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    Michael Meiers' incredibly rare limited edition text, Was Jonestown a CIA medical experiment?, which is almost impossible to obtain.

    Meiers was briefed by aggrieved insiders in the aftermath of the slaughter in Guyana.

    http://www.fonebone.net/Jonestown/
    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

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    I always considered it a MIND CONTROL experiment.

    Jack

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack White View Post
    I always considered it a MIND CONTROL experiment.

    Jack
    Jack - I have a physical hardback copy of the book, which was published by the Edwin Mellen Press.

    http://www.mellenpress.com/

    I contacted them more than a decade ago, and asked to interview the author, Michael Meiers. They forwarded my letter, and I never heard anything more.

    Once extreme research on human subjects started being scrutinized by investigative journalists, the experimentation didn't stop. However, it had to be rendered "plausibly deniable" or conducted on populations who had no voice.

    As a result, human experiments were conducted on prisoners, on orphans, and through cults.

    The Revd Jim Jones was a protege of Shock Therapist Dan Mitrione.

    His lieutenants were largely drawn from intelligence families, and were primarily white.

    His experimental subjects were the lost of the streets, and were primarily black.
    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

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    I remain convinced that Jim Jones was himself a mind controlled puppet.
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
    Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Guyatt View Post
    I remain convinced that Jim Jones was himself a mind controlled puppet.
    I concur. That's why, in classic fashion, a Jones doppelganger existed, and one version of Revd Jim could be taken to Hawaii to have his programming, um, serviced, whilst the other one created a visible trail elsewhere.

    Jones was a controlled Controller.

    Once Congressman Leo Ryan arrived in Guyana, the experiment was over. Blown.

    Cue the zombie assassins and the disposal of the human evidence.

    As I posted here:

    http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/for...ight=jonestown

    Real footage of assassins going about their lethal business is extremely rare. NBC cameraman Bob Brown lost his life filming the Jonestown assassins climbing out of the tractor, advancing towards the plane, and killing Congressman Leo Ryan (critic of the CIA), and at least four others. None of these assassins was ever tried. The only individual convicted in relation to these murders was one of Jim Jones' white lieutenants, Larry Layton, for conspiracy to murder and attempted murder. Layton was inside the plane, and was not one of the assassins advancing from the tractor. (Layton was initally acquitted of murder in Guyana after successfully pleading that he'd been "brainwashed".)

    The footage for which Bob Brown died, his rushes of the advancing assassins, is very rare and hard to find - even for professional film researchers. However about three grainy seconds can be seen in this YouTube clip at c2:45 and c3:08:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSRKWb4LO3w

    Some researchers believe that these assassins are "hypno-programmed". Some that they are a professional hit team. Others that they are simply paranoid killers. Whatever the truth, the footage that cost Bob Brown his life is both shocking and unique.
    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

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    I found this a very interesting article about Jim Jones. Note the Cuba stuff in 1961.
    http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/AboutJones...an-lobster.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathaniel Heidenheimer View Post
    I found this a very interesting article about Jim Jones. Note the Cuba stuff in 1961.
    http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/AboutJones...an-lobster.htm
    Typically excellent piece by Hougan. One reservation, and it concerns footnote 62: It must have been a damn naive/inexperienced journo who didn't know were "Scotty" Reston's loyalties lay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Rigby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathaniel Heidenheimer View Post
    I found this a very interesting article about Jim Jones. Note the Cuba stuff in 1961.
    http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/AboutJones...an-lobster.htm
    Typically excellent piece by Hougan. One reservation, and it concerns footnote 62: It must have been a damn naive/inexperienced journo who didn't know were "Scotty" Reston's loyalties lay!
    Agree Houghan's attention to detail is impressive but I think he too is somewhat naive. He gathers and collates pretty much all the available evidence but still seems unable (or unwilling) to draw the conclusion it overwhelmingly supports; namely that Jones was indeed and SIS asset under mind control that became ever more flakey and culminated in the massacre. Events leading up to it and even more so following it, prompted ever more desperate and bungling attempts by the controllers to first contain and then obfuscate and cover up the real genesis of the whole thing.

