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    Quote Originally Posted by Helen Reyes View Post
    The only detail that pops to mind is the Polannski/Tate dinner on the eve of of RFK's assassination, but I can't remember the connexion.
    Allegedly, on the night before Senator Robert Kennedy's assassination (June 5, 1968), RFK had dinner with director John Frankenheimer and Roman Polanski and his wife Sharon Tate.

    Frankenheimer was of course the director of the original The Manchurian Candidate and Seven Days In May. John F Kennedy apparently spoke with Frankenheimer about both projects.

    Technical adviser on The Manchurian Candidate was MK-ULTRA programmer, William Jennings Bryan, who has links to Candy Jones and Sirhan Sirhan (amongst many other notables).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Klimkowski View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Helen Reyes View Post
    The only detail that pops to mind is the Polannski/Tate dinner on the eve of of RFK's assassination, but I can't remember the connexion.
    Allegedly, on the night before Senator Robert Kennedy's assassination (June 5, 1968), RFK had dinner with director John Frankenheimer and Roman Polanski and his wife Sharon Tate.

    Frankenheimer was of course the director of the original The Manchurian Candidate and Seven Days In May. John F Kennedy apparently spoke with Frankenheimer about both projects.

    Technical adviser on The Manchurian Candidate was MK-ULTRA programmer, William Jennings Bryan, who has links to Candy Jones and Sirhan Sirhan (amongst many other notables).
    The plot thickens!....now, that is a very interesting coincidence (sic)!
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    Default More coincidences - 7 degrees of Charlie Manson Dave McGowan

    Nothing unusual about any of that either, I suppose. But consider the web spun by the man known as Charles Milles Manson. Now this is where we really cut to the core of the dark underbelly of Hollywood. Join me then, if you will, as we embark on a journey that I like to call "Seven Degrees of Charlie Manson."
    Before doing so, allow me to introduce a few members of the stellar cast of this strange and twisted tale:

    # Sharon Tate - the most famous of the Manson victims, and the daughter of Colonel Paul Tate, U.S. Army Intelligence. Tate was killed on August 9, 1969, along with Abigail Folger, Steven Parent, Jay Sebring, and Voytek Frykowski.
    # Kenneth Anger - former child-star turned underground filmmaker, and the son of a 'military-industrial complex' engineer who developed machine-guns for Kellogg during WWII and later worked for Douglas Aircraft.
    # Judy Garland - child actor and singer who was kept drugged on a daily basis from about the age of five, first by her mother, and then by the studios. Garland was found dead on the summer solstice of 1969, just seven weeks before the Tate/LaBianca murders.
    # John Phillips - musician/composer who founded the singing group The Mamas and The Papas and who was born in a military hospital, the son of a career Marine officer. John later attended the U.S. Naval Academy.
    # Roy Radin - theatrical producer who specialized in staging vaudeville revival shows. Radin was working with Robert Evans to produce The Cotton Club when he was shot some twenty-seven times in the head in 1983. Radin began his career while still a teenager by staging shows in Masonic temples.
    # The Hell's Angels - the most well-known of the biker gangs that arose after WWII due to the efforts of returning OSS and military officers. The Angels were led by Ralph "Sonny" Barger, reportedly an informant for the Oakland Police Department who was also on the payroll of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
    # Jayne Mansfield - actress/sex symbol who was decapitated, allegedly in a car accident, on June 29, 1967. According to Jayne's daughter, Mansfield's parties featured the rich and famous getting naked and filming themselves. Tate and husband RomanPolanski were reportedly the producers and collectors of 'fame porn' as well.
    # Robert F. Kennedy - U.S. Senator and presidential candidate who was assassinated in Hollywood on June 5, 1968. Kennedy was allegedly shot from point-blank range behind his right ear by Sirhan Sirhan, who was standing several yards in front of and to the left of the candidate. Like I said, shit happens.

