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    Two references to "510 E. Jefferson" show up in CE 705. The first, by an unknown speaker, is heard on the c-span tape. The second is spoken by the dispatcher.
    This is wrong. My mistake, both references do not show up in CE 705.

    From p.26 of the Russ Shearer channel 1 transcript:
    898. CITIZEN: Hello, police operator?
    899. DIS: Go ahead. Go ahead, citizen using the policeradio.
    900. CITIZEN: There's been a shooting out here.
    901. DIS: Where's it at?
    902. DIS: The citizen using the police radio...
    903. CITIZEN: Tenth Street.
    904. DIS: What location on Tenth Street?
    905. CITIZEN: Between Marsaliis and Beckley. It's a police officer. Somebody shot him. What--what's...404 Tenth Street.
    906. DIS: Can you hear me?
    907. (Man and woman's voice in background)
    908. DIS: 78.
    909. CITIZEN: It's a police car, number 10.
    910. DIS: 78.
    911. DIS: (?)78.
    912. CITIZEN: Got that?
    913. CITIZEN: Hello, police operator. Did you get that?
    914. DIS: Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 East Jefferson.
    http://www.billdrenas.com/articles/dpd01-00.pdf

    A fragment missing from 913 appears in CE 705 (p.408):
    Citizen: Hello, police operator, did you get that? (Some other unknown voice came in with "a police officer, 510 E. Jefferson").

    The unknown voice is heard in the c-span documentary. Surprisingly, CE 705 lacks the subsequent signal 19 message (Shearer's 914), which adds to the complications. In the first instance (Shearer) it is absurd that the dispatcher would issue a signal 19 with the wrong address, in the second (CE 705) inexplicable that there's no signal 19 at all, only a general broadcast on channel 2 with the correct location.

    Two references to "510 East Jefferson" appear in CE 1974, first attributed to the same citizen caller who had given the correct address ("404 Tenth Street"), second to the dispatcher in the subsequent signal 19 transmission.
    Last edited by Milo Reech; 11-28-2018 at 02:18 PM.

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    An article at Mary Ferrell's website has much to say about the operation of DPD's dictaphone system.
    https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Es...d_History.html

    For example, there was a built-in dead air pause and sound actuation system, which is why applying a stopwatch to the tape to determine intervals is a waste of time.

    "A significant aspect of these recordings is that as a part of radio protocol the radio dispatcher would append a time notation to his broadcasts. This was especially significant because recorded time is not actual time because of the sound actuation feature."

    It explains why the dispatchers were obliged to use the primitive system of reporting the actual time based on clocks that may have been as much as two minutes out-of-sync with each other.

    "The Ch-1 dispatchers were on opposite sides of a large radio console which provided them with the means of maintaining radio contact with the hundreds of patrol units simultaneously. Each dispatcher had his own digital clock for the purpose of making the time notations. The Ch-2 dispatcher had a separate console and his own clock. According to JC Bowles, who provides a detailed account of the communications department operation, these clocks were regularly synchronized with one another and with a master analog wall clock. The wall clock was synchronized to official time once a month. All of these clocks should have been within one minute of one another, but may have been as much as two minutes apart."

    If the wall clock had been synchronized on the first of the month no telling how far it was off by the 22nd, but this information is lacking.

    Here's a 46 minute audio potpourri of channel one transmissions.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaL-dnXCOPs

    The relevant part for this discussion begins at 40:55 ("Hello, police operator?"). The eventual "a police officer, 510 E. Jefferson" follows at 41:29 but the dispatcher's "Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 East Jefferson" is missing. We know he made this announcement because he later refers to it: "91 (MENTZEL), have a signal 19 (shooting) 400 East 10th. Suspect last seen running west on Jefferson. No description at this time." (WC 1974 p.57) Note use of the correct address in this version.

    The second citizen's "Hello, hello, hello" can be heard at 41:44. Others whose judgments cry in the top of mine may detect a trace of a Mexican/Latin/hispanic accent. I hear nothing of the sort.

    Hastening back to the inexplicable "510 East Jefferson," did the address actually exist? See attached CE-1968 with various landmarks indicated. There's a long stretch of vacancy between Johnnie Reynolds used car lot at 500 East Jefferson and the library at Turner Plaza, with only a single structure intervening, left of "510?," looks like a modest house. If this is 510 East Jefferson why & how did it get inserted into the citizen's dialogue with the dispatcher? If not it means there was nothing at 510 East Jefferson which would make its appearance on the tape that much more mysterious.

