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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Klimkowski View Post
    Part Three:

    The Bishop and the Boys - Part Three: Jack Martin and the Camp Street
    Cathedral

    “Similarly, as with CRISMAN, I think that in the course of the memo
    the periodic necessary references to the OLD CHURCHES have half
    answered the question. Applying to this subject the available
    models, I suggest that the most likely rational conclusion is that
    here, again – except with more particularity – we have a clandestine
    substructure developed to serve the intelligence community’s concept
    of national security.

    A bizarre structure, to be sure, but its very
    strangeness … makes it all the more safe from possible investigators
    who are looking for spies wearing trenchcoats and carrying, like so
    many James Bonds, gold cigarette cases. The churches – like all
    churches – are virtually free from official inquiry by virtue of the
    Constitution, not to mention American custom. The “ministers” and “
    bishops” can accumulate money (religious fund raising) without
    serious inquiry as to the sources. They are free from the 9 to 5
    routine expected of normal, patriotic Americans, free to operate in
    relative seclusion from the expected social involvements, free to
    engage in obscure crusades or missions and free to travel extensively
    … as assignments may dictate. And where, as may be the case in some
    instances, there may actually be a home structure for the particular
    church, one would have the most natural of safe houses.”

    -- Handwritten memo
    from New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison to Jonathan Blackmer
    of the House Subcommittee on Assassinations, dated July 18, 1977
    regarding Thomas E. Beckham.

    The story of Jack Martin is almost as strange as that of his
    old friend and fellow clergyman, David Ferrie. With Jack, we are in
    the same twilight world we are with Ferrie and Oswald. In fact,
    “Jack Martin” is not even his real name.

    Jack S. Martin was born in Phoenix, Arizona on July 1, 1915,
    but his name at the time was Edward Stewart Suggs. Like Carl
    Stanley, he eventually developed an arrest record and had served in
    the US Army during World War II. He became a back-alley abortionist
    in Houston, Texas after the war and had to flee the state when one of
    “Dr Suggs’s” patients died as a result of his medical incompetence.
    The resulting murder charge was later dismissed, however, and Suggs
    eventually wound up in New Orleans (about 1954) where he became John
    Stewart Martin, Sr. or, simply, Jack Martin or Jack S. Martin.

    Jack Martin is a pretty common name, so perhaps we should not be
    surprised to see a Special Agent Jack S. Martin appearing on Project
    Blue Book documents dating back to 1949, years before Edward Suggs
    changed his name (as far as we know). This particular Jack S. Martin
    was in California at the same time as our Ed Suggs, but was working
    for the OSI, or Office of Special Investigations, a department of the
    US Air Force. This is shown by OSI documents from October 1949 in
    which S/A Jack S. Martin was investigating UFO sightings in northern
    California by an Edward W. Gurband, a Roy Oliver Neely, and a
    Reverend Curtis Daniels that had taken place on August 1, 1949 in the
    San Francisco area. Our Jack S. Martin, however, is not known to
    have changed his name that early and, besides, there is no evidence
    at all that he ever worked for the Air Force. However, just to be
    devil’s advocate for a moment, there was no US Air Force during World
    War II; it was known as the Army Air Corps then, so it is possible –
    just barely possible – that Suggs/Martin did work for the Army Air
    Corps as an enlisted man or even as military police, but I have been
    unable to find Suggs’ military record to confirm or deny this
    possibility. I just leave it here as an unresolved issue. It would
    be amusing (if not a little unnerving) to discover that both Guy
    Banister and Jack Martin were investigating UFOs for the government
    at the same time, though!

    Getting back to Suggs, however, we find that he was passing himself
    off as variously an FBI agent or a CIA agent in the late 1950s and
    early 1960s, before the Kennedy assassination. An alcoholic, he
    wound up in a mental ward at New Orleans’ Charity Hospital in January
    of 1957, with “sociopathic personality disorder, antisocial type”.
    All during this time he was married to the long-suffering Paula
    Martin and even had a child, but he was unable to hold down a job for
    any length of time.