    Without further ado, we begin this journey - for no particular reason - with the aforementioned Phil Hartman, who was a highschool friend of Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, who later became a disciple of Charlie Manson, a jailhouse correspondent of John Hinckley, and the attempted assassin of President Gerald Ford, who was once a roommate of modeling entrepreneur Harry Conover, whose wife was the infamous Candy Jones, who was 'treated' by CIA-linked hypnotist William Jennings Bryan, who also 'treated' the purported Boston Strangler, Albert DeSalvo, whose name was written repetitively throughout the diaries of Sirhan Sirhan, who was also 'treated' by Bryan, who served as the technical director on The Manchurian Candidate, which was directed by John Frankenheimer, at whose beach house a dinner was held on June 5, 1968 whose attendees included "Mama" Cass Elliot, Roman Polanski, and Sharon Tate, who was killed just over a year later by followers of Charlie Manson, whose music was recorded by Doris Day's son, music producer Terry Melcher, who lived with girlfriend Candace Bergen at 10050 Cielo Drive the year before it became a slaughterhouse after being rented by Polanski, who initially was slated to pen the screenplay for Day of the Dolphin, which purported to tell the story of Dr. John Lilly, who was a friend of Timothy Leary, whose Mellon family-owned Millbrook estate was frequently visited by Dr. Max "Feelgood" Jacobson, who once 'treated' Judy Garland and who served as the personal physician of John Kennedy, whose assassination prompted the shelving of the film The Manchurian Candidate by its star, Frank Sinatra, who was a frequent companion of fellow 'Brat Packer' Sammy Davis, Jr., who was an acknowledged member of Anton LaVey's Church of Satan, from where Manson recruited killers Bobby "Cupid" Beausoleil and Susan "Sexy Sadie" Atkins, who confessed to her cellmates that she had stabbed to death actress Sharon Tate, who was inducted into witchcraft on the set of the Polanski-directed film The Fearless Vampire Killers by Alexander "King of the Witches" Saunders, who received 'training' as a child from Aleister Crowley, whose followers included Anton LaVey and fellow Church of Satan member Kenneth Anger, who was the roommate (and probable lover) of Family member Bobby Beausoleil, who once appeared in an underground film titled Mondo Hollywood, which also featured hairdresser and Manson victim Jay Sebring, who was a former lover of Sharon Tate, who was a friend of a wealthy widow named Charlene Caffritz, who played host to - and filmed the exploits of - Charlie and some of his girls, who also lived for a time with Beach Boy Dennis Wilson, who recorded a song penned by Charlie, who was an occasional member of the entourage of Mama Cass, who was listed as a defense witness for Charlie's trial (but never called), as was her Mamas and the Papas band-mate John Phillips, who was close to Polanski, Tate, Melcher, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Cass Elliot, and film producer Robert Evans, who was working with - and very likely contracted the execution killing of - Roy Radin, whose assistant was Michael DeVinko aka Mickie DeVinko aka Mickie Deans, who married - just a few months before her untimely death - Wizard of Oz star Judy Garland, who as a teen was flooded with phone messages and telegrams by admirer Oscar Levant, whose dead body was found by Candace Bergen, who - as a photojournalist for Life magazine - covered the preempted presidential campaign of Robert Kennedy, who was romantically linked to Marilyn Monroe, who was also linked to Anton LaVey, who appeared in Kenneth Anger's Invocation of My Demon Brother (released in August of 1969) along with Bobby Beausoleil, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, who was a guest at the 1968 London wedding of Sharon Tate to Roman Polanski, who - during a nude photo shoot - molested a thirteen-year-old girl at the home of Jack Nicholson, who was a friend of Cass Elliot, as were Robert Evans and Manson victims Jay Sebring, Voytek Frykowski and Abigail Folger, who provided funding for the Himalayan Academy, which Kenneth Anger helped form with Timothy Leary, who was at the side of the stage at the 1969 Altamont concert where - while the Rolling Stones played the Process Church-inspired Sympathy for the Devil* - a fan was killed on film by the Hell's Angels, who had been romanticized and transformed into anti-establishment heroes in the film Scorpio Rising by Kenneth Anger and the book Hell's Angels by Hunter S. Thompson, both of whom have been accused of making snuff films** for private collectors, which was also a favorite pastime of Charlie Manson, one of whose underage recruits was Didi Lansbury, who had written permission to travel with Charlie from her mother, Angela Lansbury, who starred as the control agent in The Manchurian Candidate, which was based on the novel of the same name by Richard Condon, who once served as a publicist for Walt Disney, who once owned the home where the Manson Family slaughtered Leno LaBianca and wife Rosemary, who was involved in the trafficking of drugs, as were many of those in this twisted saga, including Charles Manson, victims Voytek Frykowski and Abigail Folger, John Phillips and Kenneth Anger, who was a huge fan of the dark and violent imagery of the Rosicrucian-inspired, L. Frank Baum-penned Oz books, which inspired the band The Magick Powerhouse of Oz, which was led by Bobby Beausoleil, who was also at one time in the band Love with Arthur Lee, four of whose members later turned up dead or missing and presumed dead, as did Charlene Caffritz, Cass Elliot (who allegedly choked on a sandwich in 1974), Dennis Wilson (who allegedly drowned on December 28, 1983), and Gram Parsons, whose corpse was stolen and burned at Joshua Tree on the autumnal equinox of 1973 by his band's road manager, Phil Kaufman, who was a good friend from prison of Charlie Manson, who met (at Cass Elliot's house) and received money from victim Abigail Folger, who also funded Kenneth Anger, who at various times lived with both Jimmy Page (who purchased Crowley's home and many of his artifacts) and Keith Richards & Anita Pallenberg, whose home - in 1979 - yielded the body of a teenager who had been shot to death, as was John Lennon the next year by Mark David Chapman, who shortly before doing so met with - and offered a gift of live bullets to - Kenneth Anger, whose films were cited as a major influence by photographer Robert Mapplethorpe, who was implicated by witnesses in the Halloween 1981 execution killing of New York photographer Ronald