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    Last edited by Milo Reech; 11-29-2018 at 05:33 PM.

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    The relevant part for this discussion begins at 40:55 ("Hello, police operator?"). The eventual "a police officer, 510 E. Jefferson" follows at 41:29 but the dispatcher's "Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 East Jefferson" is missing. We know he made this announcement because he later refers to it: "91 (MENTZEL), have a signal 19 (shooting) 400 East 10th. Suspect last seen running west on Jefferson. No description at this time." (WC 1974 p.57) Note use of the correct address in this version.

    The second citizen's "Hello, hello, hello" can be heard at 41:44. Others whose judgments cry in the top of mine may detect a trace of a Mexican/Latin/hispanic accent. I hear nothing of the sort.

    Hastening back to the inexplicable "510 East Jefferson," did the address actually exist? See attached CE-1968 with various landmarks indicated. There's a long stretch of vacancy between Johnnie Reynolds used car lot at 500 East Jefferson and the library at Turner Plaza, with only a single structure intervening, left of "510?," looks like a modest house. If this is 510 East Jefferson why & how did it get inserted into the citizen's dialogue with the dispatcher? If not it means there was nothing at 510 East Jefferson which would make its appearance on the tape that much more mysterious.
    I'm sorry Milo but I am not hearing what you are hearing... The following comes from my DPD transcripts and matches exactly what they are saying...



    In fact... each of these sections is shaded to indicate they had recordings we could listen to... the rest of the dialogue must be there too, yet this collection is just spliced together

    You can follow along with this text starting at 40:23:

    12:47 95 (Ptm. M.N. McDonald and Ptm. T.R. Gregory) What's going on?

    12:47 Dispatcher Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male, thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time.

    Followed by:

    12:54 Dispatcher 78
    12:54 78 (Ptm. J.D. Tippit) 78
    12:54 Dispatcher You are in the Oak Cliff area, are you not?
    12:54 78 (Ptm. J.D. Tippit) Lancaster and Eighth.
    12:54 Dispatcher You will be at large for any emergency that comes in.
    12:54 78 (Ptm. J.D. Tippit) 10-4.


    taking us to 40:55

    1:16 Bowley Hello, police operator?
    1:16 Dispatcher Go ahead. Go ahead, citizen using the police radio.
    1:16 Bowley There's been a shooting out here.
    1:16 Dispatcher Where's it at?
    1:16 Dispatcher The citizen using the police radio . . .
    1:16 Bowley Tenth Street.
    1:16 Dispatcher What location on Tenth Street?
    1:16 Bowley Between Marsalis and Beckley. It's a police officer. Somebody shot him. What -- what's . . . 404 Tenth Street.
    1:16 Dispatcher Can you hear me?
    1:16 (Man and woman's voices in background)
    1:16 Dispatcher 78
    1:16 Bowley It's in a police car, number 10.
    1:16 Dispatcher 78
    1:16 ???? not Dispatch or Tippit 78
    1:16 Bowley Got that?
    1:16 Bowley Hello, police operator. Did you get that?
    1:16 Dispatcher Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 E. Jefferson.
    1:16 Bowley Thank you.
    1:16 35 (Ptm. J.M. Lewis) 35
    1:16 259 (unknown) 259
    1:16 Dispatcher The citizen using the police radio: Remain off the radio now.
    1:16 Dispatcher 91

    The eventual "a police officer, 510 E. Jefferson" follows at 41:29 but the dispatcher's "Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 East Jefferson" is missing
    This is where we conflict Milo... I only hear one instance of "510 E Jefferson" at 41:29 in response to Bowley asking "did you get that?"
    After Dispatch says "what location on 10th St" we get voices and someone says "404 10th"

    What I do not hear is the "ATTENTION. Signal 19" part of that statement... but then "Did you get that" is said over the beginning of the Dispatcher's sentence




    at 41:24 Dispatch says : "78" and a different voice gets on the line and says "78"... that being Tippit's call sign.... a different dispatcher?
    this ends at 41:42...

