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  1. Default Michele Metta's CMC. THE ITALIAN UNDERCOVER CIA AND MOSSAD STATION AND THE ASSASSINATION OF JFK

    Michele Metta's JFK book was recently published and is available on Amazon now.

    https://www.amazon.com/ITALIAN-UNDER...=Michele+metta

    It runs for 164 pages and includes the (Italian language) CMC documentation in the back of the volume. The Amazon preview arbitrarily doesn't show the contents page, but offers a preview of the opening chapter. The translation looks pretty good and - happily - the book is heavily footnoted, which is a big plus in any volume discussing political events from that region and that era. UK author Richard Cottrell wrote a fat book on Gladio several years back. It was barely footnoted at all and jumbled together lots of undocumented assertions. UK journalist Robin Ramsay was less than impressed.

    Metta's book is now on my get list, I'll be curious to see further reviews of it.

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    Metta's work has been heavily discussed here in comments by Paz Marverde, Metta includes the original Italian documents at the back of the book, and, as I noted, Metta has footnoted the book in a detailed fashion at the bottom of each page, with references to US and Italian sources. If government agencies wanted to spread this info for purposes of disinformation, they would have given Metta a nice book contract rather than leaving him to chuck it out there through a self-publishing outfit. Maybe Paz can offer further comments on the book.

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    Most of this intelligence was disclosed after the Pipin Bosch, Babum brothers and others working with the Italian mob and underground hitmen to assassinate Fidel Castro, Raul Castro and Che.

    It wouldnt've surprised me a bit that some of these men were later involved in whacking Jack, but when you get into throwing out a million names, then you might as well have a roster filled with shooters as South Florida Reseach does with over 180 shooters.

    If the target were completely missed in Dallas and it somehow got fouled up, I seriously doubt Jack would've escaped New York.

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    As in Joan Mellen's descriptions of the Centro-Mondo Commercialle, she quickly mentions ONCE that there were Nazis who were members. Then we go on and hear about all kinds of Italians who were involved.

    What we do know about the Italian Centro-Mondo Commerciale was that it included
    Count Junio Valerio Borghese who was closely involved with Skorzeny in commando raids during World War II. Also involved according to some sources was Hjalmar Schacht, Hitler's money man and worldwide post-World War II German activist likely involved with the worldwide Nazi movement.

    We hear over and over the Clay Shaw was involved with Centro Mondo Commercialle but according to
    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/9885-clay-shaws-military-careerim-trying-to-find-outi/

    Poster Tommy Purvis, Clay Shaw was involved with the German I G Farben GAF case which was decided by LBJ in favor of private interests just two or three weeks after 11-22-63 by LBJ. Shaw was also a recruiter of Nazi scientists for General Charles Thrasher and dealt with Wernher von Braun.

    We know that the CIA according to the memoirs of William Colby, spent millions and years in Italy trying to prevent the election of Communists and promoting conservative political parties.

    But (as has been posted in detail on this site previously), there are elaborate scenarios of various Italians included in a sort of smorgasboard of activities which would try and "put a face" (a false face?) on the Centro Mondo Commercialle.

    The only face that belongs on that activity as it relates to the JFK assassination is the involvement of Clay Shaw who was apparently involved on a lifelong basis with Nazis like von Braun and I G Farben chemical cartel, Hjalmar Schacht (Hitler's finance man) and Count Borghese who was very, very close to Otto Skorzeny.

    And as you can read about in The Three Barons, veteran German expert T H Tetens describes "Centro" of Switzerland as a welfare fund for worldwide Nazi fugitives. We know that Centro was booted out of Italy because they were trying to re-establish the monarchy there. When that happened, they moved to Switzerland. IMHO, this is the same "Centro". Then they were booted to South Africa which was a dumping ground for General Reinhard Gehlen's agents like Bognan Stashynksy who was dumped there by Gehlen in 1967.

    So, IMO any attempt to portray Centro as an Italian outfit and therefore imply that Italians (or many Italians) were involved in planning the JFK assassination is a convenient way to blow smoke all over Centro Mondo Commericalle. This could be viewed as an attempt to divert attention away from the Nazis who probably ran Centro along with Clay Shaw, Allen Dulles (who was CIA chief in the 1950's) and Otto Skorzeny (through his friend Count Borghese).