Sisman (a close associate of Roy Radin), who was reportedly in possession of a snuff film of one of the Son of Sam murders, which were allegedly committed by David Berkowitz, who from prison accurately described the Sisman killing before it happened and who took the fall for the Son of Sam murders to cover up the involvement of others, including possibly Roy Radin and wealthy art dealer Andrew Crispo, who admitted being present at the site of a ritual murder which was committed by a man named Bernard LeGeros, who was the son of a State Department official, as was Pic Dawson, who was a regular member of the entourage of Cass Elliot, as was a one-time bodyguard of publisher Larry Flynt named Bill Mentzer, who was convicted of killing Radin and who was suspected of involvement in numerous other contract murders, including some of those attributed to David Berkowitz, who was 'examined' by psychiatrist/hypnotist Daniel Schwartz, as was Mark David Chapman, who was obsessed with the film The Wizard of Oz and the book The Catcher in the Rye, which was written by reclusive author J.D. Salinger, who served in the OSS with Henry Kissinger, who was a close adviser to Gerald Ford, who once met and shook hands with Mark David Chapman, who was 'examined' by psychiatrist/hypnotist Bernard Diamond, who also 'examined' Sirhan Sirhan, who had connections to the Process Church, as did many of those ensnared in this sordid web, including Kenneth Anger, John Phillips, Roy Radin, David Berkowitz and Charlie Manson, who attended a New Year's Eve party at the home of John Phillips, who wrote the siren song of the 'Summer of Love,' bringing thousands of hippies and flower children streaming into San Francisco and into the hands of such figures as Louis "Dr. Jolly" West, Anton LaVey, Charlie Manson, Bobby Beausoleil, Timothy Leary and Kenneth Anger, who - just three days after the suspicious death of Rolling Stone Brian Jones - filmed the Hell's Angels stomping the crowd at a 1969 Stones concert in London, just five months before they did the very same thing to the crowd at Altamont, which was organized by San Francisco attorney Melvin Belli, who consulted with F. Lee Bailey whilst the latter was busily railroading Albert DeSalvo and later consulted with Richard "The Night Stalker" Ramirez, who was offered an honorary membership in the Church of Satan by Anton LaVey's daughter Zeena, who along with boyfriend Nickolas Schreck staged an event on 8-8-88 celebrating the slaughter of the victims of the Manson Family, who some researchers believe were involved in the murders attributed to the "Zodiac," who called and sent correspondence to Melvin Belli, whose clients included the widow of Hermann Goering and Jack Ruby, who assassinated Lee Harvey Oswald, the purported assassin of John Kennedy, whose brother Robert was romantically linked to Jayne Mansfield, as was Anton LaVey, who served as Roman Polanski's technical director on the 1968 film Rosemary's Baby, which was set in New York's Dakota Apartments, where John Lennon was gunned down by Mark David Chapman, who shared a fixation on The Catcher in the Rye with failed assassin John Hinckley, Jr., who stalked actress Jodie Foster, who is working on a film biography of Leni Riefenstahl, who was met by - and admired by - fellow filmmaker Kenneth Anger, who laced his film Scorpio Rising with Nazi imagery, including the prominent use of swastikas, not unlike the one carved into the forehead of Charlie Manson, who - at the Cielo Drive home of Polanski and Tate - had a chance meeting with Nancy Sinatra, the daughter of Frank Sinatra, who was married to actress Mia Farrow, who starred in the Polanski-directed Rosemary's Baby, which was produced by Robert Evans, a friend of Henry Kissinger, who was the righthand man of President Richard Nixon, whose election was ensured by the assassination of Robert Kennedy by Sirhan Sirhan, who was yet another client of Melvin Belli, as were the Hell's Angels and Nazi-collaborator Errol Flynn, who made two films with Ronald Reagan, who was an occasional visitor to the childhood home of Candace Bergen, who - as a photojournalist - chronicled the short-lived administration of Gerald Ford, who married one of his friend Harry Conover's 'Covergirls,' who later opened the Betty Ford Center, where various celebrities in and out of this web routinely check in for tune-ups.
    I could probably go on, but I really have to get back to work on my screenplay. I'm thinking of trying to break into Hollywood. I have this great script about a guy who is propelled to the heights of power through a combination of fraud, arrogance, legal manipulation and public denial to lead an imperialist military power that masterfully uses propaganda to turn reality on its head.
    When the man-who-would-be-king first takes office, the public views him with a considerable amount of well-deserved skepticism. But then there is an apparent attack upon the state which is used as a pretext to rally the support of the people behind a reactionary social agenda and a war of unspecified duration with unspecified goals. Some suspect that the attack was actually an inside job, but they are ridiculed by those who scoff at the notion that their government would attack one of its own institutions.
    Meanwhile, the anti-hero sells the country out to huge corporate and financial interests and institutes overt police state measures to keep the masses in line should the people ever begin to catch on that their collective reality is little more than a grand illusion. Much later, historians reluctantly admit that the purported attack was in fact a staged provocation, but by then it is too late.
    I'm almost done with the final draft. I just have to decide whether to name my anti-hero Adolf or George. Then I'm going to have my people get in touch with Jerry Bruckheimer's people and close the deal.
    Of course, I might have to take out some of the plot elements and replace them with gratuitous, but really cool, special effects sequences. But it will still be a great movie. Maybe even as good as the biography of the Marquis de Sade that Kenneth Anger had long planned to film, in the original castle where deSade's crimes were committed. But that's another story altogether.
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    More coincidences - 7 degrees of Charlie Manson Dave McGowan
    An impressive archive of connections on the dark side. I guess the facetiousness of 'coincidences' is justified under the weight of an otherwise vast web of occult connections; but my guess is that there is very little of genuine coincidence throughout the piece.