    This is a familiar pattern in the Kennedy assassination case. Lee
    Harvey Oswald had the same track record as a married man with
    children, unable to hold down a job, and who had been under
    psychiatric observation (at least, in the Soviet Union). If we are
    to believe the record, both men had delusions of grandeur and could
    be considered antisocial sociopaths. And, of course, both had
    military service and both wound up in New Orleans at the same time,
    working out of Guy Banister’s Camp Street office. Oswald, however,
    was not an alcoholic nor was he one of Carl Stanley’s bishops.

    As another aside, both Ferrie and Martin were involved in unorthodox
    medical practices and experimentation. Ferrie’s obsession with
    curing cancer is well-known and documented, as well as his practice
    of hypnosis, and Martin had an on-again, off-again fascination with
    various forms of medicine, homeopathy, chiropracty, hypnosis, and the
    like.

    In 1960, Martin was interviewed by the FBI on charges that he was
    impersonating an FBI agent. Martin seemed to have offered the Feds a
    deal in which he would reveal that one Carl J. Stanley of Kentucky
    was running an illegal operation by furnishing false ordination
    certificates and other worthless paper. The FBI interviewed Stanley
    himself, and came away with the opinion that both Stanley and Martin
    were fruitcakes.

    There it would have ended had it not been for the events in Dallas of
    November, 1963 and a series of bizarre phone calls that took place
    between Stanley and the FBI, and Martin and the FBI in the hours
    after the Kennedy assassination.

    Sometimes things are just as they seem, even in conspiracy studies.
    After all, the world is full of drunks, sociopaths, unemployed and
    unemployable men with delusions of grandeur who await the next big
    break … or the next big bender. There are men who claim to be agents
    of the FBI or the CIA who have never even seen one up close. And
    there are men who defame the character of other men in revenge for
    imagined wrongs, who then recant their stories in embarrassment when
    confronted by authority.

    This is probably a fair characterization of the conspiracy cases
    against David Ferrie and Jack Martin. After all, it is entirely
    possible that neither man had anything at all to do with the
    assassination or had anything to offer by way of relevant information
    or evidence. The book by Daniel Hopsicker – Barry and the Boys –
    does provide additional evidence on the role of David Ferrie and the
    anti-Castro underground, however, as well as of his presumed ties to
    US intelligence agencies, most of it in the form of personal
    interviews with law enforcement personnel and others who knew Ferrie
    in the late 1950s and early 1960s, and for that reason alone is quite
    important.

    And then there’s Jack Martin.

    Jack is portrayed as a hopeless drunk and, indeed, most of the
    investigators out of Jim Garrison’s office confirm that view. Martin
    is usually cited as the person who started the entire Garrison
    investigation rolling by calling the DA’s attention to David Ferrie
    as a suspect in the assassination. An examination of Martin’s
    initial statement to the FBI on November 25, 1963, however, reveals
    that Martin’s information on Ferrie was surprisingly accurate.

    He mentioned that Lee Harvey Oswald had been in Ferrie’s Civil Air
    Patrol squadron and that the two men knew each other, a claim that
    was contested for years before photographs surfaced showing Oswald
    and Ferrie together during a CAP outing. In fact, Martin told the
    FBI that he saw photos of Oswald and Ferrie together at Ferrie’s
    apartment. He also told investigators that Ferrie had a stock of
    weapons at his apartment, which was also true.

    Further, he had details of Ferrie’s problems with the law in the
    matter of “crimes against nature” with young boys, and of his
    penchant for hypnotism. He said that Ferrie had been “educated in a
    seminary”, which is also true.

    In fact, there is probably nothing in that initial report that is wrong.

