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    Quote Originally Posted by Allan Eaglesham View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack White View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack White View Post
    Since the introduction of Adams into the mix allegedly on the
    corner of Main and Houston, I have been looking for other images
    that might help with the ID. Today, I compared Altgens 4 to the
    Hughes film and found a "nearly identical" frame, but it is too
    blurry to make any identifications.

    However, I present it here for your consideration and comments,
    particularly the anomaly in the Hughes frame.

    Comments desired.

    Jack

    I just remembered that Bothun 3 does show the man. If I can locate
    my original, I can do a bigger scan for comparisons.

    Jack
    Jack:

    Don't forget this comparison. (Perhaps you can advise me as to who took the assassination-aftermath photograph.) Admittedly, Mr. Adams is significantly older in one than in the other, but they show a similar body type.

    Allan
    I looked for Allan's Aftermath Adams, and found his TWIN in Croft,
    sitting on the wall that Adams stands in front of. However, the sunlight
    is different.

    Jack
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack White View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Allan Eaglesham View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack White View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack White View Post
    Since the introduction of Adams into the mix allegedly on the
    corner of Main and Houston, I have been looking for other images
    that might help with the ID. Today, I compared Altgens 4 to the
    Hughes film and found a "nearly identical" frame, but it is too
    blurry to make any identifications.

    However, I present it here for your consideration and comments,
    particularly the anomaly in the Hughes frame.

    Comments desired.

    Jack

    I just remembered that Bothun 3 does show the man. If I can locate
    my original, I can do a bigger scan for comparisons.

    Jack
    Jack:

    Don't forget this comparison. (Perhaps you can advise me as to who took the assassination-aftermath photograph.) Admittedly, Mr. Adams is significantly older in one than in the other, but they show a similar body type.

    Allan
    I am not familiar with that photo. What is its provenance?

    Jack
    I traced it to Frank Cancellare.

    Allan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allan Eaglesham View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack White View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Allan Eaglesham View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack White View Post


    I just remembered that Bothun 3 does show the man. If I can locate
    my original, I can do a bigger scan for comparisons.

    Jack
    Jack:

    Don't forget this comparison. (Perhaps you can advise me as to who took the assassination-aftermath photograph.) Admittedly, Mr. Adams is significantly older in one than in the other, but they show a similar body type.

    Allan
    I am not familiar with that photo. What is its provenance?

    Jack
    I traced it to Frank Cancellare.

    Allan
    Thanks...you are correct. The grass looked like the wall in Croft.

    Jack

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    The man in question is also in the Weaver photo along with the alleged David Morales lookalike....

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Butler View Post
    The man in question is also in the Weaver photo along with the alleged David Morales lookalike....
    Thenks! But I just looked up Weaver, and Adams is standing on HOUSTON STREET,
    not on MAIN, and I do not think is is a matter of viewpoint. Weaver is earlier
    in the turn, and it makes no sense that Adams would move east instead of west.

    This requires further study. Weaver's view is from farther east, but Adams
    appears farther west. This seems very puzzling. I need to plot the locations and
    times.

    Jack

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    David or Jack:

    Can you post the photograph by Weaver to be sure that we are all on the same page?

    Thank you.

    Allan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allan Eaglesham View Post
    David or Jack:

    Can you post the photograph by Weaver to be sure that we are all on the same page?

    Thank you.

    Allan

    in case it is not handy for Jack,he has so very many, here is the weaver not the largest i have but it is a clear copy, and shows the corner, b
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    Bernice:

    Many thanks for the Weaver pic.

    Jack:

    I believe it's a "trick" of point of view. Take a look at this comparison. Woman "A" appears to the left of man "B" in Altgens but to the right of man "B" in Weaver.

    Allan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allan Eaglesham View Post
    Bernice:

    Many thanks for the Weaver pic.

    Jack:

    I believe it's a "trick" of point of view. Take a look at this comparison. Woman "A" appears to the left of man "B" in Altgens but to the right of man "B" in Weaver.

    Allan
    I do not agree with your assessment.

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    Default Has Morgan lost his way?

    If Lucien Conein was caught by chance in a photograph in
    Dealey Plaza, that is further evidence of CIA/intel complicity.

    For that reason, the agencies have a powerful motive to try
    to explain it away to create uncertainty about his identity.

    There are important considerations that weight against the
    alternative identity of this person as Robert Adams, such as:

    (1) The newspaper clippings/"plaque" has the wrong day of
    the week (Thursday) and the wrong date of the month (23
    November instead of 22 November). It is clearly fraudulent.

    (2) Once we acknowledge fraud in the evidence, we have to
    be especially cautious in avoiding being taken in, where the
    scientific evidence has to be given preference to anecdotal.

    (3) The figure is a dead-ringer for Conein and has important
    differences from Adams, as Jack has shown based upon not
    just one but a series of studies of the photographic evidence.

    As for Imogene, after my 4-hour interview with Adele Edisen
    yesterday, I am convinced that the CIA relies upon drugs like
    LSD and hypnotic suggestion far more often than we imagine.

    I would not be surprised if she had been given the suggestion,
    in a quasi-hypnotic trance, to believe that her husband Robert
    had actually been in Dealey Plaza and was caught in the photo.

    Since the more reliable studies support the identification of the
    person and Conein and the plaque undermines the claim that it
    was Adams, I find the weight of the evidence supports Conein.

    Please listen to the interview at http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com.
    Nothing Morgan has offered alters the state of the evidence. He
    has, alas, only cited the aspects of the evidence that support him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Reynolds View Post
    Jack, do you maintain that the DP photo in question has been manipulated and the image of the man pictured, in particular, is phony? If so, why so?

    Whatever the origin of the photo may be, don't you agree Adams (photo 4) is a ringer for the DP image? I'm still not clear on your answer here. I gather that if you had to concede that it is a ringer, you would then dismiss the compelling resemblance as faked.

    Of course, we do not know beyond reasonable doubt the provenance, proof of non-manipulation, chain of custody and related matters necessary for admission of the DP photo as evidence into a court of law. However, a layman like me looks to you and other experts to document the case for fakery in this DP photo if that is your contention now. I'm the intelligent layman you must convince, I'm all ears.

    If you have evidence for fakery, that would materially alter the discussion. Some of that has been addressed already, for example, if spooks were attempting to conceal Conein's image in the pic, why did they substitute the image of such a "brotherly" visage? Because they were trying to stir up confusion and trouble decades later among JFK buffs? From the grave? With a CIA-framed newspaper photo and Imogene-admitted phony and mistaken newspaper caption on a wall of her home discovered decades later by a school teacher?

    I'm glad you're willing to look at "ALL information" because that includes Imogene Adams' testimony, that of Frank Caplett and the Adams' family photos. Introducing those as evidence is not about the sympathy factor, it's about the credibility factor, the addition of new, credible evidence. That evidence changed Allan's mind about the likelihood of the photo showing Conein at DP, thereby challenging the enunciated opinions of some JFK assassination researchers. The new testimony backed by photo "documents" are unimpeachable = entirely trustworthy. Or call such testimony merely hard to top, very hard, I don't care, but I'd like to see the attempt to impeach it, something beyond dismissal or ridicule.

    Bottomline: The conclusion that Adams was at the DP and happened to be a bystander captured in the image explains the DP image extremely well, thank you very much. This explanation accounts for the totality of the evidence. No other thesis presented even attempts to do this. It's not just about a few pictures, Jack. All together, three cheers for "ALL information," hip hip hooray... I'm glad we agree. I so stipulate.

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