    41:43:
    1:19 Ted Callaway Hello, hello, hello.
    1:19 602 (ambulance) 602
    1:19 Ted Callaway? Pardon, from out here on Tenth Street, 500 block. This officer just shot. I think he's dead.
    1:19 Dispatcher 10-4. We have that information. The citizen using the radio: Remain off the radio now.


    this is followed by:

    1:19 Dispatcher 91, have a signal 19 west involving a police officer at 400 East Tenth. Suspect last seen running WEST on Jefferson. No description at this time. (Pause) Suspect just passed 401 E Jefferson.
    1:19 91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson) 10-4.
    1:19 85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker) 85
    1:19 Dispatcher 85
    1:19 85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker) I just called.
    1:19 Dispatcher Give us the correct location on it, 85. We have three different locations.
    1:19 85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker) I don't see anything on Jefferson yet.
    1:19 Dispatcher 10-4. Check 501 East Tenth at Denver.
    1:19 85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker) 10-4.


    then: which ends at 42:48

    1:22 85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker) 85
    1:22 Dispatcher 85
    1:22 85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker) We have a description on this suspect over here on Jefferson. Last seen about 300 block of East Jefferson. He's a white male, about thirty, five eight, (siren) black hair, slender, wearing white jacket, a white shirt and dark slacks. (Sirens)
    1:22 Dispatcher Armed with what?
    1:22 85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker) Unknown.


    What comes next is only a piece of the shaded transcripts... the video recording ends with the Dispatcher's question... the entire bit with Nelson is gone

    1:24 Dispatcher Wanted for investigation for assault to murder on a police officer: A white male; approximately thirty; about five foot eight; slender build; has black hair; a white jacket; a white shirt and dark trousers. The suspect last seen running west on Jefferson from 400 East Jefferson. 1:24
    1:24 Dispatcher Does anybody know the condition of the officer?
    1:24 Dispatcher 60
    1:24 87 (Ptm. R.C. Nelson) 87. (Siren)
    1:24 Dispatcher 87
    1:24 87 (Ptm. R.C. Nelson) Was that 4340 West Davis?
    1:24 Dispatcher Yes.
    1:24 87 (Ptm. R.C. Nelson) 10-4.
    1:24 Dispatcher Somebody pulled in there and bought some gas; driving a white Pontiac '61 or '62 station wagon with the prefix P(ecos) E(llis). He had a rifle laying on the seat.
    1:24 87 (Ptm. R.C. Nelson) 10-4.
    1:24 Dispatcher Have a citizen following this car at this time, unknown direction.

    43:12
    1:25 279 (unknown) 279
    1:25 Dispatcher 279
    1:25 279 (unknown) We believe we've got this suspect on shooting this officer out here. Got his white jacket. Believe he dumped it on this parking lot behind this service station at 400 block East Jefferson across from Dudley Hughes and he had a white jacket on. We believe this is it.
    1:25 Dispatcher 10-4. You do not have the suspect. Is that correct?
    1:25 279 (unknown) No, just the jacket, laying on the ground.

    and once again these recording excise #87 NELSON... although in these transcripts... the three mentions of 87 are not on this recording.
    this ends at 44:16
    1:26 75 (Ptm. E.G. Sabastian) 75
    1:26 Dispatcher 75
    1:26 75 (Ptm. E.G. Sabastian) NBC News is reporting DOA.
    1:26 Dispatcher That's correct.
    1:26 75 (Ptm. E.G. Sabastian) That the officer?
    1:26 Dispatcher Yes.
    1:26 87 (Ptm. R.C. Nelson) 87
    1:26 19 (Sgt. C.B. Owens) Garbled
    1:26 Dispatcher No, that's not correct, 19.
    1:26 What officer was it?
    1:26 Dispatcher J.D. Tippit.
    1:26 87 (Ptm. R.C. Nelson) 87
    1:26 Dispatcher 87



