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    Just want to say, I am grateful for all you guys have taught me, through 10 years as I have learned what it is all about. The last book, from Mr Prouty, JFK: The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy. After 10 years, that is all I need to know. I have searched all over this site, but have not found much about this book. Has it ever been discussed?
    . Is it a fault in the search-system? I think J.F Prouty sums it up better than most.
    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...ohn+F.+Kennedy
    Last edited by O. Austrud; 05-10-2018 at 12:03 AM.

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    I can mention, that I have read hundreds of books about this.

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    Default Prouty and JFK

    Prouty's book is the only one out of 180 JFK books that I have read twice. The good thing about it is his vantage point from inside the Pentagon in November, 1963 and his obvious honesty, intelligence and sincerity.

    The downside is that even with the view you get from the Pentagon, you miss most of the details because the plot was segmented and compartmentalized. And also worldwide.

    Thus, Prouty hypothesizes some businessmen sitting at a table at the country club and deciding "Kennedy has to go." But which businessmen? And in what country? He blames the "military-industrial complex" which is an easy, fat target and hard to miss completely. But his tie to the corruption in procurement and the TFX contract is too limited.

    This theory has also been suggested by Clark Mollenhoff in "Despoilers of Democracy." Mollenhoff was a close friend of RFK and a reporter at the Des Moines Register. Also, you can read "The Case Against Congress" by Drew Pearson and Jack Anderson, making much the same argument.

    According to Dr. Caufield in "General Walker...", Jim Garrison was conflicted because he had represented the murderous segregationists in his role as State's Attorney in 1962. I would suggest a similar limitation on Prouty's viewpoint. He blames the villians with which he had battled and with which he was familiar.

    But, for instance, he staunchly defends General Lyman Lemnitzer (his former commanding officer) as being "the old-style patriotic Army guy" and non-political. When you read Lemitizer's biography, he doesn't look quite that good. He was actually a covert-ops oriented guy and a back-biter on the Bay of Pigs issue. He was not an old fashioned Eisenhower or George C. Marshall type as described by Prouty.

    From his job description at the Pentagon, Prouty had no dealings with the Mafia, Operation Mongoose and all of the CIA (outside pentagon) related activities, i.e. in Italy, etc. etc. To me, it's strange he doesn't mention anything about NATO in the Pentagon.
    NATO was certainly a big presence there in the Pentagon.

    I have read that people at the CIA eat lunch with a friend/co-worker every day for 20 years but they still have no clue what that friend/co-worker does for the CIA. Recognizing that principle, just because Prouty was CIA-Pentagon liaison, that didn't mean he had access to the lion's share of bad stuff being done both at the Pentagon and at the CIA. I think that if Prouty actually knew everything, he would have got the word out. He would have told us everything. And he didn't have all the pieces.

    I think that what we saw from Prouty was what you would get from Prouty. Period. Beyond what was right in front of his eyes, Prouty didn't know as much as the average well-read JFK buff living today in 2018.

    James Lateer

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    So, who knows then? Are you, James, just a man who doesn't know all? And just questions everything all the time, just to ubfucate the whole story? (Sorrry for the spelling) The fact that there is a hidden, powerful, Cabal, as Churchill put it, is all too obvious for all us who are still able to see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by O. Austrud View Post
    Just want to say, I am grateful for all you guys have taught me, through 10 years as I have learned what it is all about. The last book, from Mr Prouty, JFK: The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy. After 10 years, that is all I need to know. I have searched all over this site, but have not found much about this book. Has it ever been discussed?
    . Is it a fault in the search-system? I think J.F Prouty sums it up better than most.
    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...ohn+F.+Kennedy
    Prouty was important because he was one of the few insiders willing to talk - but only SO FAR. He knew much more than he was willing to say. I met Prouty in person and had long letter exchanges with him in the days before email. There were some questions I asked he clearly knew the answer to, but would NOT answer directly. Sometimes he would hint in what direction a researcher like myself might trend in order to discover it ourselves. On the other hand he told me some things [important ones] NO ONE ELSE every had before or really since! Despite his liaison role between Military and CIA, due to compartmentalization [partly] and non-disclosure agreements [partly] and fear of reprisal and death [partly] he went or could go only 'so far'. I think he is best in setting the stage for how those two units of government interact [mostly illegally and without oversight], and even more generally how the 'secret governmental structures' think and operate WWII to present. The details on Dallas he could offer were thin, but not without some substantial offerings I could name. He knew people - important persons - researchers had never heard of, never even heard of their positions - and sometimes expounded on them. His books are in my library, but I can not say they are in the corner where I keep what I feel are the most important books on the subject. He made a contribution and he tried to tell part of the truth he knew. He was a concerned patriot, but he also protected some guilty persons and kept many secrets. I will remember our face-to-face conversations always and his constructive hints on name and places to look into that bore fruit! His own political leanings were, to me, very strange and not in line with my own., but to be fair to him he was much more tolerant of other political viewpoints than most of his ilk and basically an honest man. I think he was, as so many in the military and intelligence blinded by the power and secrets they get to know and use - and power corrupts. He certainly gave me some important information and names on the JFK assassination no one else knew about....but he kept other friends and persons of importance hidden, though he knew they were directly involved......others, such as Lansdale he let people decide for themselves - even though he was personally close to Lansdale. One of his best tips for me was in one meeting we had in D.C. when he said' look into Dorothy Mattlack!' I passed that on to my close friend Joan Mellen and I think she is the only one to really expose who Mattlack was and who she worked for - how she 'fit' into the amazingly complex machinery of the assassination and Secret Team - to use Prouty's term. According to Prouty, she was the highest level female spook during that period and unknown to all but a handful. She worked secretly under Landsdale and was one of the last people in D.C. to talk with de Mohrenschildt before he was bumped off. At that time, just her being a female made her somewhat invisible as an active black operative - and more like Landsdale's secretary [which she was NOT at all!] - she was one of his most trusted and secret operatives handling the dirtiest of the dirty deeds, at times.
    Last edited by Peter Lemkin; 05-10-2018 at 02:05 PM.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Default Prouty, JFK and Prouty's Theory