    Referring to the nearby Smith mass suicide 100 years earlier in similar circumstances and to the large sign on the Jonestown Pavillion that read "Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it, Hougan opines:
    "The coincidence here is so dramatic that is impossible not to wonder if Jim Jones knew of Smith's precedent. Because, if he did know, and if his politics were, as seems very likely, a fraud, then the Jonestown massacre is revealed to have been a ghastly practical joke---the ultimate psychopathic prank.
    As though Jim Jones is the usual 'Lone nut'

    Also, in another article entitled 'Jim Jones and the Conspiricists' published in Lobster in 2003, Hougan gets bogged down, not to say indignant, at being labelled pejoratively as a 'Conspiracist' by a fellow Jonestown researcher and professor of religious studies one Rebecca Moore.
    In the event, Moore defines a professional conspiracist as one 'who see(s) all events through the hermeneutical lenses of conspiracy'. In the context of the Peoples Temple, she summarises the conspiracists' point of view, which holds 'that people in Jonestown were murdered by U.S. government agent agents either military or intelligence. These agents,' she continues, 'committed the murders to conceal some other, more damaging information...'. (3)
    Well, fair enough. The definition certainly describes the point of view of most Jonestown conspiracists. But I still don't understand why I'm included among their number. Because I don't believe that anyone in Jonestown was murdered by a government agent.
    What I do believe is that until 1970 Jim Jones was a government informant, working against black religious organisations such as Father Divine's. (The evidence for this is laid out in the article I wrote for Lobster. Whether that argument is convincing or not is for the reader to decide. But the footnotes are there, the sources are respectable and the documents I've cited are easily retrieved.)
    He also makes a long-winded distinction between 'investigative journalist' and 'conspiracist' - and pretty spurious one in my view - which illustrates the paranoia that the label engenders in anyone desperate to remain acceptable to the MSM:
    For the record, here is the distinction: an investigative reporter mines the public record for news that has not yet broken, revealing circumstances and events that are at once important and concealed. A conspiracist does much the same, but his or her product differs from the investigative reporter's in a very important way. That is to say, it is unverifiable. That is how we know it's conspiracism, rather than reportage. The conspiracist's story can never be verified. His (or her) most important sources are unidentified, unworthy of belief or simply unavailable to the public. (Some examples: 'According to a high-ranking Pentagon official', 'according to Bruce Roberts, author of the Gemstone File', 'according to a secret CIA report', etc.) Citations of this sort are the investigative equivalent of smoke and mirrors.
    It seems to me that it is Jim Houghan that refuses to go where the evidence leads in this case.
    Peter Presland

    ".....there is something far worse than Nazism, and that is the hubris of the Anglo-American fraternities, whose routine is to incite indigenous monsters to war, and steer the pandemonium to further their imperial aims"
    Guido Preparata. Preface to 'Conjuring Hitler'
    "Never believe anything until it has been officially denied"
    Claud Cockburn


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    There are several different versions of Jim Hougan's excellent article available on line. However, he was perhaps the first researcher to put meat on the bone of the concept of Jim Jones as a controlled controller:

    According to Kathleen Adams, the anthropologist who first related the story about Smith and the Amerindians, Jim Jones was in fact familiar with the suicides of 1845. He had learned of them, she said, while working as a missionary in the Northwest District.

    Adams does not tell us when this was, but the implication is that it was long before the establishment of Jonestown. The possibilities here are two:

    The first is that Jones's Cuban friend, Carlos Foster, is correct when he says that Jones was well-traveled and had been to Guyana prior to 1960. The difficulty with this, of course, is that Jones's biographers are ignorant of any such travels. But if Jones did not go to Guyaya prior to 1960, he must have learned about Smith's precedent while doing missionary work in Guyana---after his 1960 visit to Cuba. But when could that have been?

    The answer would appear to be at about the end of October, 1961. Arriving at that conclusion is by no means an easy matter, however, given the chronological confusion that his most responsible biographer, Tim Reiterman, relates. [68] Because this confusion raises a number of interesting questions about Jones's activities, whereabouts and true loyalties, the matter is worth straightening out.

