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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawn Meredith View Post
    She probably sells tobocco products. I have a cousin in Nova Scotia who sells tobacco products and he says all this same bs.

    I too find the timing of this person very suspect.

    If it is not "Colby" it is someone of the same mindset.

    Why would this entity even want to post on this forum? Pro tobacco talk hardly fits
    into any definition of "deep political" thought. In fact it is really advertisement; commercial speech.

    Stating that smoking tobacco is not unhealthy is akin to saying that
    drinking poison is beneficial. They called cigs "coffin nails" when I was a kid.

    There is a good reason for that.

    Say goodnight Gracie.

    Dawn
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    Dawn, I agree the timing stretches credulity of coincidence into the realm of conspiracy [sssshhhh!] the word that dare not raise its ugly name and implications.......!
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    There seems to be a wide trail on the internet forums where she has been to push her spurious tobacco/smokers rights and her subsequent ejection from those various forums. Curiously, there is a company on the net called Carol Thompson Cosmetics of Madison, Wisconsin who advises not to smoke in order to age gracefully. So there are limits to smoking it seems. I wonder if that is the same Carol Thompson of Madison, Wisconsin that we had here for a bit? I suppose the story varies depending on what product is being sold.

    I don't know why smokers find it so hard to come to terms with the fact that it is their choice for them to smoke but they can't subject others to their smoking. They are depriving others of their rights to fresh air and forcing something unwanted on them. This is not the same if one uses heroin or any other drug of choice where it is a purely personal effect.

    The DPF is not a venue to indulge in monomania about smoker's rights.
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    A study undertaken by the British University of Bath and released last month claims to demonstrate that tobacco giants Philip Morris and British American Tobacco are successfully influencing Czech policy makers. The study suggests that lobbying efforts targeted at top officials have resulted in tax structures that favour their brands. The study, which was led by the University of Bath's Risako Shirane and Professor Anna Gilmore, notes that the Czech Republic is also the only European Union Member State to not yet have approved a World Health Organization Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, adding "tobacco control has remained extremely weak in the Czech Republic, with the country's policies recently being ranked the fourth least effective in Europe." Meanwhile, analysing the report, news site IHned.cz pointed to a recent decision by Finance Minister Miroslav Kalousek to raise duties on cheap cigarettes by five crowns, while the more expensive cigarettes produced by tobacco giants such as Philip Morris, were only increased in price by two crowns. Responding to the accusations, Philip Morris said that governments were entirely free to choose how they legislate.
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    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
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    Big Tobacco Lives....

    Sadly.

    And hasn't changed its, ahem, spots...

    Health groups dismayed by news 'big tobacco' funded rightwing thinktanks

    The Adam Smith Institute and the Institute of Economic Affairs received money from cigarette firms, it has been revealed



    Jamie Doward
    The Observer, Saturday 1 June 2013 22.36 BST
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    ‘Big tobacco’ funded rightwing thinktanks
    Ukip has positioned itself firmly on the side of smokers. Photograph: Peter Macdiarmid/Getty Images

    Two of Britain's leading free-market thinktanks have been criticised for taking money from "big tobacco". The Adam Smith Institute (ASI) and the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA) have received tens of thousands of pounds in funding from leading tobacco companies.

    Their admissions have dismayed health groups, which question the degree to which both organisations have influenced government thinking, especially on plain packaging for cigarettes. It also highlights the entrenched links between "big tobacco" and the libertarian strand of British politics that has been strengthened by the recent rise of Ukip, a party that has positioned itself firmly on the side of smokers.

    Both thinktanks have criticised plans to force retailers to sell cigarettes in unbranded cartons, an initiative that cancer charities claim will curb smoking among the young, but which was recently abandoned by the government. They have also criticised anti-tobacco measures such as the ban on smoking in pubs, arguing that they represent an attack on civil liberties.

    However, news that they have been receiving tobacco money has raised questions about whether World Health Organisation (WHO) guidelines governing transparency on tobacco funding are being breached. British American Tobacco, the company behind brands such as Lucky Strike and Dunhill, has confirmed that in 2011 it gave the IEA £10,000, plus £1,000 in event sponsorship. Last year it donated a further £20,000 to the institute.

    The ASI confirmed that 3% of its funding came from tobacco firms, although it declined to reveal how much. It said that it had a policy of capping private donations, although a spokesman declined to reveal the level of the cap.

    However, company accounts reveal that Adam Smith Services Ltd had an income of just under £750,000 in 2011, the latest year available, which suggests that it received around £24,000 from "big tobacco".

    "At the current time, with a centre-right government, thinktanks which represent the libertarian right wing like the IEA and ASI are crucial players in the development of public policy," said Deborah Arnott, chief executive of smoking-related health charity Ash.

    "The government needs to take note that tobacco industry funding of such organisations completely undermines the credibility of their opposition to standard packaging," she added. "For the government to allow its policies to be influenced by tobacco-funded think-tanks would be a breach of its legal obligations under the WHO tobacco treaty."

    A spokesman for Marlboro manufacturer Philip Morris International said: "We confirm that we are a member of the Institute of Economic Affairs, but cannot provide you with any further details."

    Both JTI, which makes Camel, and Imperial, whose brands include Embassy, staunchly defended their donations to the thinktanks. "We believe the contributions of organisations like the ASI and the IEA are very valuable in an open and free society. We respect their work and share their views on many issues," said a spokesman for Imperial.

    In a statement JTI said: "We work with the Institute of Economic Affairs and the Adam Smith Institute as their economic and behavioural expertise help us better understand which tobacco regulation measures will work and which will not."

    For years critics of the tobacco industry have questioned whether the two thinktanks receive funding from cigarette companies. Tobacco Tactics, part of the Tobacco Control Research Group at the University of Bath, notes that both thinktanks took part in a series of debates organised by the pro-tobacco pressure group Forest in June 2011. It also reported that in March 2011 Eamonn Butler, the ASI's director, was one of a number of signatories to a letter to the Daily Telegraph attacking the government's position on tobacco control.

    The ASI was part of a coalition that sought to overturn the smoking ban in pubs and published a report written by a pro-smoking blogger attacking the introduction of plain packaging with "no solid evidence of its efficacy or unintended consequences".

    The IEA's director, Mark Littlewood, has called the plan to introduce plain packaging, the "latest ludicrous move in the unending, ceaseless, bullying war against those who choose to produce and consume tobacco".

    Defence of the tobacco industry by Littlewood, who is an independent business adviser to the government, prompted questions to be asked of the coalition.

    The business secretary, Vince Cable, was forced to rebut claims that Littlewood was open to a charge of a conflict of interest, saying he had no role in tobacco-related matters.

    The IEA, which did not respond to requests for comment, has never confirmed whether it receives tobacco money. "If the IEA really believes its policies are completely independent from its funding, it should have the courage of its convictions and be honest about where it gets its money from," Arnott said.



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