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  1. Default Bernardo DeTorres is Dead

    There goes another important witness, and probably a suspect.

    In this article he admits to having pics of Dealey Plaza and says he know LHO.

    Add that into all the other stuff we know and man, Bernie was really up there as a suspect.

    https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/m...hayes-11170221

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DiEugenio View Post
    There goes another important witness, and probably a suspect.

    In this article he admits to having pics of Dealey Plaza and says he know LHO.

    Add that into all the other stuff we know and man, Bernie was really up there as a suspect.

    https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/m...hayes-11170221
    This..... is a job...... for....... Scott Kaiser !!! Got Veciana?

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    Bernardo De Torres

    Bernardo De Torres was born in Havana, Cuba, in 1934. He moved to the United States in 1955 and later worked as a private investigator in Miami. De Torres was a strong opponent of Fidel Castro and during the Bay of Pigs Operation was Chief of Intelligence for Brigade 2506 where he worked under David Sanchez Morales. During the invasion he was captured and was not released until 24th December, 1962.
    In 1963 De Torres resumed work as a private investigator. According to Gerry P. Hemming De Torres worked for Charles Siragusa, who was involved in foreign assassinations. Larry Hancock has argued in Someone Would Have Talked (2003) "De Torres is known to have associated with several of Hemming's Interpen members and he was well acquainted with Frank Fiorini/Sturgis. De Torres also had strong operational contacts in Mexico City all the way up to Miguel Nazar Haro in Mexican police intelligence." Others involved with Interpen include: Loran Hall, Roy Hargraves, William Seymour, Lawrence Howard, Steve Wilson, Howard K. Davis, Edwin Collins, James Arthur Lewis and Dennis Harber.
    On 25th September, 1963, Silvia Odio had a visit from three men who claimed they were from New Orleans. Two of the men, Leopoldo and Angelo, said they were members of the Junta Revolucionaria. The third man, Leon, was introduced as an American sympathizer who was willing to take part in the assassination of Fidel Castro. After she told them that she was unwilling to get involved in any criminal activity, the three men left.
    The following day Leopoldo phoned Odio and told her that Leon was a former Marine and that he was an expert marksman. He added that Leon had said “we Cubans, we did not have the guts because we should have assassinated Kennedy after the Bay of Pigs”. It is believed that De Torres was Leopoldo and Edwin Collins was Angelo.