    In the second interview, dated November 27, 1963, Martin insisted
    that he never said he heard Ferrie say he was going to kill Kennedy.
    He honestly reported that much of what he knew about Ferrie came from
    information he obtained from third parties, and that was pretty much
    the end of it. The only salient points of the two interviews was the
    information that Ferrie and Oswald knew each other. Later, to
    District Attorney Jim Garrison, Martin would suggest that Ferrie had
    hypnotized Oswald to commit the assassination, but that was not
    presented as a fact but only as conjecture.

    Martin, however, was not the only one contacting the FBI concerning
    the possible relationship of David Ferrie to the assassination.
    Stanley himself had told the FBI that he suspected Martin and Ferrie
    of involvement. It was a case of rats turning against each other.
    But why? Why the Kennedy assassination?

    Most critics of the JFK conspiracy theories attack the New Orleans
    episode as so much smoke. They feel that Jim Garrison’s case had no
    validity, no credibility. That Ferrie, Martin, Banister, and the
    rest were all colorful characters but they had nothing to do with the
    assassination. That Oswald never really visited the Camp Street
    office of Guy Banister. That he never met any of the individuals
    with whom he is usually associated: Clay Shaw, David Ferrie, or Guy
    Banister himself.

    But my approach to this case has been somewhat different. I’m not
    trying to prove anything. I only want to point out the incredible
    number of coincidences that multiply around this event and to suggest
    that there is an underlying cause whose very nature escapes us even
    as it is ubiquitous throughout history, our own personal histories as
    well as our national one.

    Ferrie, Martin and Stanley were turning on each other with reckless
    abandon in the days after the assassination. It could be said to
    originate from Jack Martin’s statements to investigators that Ferrie
    was somehow involved with Oswald, but that’s not nearly the whole
    case. Something transpired to make everyone nervous. One can pore
    over the documents and exhibits of the Warren Commission Report for
    years and not find a similar set of circumstances, where a gang of
    strange persons turns on each other and squeals to the authorities
    about their friends’ involvement with the assassination. It’s unique.

    In New Orleans, if we believe that Oswald was involved in some way
    with Banister, he was surrounded by anti-Castro Cubans, gun-runners,
    and wandering bishops. In Dallas, he is surrounded by Russian
    émigrés and oil men. The Dallas clique that includes George de
    Mohrenschildt and Ruth Paine is every bit as strange as the New
    Orleans “cathedral” at Camp Street. (It’s not for nothing that
    Louisiana is divided into parishes instead of counties.) We had men
    with CIA connections in New Orleans around Oswald, and now in Dallas
    we have more of the same. How many readers of this blog know that
    many CIA agents?

    DeMohrenschildt himself was involved with the Russian Orthodox Church
    Outside Russia, a known center for anti-Communist and specifically
    anti-Soviet activity and espionage. Yet another Orthodox church in
    the vicinity of Oswald.

    And was Jack Martin really investigating “phony” churches on behalf
    of the US government? Or was he trying to call someone’s attention
    to something? Jack Martin remained a bishop with the American
    Orthodox Catholic Church to the end of his days, even going so far as
    to bring in another Banister associate, the corpulent attorney and
    unapologetic racist Thomas Jude Baumler, to the Orthodox fold,
    consecrating Baumler a bishop in August of 1974, nearly eleven years
    after the Kennedy assassination and seven years after the beginning
    of the Garrison investigation and the death of both Stanley and Ferrie.

    From personal correspondence with an individual involved with this
    affair, I learned that Baumler had already been ordained a priest by
    Stanley years before; in other words, prior to Stanley’s death in
    March, 1967. Baumler’s status in New Orleans society was assured; he
    came from an old family and was associated with one of the famous
    Mardi Gras “crewes”. In addition, according to my informant,
    Baumler was also a Mason and belonged to the same lodge – the Etoile
    Polair Lodge of the French Grand Orient – as Mafia don Carlos
    Marcello, the man for whom David Ferrie was working on the day of
    the assassination.