    If anyone carefully reads the Skorzeny Papers and The Three Barons as well as many postings by Mr. Lemkin based on the work of Mae Brussel, there is no doubt that the JFK murder was the work of West Germany, a German-dominated NATO and worldwide Nazis like Skorzeny, Gestapochef Heinrich Muller, Martin Bormann and possibly even a very old Adolf Hitler living in South America someplace.

    The above is so well documented and proven at this point, that I feel justified in questioning anyone who wants to blame some people in Italy or for that matter, to blame anyone except West Germany and the fugitive Nazis.

    Maybe some people spin up artificial theories for fun and profit and thus, their stories are not intelligence disinformation. But there is no excuse after the publication of The Skorzeny Papers for anybody to blame anybody else except the Germans/Nazis as above described.

    I feel that many critics have enough in depth knowledge of the JFK assassination to know all of the above. I don't think it's out of line to question some alternative theories coming from people who haven't really dealt (as far as I know) one way or the other with the Skorzeny-NATO-Gehlen-Dulles-Bormann-Adenauer line of reasoning. Many just ignore all this (which has been proven) and continue to spin up alternative theories. Why, I don't know.

    I guess calling the blaming of miscellaneous Italians for the JFK murder intelligence disinformation it making an unjustified assumption. But I sincerely believe that the killers and plotters against JFK have been identified beyond doubt.

    So inventing new theories at this point may not be intelligence disinformation. But in my opinion, it is legitimate to question why people do this but fail to answer to the main line theory which IMO is at this point, beyond any doubt, (especially if they plainly ignore and don't refute what is now the main-line theory of the JFK assassination).

    Instead of just calling me names, and if you don't agree with the above, please explain to the readers how and why I am wrong about all of the above!

    James Lateer

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    I suspect Metta's book deserves a better discussion thread than this one. Regardless -

    As in Joan Mellen's descriptions of the Centro-Mondo Commercialle, she quickly mentions ONCE that there were Nazis who were members. Then we go on and hear about all kinds of Italians who were involved.
    It's an Italian company, in Italy. You'd assume that Italians were involved with it. Mellen also mentions Ferenc Nagy as being part of the leadership of PERMINDEX, and that Nagy was a 'longtime asset of CIA Deputy Director of Plans, Frank Wisner'. Wisner, in the thick of CIA and anti-communist figures like Dulles, Paul Nitze, John McCloy, Richard Bissell and maybe twenty others I'm too tired to copy out in detail from his Spartacus page, was later heavily involved in the Gladio activities in Italy, of which Borghese would eventually figure prominently.

    What we do know about the Italian Centro-Mondo Commerciale was that it included Count Junio Valerio Borghese
    As noted, Borghese was heavily involved in the environment of attempted coups within Italy throughout the 60's and 70's, which was detailed years ago in Jeffrey Bale's 600+ page thesis on Borghese's life.

    https://www.scribd.com/document/3625...egy-of-Tension

    Borghese carried out many of those activities with his countrymen, utilising various right-wing elements from Italian military and criminal circles. So I'm not sure why the presence of Borghese should automatically point to ex-Nazi involvement, rather than the involvement of Borghese's fellow Italians, simply as Borghese had moved within those Nazi circles decades earlier. Who was he going to find more of in Italy during the time of CMC's activities - ex-Nazi's, or rightwing Italians sympathetic to his cause?

    there are elaborate scenarios of various Italians included in a sort of smorgasboard of activities which would try and "put a face" (a false face?) on the Centro Mondo Commercialle. ...The only face that belongs on that activity as it relates to the JFK assassination is the involvement of Clay Shaw
    Again, I'm not sure how one can argue that the involvement of Italians within an Italian company inside Italy is a false front for other groups. Did Shaw run CMC or just work for it in a capacity? I thought it was the latter. And if 'various Italians' are involved with activities related to CMC, how do then you infer that this is an attempt to create a false front, rather than simply being various Italians involved in CMC?


    This could be viewed as an attempt to divert attention away from the Nazis who probably ran Centro
    How is it probable that Nazis ran Centro, which Nazis do you think ran it, and which documentation do you have - beyond your mention of a paragraph in the Tetens book - that supersedes the many pages of documentation in Metta's volume? Also, which source do you think we should refer to to learn about CMC? Metta's lengthy volume or the Tetens book?

