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    Tom re: The footnote is actually a critique of "the community".

    I actually never heard of that term. Is that well defined? Who are the members?
    Can you name one example that is in it, and one outside?
    Am I personally in or out?

    Questions, questions.... And I am getting slower and slower.
    The most relevant literature regarding what happened since September 11, 2001 is George Orwell's "1984".

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    Myself re: Bin Laden

    I have to choose from 4 options:
    a. Fridge
    b. Bottom of the Sea
    c. Himalaya
    d. dead in the ditch

    I tend to a, but I have no way of knowing.
    The most relevant literature regarding what happened since September 11, 2001 is George Orwell's "1984".

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    Some might say: Tim Osman is still alive in Langley, Virginia.

    But that must be Conspiracy Theorists (beep). See Elvis.
    The most relevant literature regarding what happened since September 11, 2001 is George Orwell's "1984".

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    Are you all still following me?
    The most relevant literature regarding what happened since September 11, 2001 is George Orwell's "1984".

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    Carsten, over and out.
    The most relevant literature regarding what happened since September 11, 2001 is George Orwell's "1984".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carsten Wiethoff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Scully View Post
    Conspiracy, by itself, is the label assigned to an actual criminal charge.

    Agreed, you are allowed to use that word. In the the US and, I think, in Britain the term Conspiracy is well define and a judge can in priciple determine, if something was a conspiracy or not. In Germany that is not the case. Did you know that?


    No, I was unaware conspiracy to commit a crime was not a stand alone crime in Germany, despite marrying into a family of which only my then spouse (a fluent German speaker) was U.S. born. In the U.S., no actual crime is required to be committed resulting from the conspiracy to be charged with conspiring to commit a crime. As in workers rights and protections, it seems German law is more balanced, although I was once told by a German friend that motorists in Germany expose themselves to breaking a law if they run out of fuel, disabling their vehicle on the road.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carsten Wiethoff View Post
    Tom: Motive, means, and opportunity....
    I understand and agree, these are important points in a criminal case.
    I did not get the connection to the footnote, can you get a little bit slower, please. I just woke up from my sleep.
    Author Peter Janney, son of a 1950s-1960s CIA director of personnel wrote a highly speculative and very flawed book about ther murder of
    Mary Meyer. He has never uttered a word about his uncle, Frank Pace, the head of General Dynamics who turned over control of that company to Chicago mob financier Henry Crown in collaboration with Rockefeller surrogate Rozwell Gilpatric and his law partner, Maurice "Tex" Moore, former publisher of Time, and brother-in-law of Time-Life founder, Henry Luce.
    Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.

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    No, I was unaware conspiracy to commit a crime was not a stand alone crime in Germany, despite marrying into a family of which only my then spouse (a fluent German speaker) was U.S. born. In the U.S., no actual crime is required to be committed resulting from the conspiracy to be charged with conspiring to commit a crime. As in workers rights and protections, it seems German law is more balanced, although I was once told by a German friend that motorists in Germany expose themselves to breaking a law if they run out of fuel, disabling their vehicle on the road.
    Don't know about the fuel thing, maybe a fine, I would have expected.

    Re law, In my view, law in Germany and in the US are in fundamentals totally different systems. US and Brit is Common Law based, German is Code Napoleon based, if I get my facts straight. You could look that up, or speak to any lawyer, like Dawn Meredith.

    There are bad laws in the US and in Germany, only in different places.

    BTW Do you yourself speak a little German?
    The most relevant literature regarding what happened since September 11, 2001 is George Orwell's "1984".

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    Author Peter Janney, son of a 1950s-1960s CIA director of personnel wrote a highly speculative and very flawed book about ther murder of
    Mary Meyer.
    You must mean this book: https://www.amazon.de/Marys-Mosaic-C...gateway&sr=8-2


    I find it very intriguing that Dick Russel is the Co-Author.

    In my experience Dick Russel is a very truthful and curagious author, who likes fishing also. He write the best book about the man, who knew too much, which I own. It is clearly incomplete, but fascinating and every page is full of information and truth.
    I tend to agree to every word of Mary's Mosaic, unless someone convinces me of a fault.
    The most relevant literature regarding what happened since September 11, 2001 is George Orwell's "1984".

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    He has never uttered a word about his uncle, Frank Pace, the head of General Dynamics who turned over control of that company to Chicago mob financier Henry Crown in collaboration with Rockefeller surrogate Rozwell Gilpatric and his law partner, Maurice "Tex" Moore, former publisher of Time, and brother-in-law of Time-Life founder, Henry Luce.
    This is currently not in my focus of attention, so for now I ignore it.
    The most relevant literature regarding what happened since September 11, 2001 is George Orwell's "1984".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Scully View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Carsten Wiethoff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Scully View Post
    Conspiracy, by itself, is the label assigned to an actual criminal charge.
    Agreed, you are allowed to use that word. In the the US and, I think, in Britain the term Conspiracy is well define and a judge can in priciple determine, if something was a conspiracy or not. In Germany that is not the case. Did you know that?
    No, I was unaware conspiracy to commit a crime was not a stand alone crime in Germany, despite marrying into a family of which only my then spouse (a fluent German speaker) was U.S. born. In the U.S., no actual crime is required to be committed resulting from the conspiracy to be charged with conspiring to commit a crime. As in workers rights and protections, it seems German law is more balanced, although I was once told by a German friend that motorists in Germany expose themselves to breaking a law if they run out of fuel, disabling their vehicle on the road.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carsten Wiethoff View Post
    Tom: Motive, means, and opportunity....
    I understand and agree, these are important points in a criminal case.
    I did not get the connection to the footnote, can you get a little bit slower, please. I just woke up from my sleep.
    Author Peter Janney, son of a 1950s-1960s CIA director of personnel wrote a highly speculative and very flawed book about ther murder of
    Mary Meyer. He has never uttered a word about his uncle, Frank Pace, the head of General Dynamics who turned over control of that company to Chicago mob financier Henry Crown in collaboration with Rockefeller surrogate Rozwell Gilpatric and his law partner, Maurice "Tex" Moore, former publisher of Time, and brother-in-law of Time-Life founder, Henry Luce.
    There's a thread here on DP that's ALL about Mary, Carsten.......... and then some+

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