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    This item may be of interest to Mr. Guyatt or Mr. Lemkin. A new Kammler book is supposed to be released on October 8th by Dean Reuter, Colm Lowery, and Keith Chester called, “The Hidden Nazi: The Untold Story of America's Deal with the Devil.” Reuter is a national security author who has previously coauthored with John Yoo and has his own history with the issue. Lowery is a bio weapons and terrorism expert. Keith Chester is has written on a wide range of topics but his “Strange Company” is an excellently sited work on the on Foo-Fighters, rockets, orbs,, and drones above Europe’s skies from 41-45.

    Description from your un-friendly Internet book dealer:

    He’s the worst Nazi war criminal you’ve never heard of

    Sidekick to SS Chief Heinrich Himmler and supervisor of Nazi rocket scientist Wernher von Braun, General Hans Kammler was responsible for the construction of Hitler’s slave labor sites and concentration camps. He personally altered the design of Auschwitz to increase crowding, ensuring that epidemic diseases would complement the work of the gas chambers.

    Why has the world forgotten this monster? Kammler was declared dead after the war. But the aide who testified to Kammler’s supposed “suicide” never produced the general’s dog tags or any other proof of death.

    Dean Reuter, Colm Lowery, and Keith Chester have spent decades on the trail of the elusive Kammler, uncovering documents unseen since the 1940s and visiting the purported site of Kammler’s death, now in the Czech Republic.

    Their astonishing discovery: US government documents prove that Hans Kammler was in American custody for months after the war—well after his officially declared suicide.

    And what happened to him after that? Kammler was kept out of public view, never indicted or tried, but to what end? Did he cooperate with Nuremberg prosecutors investigating Nazi war crimes? Was he protected so the United States could benefit from his intimate knowledge of the Nazi rocket program and Germany’s secret weapons?

    The Hidden Nazi is true history more harrowing—and shocking—than the most thrilling fiction.

    About the Author

    Dean Reuter is General Counsel of the Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy and a fellow at the National Security Institute at George Mason University’s Antonin Scalia Law School. He was the editor of Liberty’s Nemesis: The Unchecked Expansion of the State and Confronting Terror: 9/11 and the Future of American National Security.

    Colm Lowery is an award-winning lecturer in biomedical science at the University of Ulster in Northern Ireland, where he lectures in molecular biology and its application to bio-warfare and bioterrorism. He has published over forty peer-reviewed scientific papers, book chapters, and review articles.

    Keith Chester is an investigative researcher and author. In 1999, he began researching aerial phenomena reported by Allied military pilots during the Second World War, an effort that culminated in the publication of Strange Company in 2007, the same year his focus turned to the mystery surrounding SS General Hans Kammler.