    According to his daughter he was employed by the CIA to investigate the assassination of John F. Kennedy: "Yes, he worked for several years with the CIA at uncovering all the possible people that were on the their list. At one time, they put him under the spot light and he was proved with out a doubt that he had anything to do with it. He was actually in Florida with my stepmother at the time of the assassination and was working on his other job as military coordinator for Brigade 2506. It's located in Miami in Little Havana.... I think he came to a conclusion in his investigation and thinks he knows who were the people who killed JFK but doesn't like or want to deal with what he found because all of sudden he stopped researching and never spoke about it again. Normally he doesn't stop until he has found the answers."
    Bernardo De Torres joined Jim Garrison in his investigation of the assassination of John F. Kennedy case. William Turner, the author of Rearview Mirror: Looking Back at the FBI, the CIA and Other Tails (2001) has argued: "A veteran of the Bay of Pigs, De Torres showed up on Garrison's doorstep early in the probe, saying he was a private detective from Miami who wanted to help, and dropping the name of Miami DA Richard Gerstein, a friend of Garrison's, as an opener. In retrospect, Garrison remembered that every lead De Torres developed ended up in a box canyon." Garrison asked Bernardo De Torres to find Eladio del Valle. However, he was unable to find him. Del Valle was murdered on 22nd February, 1967. He had been shot in the heart. He died only hours after his friend, David Ferrie, who was also being investigated by Garrison. Diego Gonzales Tendera, a close friend, later claimed de Valle was murdered because of his involvement in the assassination of Kennedy. It has been suggested that Bernardo De Torres was involved in the killing.
    Larry Hancock has argued that "Bernardo De Torres... diverted Garrison to a certain extent as well as aggressively re-introducing Castro suspicions. He did that with his insistent media promotion of a story pertaining to Secret Service fears of a Castro hit team in Miami during Kennedy's visit there shortly before the Texas trip. Between February 18 and February 22, the Garrison investigation received considerable unwanted publicity, much of it based upon inquiries within the Miami Cuban community as well as the involvement of Bernardo De Torres. De Torres was quite visible in his comments and declarations, eventually leading the whole matter off in a direction pointing at a threat against John Kennedy from Castro agents."
    Jim Garrison eventually came to the conclusion that Torres was undermining his investigation and became convinced that he was really working for JM/WAVE, the Central Intelligence Agency station in Miami. William Turner later recalled: "Eladio del Valle's body was found in a Miami parking lot twelve hours after Ferrie's was discovered in New Orleans. The DA investigator who was searching for del Valle, Bernardo De Torres, turned out to be a suspicious character in his own right. A veteran of the Bay of Pigs, De Torres showed up on Garrison's doorstep early in the probe, saying he was a private detective from Miami who wanted to help, and dropping the name of Miami DA Richard Gerstein, a friend of Garrison's, as an opener. In retrospect, Garrison remembered that every lead De Torres developed ended up in a box canyon. He also learned that De Torres was forwarding reports on his investigation to the Miami CIA station."
    After leaving the Garrison investigation De Torres went to work for Mitch WerBell as an arms salesman in Latin America. In his book Death in Washington (1980) Donald Freed suggested that De Torres might have been involved in the death of Orlando Letelier. Another researcher, Peter Dale Scott, argued in Deep Politics and the Death of JFK (1993) that De Torres had links to the CIA and the drug trade.
    Bernardo De Torres is fourth from the right (Miami, September, 1963)While writing The Last Investigation (1993) Gaeton Fonzi interviewed Rolando Otero. "Otero said his source had told him that Lee Harvey Oswald was sent to Russia as a CIA agent. The decision to kill Kennedy was made before Oswald's return to the United States. Otero said he had no specific knowledge of the number involved, but his training led him to guess there were between thirty and thirty-five CIA operatives in Dallas on the day Kennedy was killed, including the actual hit team. He figures there was a minimum of three on the hit team, at least one stationed in front of, and another behind, Kennedy. Otero said he understood that most of the final planning and coordination took place at meetings held in the Dallas YMCA Building, and he gave me the names of five Miami men who, according to his source, were involved in the plot. He said he didn't know the roles that four of them played, but the fifth, the one called Carlos, was in contact with Oswald and was posing as a photographer in Dealey Plaza on November 22nd." Some years after the book was published Fonzi admitted that "Carlos" was Bernardo De Torres.
    In his book Rearview Mirror: Looking Back at the FBI, the CIA and Other Tails (2001), William Turner claims that in 1977 the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) came to the conclusion that De Torres might have played a role in the death of Kennedy. He quotes a HUCA report that: "De Torres has pictures of Dealey Plaza in a safe-deposit box. These pictures were taken during the assassination of JFK".
    In an article that appeared in Key West Citizen on 2nd September, 2005, Joan Mellen, claims that Angel Murgado was one of the three men who visited Sylvia Odio in Dallas.She also identified the role Bernardo De Torres played in the operation. "Leopoldo was Bernardo de Torres, who testified before the HSCA with immunity granted to him by the C.I.A., so that he was not questioned about the period of time leading up to the Kennedy assassination, as the C.I.A. instructed the Committee on what it could and could not ask this witness. Both the Warren Commission and the HSCA buried the anti-Castro theme, and never explored what Bobby might have known."
    Bernardo De Torres retired to Florida. According to his daughter (August 2006): "He lives a peaceful life in sunny Florida with his sister,a cat named cookie and his military trained German Shepard. That dog is seriously licensed to kill. He is divorced and has 4 children who are all spread out over the globe. We all get along even though most of us are from different mothers. He likes to drink his Coca Cola and bet at the dog track occasionally. He takes extremely good care of his health. He works out and even injects himself with vitamins. He is the leanest 72 year old you will ever know. I don't know why people think he lives in South America. He hates those places because to him they are third world countries. Granted he loves to travel but he won't waste him money there."

