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    [QUOTE=Mark A. O'Blazney;125982][QUOTE=William Weston;125981]
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    Interesting! I have to read that interview now that you mention it. I have a great deal of respect for Truman Capote. If he said he knew all those people, I believe it. The interview is at the following link, in case anyone else is interested in reading it.

    https://capote.wordpress.com/2011/05...-quentin-1973/
    Hey, as long as we're gossiping with each other........ don't forget the infamous 'La Cote Basque, 1965' piece in Esquire from 1975. Oh, Lordy !!!
    Yes, Truman delighted in poking fun at the rich and famous. He was sued by Gore Vidal for repeating a story from Lee Radziwill that Gore behaved so badly at a party given at the White House that he was thrown out. He also said that 70 to 80% of Lee's and Jackie's friends were homosexuals. Truman was Lee Radziwill's number one confidant

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    [QUOTE=William Weston;125986][QUOTE=Mark A. O'Blazney;125982]
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    Hey, as long as we're gossiping with each other........ don't forget the infamous 'La Cote Basque, 1965' piece in Esquire from 1975. Oh, Lordy !!!
    Yes, Truman delighted in poking fun at the rich and famous. He was sued by Gore Vidal for repeating a story from Lee Radziwill that Gore behaved so badly at a party given at the White House that he was thrown out. He also said that 70 to 80% of Lee's and Jackie's friends were homosexuals. Truman was Lee Radziwill's number one confidant
    I can empathize with Tru'. I was sued by Leo Damore's estate for the materials he sent me re: Mary Pinchot Meyer (as a partial payment for services rendered), but when they found out Leo was 3.5 in the red, well.....

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    [QUOTE=William Weston;125981][QUOTE=Mark A. O'Blazney;125980]
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    Although Jim's assessment of all this is rather mundane, your take is more..... romantic, as far as killers go. Ever read 'Then It All Came Down", Truman Capote's interview with Bobby Beausoleil in San Quentin, 1973? After telling Bobby that he knew Sirhan, Oswald, RFK & JFK, as well as knowing four out of the five Cielo Drive victims, Bobby Beausoleil responded, "You know what I'd say? I'd say you're not such a lucky guy to know".
    Interesting! I have to read that interview now that you mention it. I have a great deal of respect for Truman Capote. If he said he knew all those people, I believe it. The interview is at the following link, in case anyone else is interested in reading it.

    https://capote.wordpress.com/2011/05...-quentin-1973/

    If you read the biography Capote, by Gerald Clarke, you'll find people who knew Capote testifying to his penchant for claiming famous persons as his lovers, including...Albert Camus. Possessing fame, Truman was still fame-hungry, an unreliable narrator.

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    William, I'm posting below material I recently posted on Education Forum's JFK Debate Chaos/Manson thread. Hope no one is affronted. I'm wondering what people will find in the resemblance between the race apocalypse as imagined by Krishna Venta and by Manson. I added underlining to a significant passage.

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    Interested parties may investigate the history of Christ-emulating California cult leader Krishna Venta, an influence on Manson. This influence isn't mentioned much in Manson studies.


    I excerpted the statement below from the linked article. If any errors, make your own examination and report on
    who and what brought Manson and the deceased KV's movement together:


    But the most notable inter-cult connection was with another Jesus-claimant, long after Krishna Venta was assassinated. In 1968, Charles Manson and his coterie resided for several months at the Fountain of the World; Manson even made an unsuccessful takeover bid. When that failed and he was booted from the commune, he moved his group to nearby Spahn Movie Ranch, and the rest is history.



    https://www.skepticink.com/lateraltruth/2014/11/21/krishna-venta-the-christ-of-box-canyon/



    Krishna Venta had been more materially successful than Manson, and enjoyed good press as a peacenik eccentric when he and his followers made barefoot visits to eastern cities. The cult had a comely little compound in Box Canyon, and a hierarchy of bishops and veil-wearing sisters. Krishna Venta is said to have been mentored by Father Divine, who tutored Jim Jones. Krishna Venta died in a 1958 suicide bombing by two former followers upset by his appropriation of their wives. His cult persevered into the age of Manson.