    1:34 221 (Ptm. H.W. Summers) 221
    1:34 Dispatcher 221
    1:34 221 (Ptm. H.W. Summers) Might can give you some additional information. I got an eye-ball witness to the get-away man. That suspect in this shooting is a white male, twenty-seven, five feet eleven, a hundred sixty-five, black wavy hair, fair complected, wearing a light grey Eisenhower-type jacket, dark trousers and a white shirt, and (. . . ?). Last seen running on the north side of the street from Patton, on Jefferson, on East Jefferson. And he was apparently armed with a 32 dark-finish automatic pistol which he had in his right hand.
    1:34 Dispatcher 10-4. For your information, 221, they have the suspect cornered in the library at Marsalis and Jefferson.
    1:34 221 (Ptm. H.W. Summers) 10-4. This man can positively identify him if they need him.
    1:34 Dispatcher 10-4. They do have the suspect under arrest now.
    1:34 221, hang on to your witness.
    1:34 Dispatcher Hold on to him.
    1:34 19 (Sgt. C.B. Owens) 19
    1:34 Dispatcher 19
    1:34 19 (Sgt. C.B. Owens) It was the wrong man.
    1:34 Dispatcher 10-4.
    1:34 Dispatcher Disregard all the information on the suspect arrested. It was the wrong man.


    45:33
    1:44 79 (Ptm. B.N. Arglin) 79
    1:44 Dispatcher 79
    1:44 79 (Ptm. B.N. Arglin) I'm here at 19's location. Any message for him?
    1:44 Dispatcher 10-4. We have information that a suspect just went in the Texas Theater on West Jefferson.
    1:44 79 (Ptm. B.N. Arglin) 10-4.
    1:44 Dispatcher Supposed to be hiding in the balcony.
    1:44 79 (Ptm. B.N. Arglin) 10-4.
    1:44 85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker) 85 out that way.
    1:44 Dispatcher 10-4.

    1:46 9 (Insp. J.H. Sawyer) 9. We have a man we would like to have you pass this up on to the CID to see if we can pick this man up. Charles Douglas Givens, G-I-V-E-N-S. He's a colored male, thirty-seven, six foot three, a hundred sixty-five pounds. He has an ID number in the Sheriff's Department, 37954. He's a porter that worked on this floor up here. He has a police record and he left.
    1:46 492 (CID) 492, out Texas Theater.
    1:46 Dispatcher 10-4, 9.


    and the tape ends
    Once in a while you get shown the light
    in the strangest of places if you look at it right.....
    R. Hunter

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    Default Tippit and Oswald

    At 1:16, they had a report that Tippit was shot. But they only mentioned Oswald as being in the Texas Theater at 1:44. I thought that when witnesses arrived at the scene of the Tippit shooting, they were very soon told by a shop owner fronting on the Tippit murder scene that LHO was walking toward the Texas Theater.

    The Texas Theater was not that far from the Tippit shooting. Why would there be a 28 minute interval between the shooting of Tippit and the police finding Oswald at the Theater?

    Also, Tippit was contacted by the dispatcher at 12.47. But he was shot at 1:16. Was Tippit just sitting still in his car at the same place at Oak Cliff for 29 minutes? Or was Tippit driving around Oak Cliff for the 29 minutes?

    Why would Tippit (if he was) just sitting still for 29 minutes? And what were the other police doing for the fairly long interval between 12:47 and 1:16 when Tippit was shot? If there was reason for Tippit to either be stationary or driving around Oak Cliff at this time, why weren't other squad cars engaged in the same pattern of activity as was Tippit?

    One could argue that the plotters thought Oswald would arrive at 10th and Patton and kill Tippit at or near 12:47. The fact that it took another 29 minutes to kill Tippit would mean that LHO was not proceeding directly to the Tippit scene OR to the Texas Theater, but maybe LHO spent that time trying various avenues of escape. The house that is mentioned for no reason may have been a safe house for Cubans. Maybe during this interval, Oswald tried to go to a safe house.

    Probably, Oswald had been assured by the plotters that if he met somebody at a certain place between the TSBD and the Tippit shooting, he would be aided in an escape. He probably got there and nobody was there or the door was locked, etc.

    LHO probably then went from this safe house or meeting place and then to the Texas Theater and never went near the Tippit shooting. Of course, we think he went to his rooming house to pick up his gun. But the rooming house was on the route to the Tippit murder, so that wouldn't have taken 29 minutes. How long was he at the rooming house?

    I have always believed that going to the Texas Theater was a strategy invented by Oswald himself, where there were witnesses who could see if the police tried to shoot him in cold blood.

    That strategy worked (at least for the short term).

