as will, I assume, the print version of the book. I think this suggests Skyhorse remains keen to bring the book to the public, rather than otherwise.

    https://www.amazon.com/Skorzeny-Pape...6-4c18a8348879

    I'm sold. It dovetails perfectly with some research I've been working on. I can confirm from my own sources yet to be published information on 'ex'-Nazis working with those who planned and carried out the JFK Assassination [and some other things.....]. Looks like a great book....!! One of Skorzeny's last acts during the War was a secret mission I know about along with Gen. Hans Kammler - who mysteriously disappeared at the end of the War. The official version has it that Kammler committed suicide on the last day of the War. For decades I have quietly been working on the Kammler story and can confirm here, now that Kammler was under control of the US Military from the end of the War. Kammler was in charge of ALL Nazi Secret Weapons and in the top ten most important men in Nazi Germany, even if his name is hardly known. I was the first person to get any US Govt. documents on Kammler and they confirmed to me the above fact. Since, I and a group I work with have found other documents confirming this. Some books will be out soon on this complex matter....but I digress....Skorzeny was also in the top tiers in Hitler's mind and later became top tier secret commando for US Intelligence. It is well known he was involved in Operation Condor with the CIA - so being involved in Dallas is hardly a big step......
    As I said, I am currently working on other 'ex'-Nazis involved in the events of Dallas. Skorzeny was not the only one.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
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    Quick thoughts after finishing the Kindle edition. It is rather short, no footnotes, however the bibliography is sufficient for the quick pace. He is relying specifically on the documents with a questioned provenance bought at auction for linkage to the JFK material. Without the documents being reviewed further I am hesitant about any of the conclusions or speculations. The cottage industry of fake German documents and stories has only gotten stronger since '45 and more since the compromised version of the interagency work group closed up shop.

    There were glaring omissions from Skorzeny's biography that made those portions more hagiographic than needed. The operations of KG-200 with proxy linkage to the Kammler material is within the text albeit never mentioned directly in regards to evacuation and post war planning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathaniel Richerson View Post
    Quick thoughts after finishing the Kindle edition. It is rather short, no footnotes, however the bibliography is sufficient for the quick pace. He is relying specifically on the documents with a questioned provenance bought at auction for linkage to the JFK material. Without the documents being reviewed further I am hesitant about any of the conclusions or speculations. The cottage industry of fake German documents and stories has only gotten stronger since '45 and more since the compromised version of the interagency work group closed up shop.

    There were glaring omissions from Skorzeny's biography that made those portions more hagiographic than needed. The operations of KG-200 with proxy linkage to the Kammler material is within the text albeit never mentioned directly in regards to evacuation and post war planning.
    I have my own sources on the Skorzeny-Kammler project. Sorry to hear there are not footnotes. I hope there will be in Albarelli's book on the same topic. The two started out being co-authors, but at some point had a parting of the ways, and it turned into two books. I have not yet read more than the preview available of the e-book version, but do know before this book that Skorzeny worked with and for CIA and Mil. Intel. [off the books]. He was used front and center in Operation Condor; they got him out of jail; he was just about the only prominent Nazi after the War who could march around openly in Europe [and elsewhere] without any fear of arrest or reprisal. His wife was daughter of the Reich's most prominent banker, and he was head of die spinne [the movement, and supply long after movement, of Nazis from Europe to S. America and elsewhere]. Skorzeny was even in contact with Kammler's wife long after Kammler had 'disappeared'...... that he was QJ/WIN I find fits like a glove. As to the provenance of the papers I welcome skepticism, but from what I've heard so far they are real. Yes, fake Hitler documents and other such have been known before - and quickly and easily shown to be fakes. Ganis I had never heard of before. I know Albarelli and find it very hard to imagine him being fooled on such an important topic. This will be his second book on the JFK assassination - but he has been a student of the subject deeply for a long time. In his last book he devoted a chapter to the strange but true story of Adele Edisen - one of the more amazing and hardly known stories of pre-knowledge of the assassination. I knew Adele very well - and that story is 100% true, even if no one else has written about it in a book. You will find her own telling of her story right here on this Forum, on which she participated until she became ill and died. I, myself, have most all of the NARA documents on Skorzeny - they alone tell a very strange tale of his connections with top level spooks and his get-outta-jail free cards. Skorzeny was entrusted after the War with the disposition of much of the Nazi gold and stolen wealth from Europe. So, he was independently wealthy and disbursed HUGE amounts of money to various Nazis, fascist groups, covert projects, the Perons [who's money was in their names - but mostly for use of Nazis in Argentina and other S. American countries]..etc. I could go on and on. Skorzeny was in Egypt at times helping Egypt build up its rocket program, along with a host of Nazi rocket scientists who were then there. Skorzeny strangely was one of the few persons of any kind who had friends in both the West and the Eastern bloc and could travel back and forth without any problems - and did! There is much more to the story of Skorzeny post-War than has been told in the 'history' books.....
    Last edited by Peter Lemkin; 06-27-2018 at 05:18 AM.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Currently, I'm trying to get up to speed on the CIA murder plots, whether it be CIA/Mafia, Mongoose or ZR/RIFLE. There don't seem to be any available books written on that particular subject as such. At least not easily available, by respected authors or available in libraries. And not that combine all three operations into one book.