    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Lemkin View Post
    Bernardo De Torres

    Bernardo De Torres was born in Havana, Cuba, in 1934. He moved to the United States in 1955 and later worked as a private investigator in Miami. De Torres was a strong opponent of Fidel Castro and during the Bay of Pigs Operation was Chief of Intelligence for Brigade 2506 where he worked under David Sanchez Morales. During the invasion he was captured and was not released until 24th December, 1962.
    In 1963 De Torres resumed work as a private investigator. According to Gerry P. Hemming De Torres worked for Charles Siragusa, who was involved in foreign assassinations. Larry Hancock has argued in Someone Would Have Talked (2003) "De Torres is known to have associated with several of Hemming's Interpen members and he was well acquainted with Frank Fiorini/Sturgis. De Torres also had strong operational contacts in Mexico City all the way up to Miguel Nazar Haro in Mexican police intelligence." Others involved with Interpen include: Loran Hall, Roy Hargraves, William Seymour, Lawrence Howard, Steve Wilson, Howard K. Davis, Edwin Collins, James Arthur Lewis and Dennis Harber.
    On 25th September, 1963, Silvia Odio had a visit from three men who claimed they were from New Orleans. Two of the men, Leopoldo and Angelo, said they were members of the Junta Revolucionaria. The third man, Leon, was introduced as an American sympathizer who was willing to take part in the assassination of Fidel Castro. After she told them that she was unwilling to get involved in any criminal activity, the three men left.
    The following day Leopoldo phoned Odio and told her that Leon was a former Marine and that he was an expert marksman. He added that Leon had said “we Cubans, we did not have the guts because we should have assassinated Kennedy after the Bay of Pigs”. It is believed that De Torres was Leopoldo and Edwin Collins was Angelo.