    My informant goes on to insist that Martin could be relied upon to
    furnish FBI files on “future applicants for Holy Orders”, a strange
    capability for a hopeless drunk. It is widely rumored that Martin
    had a source at FBI headquarters in New Orleans who provided him
    these files, but he also made it known that he was an investigator
    for the District Attorney’s office – something of which the DA was
    presumably not aware! Yet he had an income of some kind, for he was
    known to travel extensively throughout the United States for years on
    one errand or another involving the bishops, a true “wanderer”.

    What was Baumler’s interest in Carl Stanley and the American Orthodox
    Catholic Church? Why was it attractive to become consecrated the
    Bishop of Baton Rouge-New Orleans in this miniscule, obscure church
    as late as 1974? Soon after his consecration, he went on to
    consecrate another bishop, this time William Francis Forbes, in
    October of 1974. And it was Baumler, after all, who told J. Gary
    Shaw in 1981 that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for Guy Banister. He even
    told Jim Garrison investigator Harold Weisberg in 1969 that he
    personally met the elusive Oswald himself.

    One of the other bishops of the American Orthodox Catholic Church –
    Homer Ferdinand Roebke, an associate and colleague of Carl Stanley –
    consecrated one Forest Ernest Barber on March 7, 1965, less than five
    months after the Forbes consecration. As I am informed by
    investigator David Guyatt, Barber was a member of the Augustan
    Society (an “International Genealogical, Historical, Heraldic and
    Chivalric Society” with some interesting associations) as well as of
    the Shickshinny Knights of Malta, a far-right organization and secret
    society that numbered among its initiates such intelligence notables
    as the rabid right-winger Major General Charles A. Willoughby (the
    former Adolf Tscheppe-Weidenbach and member of General MacArthur’s
    intelligence staff during World War II) as well as Colonel Philip J
    Corso, a man with a long background in intelligence dating from the
    war who was the author of The Day After Roswell, a controversial
    memoire of his experiences in the aftermath of the UFO crash in New
    Mexico.

    Truly, the Guy Banister office at Camp Street in New Orleans could
    properly be considered a “cathedral” for wandering bishops. And a
    clearinghouse for spies.

    To be continued.
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    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bevilaqua View Post
    ...about Vonsiatsky's and de Mohrenschildts White Russian HQ in Harbin, Manchuria (Manchuoko) where he and his close fiends engaged in mind control, programming of Japanese Kamikaze pilots and programmed assassins which he sent on suicide missions into Russia directly from Harbin according to Prof. John Stephan in "The Russian Fascists."
    Harbin was "special" in many ways: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

    Helen, what is your major line of research into the JFK hit?
    None, I'm a rank amateur and dilletante. Currently I think E Howard Hunt, some Minuteman guy, Cordon Hull, Maurice Bishop, George HW Bush and a few others tried to make it look like Castro hit JFK, but drew in enough "sponsors" everywhere to make any theory at least plausible. Miami was the planned venue, Jupiter Island a safe house of sorts, Oswald and Thornley and Ferrie and Shaw and Banister just half-involved for cover. But I don't know, I'm open to anything. OK back to the "wall"

    PS I don't know how significant it is, but Shirer in Rise and Fall speculated Hitler took the swastika symbol from returning Bavarian freikorps volunteers who discovered it in the Baltics and put it on their helmets. The 4 Baltic states of Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania all used it as a military insignia and on medals. He didn't seem to notice Blavatsky put it on her hardcover though.
    Last edited by Helen Reyes; 12-12-2009 at 02:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helen Reyes View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John Bevilaqua View Post
    Helen, do you know what the Latin phrase behind INRI actually is? Where did INRI appear in Biblical History? No fair doing a Bing or a Google on it either.
    oh yeah, ONI, too many three-letter agencies on the brain. Chances are OSI exists in multiple instances, Office of Special Investigations etc.

    INRI: isn't it Iesos Nazoraean Rex Iudii?