    All that said, since I'm looking at your argument

    veteran German expert T H Tetens describes "Centro" of Switzerland as a welfare fund for worldwide Nazi fugitives. We know that Centro was booted out of Italy
    The Tetens book is linked here.

    https://archive.org/details/TH_Teten..._The_Old_Nazis

    and after a long search I found the one mention of 'Centro' in the book, page 203, in which he refers to 'Centro Europa', and never calls it by the singular name 'Centro', which just means "Center' (or 'Centre' if you're using the UK spelling), so to infer that it's the same Centre as the Centre World Commercial - 'Centro Mondo Commeciale' - seems a bit of a reach.

    I notice that Metta has put up a page reprinting a dozen pages of his CMC documentation. It's here.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/mettac...7696531531120/

    It has a lot of names included. I see Shaw's name, and the names of a lot of Italian folk, but not a lot of ex-Nazis. Is there any other documentation linking ex-Nazis to CMC beyond the Tetens book you cite, which barely seems related to the topic of CMC at all? Other than the mention of 'Centro Europa' there's no mention of CMC or 'Centro Mondo Commerciale' in the index of the Tetens book at all, so it's a bit of a jump.
    Last edited by Anthony Thorne; 10-23-2018 at 06:16 AM.

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    Thank you. Bale's groundbreaking PhD-thesis has now been worked into "The Darkest Side of Politics I". https://www.amazon.com/Darkest-Sides...40_&dpSrc=srch

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    Some, here, informed me that James Lateer is put on ignore by various members of this forum because of the incredible low level of his "posts". I totally agree with them.

    He endlessly write: "Centro Mondo Commericalle". He is not even able to write down the name the right way: Centro Mondiale Commerciale, this is the right one. Did he read Metta's book? Absolutely not, of course. Not only that: after not even reading the book, he dares to deeply insult Metta, to utilize defamatory words on Metta.

    As kindly already stressed by Anthony Thorne, Metta's book is based on documents, not on fried air that is instead the basis of what comes out from Lateer mouth.

    Finally: the deeply – I repeat – defamatory attitude used against Metta by Lateer authorizes me to ask who is behind Lateer, because Lateer is trying to smear Metta the same way the CIA tried to smear Jim Garrison.

    Last edited by Paz Marverde; 10-23-2018 at 10:41 AM.

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    This thread is dedicated to Metta's book. It should be then dedicated, in other words, to examine Metta's book, not to examine other books. But for Lateer's mind this seems something too hard to understand. Well, of course he does not. In fact, the truth is he does not want a discussion on the content on Metta's book. He does not even read the book. So, he uses other books as a weapon of distraction to hijack this thread, and talk of whatever but Metta's book. Besides, Metta's book is a sort of Copernican revolution about the assassination of JFK. Trying to confute its content using – to continue using the metaphor – Ptolemaic arguments, is senseless. Whatever other book does in fact ignore the content of the exclusive documents Metta's book is based on. So, if Lateer wants to talk of other books, he can open ANOTHER, different thread ELSEWHERE. This thread is dedicated to discuss Metta's book content. Period

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    But no, you offered a one line post early in the thread saying that the book looked like disinformation, and here we are on page three of the thread clarifying what my points were in my original post.

    Paul Brancato at the JFK Education Forum - who read the Skorzeny book and apparently found it of interest - is reading Metta's book now and says it is 'incredible research, and very important'. If future posts in this thread could remain on the general topic of Metta's work here, it would be a great help.
    Thank you very much, Anthony.

    I add that Oliver Stone praised Metta. Jim DiEugenio praised Metta. Very recently, DiEugenio even added, once again in the Education Forum: "Permindex/CMC was just what Garrison thought it was many years ago. And that is why Clay Shaw was on the board and that is why he later tried to hide his association with that body. And we have it sourced in so many ways now that it's ridiculous: State Dept docs, Bloomfield archives, and this book [by Metta]."
    Last edited by Paz Marverde; 10-25-2018 at 07:03 AM.

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    I am waking up to the broader implications of Metta's book and Centro Mondiale Commerciale. I am convinced that it is a serious book and that according to almost all of the posters here, it is important.