    Pretty sombre and sobering stuff it is too.

    I'm even more intrigued by the Polanski arrest timing. The more I ponder it, the less I think it is connected with US/Swiss manoeuvrings over UBS. The whole nexus of issues exposed in that McGowan piece have pretty much vanished from public view over the period of Polanski's 'fugitive' life. Whilst he is unlikely to be in a position to do much light-shedding from a US prison, my revised guess - and it is a guess - is that the timing is more likely connected with some grouping (Swiss/US SIS's; other power brokers, whatever) deciding that renewed light-shedding might serve their purposes.

    Sure as Hell it is NOT just another of those 'coincidences'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Lemkin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Klimkowski View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Helen Reyes View Post
    The only detail that pops to mind is the Polannski/Tate dinner on the eve of of RFK's assassination, but I can't remember the connexion.
    Allegedly, on the night before Senator Robert Kennedy's assassination (June 5, 1968), RFK had dinner with director John Frankenheimer and Roman Polanski and his wife Sharon Tate.

    Frankenheimer was of course the director of the original The Manchurian Candidate and Seven Days In May. John F Kennedy apparently spoke with Frankenheimer about both projects.

    Technical adviser on The Manchurian Candidate was MK-ULTRA programmer, William Jennings Bryan, who has links to Candy Jones and Sirhan Sirhan (amongst many other notables).
    The plot thickens!....now, that is a very interesting coincidence (sic)!
    Indeed yes - and new to me too.
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Klimkowski View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Magda Hassan View Post
    I heard this too on the radio today and though much the same. He has been in and out of Switzerland countless times over the years. I didn't realise he owns a home there and that makes it even stranger. I find his crime repulsive but if he has conducted himself appropriately since then and if his victim has in some way come to terms with it and does not wish to pursue the matter I don't see why he had to be arrested now or ever. There have been plenty of other times and places he could have been arrested. Why don't they do something really useful and go and arrest Bush and Cheney and the Prince of Darkness instead of leaving it to the Spanish judge?
    Polanski drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl he had booked for a photoshoot at the home of Jack Nicholson.