    Well, back to the Wailing Wall (post 1) for me, I've got to catch up.
    [LOL] Stop the wailing or you will get the cryptonym of HR/CryOps instead of HR/PsyOps. <grin> See if you can pick out the dozen OSJs in the article just for fun then I will link them back into ManCand.

    Yep, you got it basically. Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Guyatt View Post
    This is fascinating and I feel sure that there was another reason why these Russian fascists headquartered themselves in Harbin, Manchuko (assuming the date of this “exodus” was post Russian Revolution?).

    It is a little known fact these days that circa 1918 the entire Tsar’s treasury was plundered and shipped by train (as I remember it now there were 80 odd cars). This train was under the supervision of a British Army officer (I am told) who was in control of the entire Russian railway network behalf of the Allied Expeditionary Force who had entered Russia at this time to (presumably) safeguard their interests.

    Anyway, cutting to the chase ----- the train bearing the Tsar’s gold disappeared from the face of the world.

    Back when I was investigating these things there were good and sound reason to conclude that most of this plunder ended up in Manchuoko and, in particular Harbin. And by a strange twist of fate, it was Harbin where the WWII Japanese plunder teams were headquartered. And by an even stranger twist of fate, in the late 1990’s the Russian government was still trying to trace the whereabouts of the Tsar’s gold and had made (or were in the process of making) legal claims against the Japanese government for purloining these treasures. This little and intriguing snippet of stately dispute promptly disappeared from the news pages never to reappear again. Ever.

    Of course, the Japanese royal household of those times were closely allied with the British royal household and it just so happens (I am further told) that the unnamed (actually I do know his name) British Army officer who shunted trains for a living grew up on a royal estate in Scotland.

    That naughty officer also diverted all the White Russian reinforcement and munitions trains from Moscow thus ensuring that an almost certain victory of the White Russian army over the Reds failed most miserably. History thence saw Russia become communist. And the British Army officer in question thereafter penned a letter to an unnamed superior (not necessarily his senior militarily speaking) saying words to these effect “you will understand why I did this” (i.e., divert the military reinforcement and munitions trains from Moscow).
    David - what do these claims suggest? That the White Russian army was sabotaged by British interests, whilst the Tsar's gold was despatched to Harbin, where it was controlled by whom? British interests? Or to fund the interests of what became international fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by David Guyatt View Post
    Thank you John for the kindness of your apology. On Martinism there have been various posts on this forum, principally, I believe, as it relates to the oh so very fake Priory of Sion aspect of the best selling book Holy Blood Holy Grail. But more also including the miserable Protocols, the UFO angle (which you’ve briefly mentioned earlier in your introduction) and JFK and Paedophilia and, oh well, it seems to lead almost everywhere in fact. Just enter the term in the search function and you’ll see the various threads I think.

    And I’m all sure we are very happy for you to provide here any research on these fascinating (and for me very important) subjects, so please fire away.
    The French artist, symbolist and initiate Jean Cocteau was alleged to be the Grandmaster of whatever the Priory of Sion may be. If we assume, for speculative purposes, that the Grandmaster Holy Blood line is a deep political construction of French fascists, it remains intriguing that these fascists selected Cocteau, with his particular set of occult interests, as a major C20th Grandmaster. Cocteau is a very resonant choice - regardless of that choice's ontological status.
    Last edited by Jan Klimkowski; 12-12-2009 at 02:28 PM.
    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helen Reyes View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John Bevilaqua View Post
    ...about Vonsiatsky's and de Mohrenschildts White Russian HQ in Harbin, Manchuria (Manchuoko) where he and his close fiends engaged in mind control, programming of Japanese Kamikaze pilots and programmed assassins which he sent on suicide missions into Russia directly from Harbin according to Prof. John Stephan in "The Russian Fascists."
    Harbin was "special" in many ways: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