    James Lateer

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Lateer View Post
    At 1:16, they had a report that Tippit was shot. But they only mentioned Oswald as being in the Texas Theater at 1:44. I thought that when witnesses arrived at the scene of the Tippit shooting, they were very soon told by a shop owner fronting on the Tippit murder scene that LHO was walking toward the Texas Theater.

    You are referring to BREWER from the shoe store next to the theater who did not say anything until much closer to 1:44... But please remember these times are complete BS and truly cannot be used for much...

    Tippit was shot at 1:07 as Markham, Bowley and the rest of the witnesses state...
    There is a 3 minute break in the film between 1:04 and 1:07.


    The Texas Theater was not that far from the Tippit shooting. Why would there be a 28 minute interval between the shooting of Tippit and the police finding Oswald at the Theater?

    Now THAT is a great question James. Butch Burroughs sells an OSWALD popcorn just a bit after 1pm...
    It is about 6/10th of a mile or a 15-20 walk from Tippit to the theater.

    Also, Tippit was contacted by the dispatcher at 12.47. But he was shot at 1:16. Was Tippit just sitting still in his car at the same place at Oak Cliff for 29 minutes? Or was Tippit driving around Oak Cliff for the 29 minutes?

    http://harveyandlee.net/Tippit/Tippit.html . http://harveyandlee.net/November/TippittMurder.html
    These 2 links illustrate what Tippit did in that last hour of his life and what members of the DPD who were not supposed to be involved but were, did in that hour and the hour afterward.
    Tippit was killed 10 minutes earlier.


    Why would Tippit (if he was) just sitting still for 29 minutes? And what were the other police doing for the fairly long interval between 12:47 and 1:16 when Tippit was shot? If there was reason for Tippit to either be stationary or driving around Oak Cliff at this time, why weren't other squad cars engaged in the same pattern of activity as was Tippit?

    Read the articles first.... what one could argue and what would one believe has little bearing on the actual facts.... or the way the evidence was FUBAR'd... I can't work with "probably's"... I like to cross-reference the evidence to find the conflicts and corroboration... and determine what's real and what isn't.

    Tippit being sent to Oak Cliff leaves his area unpatrolled.... why is Oak Cliff more important than areas 78 and 87?
    Why do they send patrol cars miles away - like 87 to 4340 W Davis - when the patrol car for that area was still there?




    One could argue that the plotters thought Oswald would arrive at 10th and Patton and kill Tippit at or near 12:47. The fact that it took another 29 minutes to kill Tippit would mean that LHO was not proceeding directly to the Tippit scene OR to the Texas Theater, but maybe LHO spent that time trying various avenues of escape. The house that is mentioned for no reason may have been a safe house for Cubans. Maybe during this interval, Oswald tried to go to a safe house.

    The safe house they are discussing James, is the one behind 1026 Beckley








    As I say... "Probably" is a fun game and good for conversation... but not for conclusions here... IMO.

    Probably, Oswald had been assured by the plotters that if he met somebody at a certain place between the TSBD and the Tippit shooting, he would be aided in an escape. He probably got there and nobody was there or the door was locked, etc.

    LHO probably then went from this safe house or meeting place and then to the Texas Theater and never went near the Tippit shooting. Of course, we think he went to his rooming house to pick up his gun. But the rooming house was on the route to the Tippit murder, so that wouldn't have taken 29 minutes. How long was he at the rooming house?

    I have always believed that going to the Texas Theater was a strategy invented by Oswald himself, where there were witnesses who could see if the police tried to shoot him in cold blood.

    Why, at the theater, would Oswald believe he would be shot? He hadn't done anything wrong that day other than leaving work like a handful of others.

    You may not be aware, but when Oswald got to the theater he first went to the Balcony, then he went by each person in the theater.

    I hope you enjoy learning more about the Tippit situation and the mysterious travels and testimonies of people like WESTBROOK & CROY.
    Cheers
    DJ

    (Click here to see YouTube interview with Burroughs.) HARVEY purchased popcorn from Burroughs at 1:15 PM and then walked into the lower level and took a seat next to a pregnant woman. Within a few minutes both Oswald and the woman got up from their seats. Oswald walked into the concession area and then back into the lower level and took a seat next to Jack Davis in the first row on the right side. Davis remembered that Oswald was sitting next to him, in the near empty theater, as the opening credits to the movie began (a few minutes before 1:20 PM). After sitting next to Davis for a few minutes, Oswald got up and walked past empty seats to the small aisle on the right side of the theater and into the concession area. Davis watched (HARVEY) Oswald as he again re-entered the theater and took a seat next to a man on the back row, directly across the aisle from Davis. Within a few minutes HARVEY Oswald got up and once again returned to the concession area. He returned a few minutes later and took a seat across the aisle from Mr. Davis, and then moved to another seat on the fourth row. It appeared to Davis as though (HARVEY) Oswald was looking for someone, perhaps a contact. From the Tippit articles above



    That strategy worked (at least for the short term).