    Here's a distillation of Krishna Venta's apocalyptic vision. Not only is it similar to Manson's - it's similar to J. Edgar Hoover's:


    Venta’s version was well adapted to the Cold-War climate of the times. The coming cataclysm would be a racially motivated civil war in the West, particularly America, where the blacks would rise up and bloodily vanquish the whites, with aid from Russia; and then the traitorous Russians would turn around and conquer the blacks, and try to take over the world. But then Krishna’s followers, after spending the war tucked snugly away in a place of safety, would re-emerge, conquer the Russians, and build a shining new world of equality, justice, and peace, with Krishna Venta in his rightful place as world messiah.



    More memorabilia of Krishna Venta:


    http://krishnaventa.blogspot.com/

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    O.T.: David Andrews; my recent Billy Joe Lord thread here was posted in reaction to your Ed Forum post about Lord. I hope you find
    it food for thought. (Godfrey S Rockefeller and Jock Whitney were both Scroll & Key, Bush of Skull & Bones/Henry Hurt worked for them. Bush was best friends with Jock's Freeport's president Langbourne Williams's cousin, Gerry Bemiss, Henry Hurt married Langbourne's niece.
    Bemiss is a dead ringer for Billie Joe Lord described "Jim Beamiss" "advisor" to Henry Hurt. Bemiss was a finance chair in 1976 Jerry Ford campaign.
    One Henry Hurt son, Robert, is prominent as a winger politician, and the other (Charles Hurt) at Drudge and Washington Times. Hurt's Reader's Digest editor, Thompson, is son of Luce's Life Magazine
    Thompson. The elder Thompson's assistant at Life and in WWII USAAC intel ops against the Luftwaffe has a son who provided employment to
    a certain defector
    .....

    Impact: the Army Air Forces' confidential picture history of World ...
    https://books.google.com › books
    Air Force Historical Foundation - 1980 - ‎Snippet view
    FOUND INSIDE - PAGE 68

    the Army Air Forces' confidential picture history of World War II : in eight books, declassified and now published for the ... was brought to life in April, 1943, by Mr. (then major, later lieutenant colonel) Edward K. Thompson of LIFE magazine. He was succeeded in June, 1944, by a group of three editors: Lt. Col. Robert E. Girvin, formerly of the San Francisco CHRONICLE; Major Maitland A. Edey and Capt.
    Obituaries - Obituaries - southcoasttoday.com - New Bedford, MA

    https://www.southcoasttoday.com › article › news03
    Nov 14, 1999 - A lifelong resident of New Bedford, she was a communicant of St. Casimir Church. ... NEW BEDFORD -- Private services will be held for Robert Webster, ... He was employed by Edey & Duff of as a boat builder until he retired.

    "October Surprise" Shaheen was the son of the Syrian immigrant grocer in Tampico, IL, where Reagan also happened to be born. Shaheen's sister married Hugh Downs.


    https://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/13/n...ies-at-82.html
    ....
    Mr. Edey, who had worked as an editorial assistant at various New York publishing houses before World War II, joined Life magazine in 1945. He served as a major with the intelligence branch of the Air Force during the war......


    J. Elroy McCaw just happened to be WWII Air Force liason to O.S.S. Gen. Lemay happened to sneak McGaw into a high level meeting @ JFK White House.
    Top Secret Talks Not Exactly Secret .
    https://www.nytimes.com/1971/06/03/archives/salinger-says-interloper-sat-in-at-a-top-secret-meeting-in-61.html
    Jun 3, 1971 – The story of how a Seattle businessman inadvertently crashed a top … Salinger, describing the mistake as the worst security breach in his … In an interview, the author identified the businessman as Elroy Mccaw a wealthy


    https://jfkfacts.org/in-1974-call-to...comment-859398

    Who were two of the top ten losers resulting from Castro's Cuba takeover? Freeport Sulphur and Frederick Snare/Dulles?