    [So, who knows then? Are you, James, just a man who doesn't know all? And just questions everything all the time, just to ubfucate the whole story? (Sorrry for the spelling) The fact that there is a hidden, powerful, Cabal, as Churchill put it, is all too obvious for all us who are still able to see...] posted above by O Astrud...

    It is kind of unusual to be called a "cabal-denier" since I am the only one (I have ever seen) who claims to have created and have published a comprehensive chart of the Cabal.

    As many have seen, my chart contains around 60 names. So that's a major cabal.

    Unexpectedly, I have not received any challenges to the chart (either in reviews or on this site) with two significant exceptions:

    1) Some think I should have John D Rockefeller III and/or Nelson Rockefeller specified.

    2) Many think that George HW Bush should be on the chart.

    I would recommend not only my chart book but also for you, (O Astrud) to read the book "General Walker..." by Dr. Jeffrey Caufield. When reading Caufield's book, you will possibly be astonished that a medical doctor could research from 1992 to 2015 and come up with information and theories with almost no overlap to other books such as the book by Fletcher Prouty.

    I estimate that there are around 30,000 published items of evidence in the JFK case. That compares with 32,000 verses in the Bible. And I do confess that I am often accused of questioning everything all of the time.

    I am not, however a JFK assassination cover-up artist. Refer to my work and that should become obvious.

    James Lateer

    (One of these days I will figure out how to do that neat pasting of prior quotes like everybody else does).


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    Matlack talked to the Baron in 1975?

    After he returned from Haiti?

    Where is that info?

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    Default De Mohrenschildt and Matlack

    As I remember reading somewhere, but I don't remember the source, when de Mohrenschildt left Dallas on his way to Haiti in April, 1963, he stopped off at the Pentagon and met, (probably clandenstinely), with Dorothy Matlack. I think it was Prouty who said that Matlack was head of the "blackest" of black ops at the Pentagon at the time.

    To me, this sounds like a good fit for the FOI. The FOI was totally unknown until the 1970's.

    James Lateer

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Lateer View Post
    As I remember reading somewhere, but I don't remember the source, when de Mohrenschildt left Dallas on his way to Haiti in April, 1963, he stopped off at the Pentagon and met, (probably clandenstinely), with Dorothy Matlack. I think it was Prouty who said that Matlack was head of the "blackest" of black ops at the Pentagon at the time.

    To me, this sounds like a good fit for the FOI. The FOI was totally unknown until the 1970's.

    James Lateer

    Nagell was FOI, as was one other man who's name I know but is not yet publicly known, and was also involved in Dallas-related activities. Col. William Bishop was connected to FOI in some way. They were constructed as special forces NOT under the control of CIA or the regular military chain of command - although they sometimes did work with them - except on 'special missions'. It seems that FOI somehow got its impetus from Willoughby [Adolf Tscheppe-Weidenbach] and his boss MacArthur while masters of Japan - but were used later all over the place.
    Last edited by Peter Lemkin; 05-11-2018 at 02:15 PM.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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