    James Lateer
    DJ
    Once in a while you get shown the light
    in the strangest of places if you look at it right.....
    R. Hunter

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Josephs View Post
    The eventual "a police officer, 510 E. Jefferson" follows at 41:29 but the dispatcher's "Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 East Jefferson" is missing
    This is where we conflict Milo... I only hear one instance of "510 E Jefferson" at 41:29 in response to Bowley asking "did you get that?"
    After Dispatch says "what location on 10th St" we get voices and someone says "404 10th"

    What I do not hear is the "ATTENTION. Signal 19" part of that statement... but then "Did you get that" is said over the beginning of the Dispatcher's sentence
    Right -- you won't hear "Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 East Jefferson" in the audio because it is missing from this defective recording (poor quality, fragmentary, many gaps). It's not there, likewise absent from CE 705, although the Shearer, Sawyer A & CE 1974 transcripts all have it.

    Your transcript has "Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 East Jefferson" at line 855. Preceding line 854 is incomplete. The second part following Bowley's "Did you get that?" is missing (absent). It is "A police officer, 510 East Jefferson," heard at 41:29 of the recording, also heard in c-span's Cronkite documentary, a second voice sudden & strong, not Bowley's.

    Here's how the sequence should read:
    854 -- Hello, police operator. Did you get that? A police officer, 510 East Jefferson.
    855 -- Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 East Jefferson.

    The address "510 East Jefferson" should appear in both 854 & 855.
    Last edited by Milo Reech; 11-30-2018 at 11:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milo Reech View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by David Josephs View Post
    The eventual "a police officer, 510 E. Jefferson" follows at 41:29 but the dispatcher's "Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 East Jefferson" is missing
    This is where we conflict Milo... I only hear one instance of "510 E Jefferson" at 41:29 in response to Bowley asking "did you get that?"
    After Dispatch says "what location on 10th St" we get voices and someone says "404 10th"

    What I do not hear is the "ATTENTION. Signal 19" part of that statement... but then "Did you get that" is said over the beginning of the Dispatcher's sentence
    Right -- you won't hear "Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 East Jefferson" in the audio because it is missing from this defective recording (poor quality, fragmentary, many gaps). It's not there, likewise absent from CE 705, although the Shearer, Sawyer A & CE 1974 transcripts all have it.

    Your transcript has "Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 East Jefferson" at line 855. Preceding line 854 is incomplete. The second part following Bowley's "Did you get that?" is missing (absent). It is "A police officer, 510 East Jefferson," heard at 41:29 of the recording, also heard in c-span's Cronkite documentary, a second voice sudden & strong, not Bowley's.

    Here's how the sequence should read:
    854 -- Hello, police operator. Did you get that? A police officer, 510 East Jefferson.
    855 -- Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 East Jefferson.

    The address "510 East Jefferson" should appear in both 854 & 855.
    Yeah... I don't hear Bowley saying that... I'm sorry.

    Dispatch asks "What location"
    Bowley replies "Between Marsalis and Beckley" there is simply no way he then utters 510 E Jefferson...

    People in the background tell him "404 E. 10th" and he repeats it. after "What -- what..."

    Listen again please Milo... dispatch talks right over Bowley saying "Signal 19, police officer, 510 E. Jefferson"

    From what I've been able to tell... this is the first AND ONLY TIME that address was said over the radio... regardless of the transcripts (which have errors) we can hear what is said...

    Listen again to the back to back BOWLEY transmissions at 1:16... Bowley has that high pitched voice from the beginning of the transmission... the man speaking just before the dispatcher says 510, and again after saying "Thank you" is no longer Bowley.

    You will also notice a silence and/or splice in between those two "Bowley-attributed" comments (and the way he says number ten as "number tin".. then the Disp 78 and another voice's 78 - which to me sounds a lot like the alternate Bowley (in red) I'm referring to here...