    Helen, what is your major line of research into the JFK hit?
    None, I'm a rank amateur and dilletante. Currently I think E Howard Hunt, some Minuteman guy, Cordon Hull, Maurice Bishop, George HW Bush and a few others tried to make it look like Castro hit JFK, but drew in enough "sponsors" everywhere to make any theory at least plausible. Miami was the planned venue, Jupiter Island a safe house of sorts, Oswald and Thornley and Ferrie and Shaw and Banister just half-involved for cover. But I don't know, I'm open to anything. OK back to the "wall"

    PS I don't know how significant it is, but Shirer in Rise and Fall speculated Hitler took the swastika symbol from returning Bavarian freikorps volunteers who discovered it in the Baltics and put it on their helmets. The 4 Baltic states of Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania all used it as a military insignia and on medals. He didn't seem to notice Blavatsky put it on her hardcover though.
    Hey you are on the right track. (he said, trying not to appear condescending)
    Draper funded the Real Minutemen, E. Howard Hunt admitted to a limited back-up role and the Eugenics Gang of Bush, Farish, the Grays and Draper all had a hand in it. Definitely the Eugenicists, the OSJ types, especially the Armed Services Committee of OSJ, The Dallas John Birchers and some of Draper's Pioneer Fund psychos, too. And the Council for National Policy, too.

    Check them all out at http://www.seekgod.ca I think it is.

    CNP is loaded with the religious right wing extremist equivalents of the OSJ crowd. Read the other Russ Bellant book about "The Council for National Policy" also by South End Press in Boston or maybe on the web too. Or try
    http://www.abebooks.com for all these older titles at bargain prices.

    Check out http://www.5000watches.com/Kahn who wrote The Secret War Against Russia and another book too. This is a keyword search engine from the Albert Kahn tribute site.


    Hey guys, I have to slow down now and run some errands toady and then do some real work. I have to maintain this site until the 1st of January. http://www.5000Watches.com

    "Wanna buy a watch?", he said while opening his vest. Check it out. I can give you another 5% discount coupon for the holidays, too. <grin>
    Last edited by John Bevilaqua; 12-12-2009 at 02:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Klimkowski View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John Bevilaqua View Post

    Here is another really strange irony which first attracted me to the OSJ about 10-15 years ago:

    The official extended title of the organization is:

    The Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, of (The Island of) Rhodes and of (The Island of) Malta,

    My name is John and I am now from Rhode Island and I was raised by a father who taught at several military academies. He was the personal Spanish tutor to "Wild Bill" Donovan of the "Georgetown Set" and he had to receive a "Secret" or maybe even "Top Secret" clearance in order to do this. My mother was involved in law enforcement and police intelligence work and she is a devout Roman Catholic and I once worked on a project for the Sovereign Bank of New England. Strange huh?

    Thank you for your comments.
    John - thank you for revealing those details of your childhood. Did you ever come across any wandering bishops? Peter Levenda has done excellent investigative work on them, also - in part - from personal contact with some of their, ahem, holy men.

    http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/for...&postcount=115

    http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/for...79&postcount=5
    Possible sightings of Wandering Bishops: there was that priest, whose name escapes me at the minute, that was on the same Mexico trip as Oswald too and Rev. Gerald Lyman Kenneth Smith.
    Edit: I remember now, he was Osborne but he also used another name. Don't they all?
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helen Reyes View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John Bevilaqua View Post
    ...about Vonsiatsky's and de Mohrenschildts White Russian HQ in Harbin, Manchuria (Manchuoko) where he and his close fiends engaged in mind control, programming of Japanese Kamikaze pilots and programmed assassins which he sent on suicide missions into Russia directly from Harbin according to Prof. John Stephan in "The Russian Fascists."
    Harbin was "special" in many ways: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