    Let me make a distinction, though. I said that there might be an attempt to "put a face" on Centro Mondiale Commerciale. Let me state the following:

    1. There was such a thing as Centro Mondiale Commerciale.
    2. It was in the early 1960'a located in Italy.
    3. Clay Shaw had some role as a board member of CMC.
    4. Because it was in Italy, there were Italians involved in whatever it was doing.

    I slightly misstated my interpretation of the "putting a face" on CMC. I didn't mean to imply that these Italians in CMC were going a bunch of stuff solely to cover-up the role of Nazis or that their activities amounted to a cover-up of any sort.

    What I meant was, that by writing about all the activities of these Italians in CMC and bringing up the book about them in relation to the JFK assassination, that could well be an attempt, perhaps well-meaning, to make it look like CMC was an assassination group who targeted JFK or were prime-movers in the JFK assassination.

    IMHO, those who are promoting the significance of this book should make a "proffer" here as to what the author of the book is claiming regarding the JFK assassination.

    We see many books that discuss the life story of J.D. Tippit, the biography of David W. Ferrie, the methodology of Parkland Hospital and their staff, etc. etc. But do they make any claims to have new evidence relating to the JFK assassination? I have at least 25 books which are on my shelf waiting to be read in re the JFK assassination. The count of the books I HAVE read is now over 200 on JFK related issues. I have only limited time available for these things.

    Frankly, I am interested in the JFK assassination but I'm not all that interested in CMC or Italian politics in the 1950's or 1960"s. The kidnapping of Aldo Moro is interesting, but I do not read that much about it.

    The more unusual thing that I have seen in this thread is that people seem to be excessively skeptical about my references.

    1. Michael Liebig (who wrote about, among other things, the CMC) was writing for Executive Intelligence Review. That publication is a top source for intelligence information, maybe the best in the US in terms of volume of information. Like any other newspaper or magazine, it must have an editorial process which must be passed by a writer in their pages. (Granted is was originated by Lyndon Larouche who was a proxy for the CIA).

    2. Jim Marrs pretty much invented JFK assassination research with his book Crossfire. He has been writing on the subject for 40 years at least.

    If both of these writers hold a certain opinion about Centro Mondiale Commerciale in relation to Nazis, their opinions simply can't be that easily discounted. To put it another way, who could EIR or Jim Marrs cite as a source that would be a better source than EIR or Jim Marrs? The answer is NOBODY. EIR and Marrs are almost the gold standard IMHO in the field.

    Granted that the Torbitt Document is unsourced. And the information regarding CMC/Permindex apparently all came from EIR/Torbitt in the first place back in 1970 when the Torbitt Document appeared. Jim Garrison did not mention Permidex in the index of his 1968 book "Heritage of Stone" but he did mention Permindex in the index of "On The Trail Of The Assassins" around 1988. So it looks like Garrison got his info about Permidex/CMC from the Torbitt Document and he felt it important enough to discuss in his second book.

    But Jim Marrs and Jim Garrison (in "On The Trail Of The Assassins") both discuss Permindex/CMC as relevant to the JFK assassination, mostly because of the Clay Shaw connection. Their credibilty does not hang on their possible citation of other experts. THEY ARE THE EXPERTS!!!!

    Finally, I am still curious about who Mr. Kaiser and Mr. Thorne thinks were the JFK plotters? I would really really like to know, just as a help to my own understanding.

    Another statement has been made above that makes reference to "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" in the JFK assassination evidence.

    I feel strongly about that question. Unless we are discussing someone who is still alive and is going to be tried for the murder of JFK, then "beyond a reasonable doubt" is not a very useful idea. Remember that O J Simpson was acquitted in his criminal trial where that standard applied. But he was determined to have killed his wife in the civil suit "by a preponderance of the evidence." So it was proven in court that O J killed his wife, even if not "beyond a reasonable doubt."

    In fact, anyone who suggests the test of "beyond a reasonable doubt" in the JFK case or who suggests that it is possible to libel or slander a deceased President like JFK (or any deceased person) may be setting up unnecessary roadblocks to identifying the killers of JFK.

    But in fact, I think the Skorzeny Papers has already identified the killers in general so all of this, including any new JFK stuff in the book by Metta may be moot.

    James Lateer

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