    The China Diary of George H. W. Bush: The Making of a Global President


    https://books.google.com › books

    Jeffrey A. Engel - 2011 - ‎History

    Bemis, Lias and Devine had a meeting regarding my political future—very thoughtful of them.
    )


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    Yes, Truman delighted in poking fun at the rich and famous. He was sued by Gore Vidal for repeating a story from Lee Radziwill that Gore behaved so badly at a party given at the White House that he was thrown out. He also said that 70 to 80% of Lee's and Jackie's friends were homosexuals. Truman was Lee Radziwill's number one confidant
    I can empathize with Tru'. I was sued by Leo Damore's estate for the materials he sent me re: Mary Pinchot Meyer (as a partial payment for services rendered), but when they found out Leo was 3.5 in the red, well.....
    If Wyatt Cooper's son could only talk..... oh, wait!

    Zelig Capote... why is NY always so historically infatuated with deep south writers? Are they somehow just superior...is it the influence of climate, soil,
    or perhaps repressive societal values?
    Weren't Tru and Harper Lee contemporaries in youth?
    Harper Lee and Truman Capote Were Childhood Friends Until ...


    Who can forget Harper's Magazine wunderkind, Willie Morris?
    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/6115/willie-morris
    Author. Morris graduated class valedictorian at Yazoo City High School in 1952. He was editor of the school paper, The Daily Texan, at the University of Texas and was elected Phi Beta Kappa. He graduated there with a degree in English in 1956. Morris received a Rhodes Scholarship and studied modern history at New College in England until 1960. He was editor of the Texas Observer in Austin, Texas from 1960-63. He started work for Harper's Magazine in New York in 1963 and became editor-in-chief in 1967 at age 32, the youngest editor ever of the nation's oldest magazine. Morris resigned from Harper's in 1971 in an editorial dispute. Morris lived in Oxford for a time starting in 1980 as writer-in-residence at the University of Mississippi. Morris wrote 17 books:
    WYATT COOPER DIES; SCREENPLAY WRITER - The New York Times



    https://www.nytimes.com › 1978/01/06 › archives › wyatt-cooper-dies-scree...

    Jan 6, 1978 - Cooper, Wyatt E. ... He also collaborated with Truman Capote on an award‐winning television script, “The Glass House,” and wrote numerous ...



    Dec 14, 2017 - .....Word on the grapevine, is that she was Truman Capote’s inspiration for the larger-than-life Holly Golightly in his novella Breakfast at Tiffany’s. This was the inspiration for the iconic film starring Audrey Hepburn. ... marriages she wed and had two sons with Wyatt Emory Cooper.
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    Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.

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    Thanks for the heads-up on Billy Joe Lord, Tom.

    For the readership: Lord was questioned because he bunked with Oswald aboard the ship Oz took on his defection trip. Later in life, Lord complained of being harassed by men dropping GHW Bush's name who apparently believed Lord held some damaging information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Andrews View Post
    William, I'm posting below material I recently posted on Education Forum's JFK Debate Chaos/Manson thread. Hope no one is affronted. I'm wondering what people will find in the resemblance between the race apocalypse as imagined by Krishna Venta and by Manson.

    But the most notable inter-cult connection was with another Jesus-claimant, long after Krishna Venta was assassinated. In 1968, Charles Manson and his coterie resided for several months at the Fountain of the World; Manson even made an unsuccessful takeover bid. When that failed and he was booted from the commune, he moved his group to nearby Spahn Movie Ranch, and the rest is history.