    "Hollywood morals" is no defence. So, like you, I find his crime repulsive and morally indefensible.

    I also have seen and heard enough to suspect that Polanski is a deeply disturbed and potentially violent individual. Whilst I agree with Peter that the Manson Family was a "strategy of tension" experiment, their victims were not randomly chosen.

    There was some deeply nasty stuff going on in the Hollywood circles in which Polanski and the puppet Manson moved. Maury Terry turned over the rock to expose the underside, and everyone screamed and ran for cover....

    Having said all that, the timing is interesting given Polanski's frequent trips to Switzerland.

    If only the same effort was put into bringing war criminal politicians to justice...
    He drugged her and also raped her anally. His sentence was very light, days compared to the years a regular non Hollywood perspn would get. Then he fled. She was 13. Different rules if you're famous. Does anyone else here have a daughter? Or one was was raped? Sorry I have zero sympathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Guyatt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Lemkin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Klimkowski View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Helen Reyes View Post
    The only detail that pops to mind is the Polannski/Tate dinner on the eve of of RFK's assassination, but I can't remember the connexion.
    Allegedly, on the night before Senator Robert Kennedy's assassination (June 5, 1968), RFK had dinner with director John Frankenheimer and Roman Polanski and his wife Sharon Tate.

    Frankenheimer was of course the director of the original The Manchurian Candidate and Seven Days In May. John F Kennedy apparently spoke with Frankenheimer about both projects.

    Technical adviser on The Manchurian Candidate was MK-ULTRA programmer, William Jennings Bryan, who has links to Candy Jones and Sirhan Sirhan (amongst many other notables).
    The plot thickens!....now, that is a very interesting coincidence (sic)!
    Indeed yes - and new to me too.

    Hmmmm...this is weird. I did not know about the dinner. There are too many timing coincidences here.

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    Many courageous and gifted researchers have delved into this deep dark world. Mae Brussell, John Judge, Maury Terry, Adam Gorightly, Peter Levenda, Dave McGowan.

    Dave McGowan's beatnik rap piles coincidence upon coincidence in a way that perhaps only Jung could unpick.

    Here's a speculative trip into this world.

    Disclaimer: I can vouch for the absolute truth of none of the following. I can confirm its archetypal ugliness.

    As a child, Polanski was traumatized by his experiences. This may have helped him become an artist of great talent. However, his films have a coldness, a meticulous devotion to form and appearance. His films also frequently contain scenes of violence, sometimes extreme violence - see early work such as A Murderer (1955), A Knife in the Water (1962) and Repulsion (1965), and his first film after the slaughter, The Tragedy of Macbeth (1972), which is explicit both in its violence and in its portrayal of the potency of sexuality.

    In 1967, Sharon Tate was cast in The Fearless Vampire Killers against Polanski's wishes. He was tyrannical in his directing of her, insisting on Tate completing seventy takes for one particular scene.

    According to Dave McGowan, Tate was inducted into witchcraft by a very prominent Wiccan and Crowleyite during the filming of The Fearless Vampire Killers.

    In the foreword to Vol 3 of Peter Levenda's Sinister Forces, Paul Krassner writes about the "porn flicks" that the LAPD allegedly discovered in the loft of the Cielo Drive slaughter scene:

    "I consulted San Francisco private investigator Hal Lipset, whose career had been the basis for The Conversation, starring Gene Hackman. Lipset informed me that not only did Los Angeles police seize porn movies and videotapes, but also that individual officers were selling them. He had talked with one police source who told him exactly which porn flicks were available - a total of seven hours' worth for a quarter-million dollars. Lipset began reciting a litany of these porn movies. The most notorious was Greg Bautzer, an attorney for financier Howard Hughes, together with Jane Wyman, the former wife of then-Governor Ronald Reagan. There was Sharon Tate with Dean Martin. There was Sharon with Steve McQueen. There was Sharon with two black bisexual men.

    "'The cops weren't too happy about that one,' Lipsett recalled.