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    I know Colm. At one time, long long ago, he and I were planning of doing a book together on Kammler and 'things Kammler'. We never did for a variety of reasons. I know one of the documents he will likely present in his book. I have others. Kammler did NOT die on May 9, 1945 [the 'official' story], but was taken prisoner secretly [VERY SECRETLY!] by the Americans. I know the story - or all but a few pieces of it. I'm working on my own book and am not too worried about others books. There is much to tell there - and it leads into so many [most] things post-war; the Nazi-CIA nexus; the growth of the national security state and where we find ourselves today..... Colm and the others seem to approach the subject from the 'right'; and I from the 'left'....but some of the facts I'm sure will overlap and some may not.......Colm and I parted company long ago and I only know what he knew then. Most of the 'information' on Kammler one can find on the internet is speculation or bullshit or both. It took me two decades to really get a grip on the story. I was also the first to get U.S. Govt. documents proving Kammler alive and in U.S. custody [secretly]. Since, others have found other documents that verify this and add some details, locations, etc. Kammler, at the end of WWII was THE HEAD OF ALL Nazi Secret Weapons systems! Even the faking of his death south of Prague on May 9th is an interesting story, involving a Nazi spy and princess and other 'players'. Skorzeny knew Kammler well and kept in contact with his wife [as did the Princess] after he 'disappeared'. Reality is much stranger than fiction!.... More another time....
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Hi
    A few years ago, one of the public german tv channels showed a documentary on hans kammler. i it it was made clear kammler went to the usa shortly after the war and lived there till his death.
    forgot the title of the docu though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan van den Baard View Post
    Hi
    A few years ago, one of the public german tv channels showed a documentary on hans kammler. i it it was made clear kammler went to the usa shortly after the war and lived there till his death.
    forgot the title of the docu though.
    Sorry to disappoint, but I think the version where Kammler was brought to the US is not a true path. It was put out by two sons [both now dead] of one of the spookiest spooks EVER to operate for the USA. I have lots of documents on him. He likely was involved with some capture and interrogation of Kammler, but either he or his sons spun a false trail [I believe] that he brought Kammler back to the USA. In fact, no one knows what happened to Kammler...his trail in documents just vanishes about the beginning of 1946 at the moment. What happened after that is still a big mystery. By that time they had 'exploited' Kammler as much as I think they thought they could....and anything could have happened to him from murder to suicide to? One thing I know as I know his family - Kammler for all his horrible traits, loved his wife and children...yet he apparently never contacted them even though he was alive. We do not yet know if he was not allowed to or he chose not to for some reason or did secretly that we have not yet deciphered.

    I'm not up for going into the topic of vertical lift-off craft of circular shape, as most people have completely wrong ideas about them. Yes, they were being tested by the Nazis and yes, they had some that flew [poorly] at the end of the war. The USA took one and the plans back to the USA and had a better version built by a Canadian company. They flew some of them out of Area 51 as stealth vehicles. Nothing extra-terrestrial about them....in fact, that myth was developed by the military and intelligence to cover up when anyone saw these secret test craft. They are no longer tested nor used. I have a photo of one in a hanger in Prague. That photo made it to Nick Cook's book cover. My photo shows a very proud engineer standing stiffly next to it.....

    That film was made by a friend of mine and paid for by ZDF [German equiv. of PBS]. Most of the information in that docudrama is correct, a few things are not. It is not easy to pin down real definitive information on Kammler - and it changes (toward the truth) from time to time. Everyone of many countries and groups have the own reasons to both withhold information or present false information......
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Having read books about Dornberger, von Braun, Schellenberg, General Karl Wolff, "Gestapo" Heinrich Muller, Goering, Martin Bormann, Otto Skorzeny, Horst Kopkow, Reinhard Gehlen, Adolf Heusinger and the five best books on Operation Paperclip, I would mention Hans Kammler as follows:

    Kammler did not figure prominently in any of the books that I have read. It says in his Wikipedia article that he was not mentioned anywhere regarding secret weapons under Hitler until 1942.

    He seems to have been involved in construction, so that was different than operations of camps, missile development, etc. He was a civil engineer.

    Of course, before I read the book on Horst Kopkow, I never heard of Kopkow either.

    Kammler is mentioned 17 times in the book "V-2" by Dornberger. I own that book but have never read it because it was published in 1954. Therefore, it only deals with World War II information. If it was allowed to be published in 1954, then it would have been "sanitized" by the publisher Bantam Books. In that time frame, any "inside information" about fugitive Nazis or Nazi scientists was suppressed IMHO.

    That's not to say that I would doubt that Kammler could have been brought to the US.

    The involvement of authors Reuter, Lowery and Chester in this book about Kammler is more significant IMHO. They seem to be "molecular biology" related people, not rocket experts or jet plane experts. There is a lot to cover up in the biology role of ex-Nazis. Not so much in their role regarding rockets.

    Also, anybody connected to an Anton Scalia Law School at George Mason University should send up red flags. Just from the above circumstances, I would begin looking at this new book as being disinformation, rather than true information. I'm not sure why anybody inside the "National Security State" establishment or a National Security Institute at George Mason would be publishing an expose on ex-Nazis.

