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    Yes. me too. I would like to know more about the source for that. I shall keep looking. I wouldn't put it past either of them though. I had something on the EF regarding the Finn. I'll see if I can dig that out too.
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    Yes. Me too. I would like to know more about the source for that. I shall keep looking. I wouldn't put it past either of them though. I had something on the EF regarding the Finn. I'll see if I can dig that out too.
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

  3. #13

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    Investigation of Albanian Organ Trade Atrocities
    www.de-construct.net - October 1, 2008

    Bodies of Kosovo Serbs whose vital organs were extracted for sale were thrown into the shaft of a deserted mine “Deva” in Albania, on the border with Serbia, Press Online reports.

    According to the Serbian media, remains of several hundred Kosovo Serbs whose organs were first taken out, and who are still listed as missing, were thrown into the mineshaft in northern Albania, on the border with Serbia.

    Albanian KLA (UCK) terrorists have moved the remains of the killed Serbs to Deva Mine from the first mass grave they were buried in, near Djakovica. Serbian Office of the War Crimes Prosecutor has confirmed they have evidence at least one truck was used to transport some 70 bodies to northern Albania, where the remains of the victims were dumped into a deserted mineshaft.

    War crimes prosecutor Vladimir Vukcevic told media he will soon go to Albania, where he is expected to meet with the Albanian state prosecutor regarding the investigation Serbia launched in March about the kidnappings of Serbs and other non-Albanians in Kosovo and Metohija province, and harvesting their organs for sale.

    “We have learned by a mere coincidence that Deva Mine is most probably one of the biggest Serb graves in the region. Prosecutor Vukcevic and his team are going to Tirana at the start of October. We expect Albanians will enable us to verify all the information we have gathered during the investigation. It is very important that they allow us to visit all the locations suspected to have been used as concentration camps where Serbs kidnapped from Kosovo-Metohija were being held. Countless people were tortured in those camps, that is where their vital organs were being extracted for sale in the West, after which they were being killed and thrown into the mass graves. Some of those locations are in the region of Tropoje, Kukes, Bajram Curri and Deva Mine,” Serbia’s State Prosecution Office said.

    Russian State Prosecution Launch Their Own Investigation

    In the meantime, Russian Federation has also opened an investigation about the organ trade Albanian KLA was conducting in Serbian Kosovo province and neighboring Albania since, according to the reports, Russian women were also among the kidnapped victims used for organ harvesting by the KLA terrorists.

    Russia’s Central Investigative Committee, a department of the Russian Federal Prosecution, had started verifying information gathered about the KLA kidnappings and murders of the Russian citizens in the period between 1999-2003. They are also verifying testimony by the Hague’s former chief prosecutor Carla Del Ponte, about some 300 Kosovo Serbs KLA had kidnapped and transported to Albania in 1999, to harvest their vital organs for sale. Carla Del Ponte wrote in her book Russian women, tricked by the Albanian mafia to come to Serbian province immediately after the war, as NATO troops marched in following the bombardment, were also in that group of 300 mostly Kosovo-Metohija Serbs.

    One of the influential Russian newspapers recently reported that Albanian mafia had used in this horrific way and killed at least 500 people, 50 of whom were Russian citizens.

    Investigation about the organ trade atrocities was opened in Serbia as soon as Carla Del Ponte’s book “The Hunt: Me and War Criminals” was published. In the book, Del Ponte testified that Kosovo Albanians have kidnapped and transported some 300 Kosovo-Metohija residents, mostly Serbs, to northern Albania after June 12, 1999, when NATO troops were deployed in Serbian province. According to De Ponte, kidnapped victims were held in storage depots and similar facilities in northern Albanian towns, such as Kukes and Tropoje. Young and healthy prisoners were regularly fed and were spared beatings and torture prior to being moved to places where their vital organs were extracted, like the basement of the yellow house near the town of Burrel, recently visited by the German Spiegel reporters.

    After their vital organs were removed, the victims were killed, while the harvested organs were transported to the West, for rich patients needing transplants, via a smaller airport near Tirana.

    Hashim Thaci Earned 4 Mill. off the Serb Vital Organs

    Hague tribunal witness K-144, who personally took part in these atrocities against, told investigators the sale of organs of the kidnapped victims went through Italy, that it was conducted under direct command of the terrorist KLA and also that the Albanian state leadership was aware of these atrocities and allowed the crimes to be committed on their territory, silently tolerating them.