    Helen, what is your major line of research into the JFK hit?
    None, I'm a rank amateur and dilletante. Currently I think E Howard Hunt, some Minuteman guy, Cordon Hull, Maurice Bishop, George HW Bush and a few others tried to make it look like Castro hit JFK, but drew in enough "sponsors" everywhere to make any theory at least plausible. Miami was the planned venue, Jupiter Island a safe house of sorts, Oswald and Thornley and Ferrie and Shaw and Banister just half-involved for cover. But I don't know, I'm open to anything. OK back to the "wall"

    PS I don't know how significant it is, but Shirer in Rise and Fall speculated Hitler took the swastika symbol from returning Bavarian freikorps volunteers who discovered it in the Baltics and put it on their helmets. The 4 Baltic states of Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania all used it as a military insignia and on medals. He didn't seem to notice Blavatsky put it on her hardcover though.
    Ah yes, Harbin where the desperate Japanese joined up with the desperate White Russians and Hitler to try and defeat the Red Russians. The Japanese worked on Biological Warfare and the White Russians on Psychological Warfare out of Harbin. Eventually Vonsiatsky, Willoughby, Draper and their White Russian OSJ, Russian Orthodox Church, Hetman groups implemented Regime Change, the old fashioned way, when they snuffed JFK. The rest is history.

    Check out The World Anti-Communist League. Maurice Gatlin and Guy Bannister ran The Anti-Communist League of the Carribbean out of the United Fruit building in New Orleans. Read Inside the League by Jon and Scott Anderson (1986, Dodd Meade perhaps) You also have to check out Smedley Butler "War is a Racket" and some of "The Banana Wars" titles about the Cabots, the Paines, the Drapers, the brothers Dulles, the Prestons, the Lodges and their 75 year series of Banana Wars ending with 25 Regime Changes in Banana Dictator Republics during the 20th Century.

    There will be a test next Friday on all of this for HR/CryOps. Which Helen Reyes are you? Send me a PM. I am hoping you are the 21 year old model from San Antonio, Texas with the JeLo bubble features but I am guessing you are not.

    I forget who Blavatsky was. Please refresh a fading memory.
    Last edited by John Bevilaqua; 12-12-2009 at 02:43 PM.

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    I forget who Blavatsky was. Please refresh a fading memory.
    Mme Elena Petrovna Blavatsky, born in Russia, was a founder of Theosophy.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Blavatsky
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    Who was Cordon Hull? Nevah hoid of 'im. You mean Gordon Hall, I hope, I hope, I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magda Hassan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Klimkowski View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John Bevilaqua View Post

    Here is another really strange irony which first attracted me to the OSJ about 10-15 years ago:

    The official extended title of the organization is:

    The Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, of (The Island of) Rhodes and of (The Island of) Malta,

    My name is John and I am now from Rhode Island and I was raised by a father who taught at several military academies. He was the personal Spanish tutor to "Wild Bill" Donovan of the "Georgetown Set" and he had to receive a "Secret" or maybe even "Top Secret" clearance in order to do this. My mother was involved in law enforcement and police intelligence work and she is a devout Roman Catholic and I once worked on a project for the Sovereign Bank of New England. Strange huh?

    Thank you for your comments.
    John - thank you for revealing those details of your childhood. Did you ever come across any wandering bishops? Peter Levenda has done excellent investigative work on them, also - in part - from personal contact with some of their, ahem, holy men.

    http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/for...&postcount=115

    http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/for...79&postcount=5
    Possible sightings of Wandering Bishops: there was that priest, whose name escapes me at the minute, that was on the same Mexico trip as Oswald too and Rev. Gerald Lyman Kenneth Smith.
    Edit: I remember now, he was Osborne but he also used another name. Don't they all?
    Ah yes, Albert C. Osborne from the A.C.C.C. American Council of Christian Churches. Just posted on him on Spartacus. Rode the Red River or something bus into Mexico next to Oswald from Laredo, Texas. He ran the Oaxchaca (sp?) schools for Assassins near Mexico City covered by Dick Russell. Jan and Magda I am having trouble keeping up with your postings. I gotta take a break real soon. More later...

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