    Could it be that the authors would be switching identities of ex-Nazis and what each ex-Nazi actuallly did? Maybe claiming Kammler did such and such, when actually it was "Gestapo" Heinrich Muller, (a much more controversial Nazi)?

    But I will have to read this book to get a better feel for its value. You can't judge a book by its cover and you surely can't judge a book without reading it.

    James Lateer
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Lateer View Post
    Having read books about Dornberger, von Braun, Schellenberg, General Karl Wolff, "Gestapo" Heinrich Muller, Goering, Martin Bormann, Otto Skorzeny, Horst Kopkow, Reinhard Gehlen, Adolf Heusinger and the five best books on Operation Paperclip, I would mention Hans Kammler as follows:

    Kammler did not figure prominently in any of the books that I have read. It says in his Wikipedia article that he was not mentioned anywhere regarding secret weapons under Hitler until 1942.

    He seems to have been involved in construction, so that was different than operations of camps, missile development, etc. He was a civil engineer.

    Of course, before I read the book on Horst Kopkow, I never heard of Kopkow either.

    Kammler is mentioned 17 times in the book "V-2" by Dornberger. I own that book but have never read it because it was published in 1954. Therefore, it only deals with World War II information. If it was allowed to be published in 1954, then it would have been "sanitized" by the publisher Bantam Books. In that time frame, any "inside information" about fugitive Nazis or Nazi scientists was suppressed IMHO.

    That's not to say that I would doubt that Kammler could have been brought to the US.

    The involvement of authors Reuter, Lowery and Chester in this book about Kammler is more significant IMHO. They seem to be "molecular biology" related people, not rocket experts or jet plane experts. There is a lot to cover up in the biology role of ex-Nazis. Not so much in their role regarding rockets.

    Also, anybody connected to an Anton Scalia Law School at George Mason University should send up red flags. Just from the above circumstances, I would begin looking at this new book as being disinformation, rather than true information. I'm not sure why anybody inside the "National Security State" establishment or a National Security Institute at George Mason would be publishing an expose on ex-Nazis.

    Could it be that the authors would be switching identities of ex-Nazis and what each ex-Nazi actuallly did? Maybe claiming Kammler did such and such, when actually it was "Gestapo" Heinrich Muller, (a much more controversial Nazi)?

    But I will have to read this book to get a better feel for its value. You can't judge a book by its cover and you surely can't judge a book without reading it.