    "There was reportedly a video of Cass Elliott from The Mamas and The Papas in an orgy with Yul Brynner, Peter Sellers and Warren Beatty. Coincidentally, Brynner and Sellers, together with John Phillips of The Mamas and The Papas, had offered a reward of $25,000 for the capture of the killers. I always felt these executioners had a prior connection with their victims. I finally tracked down a reporter who had hung around with police and seen a porn video of Susan Atkins with one of her victims, Wojciech Frykowski. When I asked Manson about that, he responded: 'You are ill advised and misled. [Victim Jay] Sebring done Susan's hair and I think he sucked one or two of her dicks. I'm not sure who she was walking out from her stars and cages, that girl loves dick, you know what I mean, hon. Yul Brynner, Peter Sellers...'"
    Polanski is obsessed with image and form, and his themes are death, violence and the occult. His interest in sex is essentially gynaecological and voyeuristic.

    He is precisely the type to have filmed beautiful women fucking, including or perhaps especially, his wife. He probably even ordered retakes....

    Murdered with Tate were Jay Sebring, a longtime sexual partner of Tate, and a major cocaine and mescaline dealer. Frykowski and the heiress Folger were also, at the very least, participant in the sex, drugs and violence in which these characters were immersed.

    Dennis Hopper was allegedly involved in a party in Cielo Drive, a few days before the Manson Family paid their visit, whose highlight was the flogging of a drug dealer (over a bum deal). Hopper's flagellation was - surprize surprize - allegedly filmed.

    Dave McGowan on Dennis Hopper:

    For those who may be unfamiliar with Hoppers body of work, he is the guy who was once found wandering naked and bewildered in a Mexican forest. And the guy who, after divorcing Hayward in 1969, married Michelle Phillips on Halloween day, 1970, only to have her file for divorce just eight days later claiming that Hopper had kept her handcuffed and imprisoned for a week while making unnatural sexual demands.

    Without passing judgment here, I think its fair to say that Michelle Phillips has been around the block a time or two, if you catch my drift, so if even she thought Hoppers demands were a bit over the top, then one can only wonder just how unnatural they might have been. For what its worth, Hopper just recently told a journalist that he didnt handcuff her, [he] just punched her out! In his mind, apparently, that makes him somewhat less of an asshole.

    Most official biographies of Hopper would lead one to believe that he was the son of a simple farmer. Dennis recently acknowledged, however, that that was clearly not the case: My mothers father was a wheat farmer and I was raised on their farm. But my father was not a farmer. To the contrary, Hoppers dad was a working person in intelligence who during WWII was in the OSS. He was in China, Burma, India. Hopper has proudly proclaimed that his father was one of the 100 guys that liberated General Wainright out of prison in Korea, which might be a little more impressive were it not for the fact that it was actually the Red Army that freed Wainright and other prisoners; the US intel team just came to pick them up, debrief them and transport them home but that, I suppose, isnt really relevant.

    After the war, according to Hopper, his dad carried a gun, which I suppose is what most lay ministers in the Methodist Church do. The family also left the farm in Kansas and relocated to San Diego, California, home of the Imperial Beach Naval Air Station, the United States Naval Radio Station, the United States Naval Amphibious Base, the North Island Naval Air Station, Fort Rosecrans Military Reservation, the United States Naval Training Center, the United States Marine Corps Recruit Depot, and the Miramar Marine Corps Air Station. And just north of the city sits the massive Camp Pendleton Marine Corps Base. Other than that though, San Diego is just a sleepy little beach town where Hoppers dad ostensibly worked for the Post Office.

    The modern version of Dennis Hopper, by the way, is wildly at odds with the hippie image that he at one time tried very hard to cultivate. Todays Dennis Hopper is an unapologetic cheerleader for Team Bush who proudly boasts of having voted a straight Republican ticket for nearly thirty years. He could very well turn up on the campaign trail in the coming months with his lips firmly planted on the ass of war criminal John McCain.
    http://www.illuminati-news.com/articles2/00225.html

    It seems the part of the sexual psychopath, Frank Booth, in Blue Velvet, came very easily to Hopper.

    Polanski's frequent executive producer and collaborator was Robert Evans. For those with eyes wide open, consider Maury Terry's The Ultimate Evil.

    In 1977, eight years after Sharon Tate, with an unborn child in her womb, was carved up by the Manson Family, the 44-year-old Roman Polanski drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl, probably sodomizing her.

    Back in 1968, also reportedly at the dinner on the eve of Bobby Kennedy's assassination involving RFK, Frankenheimer, Polanski and Tate, was "Mama" Cass Elliott of The Mamas and The Papas.