    Eyewitness K-144 testified that in the group he was involved with, at least 300 kidneys and more than 100 of other vital organs of the imprisoned Serbs were sold. According to his testimony, the victims were being killed afterward and buried in the mass graves. K-144 claims that present Kosovo province “prime minister” Hashim Thaci, former KLA leader, had earned at least 4 million German Marks from the sale of the Serb organs.

    Czech Social Democrats Seek UN Investigation

    This testimony prompted former Czech Prime Minister Jirzi Paroubek to urge the Czech government to request the UN investigation of the macabre chain of Albanian crimes, which would also determine whether the current leader of Kosovo Albanians, Hashim Thaci, had profited off the organs extracted from Kosovo Serbs.

    Leader of the Czech Social Democratic Party Paroubek yesterday requested from Czech Foreign Minister Karel Schwarzenberg to seek investigation about the involvement of the Kosovo Albanian leaders in the sale of organs of the kidnapped Serbs and other non-Albanians.

    “I am deeply disturbed by this information”, Paroubek said yesterday at the press conference, reminding that the indications of such atrocious crimes have contributed to Czech Social Democrats’ categorical refusal to recognize imposed independence of the Serbian province.

    “At that time [of Czech recognition] the content of book by the Hague’s chief prosecutor Carla Del Ponte was known, suggesting that some of the present Kosovo officials, as former representatives of the terrorist organization of ‘Kosovo Liberation Army’, took part in the murders of the Serbian prisoners”, Paroubek said, assessing the decision about investigating this atrocity, recently described by the Swiss Tages-Anzeiger, should be reached at the current UN General Assembly session.

    Original URL: http://de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=3025
    Serbian: http://www.pressonline.rs/page/stori...5&sectionId=37
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    God, we live in a sick fucking world don't we.
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
    Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14

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    Default New information on Albanian organ harvesting and trafficking

    KLA Death Camps, on Land and Sea Former KLA fighter claims that kidnapped and imprisoned Kosovo Serbs had their organs extracted for sale not only in Albania, but also on the ships sailing through the international waters, as well as in Italy, North Africa and Middle East. In its latest edition, Belgrade weekly NIN carries statement of a mercenary and former member of the KLA (UCK, Kosovo Albanian terrorist formation) with initials I.T, who testified about transporting one group of captured Kosovo Serbs to Tirana and Durres in Albania where, with the help of “common” human traffickers, he transferred them to a ship which sailed out to international waters of Adriatic Sea. According to the witness, that is where surgeons, mainly from Western countries, “dismantled them to their constituent parts”, as the operation of extracting vital organs for sale was referred to by the KLA. This KLA member, whose name is known to NIN redaction and who is responsible for multiple kidnappings and murders committed in 1999, testified that he drove two waste disposal trucks from Kosovo through Paštrik. One carried the corpses of killed Kosovo Serbs, while in the second he transported the kidnapped Serbs who were still alive. They were first tortured and then killed in KLA death camps in Tropoje and Peshkopi, in Albania. The main individuals responsible for transfer of victims from southern Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohija, according to the witnesses, were Daut Haradinaj (Ramush Haradinaj’s brother), Sami Lushtaku and Jakup Krasniqi. One Albanian witness, who was imprisoned in the KLA camp Lapushnik, testified that Krasniqi and Hashim Thaçi (current “prime minister” of Kosovo province, appointed by the US-led NATO) directly participated in tortures in the camp, and are responsible for murders of the kidnapped Serbs imprisoned in Lapushnik. According to the witnesses, in organ harvesting and trade, KLA was also being helped by some mujahedeen with “good connections” in the Middle East hospitals. Some KLA members who participated in the removal of bodies of the killed Serbs from Kosovo, claimed that a number of captured Serb soldiers, after torture, were dismembered in Kukes, and their remains have long been buried in the Kukes city cemetery. Soon after the war, it was discovered some of the captured Yugoslav Army soldiers ended up on surgical tables in Valona (Vlore, Albania) hospitals, where their organs were harvested for the benefit of the rich buyers from Western Europe and Middle East states. Others were transported by ships to Italy and North Africa, where they were used in the same way, and the same harrowing fate befell Kosovo Serb civilians who were kidnapped in 1999, after Yugoslav Army withdrew and NATO took over the safety and governing of the Serbian province. Pound of Flesh According to data collected by NIN, Kosovo Albanian harvesting and trade of organs started in 1998, with kidnapping of Serbs from Belacevac mine, most of whom were killed in death camps where the mujahedeen were stationed, in suburbs of Kukes and Bajram Curri in Albania. Information about the mass graves on the mountain Cemernik, in southern Serbia, is of special interest, making this an important location, since it points to the organ traders’ route through Macedonia, toward Bulgaria, Turkey, Moldova and the Arabian Peninsula countries. One of the most morbid details the report reveals is information about some Kosovo Albanians who carried out their own kidney via this route, extracted in order to “repay debt” to certain KLA members with their own flesh. As the investigation run by Serbian War Crimes Prosecution progresses, the notorious “yellow house” of horrors in the town Burrel in north Albania has been reduced to only one sequence in a much bigger tragedy, being that the KLA had branched their organ harvesting “business”, spreading it to Bulgaria, Macedonia, Turkey, Middle East, Italy, Germany and Moldova, in addition to various locations in their native Albania. Furthermore, the number of victims who were used in this way and diminished to a status lower than the cattle is far greater than 300 victims mentioned in Carla Del Ponte’s book. The report reveals that Hague tribunal’s team of investigators which in February 2004 visited the yellow house — believed to be one of the places where the organ extraction surgeries were conducted — had found traces of blood not only in the basement and ground floor of the house, as it was published, but also on the upper floor. Moreover, they have found unmarked grave sites near the house. Apart from burying the remains of kidnapped Kosovo Serbs who had their vital organs extracted for sale in the vicinity of their training, prison and death camps, KLA was also hiding bodies of these victims by burying them with remains of their fighters, like at Qafa Prušit and Morina (both on border between Serbia and Albania), as well as in the village and city graveyards throughout Kosovo province and Albania.
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    But MSM's constant "discourse" is that the Serbs are the butchers and the Kosovans are poor, innocent victims... :mad:

    One can only imagine the level of coverage this horrendous story would be getting if the Serbs had slaughtered Kosovans to harvest and sell their organs.
    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

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    Default Krasniqi family

    For more on some of the charming Krasniqi family see this thread:
    http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/for...read.php?t=735
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    But MSM's constant "discourse" is that the Serbs are the butchers and the Kosovans are poor, innocent victims
    Well, yes. The role of the MSM is, to say the least, shameful. This whole criminal coup could not have happened with out their active collaboration and promotion. It was they who sold the world the Orwellian concept of a 'humanitarian war' which has been bought so eagerly by some on the 'left' such as Bernard Kouchner and the German 'Greens' and this concept has co-opted many women also. The left and women being some of the traditional anti-war groups.

    There has been NO historical context looking at the whole series of events in the break up of Yugoslavia. To do so would shed too much light on the real players and their history. Still with in living memory for too many. We are truly through the looking glass where black is white and white is black.

    Who rolled over and welcomed the Nazis in WW2? The Albanians and the Croats. They willingly leapt at the chance to have their own ethnic cleansing units in the German army and their own concentration camps. Serbs however over threw their own government when it tried to impose a ruler acceptable for the German Nazis. And they suffered for it. Nor did they give up Jews like others and the Orthodox church behaved far better than the Catholic Church in all that sorry crime.

    The only ethnic cleansing that has been going on was of Serbs though there were atrocities on all sides. Some more than others. Serbs now comprise the largest group of refugees in Europe having been ethnically cleansed from all the former Yugoslav states, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia Hertzegovina, Kosovo Metohija. The only place that remains multi-ethnic to any degree is Serbia. This too is over looked by the MSM.

    I recommend watching a video called Judgement. It is in our you tube channel. Made by a non-Serb, fwiw, it shows clearly the misrepresentation of the western media when it comes to reporting on this subject. There were two or more tv channels filming stories in a camp during the Bosnian war. But they created very different programmes when edited. This has yet to be addressed in the MSM also.