    According to his daughter he was employed by the CIA to investigate the assassination of John F. Kennedy: "Yes, he worked for several years with the CIA at uncovering all the possible people that were on the their list. At one time, they put him under the spot light and he was proved with out a doubt that he had anything to do with it. He was actually in Florida with my stepmother at the time of the assassination and was working on his other job as military coordinator for Brigade 2506. It's located in Miami in Little Havana.... I think he came to a conclusion in his investigation and thinks he knows who were the people who killed JFK but doesn't like or want to deal with what he found because all of sudden he stopped researching and never spoke about it again. Normally he doesn't stop until he has found the answers."
    Bernardo De Torres joined Jim Garrison in his investigation of the assassination of John F. Kennedy case. William Turner, the author of Rearview Mirror: Looking Back at the FBI, the CIA and Other Tails (2001) has argued: "A veteran of the Bay of Pigs, De Torres showed up on Garrison's doorstep early in the probe, saying he was a private detective from Miami who wanted to help, and dropping the name of Miami DA Richard Gerstein, a friend of Garrison's, as an opener. In retrospect, Garrison remembered that every lead De Torres developed ended up in a box canyon." Garrison asked Bernardo De Torres to find Eladio del Valle. However, he was unable to find him. Del Valle was murdered on 22nd February, 1967. He had been shot in the heart. He died only hours after his friend, David Ferrie, who was also being investigated by Garrison. Diego Gonzales Tendera, a close friend, later claimed de Valle was murdered because of his involvement in the assassination of Kennedy. It has been suggested that Bernardo De Torres was involved in the killing.
    Larry Hancock has argued that "Bernardo De Torres... diverted Garrison to a certain extent as well as aggressively re-introducing Castro suspicions. He did that with his insistent media promotion of a story pertaining to Secret Service fears of a Castro hit team in Miami during Kennedy's visit there shortly before the Texas trip. Between February 18 and February 22, the Garrison investigation received considerable unwanted publicity, much of it based upon inquiries within the Miami Cuban community as well as the involvement of Bernardo De Torres. De Torres was quite visible in his comments and declarations, eventually leading the whole matter off in a direction pointing at a threat against John Kennedy from Castro agents."
    Jim Garrison eventually came to the conclusion that Torres was undermining his investigation and became convinced that he was really working for JM/WAVE, the Central Intelligence Agency station in Miami. William Turner later recalled: "Eladio del Valle's body was found in a Miami parking lot twelve hours after Ferrie's was discovered in New Orleans. The DA investigator who was searching for del Valle, Bernardo De Torres, turned out to be a suspicious character in his own right. A veteran of the Bay of Pigs, De Torres showed up on Garrison's doorstep early in the probe, saying he was a private detective from Miami who wanted to help, and dropping the name of Miami DA Richard Gerstein, a friend of Garrison's, as an opener. In retrospect, Garrison remembered that every lead De Torres developed ended up in a box canyon. He also learned that De Torres was forwarding reports on his investigation to the Miami CIA station."
    After leaving the Garrison investigation De Torres went to work for Mitch WerBell as an arms salesman in Latin America. In his book Death in Washington (1980) Donald Freed suggested that De Torres might have been involved in the death of Orlando Letelier. Another researcher, Peter Dale Scott, argued in Deep Politics and the Death of JFK (1993) that De Torres had links to the CIA and the drug trade.
    Bernardo De Torres is fourth from the right (Miami, September, 1963)While writing The Last Investigation (1993) Gaeton Fonzi interviewed Rolando Otero. "Otero said his source had told him that Lee Harvey Oswald was sent to Russia as a CIA agent. The decision to kill Kennedy was made before Oswald's return to the United States. Otero said he had no specific knowledge of the number involved, but his training led him to guess there were between thirty and thirty-five CIA operatives in Dallas on the day Kennedy was killed, including the actual hit team. He figures there was a minimum of three on the hit team, at least one stationed in front of, and another behind, Kennedy. Otero said he understood that most of the final planning and coordination took place at meetings held in the Dallas YMCA Building, and he gave me the names of five Miami men who, according to his source, were involved in the plot. He said he didn't know the roles that four of them played, but the fifth, the one called Carlos, was in contact with Oswald and was posing as a photographer in Dealey Plaza on November 22nd." Some years after the book was published Fonzi admitted that "Carlos" was Bernardo De Torres.
    In his book Rearview Mirror: Looking Back at the FBI, the CIA and Other Tails (2001), William Turner claims that in 1977 the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) came to the conclusion that De Torres might have played a role in the death of Kennedy. He quotes a HUCA report that: "De Torres has pictures of Dealey Plaza in a safe-deposit box. These pictures were taken during the assassination of JFK".
    In an article that appeared in Key West Citizen on 2nd September, 2005, Joan Mellen, claims that Angel Murgado was one of the three men who visited Sylvia Odio in Dallas.She also identified the role Bernardo De Torres played in the operation. "Leopoldo was Bernardo de Torres, who testified before the HSCA with immunity granted to him by the C.I.A., so that he was not questioned about the period of time leading up to the Kennedy assassination, as the C.I.A. instructed the Committee on what it could and could not ask this witness. Both the Warren Commission and the HSCA buried the anti-Castro theme, and never explored what Bobby might have known."
    Bernardo De Torres retired to Florida. According to his daughter (August 2006): "He lives a peaceful life in sunny Florida with his sister,a cat named cookie and his military trained German Shepard. That dog is seriously licensed to kill. He is divorced and has 4 children who are all spread out over the globe. We all get along even though most of us are from different mothers. He likes to drink his Coca Cola and bet at the dog track occasionally. He takes extremely good care of his health. He works out and even injects himself with vitamins. He is the leanest 72 year old you will ever know. I don't know why people think he lives in South America. He hates those places because to him they are third world countries. Granted he loves to travel but he won't waste him money there."