    As for QJ/WIN, it seems that if QJ/WIN were really Skorzeny, then the way he is discussed by the HSCA (like he was an ordinary fixture in the US Government and Washington) is totally amazing (if it's true). Keep in mind that the Church Committee was chaired by one of the most liberal Senators of all time, given his treatment of CIA secret ops. I don't know how Congressmen would be reporting on Skorzeny like that, as if his activities were everyday stuff.

    The following is from the HSCA report:

    Page 183
    ...(769) Seth Kantor, in his book “Who Was Jack Ruby?,” identifies
    Davis as Thomas Eli Davis III.(751) According to Kantor, Ruby
    allegedly told his first lawyer, Tom Howard (deceased), that he had
    intended to be in a regular gunrunning business with Davis.(752)
    Kantor also alleged that Davis was in jail in Algiers at the time of
    the President's assassination(753) and was bailed out by QJ/‘WIN,
    a CIA employee.(754) Kantor also stated that Davis was killed in
    September 1973 while stealing copper wire from an abandoned rock
    crusher site in Wise County, Tex. (755)
    (770) A review of Davis’ FBI file indicates that in June 1958, Davis
    attempted to rob a bank in Detroit for which he received 5 years pro
    bation.(756) Davis’ probation supervision was transferred on Octo
    ber 7, 1958, to the U.S. Probation Oflice in Fort Worth, Tex., and
    again on September 20, 1960, to the Probation Office in Beaumont,
    Tex.(757) His probation was terminated on February 21, 1962.(758)
    (771) An FBI memorandum, dated June 25, 1963, reports that Davis…

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    ...(772) A May 1963 airtel to the SAC in Los Angeles from the
    Director of the FBI advised that the “CIA through liaison channels”
    had informed the Bureau “that the matter designated in airtel was not
    a CIA operation.”(760) This airtel was probably referring to Davis’
    actions discussed in the above FBI memorandum.
    (773) The FBI file reflects that the Bureau received several State
    Department telegrams in December 1963 that concerned Davis.
    (761) An FBI memorandum, dated December 20, 1963, to the
    Deputy Assistant Secretary of State states:

    Reference is made to the incoming telegram received by
    your Department on December 10, 1963, from Tangier,
    Morocco, your control number 6690. It was stated therein
    that Thomas Eli Davis, Jr., was being held by the Moroccan
    National Security Police because of a letter in his handwriting
    which referred in passing to Oswald...