    Venta’s version was well adapted to the Cold-War climate of the times. The coming cataclysm would be a racially motivated civil war in the West, particularly America, where the blacks would rise up and bloodily vanquish the whites, with aid from Russia; and then the traitorous Russians would turn around and conquer the blacks, and try to take over the world. But then Krishna’s followers, after spending the war tucked snugly away in a place of safety, would re-emerge, conquer the Russians, and build a shining new world of equality, justice, and peace, with Krishna Venta in his rightful place as world messiah.
    /
    Very impressive find. Thanks, David. I had no idea there was so much information on Fountain of the World out there.
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    Some oddly prescient thoughts about today's Globalism and New World Order from the Mansonoids:


    "Sympathy for the Devil, the Greening of Charles Manson" is the title of a chapter in a book called No Success Like Failure, by Ivan Solotaroff, c.1994
    pg157
    .... All governments were to become one, with headquarters in China, and all monetary systems reduced to one, placed on computers, so that the screens would read out Manson's name: 666. ...
    (Family member Sandra)Goode: "As long as he is held down, until he is given his will to set policy for survival on an international, environmental global order, there is no hope, no order, no love. Just the ghoul your guilt-fear made him into."


    Helter Skelter, by Vince Bugliosi, c. 1994(25th anniversary edition) pg499
    That same year(1986) he(Manson) wrote President Ronald Reagan at the White House... ...he told Reagan: "I'm the last guy in line but I've got all the thoughts for the balance of order and peace with a one-world government if we are to survive."
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    Another way in which the Mansonoids were oddly prescient is in the alleged 'Moon Landing Hoax,' which has become a popular internet meme in recent years.

    nevalalee.wordpress.com/2017/03/24/the-dark-side-of-the-moon/
    The Manson Family murders began with the killing of a man named Gary Hinman, who was taken hostage on July 25, 1969, a day in which the newspapers were filled with accounts of the successful splashdown of Apollo 11. The week before, at the ranch where Manson’s followers were living, a woman had remarked: “There’s somebody on the moon today.” And another replied: “They’re faking it.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolf Zaeschmar View Post
    Some oddly prescient thoughts about today's Globalism and New World Order from the Mansonoids:


    "Sympathy for the Devil, the Greening of Charles Manson" is the title of a chapter in a book called No Success Like Failure, by Ivan Solotaroff, c.1994
    pg157
    .... All governments were to become one, with headquarters in China, and all monetary systems reduced to one, placed on computers, so that the screens would read out Manson's name: 666. ...
    (Family member Sandra)Goode: "As long as he is held down, until he is given his will to set policy for survival on an international, environmental global order, there is no hope, no order, no love. Just the ghoul your guilt-fear made him into."

    Both Sandra Goode and Lynn Fromme were obsessed with the environment and started the International People's Court of Retribution; a fictitious terrorist group that would kill CEO's of companies that polluted the earth.

    When the family of Dr. Ohta was killed in Santa Cruz in October 1970, the killers left the following message was left on the windshield of the car.
    “Today World War III will begin as brought to you by the People of the Free Universe. From this day forward anyone and-or company that misuses the natural environment or destroys same will suffer the penalty of death by the People of the Free Universe. I and my comrades from this day forth will fight until death or freedom against anything or anyone who does not support natural life on this planet, materialism must die or mankind will.”

    The note was signed by “Knight of Wands, Knight of Cups, Knight of Pentacles and Knight of Swords” figures on Tarot cards, thus mixing the occult with environmentalism. Also mixing the occult with environmentalism was Hitler’s priestess Sevitri Devi.

    According to the Marie Vigil letters, Dr. Ohta was the one who prescribed the mysterious glasses found at the Tate house. The owner of the glasses was Sierra Club member Robert Linkletter, an organization strongly opposed to the “misuse of the environment.” It is interesting to note that a few days before he died Robert attended a prestigious gathering of well-to-do people honoring environmental crusader Alice Tyler. Also attending was Prince Peter of Greece and Denmark, a Nazi sympathizer during World War II.

    The combination of the occult with environmentalism is often a tool for fascism.

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