    Serbians have done nothing except try to keep their country together against outside forces and they are accused of all evil under the sun. Meanwhile real evil is going on and it is not covered by the MSM. Doctor Goebbels would be so proud of the MSM and his heirs definitely are.
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    [QUOTE=Magda Hassan;3625]
    Nor did they give up Jews like others and the Orthodox church behaved far better than the Catholic Church in all that sorry crime.
    It is an indisputable fact that in Yugoslavia during and post WWII, the Catholic Church behaved appallingly. Some priests were worse than the Nazis themselves, espeially those in the Franciscan Order (imo of course :reddy. And, of course, we need to remember that the post war Ratlines that saw tens of thousands of wanted Nazi war criminals to freedom around the globe was managed and operated by the Vatican courtesy of Bishops Hudal and Draganovic.

    There are arguments put forward that that those at high levels in the Vatican remained unaware that these two Bishops were running the Ratlines and had not sanctioned it. Utter bull of course, because Draganovic reported to Bishop Giovanni Montini, who was in charge of "extraordinary affairs" for the Secretariat of State. Montini later became Pope Paul VI.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratline...an_involvement

    Some evidence that Montini was aware that a ratline investigation was involved has come out recently in a San Francisco courtroom where a class action suit of holocaust survivors against the Vatican Bank is currently underway. One witness in the trial is William Gowen, a former US Army intelligence agent stationed in Rome in the years after the war, charged with investigating the Draganovi? ratline. Gowen's testimony has not been officially published, but a copy was obtained by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz which printed an article in January 2006 accusing Montini based on Gowen's evidence [21]. According to the Haaretz article:

    "I personally investigated Draganovic - who told me he was reporting to Montini", emphasized Gowen. Gowen related that at a certain stage Montini learned, apparently from the head of the OSS unit in Rome, James Angleton, who nurtured relations with Montini and the Vatican, of the investigation Gowen's unit was conducting. Montini complained about Gowen to his superiors and accused him of having violated the Vatican's immunity by having entered church buildings, such as the Croatian college, and conducting searches there. The aim of the complaint was to interfere with the investigation. In his testimony, Gowen also stated that Draganovic helped the Ustashe launder the stolen treasure with the help of the Vatican Bank: This money was used to fund its religious activities, but also to fund the escape of Ustashe leaders on the Rat Line.[21]
    Oddly enough I was a Consultant for the two attorneys who initiated the class action lawsuit against the Vatican bank, the IOR, in the San Francisco court referenced above. What they wanted was access to the IOR records.

    This truly terrified the Vatican and the prospect that the Judge would rule for discovery and that they would have to turn over their records had them caressing their rosaries quicker than a banker could pull a crap asset out of a top hat. So they had a high powered and truly well connected Italian lawyer write cause why this should not be permitted. I was asked to write a rebuttal to his argument and since he argued - in the same document - that a) one of the functions of the IOR was to pay pensions to Vatican staff, and b) IOR records were destroyed after 10 years, it wasn't all that difficult to show his argument to be fatuous.

    But the Judge was never able to make an independent decision because the Vatican issued a diplomatic protest note to the US State Department and the class action suit has been in the doldrums ever since (so far as I know anyway) because the Judge ruled it was a political matter and not in the province of the court.

    Kay serah...
    Last edited by David Guyatt; 02-06-2009 at 11:30 AM.
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
    Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14

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    Magda & David - excellent posts.

    The European Left has fallen hook, line and sinker for the "demonic Serb" agenda. It's especially disgraceful amongst groups such as the German Greens, because these supposedly "anti-Nazi" liberal Germans have completely forgotten the lessons of history.

    I've had numerous arguments over the years with those who quite ludicrously try to equate the actions of Serb Chetniks in WW2 with the Nazi-collaborating Croatian Ustaša. The simple fact that the Communist, Tito, was a Croatian seems enough for many on the left to assume, quite wrongly, that the Croats are the Balkan angels.

    David - fascinating material on Draganovic, Montini and the Vatican.

    Milliband's oft-repeated claim that Kosovo is a "unique case" in European history justifying a unilateral declaration of independence is one of the stupidest ever made by a British politician.

    Although watching him genuflect to the Americans, maybe he's simply awaiting his future payday as a "consultant" to the drug & gun smugglers who run Camp Bondsteel....
    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

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