    There is no record of Manchurian Candidate technical consultant and MK-ULTRA narco-trauma-hypnosis programmer, William Jennings Bryan, attending the dinner.

    I'm going to be self-indulgent and quote myself:

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    Synopsis of the 1940 film of Maeterlinck's Blue Bird, starring Shirley Temple:

    Mytyl (Shirley Temple), the bratty daughter of a woodcutter, finds a unique bird in the Royal Forest and selfishly refuses to give it to her sick friend. That night she is visited in a dream by a fairy named Berylune who sends her and her brother Tytyl to search for the Blue Bird of Happiness. To accompany them, the fairy magically transforms their dog Tylo, cat Tylette (played by Gale Sondergaard), and lantern ("Light") (played by Helen Ericson) into human form. The children have a number of adventures including a visit with their (deceased) grandparents in the Land of the Past, a stay in The Land of Luxury, an attack by angry trees and lightning which results in a forest fire, a meeting with Father Time, and, in the Land of Tomorrow, populated by unborn children, a meeting with Abraham Lincoln as a young boy (he prophesies "they will destroy me"), and a meeting with their future sister. The dream journey makes the previously unhappy and selfish Mytyl awake as a kinder and gentler girl who has learned to appreciate all the comforts and joys of her home and family. Much like MGM's The Wizard of Oz, the story starts in sepia and changes to Technicolor for the magical dream sequence.
    Sharon Tate's own words:

    Id like to be a fairy princessa little golden doll with gossamer wings, in a voile dress, adorned with bright, shiny things. I see that as something totally pure and beautiful. Everything thats realistic has some sort of ugliness in it."
    Project Blue Bird was the first known codename for the narco-hypnosis-behaviourist-trauma mind control experimentation undertaken by US intelligence agencies in the immediate aftermath of WW2.

    A key part of Lee Harvey Oswald's intelligence legend was created at the Bluebird cafe in Yamato, whilst he was stationed at the U-2 and MK-ULTRA base otherwise known at Atsugi.
    http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/for...read.php?t=698

    Candy Tate

    Sharon Jones

    The Bluebird of Happiness.

    The Blue Bird of Synchronicity.

    When is a coincidence a synchronicity?

    Maurice Maeterlinck and L'oiseau bleu


    Tap tap tap tap tap......
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    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

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    Another thing that happened this week which may just be another coincidence and peripheral is the release of the book by Mackenzie Phillips who is the daughter of John Phillips of the iconic 60's band The Mama and the Papas. In it she reveals that she and her Papa had an incestuous relationship for several years.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_294479.html
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    Let's not forget the recent (strange) death of David Carradine.

    http://www.maxim.com/movies/articles...carradine.html



    In 1974, while he was starring in Kung Fu, Carradine was convicted of wandering into a neighbors home in Laurel Canyon high on peyote, trashing the place, then sitting down to play the piano. (The police apprehended him by following the trail of bloodtwo pints worthfrom a broken window.) The same day, Carradine leapt from a car naked and bleeding and attacked a woman he believed to be a witch, beating her and demanding she remove her clothes, for which he was later forced to pay $20,000. This was followed by drug arrests, DWIs, and assault charges too numerous to mention. Carradines dualitya healthy lifestyle advocate who smoked two packs a day; a spiritual being whose most prized possession was his Ferraricarried over to many of the roles he played, from the ass-kicking monk of Kung Fu to the cold-blooded assassin and loving father of Kill Bill.

    Carradine was married five times, and within days of his death stories broke in the U.S. press about his robust history of sexual adventurism. Unnamed friends claimed he had a history of engaging in autoerotic asphyxiation, the practice of choking oneself (usually with a noose) to produce more intense orgasms. In divorce papers filed by his fourth wife, Marina Anderson, she cited abhorrent and deviant sexual behavior. (She also reported an incestuous relationship with a very close family member.) Another of his ex-wives, Gail Jensen, told the New York Daily News that he would construct elaborate bondage devices to tie himself up. A quick call to the Stretch production office reaches someone who identifies himself as the American, who says the film is currently in flux. Russ Markowitz, who helped finance the film, informs me later that the crew members were all made to sign agreements not to comment on Carradine or Stretch. From what I was told, he says, Carradine was very prepared and professional on set and kept to himself during his time off. I believe he was sched--uled to work the next day.

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    "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
    Buckminster Fuller

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