    Concur with the 2 different Bowley voices?



    taking us to 40:55

    1:16 Bowley Hello, police operator?
    1:16 Dispatcher Go ahead. Go ahead, citizen using the police radio.
    1:16 Bowley There's been a shooting out here.
    1:16 Dispatcher Where's it at?
    1:16 Dispatcher The citizen using the police radio . . .
    1:16 Bowley Tenth Street.
    1:16 Dispatcher What location on Tenth Street?
    1:16 Bowley Between Marsalis and Beckley. It's a police officer. Somebody shot him. What -- what's . . . 404 Tenth Street.
    1:16 Dispatcher Can you hear me?
    1:16 (Man and woman's voices in background)
    1:16 Dispatcher 78
    1:16 Bowley It's in a police car, number 10.
    1:16 Dispatcher 78
    1:16 ???? not Dispatch or Tippit 78
    1:16 Bowley Got that?
    1:16 Bowley Callaway? Hello, police operator. Did you get that?
    1:16 Dispatcher Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 E. Jefferson.
    1:16 Bowley Callaway? Thank you.
    1:16 35 (Ptm. J.M. Lewis) 35
    1:16 259 (unknown) 259
    1:16 Dispatcher The citizen using the police radio: Remain off the radio now.
    1:16 Dispatcher 91
    Once in a while you get shown the light
    in the strangest of places if you look at it right.....
    R. Hunter

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    This should help.

    Source Location Citizen Dispatcher
    Sawyer A p.8 Citizen then said, "Hello, police operator. Did you get that?" Signal 19, involving a police officer, 510 E. Jefferson.
    CE 705 p.408 Hello, police operator. Did you get that? (Some other unknown voice came in with "a police officer, 510 E. Jefferson")
    CE 1974 p.53 Hello, police operator, did you get that? A police officer, 510 East Jefferson. Signal 19 (shooting) involving a police officer, 510 East Jefferson.
    Shearer http://www.billdrenas.com/articles/dpd01-00.pdf
    p.26 items 913 & 914
    Hello, police operator. Did you get that? Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 East Jefferson.
    DPD.pdf p.13 lines 854 & 855 Hello, police operator. Did you get that? Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 E. Jefferson.
    DALLAS POLICE RADIO RECORDINGS FROM NOVEMBER 22, 1963 (EXTENDED VERSION) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaL-dnXCOPs 41:28 Hello, police operator, did you get that? A police officer, 510 East Jefferson.
    c-span Cronkite Documentary https://www.c-span.org/video/?454599...-report-part-3 11:29 Hello, police operator, did you get that? A police officer, 510 East Jefferson.
    The JFK Assassination Dallas Police Tapes -- Part 2 http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/tapes2.htm Hello, police operator. Did you get that? Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 E. Jefferson.
    Last edited by Milo Reech; 11-30-2018 at 04:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Josephs View Post
    Dispatch asks "What location"
    Bowley replies "Between Marsalis and Beckley" there is simply no way he then utters 510 E Jefferson...


    People in the background tell him "404 E. 10th" and he repeats it. after "What -- what..."


    Listen again please Milo... dispatch talks right over Bowley saying "Signal 19, police officer, 510 E. Jefferson"


    From what I've been able to tell... this is the first AND ONLY TIME that address was said over the radio... regardless of the transcripts (which have errors) we can hear what is said...
    I cannot hear "Signal 19" voiced over Bowley's "Hello, police operator. Did you get that?" on either audio file, which I think is what you are getting at, right? If so, I'll listen again, otherwise I'm not understanding the argument.

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    Default Tippit and Oswald

    After scanning/reading the 28 page first article and shorter second article, I came away with the following thoughts:

    1. The only persons who seem to be obviously involved in the Tippit/Oswald situation seem to be Tommy Rowe (friend of Ruby's who worked at the shoe store next to the Texas Theater), Captain William R. Westbrook and also Sgt. Kenneth Croy. The article mentions the name Westbrook 300 times, so it's hard to memorize everything said about him. Also, J D Tippit had some involvement, though not necessarily complicity in the JFK hit.