    In the Fall of 1961, Jim Jones was becoming paranoid. Under treatment for stress, he was hearing "extraterrestrial voices," and suffering seizures. [69] Hospitalized during most of the first week in October, he resigned his position as Director of the Indianapolis Human Rights Commission. [70] It was then, according to Reiterman, that Jones confided in his ministerial assistant, Ross Case, that he'd had a vision of nuclear holocaust.

    "A few weeks later, Jones took off alone in a plane for Hawaii, ostensibly to scout for a new site for Peoples Temple...." (At a loss to explain why Jones should have gone to Hawaii, Reiterman implies that Jones viewed the islands as a potential nuclear refuge---a ludicrous notion in light of their role as stationary aircraft carriers.)

    "On what would become a two-year sojourn, Jones made his first stop in Honolulu, where he explored a job as a university chaplain. Though he did not like the job requirements, he decided to stay on the island for a while anyway, and sent for his family. First, his wife, his mother and the children, except for Jimmy, joined him. Then the Baldwins followed with the adopted black child.... During the couple of months in the islands, Jones seemed to decide that his sabbatical would be a long one." [71]

    According to Reiterman's chronology, therefore, Jones left Indianapolis for Hawaii near the end of October, 1961. He then sent for his family, which joined him in what we may suppose was November. The family remained in Hawaii for a "couple of months": i.e., until January or February.

    "In January, 1962, Esquire magazine published an article listing the nine safest places in the world to escape thermonuclear blasts and fallout.... The article's advice was not lost on Jones. Soon he was heading for the southern hemisphere, which was less vulnerable to fallout because of atmospheric and political factors. The family planned to go eventually to Belo Horizonte, an inland Brazilian city of 600,000."

    Jones's biographer goes on to say that, after leaving Hawaii, he subject traveled to California, and then to Mexico City, before continuing on to Guyana. There, Jones's visit "made page seven of the Guiana Graphic." [72]

    That Jones made page 7 of the local newspaper is a matter of fact. Unfortunately for Reiterman's chronology, however, he did so on October 25 (1961). Which is to say that the head of the Peoples Temple is alleged to have been in two places at that same time: in Hawaii and Guyana during the last week in October---with intervening stops in California and Mexico City.

    Obviously, Reiterman is mistaken, but the issue is not merely one of a confused chronology. There is evidence (including, as we'll see, a photograph) which strongly suggests that two people may have been using Jones's identity during the 1961-63 period. Because of this, rumors that Jones was hospitalized in a "lunatic asylum" during that time should not be dismissed out of hand. The rumors were started by a black minister in Indiana who is said to have been jealous of Jones's success among blacks at the Peoples Temple. While the allegation has yet to be documented, there are many other references to Jones's having been under psychiatric care at one time or another.

    Ross Case says that Jones sometimes referred to "my psychiatrist." Others have suggested that the real reason Jones went to Hawaii was to receive psychiatric care without publicity.

    In later years, Temple member Loretta Cordell reported shock at seeing Jones described as "a sociopath." The description was contained in a psychiatrist's report that Cordell said was in the files of Jones's San Francisco physician (probably Dr. Carleton Goodlett).

    In a recent interview with this author, Dr. Sukhdeo confirmed that Jones had been treated at the Langley-Porter Neuropsychiatric Institute in San Francisco during the 1960s and 70s. According to Sukhdeo, he has repeatedly asked to see Jones's medical file from the Institute, and he has been repeatedly refused permission.

    "I have asked (Langley-Porter's Dr.) Chris Hatcher to see the file several times," Sukhdeo told this writer. "But, each time, he has refused. I don't know why. He won't say. It's very peculiar. Jones has been dead for more than 20 years."

    "The nation's leading center for brain research," Langley-Porter is noted for its hospitality to anti-cult activists such as Dr. Margaret Singer and, also, for experiments that it conducts on behalf of the Defense Department's Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA). While much of that research is classified, the Institute has experimented with electromagnetic effects and behavioral modification techniques involving a wide variety of stimuli---including hypnosis-from-a-distance.