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    ...whom Ruby referred was Thomas Eli Davis III, or that Ruby was
    going into the gunrunning business with him. It was also not possible
    to determine if a CIA employee, QJ/WIN, assisted in the release of
    Davis from the Moroccan jail. QJ/WIN’s CIA file was reviewed but
    revealed nothing about Davis. The committee made no effort to
    interview QJ/WIN, whose role in the CIA’s assassination planning
    apparatus, code-named “Executive Action,” was detailed in the report,
    “Alleged Assassination Plots Involving Foreign Leaders,” of the
    Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in 1975.
    Meeting with the Fox brothers
    (777) During his Warren Commission testimony, Ruby…

    It is obvious that QJ/WIN was involved in gun-running and that fits with Skorzeny. But Skorzeny was not one who worked alone. He was part of his ex-Nazi network. Were they all working on an everyday basis with both the CIA and Congressional Committees as it looks like in the above quotes?

    I still have questions in my mind about the role of Heinrich Muller, former Gestapo Chief under Hitler. His "journals" edited by Gregory Douglas are considered forgeries. But Muller clearly survived WWII and circumstantially, it seems like Muller was working for the US government at some times, at least.

    The above seems to hint that Jack Ruby was involved with Skorzeny. That would explain why Ruby knew Nazis had killed JFK and how he was acting because of Jewish outrage against Nazis when he killed Oswald.

    My copy of the Skorzeny Papers by Ganis is on order. Can't wait.

    James Lateer

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    I just finished reading the posting by Mr. Lemkin of the Bill Kelly article on Valkyrie, etc. and the JFK assassination.

    The part that blew me away the most was the fact that the TSBD owner D. H. Byrd on 11-22-63 was on an African Safari with German nobleman Baron von Alvensleben. This was the son of a Valkyrie plotter. I guess I have never connected this up before.

    And why would someone like Alvensleben who could afford an African Safari be trying to shoot, say, a rhinoceros, with a $12.50 Mannlicher-Carcano rifle? These facts on their face are ludicrous and if there were any need of proof of the involvement of worldwide Nazis and/or the West German Government in the assassination, this would be incredible icing on the cake.

    I wish I knew about this when I listed my 71 items of circumstantial evidence in the Three Barons. Actually, I could put together a sequel called Three More Barons with this new connection. Baron Heinrich von Brentano and Baron Jean de Menil would the the three new ones. So that makes six Barons. Ridiculous.

    On a side note, I am learning a great deal about West Germany and specifically Adenauer. A biography which I just finished states that there was a "crisis" in German-American relations in 1963. After reading it, I will stand by my suspicion that Adenauer was involved in the JFK plot along with former Nazis like Otto Skorzeny and Hans Globke. But there were lots of other high-ups who might have given the order like Ludwig Erhard, and most suspicious of all, former Defense Minister Franz Josef Strauss of Bavaria.

    As I have stated elsewhere in this space, it is becoming impossible for me to analyze the situation with the ex-Nazis and not delve into the bizarre religious history of Germany which is mostly not taught or even mentioned and is an unknown factor here in the US. The fugitive Nazis were helped out after the War by Bishop Hudal and many others. Of course they didn't just help Catholic Nazis.

    Adenauer was formerly a top official in the Germany Center Party, a purely Catholic political party which mostly dominated German politics from 1870 to 1933. It may be that when Adenauer retired in October, 1963 and Erhard took over, it may have provoked an international confrontation which pitted the Catholic US President and European Catholics and other anti-Communist fanatics against each other (including the Russian Orthodox Church, too). And you might throw in anti-Communist extremists like J Edgar Hoover, James O. Eastland, etc. etc.

    I kind of looks like the dam is breaking on this Valkyrie connection to the JFK plot and even more new information may be coming out. What is the name of the Bill Kelly book that it coming out?

    Thank goodness for this new and revealing information. Maybe in our lifetimes, the JFK case will be solved.

    James Lateer

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Lateer View Post

    The part that blew me away the most was the fact that the TSBD owner D. H. Byrd on 11-22-63 was on an African Safari with German nobleman Baron von Alvensleben. This was the son of a Valkyrie plotter. I guess I have never connected this up before.

    And why would someone like Alvensleben who could afford an African Safari be trying to shoot, say, a rhinoceros, with a $12.50 Mannlicher-Carcano rifle?
    James Lateer
    He wasn't. Alvensleben used a far more capable Mannlicher model - the Mannlicher-Schonauer

    See: https://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2015/10/

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