    James Lateer
    There is some incorrect in your post. The authors are not [with the exception of Colm L.] involved in biological research. They will NOT, I'm sure, be mentioning anything about Kammler & biological research. How many times a person is mentioned in a book[s] - which you put such high value on, is to me of no value. Often those least mentioned are the more or most important - as from day 1 they kept their names and involvement hidden along with documents, witnesses willing to talk, etc. about their involvement. One of the authors is a 'UFO expert' of the kind I have no regard for. All of them know the basic story of Kammler up to the end of the War. He WAS in charge of ALL secret weapons systems AND did build and was in charge of all Nazi underground facilities AND was the person who designed the expansion of and crematoria of Auschwitz [and many other things he did]. Kammler was Dornberger's boss. Dornberger was vonBraun's boss. Dornberger on 11.22.63 had one Michael Paine working directly under him in his offices in Ft. Worth. Kammler's interrogator later was a part of the JFK assassination - the details I'm not going to go into here publicly at this time. Hitler and Borman used Kammler [and a few others] to move valuable assets of the Reich out of 'harms way' - that was another of his jobs. These hidden places and pathways are recorded on certain maps - the location and ownership and provenance I know of, but can not disclose now. Kammler does not hardly show up in any histories of WWII - but that doesn't lessen his importance. He was kept super secret even during the War - despite his being a high level general of the SS and a frequent personal visitor to Hitler. In fact, in the last year or so, he was one of the few Hitler still trusted. I'm prepared to be underwhelmed at this coming book with the exception of one document I have knowledge of that Colm obtained [and was to be the centerpiece of our book], but don't know HOW he plans to present it without someone going to prison...but I digress. They better have good lawyers at their publisher! There are a few good books on Kammler up to the end of the War - very few!....there are none yet on his 'story' from about March 1945 to at least November 1945 in print. Dornberger did some negotiations for Kammler and the 'rocket team' generally with the Allies in Lisbon at the German Embassy there - I think with representatives of Dulles. Certain banks who's names I won't mention still retain accounts that Kammler could access. Attempts have been made to find out the sums in these accounts and for persons with legal title to deal with them - but the banks, certain intelligence entities and old Nazis threaten whenever this happens. Also, some of the secrets Kammler hid from the Allies are STILL hidden underground and I know where a few of these are. Their 'state-of-the-art' science no longer exists, but are still of HUGE historical significance and show the lies of the 'winners' on certain things...just one being the state of the Nazi nuclear program. U-234 ties in with Kammler too. Kammler was and is, IMO, the most important figure of the end of the Nazi regime. The Wikipedia page on him is mostly wrong and deliberately so, and everyone here should know that on sensitive national security and military secrets Wikipedia is the worst source possible, as it is controlled by the very people least likely to allow the truth of such matters! The Wikipedia page on all major US assassinations and covert operations are also terrible for the exact same reason. Anything I would put to correct an entry would be quickly removed and I would soon be banned from doing any more entries.

    There have only ever been a very few real experts on Kammler - and most [to all] have been unknown to the public. The few 'public' ones know little to nothing. I know almost all of the real experts and have interacted with most of them. A few have died in recent years and the rest of us fight for their notes and documents. One, for example, was named Kristian Knaack who I'm sure none have heard of. A friend of mine got most of his notes and work when he died, but the most important single item was 'missing'. Some of these persons had intelligence backgrounds themselves - some did not. Agoston, who inspired the book by Nick Cook [who I also know] was himself an intelligence operative - but you have to search and search to even find that out! His book was mostly disinformation on Kammler and Nick fell for some of it - not all. Few sought publicity and what few have tried have been drown out by disinformation [still active] on the subject. I can personally attest to several nation's intelligence services maintaining a very high level of alert and interest on the man and this subject after all these years...they want these secrets kept secret!

    When I first went to NARA to get all Kammler documents, I was told they had none. I was stunned and in disbelief - the 4th or 5th highest Nazi at the end of the War and the one in charge of all underground and secret weapons systems - one once considered for conviction at Nuremberg in abstencia and NO documents! Later, under conditions I can't reveal here, I had a group of friends who were temporarily working inside NARA under a Congressional mandate to locate all CIA-Nazi collaboration. They [not NARA] sent me 22 pages on Kammler and told me there were lots more in a special bunker the entrance of which was guarded by CIA and military. I have recently learned that many of the Kammler documents are at a 'Proving Ground' military facility not too far from D.C., but no one can have access physically nor by FOIA. The same goes for the interrogator of Kammler who later played some role in the events leading up to Dallas [and knew Richard Case Nagell...] Nagell when asked by Dick Russell once said [paraphrasing] 'a lot of Nazis and Nazi-related U.S. persons were involved'.
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    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Lemkin View Post
    Since, others have found other documents that verify this and add some details, locations, etc. Kammler, at the end of WWII was THE HEAD OF ALL Nazi Secret Weapons systems!
    I haven't heard this name pop up in some time. Fascinating character, and fascinating story to boot.

    Maybe a bit off topic but then again maybe not so much: Do you think it a coincidence that ufo sightings and associated folklore began in earnest in the late 1940s, right after guys like this were beginning their new lives here in the States?
    "FOLLOW THE EVIDENCE, WHEREVER IT LEADS" SOCRATES

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