    .....and if the author of the above biography would like to sue me in court [in any country of their choice] for posting without attribution...I dare you...in fact, I invite you John - as you are the FUCK who deleted without reason, without process, and with malice of forethought all of my 15.000+ posts on your website, and deleted my account also without reason nor process, even though I was a moderator in good standing on you website and we were in weekly email contact privately on sensitive topics [nothing like stabbing a mate in the back is there old not-what-you-seem-to-be malevolent one. Sue me...make my day! You eat shit and are not what you pretend to be, and I will have no qualms about saying so. A little intelligence connected 'birdy' told me the DETAILED 'back story' about what REALLY happened with my 'beheading'.....and I will some day soon have you and your website EXPOSED for what you and it really are all about!!!!! I don't forget nor forgive what happened to me! ...and so many others.

    To others: Use the 'Education Forum' at your own risk...it is not much different than the Ancient Roman Forum.....mixed with whatever intelligence 'maleventity' there was in Ancient Rome.......and gladiator sport for the sake of gladiator sport.
    Last edited by Peter Lemkin; 05-13-2019 at 07:22 PM.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    The idea that DeTorres was trying to solve the JFK case and the CIA hired him to do such a thing, is well.....

    In my review of Mellen, I showed why it could not be DeTorres at Odio's door just by the description.

    If you read the reports from Lou Ivon, DeTorres was a suspect in the murder of DelValle.

    There are few people you can make a better case against than DeTorres as a suspect in the JFK murder.

    Boy Simkin was out of his depth at times was he not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DiEugenio View Post
    The idea that DeTorres was trying to solve the JFK case and the CIA hired him to do such a thing, is well.....

    In my review of Mellen, I showed why it could not be DeTorres at Odio's door just by the description.

    If you read the reports from Lou Ivon, DeTorres was a suspect in the murder of DelValle.

    There are few people you can make a better case against than DeTorres as a suspect in the JFK murder.

    Boy Simkin was out of his depth at times was he not?

    If my memory serves me [I'll have to double-check my notes], Nagell who REALLY was involved in what was happening and who was setting-up Oswald and how didn't cite DeTorres at Odio's - but said one was Oswald. Boy non-wonder Simkin is often out of his depth; or his gnomes who ghost write for him, and to which he signs his name to are - or both. DeTorres was feared by most as a killer, and it wouldn't surprise me at all he had his bloody hand in the death of DelValle....and others. Jim, I believe you are also in the Simkin-ate-my-posts club...or were you just banned? I was both. At the time it happened, just weeks before his wife died, JS and I were in constant email contact privately off-EF on a very hot topic and he seemed to trust me and be a friend. Two or three weeks letter when he returns from dealing with his wife's death I find a knife in my back because some whispered in his ear about me. I know who they were and it ain't pretty....I've never said, as it could also hurt innocent persons. JS is not innocent - not at all.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    I really ought not to do this, but I cannot resist: the Google result for"maleventity" is --

    Did you mean:
    malevolently

    malentity

    male vanity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark A. O'Blazney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DiEugenio View Post
    There goes another important witness, and probably a suspect.

    In this article he admits to having pics of Dealey Plaza and says he know LHO.

    Add that into all the other stuff we know and man, Bernie was really up there as a suspect.

    https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/m...hayes-11170221
    This..... is a job...... for....... Scott Kaiser !!! Got Veciana?

    As much as I appreciate the vote of confidence, and as high up as Torres is as a suspect per Jim, and Perter quoting Spartacus, I have not seen Torres' name anywhere in my father's address book, unless I've over looked it.

    There ARE two separate address books my father owned, I have them both. Nowhere have I ever heard of Torres being among the photos my father stole, and Torres' name never came up in ANY of the conversations I had with certain individuals who shared in a wealth of information with me, I'd say, it's pretty safe to say that Torres was a player, just not involved.

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