    Some of the Institute's classified research may be inferred from quotations attributed to its director, Dr. Alan Gevins (see Mind Wars, by Ron McRae, St. Martin's Press, 1984, p. 136). According to Dr. Gevins, the military potential of Extremely Low Frequency radiation (ELF) is enormous. Used as a medium for secret communications between submarines, ELF waves are a thousand miles long, unobstructed by water, and theoretically "capable of shutting off the brain (and) killing everyone in l0 thousand square miles or larger target area."

    "'No one paid any attention to the biological affects of ELF for years,' says Dr. Gevins, 'because the power levels are so low. Then we realized that because the power levels are so low, the brain could mistake the outside signal for its own, mimic it (a process known as bioelectric entrainment), and respond when it changes.'"

    The process is one that would no doubt fascinate Jonestown's foremost psychiatric interpreter, Dr. Hardat Sukhdeo. Interestingly, virtually every survivor of the Jonestown massacre seems to have been treated at Langley-Porter. This occurred as a result of San Francisco Mayor George Moscone's request that Dr. Hatcher undertake a study of the Peoples Temple while counseling its survivors. (Hatcher's appointment was made with surprising alacrity since Moscone himself was assassinated only nine days after the killings at Jonestown.)

    Returning to the Guiana Graphic article about Jones's visit to Guyana, it is worth pointing out that the story throws a crimp in much more than Reiterman's chronology. It makes hash as well of Jones's motive for going to South America. The Esquire article, published in January, 1962 could hardly have prompted Jones to go anywhere in October, 1961.
    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

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    In a revised version of his article, Jim Hougan has made a major contribution to our understanding of CIA control of events in Jonestown. It wasn't just Dwyer....


    I.3 THE NOIWON ALERT


    As Dr. Mootoo's evidence established, most of the people at Jonestown were murdered. How is it, then, that Jonestown has become synonymous with "mass suicide"? An "After Action Report" of the Joint Chiefs of Staff helps to establish the chronology of the myth.
    According to the Pentagon, which took responsibility for transporting the dead back to the United States, the National Military Command Center (NMCC) was first notified of an incident in Guyana at 7:18 P.M. on Saturday, November 18. [23] This information, apparently based upon the reports brought back from Port Kaituma by the escaping small plane, was that Congressman Ryan had been shot at the jungle airstrip. [24]
    At 8:15 P.M., a Department of Defense MEDEVAC was requested by the State Department. Its mission: to evacuate the wounded from Port Kaituma, and to return the bodies of those who had been killed at the airstrip.
    At 8:49 P.M., the State department relayed a request from the Prime Minister of Guyana, Forbes Burnham, asking that a pathologist accompany the MEDEVAC. Why Burnham should have requested a pathologist from the U.S. is uncertain. The information available to him at the time would seem to have been restricted to the news that Congressman Ryan and others had been ambushed by small-arms fire.
    Six hours later, at 3:04 A.M. on November 19, the C-141 MEDEVAC left Charleston, N.C., bound for Guyana.
    Barely 25 minutes afterward, at 3:29 A.M., the JCS chronology indicates that "CIA NOIWON reports mass suicides at Jonestown." [25]
    All entries in the JCS chronology are Eastern Standard Time. In Guyana, however, it was one hour and fifteen minutes later than in Washington, D.C.---which means that the CIA notified the Defense Department of the "mass suicides" at 4:44 A.M. (Guyana-time).
    But how did they know?
    How did the CIA know that anyone was dead in Jonestown---let alone so many as to justify the notion of "mass suicides"? And how could the CIA be so mistakenly certain of the manner in which the dead had died: that is to say, suicide rather than murder?
    Somehow, the Agency learned of the mass deaths while it was still dark, hours before the Guyanese Defense Forces arrived at the commune. According to the "narrative summary" of the JCS report:

    At approximately 1800 that same evening (November 18), Reverend James Warren Jones, the founder and leader of the Peoples Temple cult, held a meeting of all members. He convinced them that they and their children would have to die. The members of the cult lined up and began receiving a poison drink. Guards were stationed around the compound to insure that no one left the camp..." [26]


    But how did they know?
    This has been a mystery for than 25 years. Until recently, I was of the opinion that the Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy, Richard Dwyer, had returned to Jonestown after the ambush at Port Kaituma. What made me think so was an excerpt from the so-called "Last Tape" that Jim Jones made, while sitting on the dais at the pavillion in Jonestown, cajoling his followers to kill themselves. [27] Against a background of wailing and screams, we hear the following: one hears
    JONES: "And what comes, folks, what comes now?"
    UNMAN [28] [in background]: "Everybody...hold it! Sit down right here..." [loud background noises, agitated]
    JONES: "Say peace, say peace, say peace, say peace...what comes, don't let...take Dwyer on down to the middle (?) of the East House. Take Dwyer on down."
    UNWOMAN: "Everybody be quiet, please!"
    UNMAN: "Show you got some respect for our lives." [29]
    UNMAN: "Let me sit down, sit down, sit down."
    JONES: "I know... (Jones begins to hum, or keen.) "I tried so very very hard... Get Dwyer out of here before something happens to him."
    UNMAN: "Jjara?"
    JONES: "I'm not talking about Jjara, I said Dwyer."
    The tape is anything but indistinct, and there would seem to be only one way of making sense out of it. Dwyer, however, always denied that he returned to Jonestown that night---and one would like to believe him.
    But there has always been reason to doubt Dwyer's veracity (though not his courage---he behaved heroically at the Port Kaituma airstrip). According to Dr. Julius Mader, an East German academician with ties to the Stasi intelligence service, Dwyer was actually a CIA officer. [30] This opinion would appear to have been based on analysis of Dwyer's background, which included his enlistment in the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, followed by service in the fly-blown capitals of Syria, Egypt, Bulgaria and Chad.
    In other words, Dwyer looked like a spook. And Mader wasn't the only one who thought so. Kit Nascimento, Guyana's Minister of Information at the time, has stated flatly that Richard Dwyer was the CIA's Chief of Station in Guyana when the Jonestown massacre occurred.
    But Mader and Nascimento were mistaken.
    The real CIA station chief was a colleague of Dwyer's who worked with him under State Department cover in the American embassy. Upon learning of the ambush at Port Kaituma, and of the deaths of two children and their mother at the Temple's Georgetown headquarters, it was this person who got on the radio---and stayed on the radio into the early morning hours of the next day. [31] Desperate for information, he eventually tuned in a transmission from the police station at Matthews Ridge, a few miles from Jonestown. The man at the other end was Odell Rhodes, who'd just escaped from the settlement. It was Rhodes who got out the news that Jonestown was devouring itself.

    ......

    23. "Guyana Operations," After-Action Report, 18-27 November, 1978, prepared by the Special Study Group, Operations Directorate, USMC Directorate, Joint Chiefs of Staff (distributed 31 January, 1979). All times are taken from Appendix B, "Chronology of Events." Click here to return.

    24. Ibid. Click here to return.

    25. Ibid. The JCS chronology cites the following reference: "CIA 191138Z Nov 78". NOIWON is the National Operations and Intelligence Watch Officers Network. Click here to return.

    26. Ibid., p. 6. Click here to return.

    27. The tape was obtained from the FBI under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). I've quoted from the FBI's transcript of that tape. Click here to return.

    28. "Unman" = Unidentified Man. Click here to return.

    29. On the tape-recording that I have, it appears that this is actually Jones's voice, and that he says, "Keep Dwyer alive!" and then adds, "Sit down, sit down, sit down." Click here to return.

    30. Mader is the author of Who's Who in the CIA. It's in that book that Dwyer is named as a CIA officer. Click here to return.

    31. Because of the circumstances under which I learned of his identity, I am awaiting the former Chief of Station's permission to make his identity known. C
    http://www.jimhougan.com/index2.html
    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

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