    2. You have to start with understanding the state of mind of Oswald. Just like John Wilkes Booth. There's a huge difference between a John Wilkes Booth who worked for Confederate Intelligence vs. John Wilkes Booth who worked for the Vatican vs. John Wilkes Booth who acted alone. You have to figure out what was going on in the mind of Oswald before you can go any further.

    3. You have to work with "probably". The test is "which is more probable?" To me it's impossible to believe that a best friend of Jack Ruby just happened to be working for the guy who identified Oswald. That's TOTALLY IMPROBABLE. You get what I'm saying.

    4. Police are apparently totally involved in planting and manufacturing evidence in (maybe) almost all cases. Just look at the OJ Simpson case and the INSTANT AND ON-THE-SPOT manufacturing of evidence as O J was fleeing the scene. You have "throw-down guns" or the gloves that don't fit, etc. You apparently don't need pre-planning to have evidence planted, like for instance, the brown jacket in the parking lot. But the existence of two wallets obviously couldn't have been manufactured or happened on the scene.

    5. As head of personnel, Capt. Westrick would have reason to often visit with in private with Mayor Earl Cabell who we know was a CIA asset. Westrick was transfered to Saigon, etc etc.

    6. Westrick was driving around in an unmarked car, so he could have transported Oswald, travelled from crime scene to crime scene, etc. It's no surprise that Westrick had handled all the phony evidence including the gun of LHO, the second wallet, the jacket, etc. etc.

    7. The activivities of Oswald in the theater when he went from witness to witness calling attention to himself matches up perfectly to his actions described by Judyth Vary Baker when she and Oswald would ride the bus to Reily Coffee Co. Oswald was thoroughly trained in analyzing exactly what behavior (1) would be remembered by onlooking witnesses and (2) what behavior would not be remembered or noted by witnesses. This was similar to George H W Bush and his virtuoso performance in disguising his whereabouts on 11-22-63. This stuff must go with REALLY EXPERT SPIES like Bush and Oswald.

    8. I still maintain that LHO must have left the TSBD with the intention of stopping off at his rooming house (or maybe a safe house) and then going to the Texas Theater to avoid getting "shot while escaping". (1) If you were Oswald and (2) you knew you were the patsy, (3) and you knew you might be "shot while escaping", then (4) a theater would be the only place that you wouldn't be shot on-the-spot due to the large number of witnesses. Like Ruby, anyone who shot Oswald, even if he were a policeman, would be charged and tried for murder if it were not PROVEN TO BE IN SELF-DEFENSE. Just too much publicity. An Oswald-killer would be prosecuted regardless because of CYA.

    9. If Ruby were a friend of LHO, then Ruby's buddy Tommy Rowe could have played a double role. He could have conspired with LHO and gotten a job near the Theater to scope out the scene for LHO. But he also could have kept Ruby informed when Oswald reached the Theater. This would mean that Ruby, Rowe and Oswald all three knew in advance that the destination of LHO would be the Texas Theater. LHO would think that it was a way to save his (LHO's) life. And Ruby and Rowe would think it was a way to make sure Oswald didn't actually escape and maybe hitch-hike, say, to the Mexican border and beyond. This could also have re-assured LHO that there was a plan to keep him alive and give him his day in court.

    10. LHO probably did not know of the Tippit murder. The Tippit murder scene would have taken LHO off of his destination path to the Theater. But the Tippit murder scene was JUST CLOSE ENOUGH to Oswald's flight path to place him near the Tippit murder.

    11. It's not clear whether the fact that LHO was kept alive for two days was a screw-up or whether it was planned so the public would have a chance to see and hear Oswald. After all, Ruby was just a few feet away from LHO the entire time he was at the Dallas Public Safety Building. Ruby was apparently on standby for this purpose the entire time. Per numerous sources like Hosty, the murder of LHO was planned by a "committee".

    12. All of the witness testimony, whether from Dealey Plaza or on Oswald's escape route, all of it was grossly fabricated and coerced. None of the witness' stories had any agreement or consistency. That's why all these witnesses or other police officers could not have been all gathered in a room and told to memorize their part in a sort of play with a script and props, etc. before the JFK hit. It was done (1) on the fly or (2) drilled into the witnesses after the fact with threat of murder (implicity murder at the hands of the Dallas Police) which would intimidate anybody and any witness, beyond doubt. Because it is all phony, it doesn't do much good to try and straighten it out or to learn much of anything from it.

    James Lateer

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